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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 09 January 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150108
Seen
Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Carlos Laufer, Deirdre Lee, Eric Kauz, Eric Stephan, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Steven Adler, Sumit Purohit, Yaso Córdova
Guests
Newton Calegari
Scribe
Eric Stephan
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19 link
Topics
12:57:27 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-dwbp-irc

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12:57:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351

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12:57:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP

12:57:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

12:57:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:32 <trackbot> Date: 09 January 2015
12:58:02 <deirdrelee> RSSAgent, make logs public

Deirdre Lee: RSSAgent, make logs public

13:54:09 <yaso> Guest: Newton Calegari
13:58:16 <hadleybeeman> Hello :)

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Hadley Beeman: Hello :)

13:58:25 <deirdrelee> hi

Deirdre Lee: hi

13:58:34 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who's here?

13:58:34 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I don't know what conference this is

13:58:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

13:58:55 <deirdrelee> zakim, this will be dwbp

Deirdre Lee: zakim, this will be dwbp

13:58:55 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started

13:58:57 <yaso> Hi Deirdre

Yaso Córdova: Hi Deirdre

13:59:03 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who's here?

13:59:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller]

13:59:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

13:59:12 <deirdrelee> zakim, ipcaller is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, ipcaller is me

13:59:12 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it

13:59:32 <deirdrelee> Hi Yaso

Deirdre Lee: Hi Yaso

14:00:45 <Zakim> + +1.510.384.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.384.aaaa

14:00:49 <Zakim> +yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso

14:00:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:01:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

14:01:07 <antoine> zakim, IPCaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPCaller is me

14:01:07 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it

14:01:12 <phila> zakim, ipcaller.a is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller.a is me

14:01:12 <Zakim> +phila; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +phila; got it

14:01:29 <yaso> I’m dialing!

Yaso Córdova: I’m dialing!

14:01:39 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.554.aabb

14:01:58 <Zakim> + +1.617.646.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.646.aacc

14:02:01 <ericstephan> zakim, I am +1.509

Eric Stephan: zakim, I am +1.509

14:02:02 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it

14:02:37 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who's here?

14:02:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc

14:02:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, ericstephan, antoine, yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, ericstephan, antoine, yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

14:03:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:03:37 <laufer> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Carlos Laufer: Zakim, IPcaller is me

14:03:37 <Zakim> +laufer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it

14:03:41 <ericstephan> 3 people from the US Pacific Time woo hoo!

Eric Stephan: 3 people from the US Pacific Time woo hoo!

14:03:41 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee

14:04:11 <SumitPurohit> Happy New Year.....

Sumit Purohit: Happy New Year.....

14:04:16 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

14:04:22 <Zakim> + +39.349.096.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +39.349.096.aadd

14:04:47 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

14:04:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> zakim, +39.349.096.aadd is me

Riccardo Albertoni: zakim, +39.349.096.aadd is me

14:04:49 <Zakim> +riccardoAlbertoni; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +riccardoAlbertoni; got it

14:05:04 <MTCarrasco> zakim, +??P27 is me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, +??P27 is me

14:05:04 <Zakim> sorry, MTCarrasco, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, MTCarrasco, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'

14:05:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> Hi to all, happy 2015 ..

Riccardo Albertoni: Hi to all, happy 2015 ..

14:05:33 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

14:05:33 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

14:05:37 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P27 is me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, ??P27 is me

14:05:37 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MTCarrasco; got it

14:06:47 <Zakim> + +1.609.557.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.557.aaee

14:06:58 <ericstephan> "zakim" took out the chair from under us

Eric Stephan: "zakim" took out the chair from under us

14:07:01 <MTCarrasco> zakim, mute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, mute me

14:07:01 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco should now be muted

14:07:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:07:24 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

14:07:24 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it

14:07:42 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here?

Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, who is here?

14:07:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc, laufer (muted), HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco (muted), +1.609.557.aaee,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc, laufer (muted), HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco (muted), +1.609.557.aaee,

14:07:46 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BernadetteLoscio

14:07:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see newton, deirdrelee_, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, ericstephan, BernadetteLoscio, gatemezi, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, antoine, yaso, Zakim,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see newton, deirdrelee_, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, ericstephan, BernadetteLoscio, gatemezi, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, antoine, yaso, Zakim,

14:07:46 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

14:07:55 <annette_g> +1.510 is me

Annette Greiner: +1.510 is me

14:08:01 <deirdrelee_> sorry, wifi crashed...

Deirdre Lee: sorry, wifi crashed...

