12:57:27 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-dwbp-irc
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12:57:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
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12:57:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP ←
12:57:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
12:57:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:32 <trackbot> Date: 09 January 2015
12:58:02 <deirdrelee> RSSAgent, make logs public
Deirdre Lee: RSSAgent, make logs public ←
13:54:09 <yaso> Guest: Newton Calegari
13:58:16 <hadleybeeman> Hello :)
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Hadley Beeman: Hello :) ←
13:58:25 <deirdrelee> hi
Deirdre Lee: hi ←
13:58:34 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who's here? ←
13:58:34 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I don't know what conference this is ←
13:58:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot ←
13:58:55 <deirdrelee> zakim, this will be dwbp
Deirdre Lee: zakim, this will be dwbp ←
13:58:55 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started ←
13:58:57 <yaso> Hi Deirdre
Yaso Córdova: Hi Deirdre ←
13:59:03 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who's here? ←
13:59:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller] ←
13:59:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot ←
13:59:12 <deirdrelee> zakim, ipcaller is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
13:59:12 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
13:59:32 <deirdrelee> Hi Yaso
Deirdre Lee: Hi Yaso ←
14:00:45 <Zakim> + +1.510.384.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.384.aaaa ←
14:00:49 <Zakim> +yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso ←
14:00:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:01:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
14:01:07 <antoine> zakim, IPCaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
14:01:07 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
14:01:12 <phila> zakim, ipcaller.a is me
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller.a is me ←
14:01:12 <Zakim> +phila; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +phila; got it ←
14:01:29 <yaso> I’m dialing!
Yaso Córdova: I’m dialing! ←
14:01:39 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.554.aabb ←
14:01:58 <Zakim> + +1.617.646.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.646.aacc ←
14:02:01 <ericstephan> zakim, I am +1.509
Eric Stephan: zakim, I am +1.509 ←
14:02:02 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it ←
14:02:37 <deirdrelee> zakim, who's here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who's here? ←
14:02:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc ←
14:02:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, ericstephan, antoine, yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, ericstephan, antoine, yaso, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot ←
14:03:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:03:37 <laufer> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Carlos Laufer: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:03:37 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it ←
14:03:41 <ericstephan> 3 people from the US Pacific Time woo hoo!
Eric Stephan: 3 people from the US Pacific Time woo hoo! ←
14:03:41 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
14:04:11 <SumitPurohit> Happy New Year.....
Sumit Purohit: Happy New Year..... ←
14:04:16 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
14:04:22 <Zakim> + +39.349.096.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +39.349.096.aadd ←
14:04:47 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:04:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> zakim, +39.349.096.aadd is me
Riccardo Albertoni: zakim, +39.349.096.aadd is me ←
14:04:49 <Zakim> +riccardoAlbertoni; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +riccardoAlbertoni; got it ←
14:05:04 <MTCarrasco> zakim, +??P27 is me
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, +??P27 is me ←
14:05:04 <Zakim> sorry, MTCarrasco, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, MTCarrasco, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27' ←
14:05:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> Hi to all, happy 2015 ..
Riccardo Albertoni: Hi to all, happy 2015 .. ←
14:05:33 <laufer> zakim, mute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me ←
14:05:33 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←
14:05:37 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P27 is me
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, ??P27 is me ←
14:05:37 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MTCarrasco; got it ←
14:06:47 <Zakim> + +1.609.557.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.557.aaee ←
14:06:58 <ericstephan> "zakim" took out the chair from under us
Eric Stephan: "zakim" took out the chair from under us ←
14:07:01 <MTCarrasco> zakim, mute me
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, mute me ←
14:07:01 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco should now be muted ←
14:07:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:07:24 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio ←
14:07:24 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it ←
14:07:42 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here?
Ghislain Atemezing: Zakim, who is here? ←
14:07:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc, laufer (muted), HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco (muted), +1.609.557.aaee,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aacc, laufer (muted), HadleyBeeman, riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco (muted), +1.609.557.aaee, ←
14:07:46 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: ... BernadetteLoscio ←
14:07:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see newton, deirdrelee_, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, ericstephan, BernadetteLoscio, gatemezi, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, antoine, yaso, Zakim,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see newton, deirdrelee_, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, ericstephan, BernadetteLoscio, gatemezi, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, riccardoAlbertoni, laufer, antoine, yaso, Zakim, ←
14:07:46 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... RRSAgent, deirdrelee, phila, rhiaro_, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot ←
14:07:55 <annette_g> +1.510 is me
Annette Greiner: +1.510 is me ←
14:08:01 <deirdrelee_> sorry, wifi crashed...
Deirdre Lee: sorry, wifi crashed... ←
14:08:04 <deirdrelee_> back in a sec
Deirdre Lee: back in a sec ←
14:08:06 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aaee is me
Eric Kauz: zakim, aaee is me ←
14:08:06 <Zakim> +Eric_Kauz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Eric_Kauz; got it ←
14:08:16 <deirdrelee_> in the meantime,we need a scribe..