14:08:04 <deirdrelee_> back in a sec

Deirdre Lee: back in a sec

14:08:06 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aaee is me

Eric Kauz: zakim, aaee is me

14:08:06 <Zakim> +Eric_Kauz; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Eric_Kauz; got it

14:08:16 <deirdrelee_> in the meantime,we need a scribe..

Deirdre Lee: in the meantime,we need a scribe..

14:08:19 <hadleybeeman> no worries, deirdrelee_. Sorry you're having trouble!

Hadley Beeman: no worries, deirdrelee_. Sorry you're having trouble!

14:08:24 <annette_g> Zakim, aaaa is me

Annette Greiner: Zakim, aaaa is me

14:08:24 <Zakim> +annette_g; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +annette_g; got it

14:08:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:09:04 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is deirdrelee

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is deirdrelee

14:09:04 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it

14:09:52 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim

Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim

14:09:52 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BernadetteLoscio

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BernadetteLoscio

14:10:12 <deirdrelee_> zakim, pick a victim

Deirdre Lee: zakim, pick a victim

14:10:12 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ericstephan

14:10:25 <ericstephan> I am more of a scribble than a scribe but ok

Eric Stephan: I am more of a scribble than a scribe but ok

14:10:37 <phila> scribe: ericstephan

(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)

14:10:44 <deirdrelee_> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150108
14:11:29 <ericstephan> deirdre:  Working on the bp document and the aim is to get the bp document out by the end of the month.

Deirdre Lee: Working on the bp document and the aim is to get the bp document out by the end of the month.

14:11:35 <phila> q+ to talk about schedule

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about schedule

14:11:41 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

14:11:57 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

14:11:57 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about schedule

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about schedule

14:11:58 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  just to follow the agenda we go back to the minutes..phil?

Deirdre Lee: just to follow the agenda we go back to the minutes..phil?

14:12:47 <ericstephan> phila:  From an outside perspective we have not been productive.  We really need the document done ready for review next week.

Phil Archer: From an outside perspective we have not been productive. We really need the document done ready for review next week.

14:13:01 <ericstephan> phila:  Without publication we could be closed down

Phil Archer: Without publication we could be closed down

14:13:26 <deirdrelee_> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19

Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19

14:13:26 <ericstephan> phila:  We are under scrutiny because the publication processs takes a bit

Phil Archer: We are under scrutiny because the publication processs takes a bit

14:14:06 <phila> proposed: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19

PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19

14:14:10 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

14:14:16 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

14:14:16 <deirdrelee_> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:14:17 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

14:14:19 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:14:20 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

14:14:21 <ericstephan> +1

+1

14:14:24 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

14:14:26 <Zakim> -??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P34

14:14:27 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

14:14:28 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

14:14:38 <laufer> 0 (was not here)

Carlos Laufer: 0 (was not here)

14:14:39 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:14:43 <deirdrelee_> resolved: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19

RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19

14:14:54 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

14:15:04 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, P34 is me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, P34 is me

14:15:04 <Zakim> sorry, CarlosIglesias, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, CarlosIglesias, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'

14:15:11 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P34 is me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P34 is me

14:15:11 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it

14:16:07 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  UCR document is still being worked on and checked into gihub by today.

Deirdre Lee: UCR document is still being worked on and checked into gihub by today.

14:16:22 <deirdrelee_> Topic: best practice document

1. best practice document

14:16:31 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html BP Doc today

Phil Archer: -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html BP Doc today

14:17:06 <ericstephan> bernadette:  This week we sent an updated version of the document and included some best practices, created from the use case document.  The idea is that these requirements will be reflected in the bp

Bernadette Farias Loscio: This week we sent an updated version of the document and included some best practices, created from the use case document. The idea is that these requirements will be reflected in the bp

14:17:48 <ericstephan> bernadette:  Now we have in the best practice summary 25 best practices, however they are not complete.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Now we have in the best practice summary 25 best practices, however they are not complete.

14:18:35 <ericstephan> bernadette:  For example in data quality there are some grey areas where it isn't clear whether the requirement is for a bp or for the data quality vocabulary

Bernadette Farias Loscio: For example in data quality there are some grey areas where it isn't clear whether the requirement is for a bp or for the data quality vocabulary

14:19:13 <ericstephan> bernadette:  Also sent out a request for contributors, we the editors can't write it all.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Also sent out a request for contributors, we the editors can't write it all.

14:19:28 <deirdrelee_> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:19:54 <deirdrelee_> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:19:55 <ericstephan> bernadette: We put up a wiki page in the email sent yesterday.  I think we made some progress.  We have a lot to do.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We put up a wiki page in the email sent yesterday. I think we made some progress. We have a lot to do.

14:20:47 <ericstephan> bernadette:  We can choose not to work on all of the challenges identified in the use case document.  In section 4 we have a list of the challenges and each challenge will have a list of bp.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We can choose not to work on all of the challenges identified in the use case document. In section 4 we have a list of the challenges and each challenge will have a list of bp.

14:21:29 <ericstephan> bernadette:  we need help in the challenges and we need contributors for each section.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need help in the challenges and we need contributors for each section.

14:22:11 <ericstephan> bernadette:  Thank you for creating the issues that I included in the document.  Thanks @phila

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thank you for creating the issues that I included in the document. Thanks @phila

14:22:47 <ericstephan> bernadette:  I'd like to hear your opinion about focusing on some challenges and what can we do for people to contribute.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like to hear your opinion about focusing on some challenges and what can we do for people to contribute.

14:23:17 <deirdrelee_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices

Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices

14:23:34 <antoine> deirdrelee_++ I am a contributor and I have no idea any more how all this is handled

Antoine Isaac: deirdrelee_++ I am a contributor and I have no idea any more how all this is handled

14:23:37 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  can we start with the contributors in the bp.  How does this relate to the original people assigned to these sections?

Deirdre Lee: can we start with the contributors in the bp. How does this relate to the original people assigned to these sections?

14:23:51 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

14:24:18 <ericstephan> bernadette:  It would be great for the people originally assigned to contribute, we just need people to write.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It would be great for the people originally assigned to contribute, we just need people to write.

14:24:58 <deirdrelee_> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

14:25:26 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  Should we run through the list of original contributors and see their commitment?

Deirdre Lee: Should we run through the list of original contributors and see their commitment?

14:26:17 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  We have 13 people on the call and 13 sections.

Deirdre Lee: We have 13 people on the call and 13 sections.

14:26:22 <ericstephan> q+

q+

14:27:59 <phila> ericstephan: I'd be happy to contact some of the original contributors and try and encourage them to make good on their promise (paraphrase)

Eric Stephan: I'd be happy to contact some of the original contributors and try and encourage them to make good on their promise (paraphrase) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:28:00 <MTCarrasco> I apply to works on http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataIdentification

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I apply to works on http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataIdentification

14:30:33 <ericstephan> annette_g:  data versioning and data formats

Annette Greiner: data versioning and data formats

14:30:42 <ericstephan> erica_kauz:  data formats

Eric Kauz: data formats

14:30:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> I can try to write something rather general on data quality, anyone can join me?

Riccardo Albertoni: I can try to write something rather general on data quality, anyone can join me?

14:30:57 <gatemezi> I can also work on bp #11, #13 or #14.

Ghislain Atemezing: I can also work on bp #11, #13 or #14.

14:31:31 <gatemezi> ..of course not all, if some can join me

Ghislain Atemezing: ..of course not all, if some can join me

14:31:52 <ericstephan> antoine:  data quality activities have been postponed for the time being....

Antoine Isaac: data quality activities have been postponed for the time being....

14:32:00 <SumitPurohit> I initially worked on Data Format with Eric K, i can continue that

Sumit Purohit: I initially worked on Data Format with Eric K, i can continue that

14:32:27 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  Is there some plan around data quality, can we make some efforts to report back next week?

Deirdre Lee: Is there some plan around data quality, can we make some efforts to report back next week?

14:32:41 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion about the vocabs

Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion about the vocabs

14:32:54 <ericstephan> antoine:  I want to make sure this is independent of the vocabulary for now.

Antoine Isaac: I want to make sure this is independent of the vocabulary for now.

14:33:01 <hadleybeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

14:33:05 <hadleybeeman> ack phil

Hadley Beeman: ack phil

14:33:05 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion about the vocabs

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion about the vocabs

14:33:59 <ericstephan> phila:  We aren't getting the input that we need to make progress on the vocabularies.  We perhaps need to get real world people to say I would use...we might need to rethink this...

Phil Archer: We aren't getting the input that we need to make progress on the vocabularies. We perhaps need to get real world people to say I would use...we might need to rethink this...

14:34:13 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

14:34:18 <ericstephan> phila:  This is after the bp working draft

Phil Archer: This is after the bp working draft

14:34:21 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

14:34:59 <ericstephan> phila:  A working draft can have open issues.  My concern is that the document is not quite ready.  We need more bp written.

Phil Archer: A working draft can have open issues. My concern is that the document is not quite ready. We need more bp written.

14:35:29 <MTCarrasco> phila: not ready +1  it needs a lot of work

Phil Archer: not ready +1 it needs a lot of work [ Scribe Assist by Manuel Carrasco Benitez ]

14:35:35 <Zakim> +Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve

14:35:38 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:35:51 <adler1> sorry for being late

Steven Adler: sorry for being late

14:35:59 <ericstephan> antoine:  I could continue contributing toward vocabulary section I don't know who is working on this section

Antoine Isaac: I could continue contributing toward vocabulary section I don't know who is working on this section

14:36:46 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:36:59 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  Would it make sense to put the other people you are aware of contributing and work with them to get more input?

Deirdre Lee: Would it make sense to put the other people you are aware of contributing and work with them to get more input?

14:37:16 <BernadetteLoscio> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/bp.html

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/bp.html

14:38:10 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  eric_kauz do you still want to be on the data vocabulary?

Deirdre Lee: eric_kauz do you still want to be on the data vocabulary?

14:38:26 <ericstephan> eric_kauz:  that would be fine

Eric Kauz: that would be fine

14:38:34 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

14:38:38 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio

14:39:07 <ericstephan> bernadette:  What we need to do is complete the BP for the vocabulary.  Igy made some progress, but the BP is not complete.  Review the text that is that and complete the BP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: What we need to do is complete the BP for the vocabulary. Igy made some progress, but the BP is not complete. Review the text that is that and complete the BP

14:39:33 <ericstephan> antoine:  Do you know if Iggy is still working on this section?

Antoine Isaac: Do you know if Iggy is still working on this section?

14:39:47 <ericstephan> bernadette:  I don't think Iggy is working on this.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I don't think Iggy is working on this.

14:39:58 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

14:40:47 <hadleybeeman> ping rhiaro_

Hadley Beeman: ping rhiaro_

14:40:48 <MTCarrasco> I can also work on Granularity

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I can also work on Granularity

14:41:15 <ericstephan> CarlosIglesias:  I think I am already on a couple of sections so I will work on those.

Carlos Iglesias: I think I am already on a couple of sections so I will work on those.

14:41:21 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio

Zakim IRC Bot: -BernadetteLoscio

14:41:26 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is noisy?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is noisy?

14:41:37 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (5%), CarlosIglesias (79%)

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (5%), CarlosIglesias (79%)

14:41:40 <riccardoAlbertoni>  I can try with Best Practice 14: Provide Data License ..

Riccardo Albertoni: I can try with Best Practice 14: Provide Data License ..

14:41:44 <ericstephan> Deirdrelee:  Can you add you name to list bernadette just created?

Deirdre Lee: Can you add you name to list bernadette just created?

14:41:50 <deirdrelee_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Call_for_BP_Contributors

Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Call_for_BP_Contributors

14:43:45 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  moving back to the actual document and bernadette do you want to go through the document and close the issues as we go

Deirdre Lee: moving back to the actual document and bernadette do you want to go through the document and close the issues as we go

14:43:51 <deirdrelee_> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

Deirdre Lee: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

14:44:26 <ericstephan> phila:  bernadette can you take us through the issues and close ones that we know are already resolved?

Phil Archer: bernadette can you take us through the issues and close ones that we know are already resolved?

14:44:46 <phila> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

Phil Archer: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html

14:45:09 <phila> issue-100?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-100?

14:45:11 <trackbot> issue-100 -- organising BPs around Life Cycle -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-100 -- organising BPs around Life Cycle -- open

14:45:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/100

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/100

14:45:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:45:56 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

14:45:56 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it

14:46:05 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  newton  lead us thru discussion issues on  the BP document...?  Or bernadette?

Deirdre Lee: newton lead us thru discussion issues on the BP document...? Or bernadette?

14:46:50 <ericstephan> newton:  bernadette will know more about the issues because I have been working thru another part of the document.

Newton Calegari: bernadette will know more about the issues because I have been working thru another part of the document.

14:48:25 <ericstephan> bernadette:  organizing bp around the lifecycle....I am not sure if there is a bp for data creation, is it possible to identify if this makes sense for data publication.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: organizing bp around the lifecycle....I am not sure if there is a bp for data creation, is it possible to identify if this makes sense for data publication.

14:48:45 <deirdrelee_> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:48:51 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

14:49:13 <phila> ack deirdrelee_

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee_

14:49:34 <phila> q+ to show a poss apporach

Phil Archer: q+ to show a poss apporach

14:49:41 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me

14:49:41 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted

14:49:43 <deirdrelee_> ack deirdrelee_

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee_

14:49:48 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  bp for lifecycle can be done after the bp have been followed.  After the bp have been written, here is how the bp can be applied in the context of lifecycle.

Deirdre Lee: bp for lifecycle can be done after the bp have been followed. After the bp have been written, here is how the bp can be applied in the context of lifecycle.

14:50:40 <phila> ack laufer

Phil Archer: ack laufer

14:50:46 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

14:50:46 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to show a poss apporach

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to show a poss apporach

14:50:50 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/

14:50:52 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

14:50:52 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

14:50:57 <deirdrelee_> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

14:51:09 <ericstephan> laufer:  In the example of metadata, we have one phase of the lifecycle.  I agree with bernadette.

Carlos Laufer: In the example of metadata, we have one phase of the lifecycle. I agree with bernadette.

14:51:54 <ericstephan> phila:  maybe the document can be organized by challenge.  It might relate to several one one life cycle stages.

Phil Archer: maybe the document can be organized by challenge. It might relate to several one one life cycle stages.

14:52:26 <phila> Close Issue-100, resolve structure once more BPs have been written

Phil Archer: Close ISSUE-100, resolve structure once more BPs have been written

14:52:32 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/101

http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/101

14:52:49 <ericstephan> phila:  editors choice on the issue

Phil Archer: editors choice on the issue

14:52:56 <phila> issue-101, close

Phil Archer: ISSUE-101, close

14:53:06 <phila> trackbot, close issue-100

Phil Archer: trackbot, close ISSUE-100

14:53:06 <trackbot> Closed issue-100.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-100.

14:53:16 <deirdrelee_> issue-102?

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-102?

14:53:16 <trackbot> issue-102 -- Uuse Cases-BP links -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-102 -- Uuse Cases-BP links -- open

14:53:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102

14:53:17 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102

Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102

14:53:20 <phila> trackbot close issue-101 Editor's discretion

Phil Archer: trackbot close ISSUE-101 Editor's discretion

14:53:20 <trackbot> Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot close issue-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot close ISSUE-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

14:53:26 <phila> trackbot, close issue-101 Editor's discretion

Phil Archer: trackbot, close ISSUE-101 Editor's discretion

14:53:26 <trackbot> Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot, close issue-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot, close ISSUE-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

14:53:35 <phila> trackbot, close issue-101

Phil Archer: trackbot, close ISSUE-101

14:53:35 <trackbot> Closed issue-101.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-101.

14:53:53 <phila> trackbot, close issue-102

Phil Archer: trackbot, close ISSUE-102

14:53:53 <trackbot> Closed issue-102.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-102.

14:53:56 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  If no one else feels strongly about 102 we close that as well.

Deirdre Lee: If no one else feels strongly about 102 we close that as well.

14:54:00 <deirdrelee_> issue-103

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-103

14:54:00 <trackbot> issue-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open

14:54:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103

14:54:06 <phila> issue-103?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-103?

14:54:06 <trackbot> issue-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open

14:54:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103

14:54:06 <hadleybeeman> 102 also looks like an editors' decision

Hadley Beeman: 102 also looks like an editors' decision

14:54:53 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:55:40 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman:  does it help us explain anything else?  If it is just general then it might not be important to explain.

Hadley Beeman: does it help us explain anything else? If it is just general then it might not be important to explain.

14:56:07 <adler1> user is fine

Steven Adler: user is fine

14:56:18 <ericstephan> deirdrelee:  consistency in use of the terms is the most important thing to keep in mind.

Deirdre Lee: consistency in use of the terms is the most important thing to keep in mind.

14:56:38 <ericstephan> bernadette:  I agree, need to check this out.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree, need to check this out.

14:56:44 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:56:45 <adler1> consumer implies paying

Steven Adler: consumer implies paying

14:56:48 <hadleybeeman> ack me

Hadley Beeman: ack me

14:56:48 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

14:57:04 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me

14:57:04 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted

14:57:16 <ericstephan> phila:  I thought I heard Deirdre prefered user as opposed to consumer.  Something more commonly used.

Phil Archer: I thought I heard Deirdre prefered user as opposed to consumer. Something more commonly used.

14:57:23 <phila> PROPOSED: Data User is the term we will use unless there's a specific context that suggests otherwise

PROPOSED: Data User is the term we will use unless there's a specific context that suggests otherwise

14:57:29 <yaso> Agree that user is better

Yaso Córdova: Agree that user is better

14:57:31 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

14:57:42 <ericstephan> bernadette:  I'm not sure...

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure...

14:57:55 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

14:57:58 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

14:58:38 <hadleybeeman> q+ to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs

Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs

14:58:55 <deirdrelee_> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

14:58:58 <ericstephan> annette_g:  The word user can be confused with a data user versus end user.  Maybe the phrase data user would help.

Annette Greiner: The word user can be confused with a data user versus end user. Maybe the phrase data user would help.

14:59:30 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee

14:59:39 <ericstephan> laufer:  I think that user can be confusing.  I agree with Annette.  Data user and not just user alone.

Carlos Laufer: I think that user can be confusing. I agree with Annette. Data user and not just user alone.

14:59:48 <gatemezi> data user seems to be more generic, as it contains "end users", "developers", etc.

Ghislain Atemezing: data user seems to be more generic, as it contains "end users", "developers", etc.

14:59:49 <yaso> data user isn’t the same as the developer?

Yaso Córdova: data user isn’t the same as the developer?

15:00:01 <phila> ack hadleybeeman

Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman

15:00:01 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs

15:00:28 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

15:00:28 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

15:00:29 <deirdrelee_> darnit, call dropped and zakim won't let me back in

Deirdre Lee: darnit, call dropped and zakim won't let me back in

15:00:32 <phila> hadleybeeman: I see plusses and minuses to both consumer and user. Whatever term we use we should be consistent, or ot could be more confusing

Hadley Beeman: I see plusses and minuses to both consumer and user. Whatever term we use we should be consistent, or ot could be more confusing [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:00:37 <deirdrelee_> hadleybeeman, can you wrap up?

Deirdre Lee: hadleybeeman, can you wrap up?

15:01:08 <phila> hadleybeeman: If we were writing a narrative then a variety of terms is good but most people will read specs by jumping around, just hte bots they want, so uniformity is important

Hadley Beeman: If we were writing a narrative then a variety of terms is good but most people will read specs by jumping around, just hte bots they want, so uniformity is important [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:01:21 <ericstephan> hadley: I just wanted to say I see both + and - about either approach. Data user versus user.  To annette's approach about how we write.  If people just jump around reading parts of the bp document we want to ensure consistency

Hadley Beeman: I just wanted to say I see both + and - about either approach. Data user versus user. To annette's approach about how we write. If people just jump around reading parts of the bp document we want to ensure consistency

15:01:48 <gatemezi> +1 to Hadley

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to Hadley

15:02:01 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco

Zakim IRC Bot: -MTCarrasco

15:02:05 <laufer> bye all, nice wkd...

Carlos Laufer: bye all, nice wkd...

15:02:07 <Zakim> -Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steve

15:02:07 <yaso> Bye all!

Yaso Córdova: Bye all!

15:02:08 <Zakim> -antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine

15:02:11 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

15:02:12 <CarlosIglesias> byebye

Carlos Iglesias: byebye

15:02:12 <Zakim> -phila

Zakim IRC Bot: -phila

15:02:12 <adler1> ciao

Steven Adler: ciao

15:02:12 <MTCarrasco> Bye

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Bye

15:02:13 <Zakim> - +1.617.646.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.646.aacc

15:02:13 <Zakim> -annette_g

Zakim IRC Bot: -annette_g

15:02:14 <Zakim> -laufer

Zakim IRC Bot: -laufer

15:02:16 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio

Zakim IRC Bot: -BernadetteLoscio

15:02:16 <Zakim> -ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan

15:02:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye

Riccardo Albertoni: bye

15:02:21 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias

15:02:28 <phila> zakim, bye

Phil Archer: zakim, bye

15:02:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.617.646.aacc, ericstephan, laufer, HadleyBeeman,

Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.617.646.aacc, ericstephan, laufer, HadleyBeeman,

15:02:32 <Zakim> ... riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaee, BernadetteLoscio, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, CarlosIglesias, Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: ... riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaee, BernadetteLoscio, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, CarlosIglesias, Steve

15:02:36 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public

15:02:46 <ericstephan> hadley:  just to underscrore the schedule deirdre brought to our attention.  We need to make lots of progress this next week.

Hadley Beeman: just to underscrore the schedule deirdre brought to our attention. We need to make lots of progress this next week.

15:03:08 <ericstephan> sorry for being behind on the scribing.

sorry for being behind on the scribing.



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