Deirdre Lee: in the meantime,we need a scribe.. ←
14:08:19 <hadleybeeman> no worries, deirdrelee_. Sorry you're having trouble!
Hadley Beeman: no worries, deirdrelee_. Sorry you're having trouble! ←
14:08:24 <annette_g> Zakim, aaaa is me
Annette Greiner: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:08:24 <Zakim> +annette_g; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +annette_g; got it ←
14:08:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:09:04 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is deirdrelee
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is deirdrelee ←
14:09:04 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
14:09:52 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim
Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim ←
14:09:52 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BernadetteLoscio ←
14:10:12 <deirdrelee_> zakim, pick a victim
Deirdre Lee: zakim, pick a victim ←
14:10:12 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ericstephan ←
14:10:25 <ericstephan> I am more of a scribble than a scribe but ok
Eric Stephan: I am more of a scribble than a scribe but ok ←
14:10:37 <phila> scribe: ericstephan
(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)
14:10:44 <deirdrelee_> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150108
14:11:29 <ericstephan> deirdre: Working on the bp document and the aim is to get the bp document out by the end of the month.
Deirdre Lee: Working on the bp document and the aim is to get the bp document out by the end of the month. ←
14:11:35 <phila> q+ to talk about schedule
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about schedule ←
14:11:41 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:11:57 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
14:11:57 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about schedule
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about schedule ←
14:11:58 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: just to follow the agenda we go back to the minutes..phil?
Deirdre Lee: just to follow the agenda we go back to the minutes..phil? ←
14:12:47 <ericstephan> phila: From an outside perspective we have not been productive. We really need the document done ready for review next week.
Phil Archer: From an outside perspective we have not been productive. We really need the document done ready for review next week. ←
14:13:01 <ericstephan> phila: Without publication we could be closed down
Phil Archer: Without publication we could be closed down ←
14:13:26 <deirdrelee_> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19 ←
14:13:26 <ericstephan> phila: We are under scrutiny because the publication processs takes a bit
Phil Archer: We are under scrutiny because the publication processs takes a bit ←
14:14:06 <phila> proposed: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19
PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19 ←
14:14:10 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
14:14:16 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
14:14:16 <deirdrelee_> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
14:14:17 <Eric_Kauz> +1
14:14:19 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:14:20 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
14:14:21 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
14:14:24 <MTCarrasco> +1
14:14:26 <Zakim> -??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P34 ←
14:14:27 <SumitPurohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
14:14:28 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
14:14:38 <laufer> 0 (was not here)
Carlos Laufer: 0 (was not here) ←
14:14:39 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:14:43 <deirdrelee_> resolved: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19
RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-19 ←
14:14:54 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
14:15:04 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, P34 is me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim, P34 is me ←
14:15:04 <Zakim> sorry, CarlosIglesias, I do not recognize a party named 'P34'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, CarlosIglesias, I do not recognize a party named 'P34' ←
14:15:11 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P34 is me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P34 is me ←
14:15:11 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←
14:16:07 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: UCR document is still being worked on and checked into gihub by today.
Deirdre Lee: UCR document is still being worked on and checked into gihub by today. ←
14:16:22 <deirdrelee_> Topic: best practice document
14:16:31 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html BP Doc today
Phil Archer: -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html BP Doc today ←
14:17:06 <ericstephan> bernadette: This week we sent an updated version of the document and included some best practices, created from the use case document. The idea is that these requirements will be reflected in the bp
Bernadette Farias Loscio: This week we sent an updated version of the document and included some best practices, created from the use case document. The idea is that these requirements will be reflected in the bp ←
14:17:48 <ericstephan> bernadette: Now we have in the best practice summary 25 best practices, however they are not complete.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Now we have in the best practice summary 25 best practices, however they are not complete. ←
14:18:35 <ericstephan> bernadette: For example in data quality there are some grey areas where it isn't clear whether the requirement is for a bp or for the data quality vocabulary
Bernadette Farias Loscio: For example in data quality there are some grey areas where it isn't clear whether the requirement is for a bp or for the data quality vocabulary ←
14:19:13 <ericstephan> bernadette: Also sent out a request for contributors, we the editors can't write it all.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Also sent out a request for contributors, we the editors can't write it all. ←
14:19:28 <deirdrelee_> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:19:54 <deirdrelee_> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:19:55 <ericstephan> bernadette: We put up a wiki page in the email sent yesterday. I think we made some progress. We have a lot to do.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We put up a wiki page in the email sent yesterday. I think we made some progress. We have a lot to do. ←
14:20:47 <ericstephan> bernadette: We can choose not to work on all of the challenges identified in the use case document. In section 4 we have a list of the challenges and each challenge will have a list of bp.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We can choose not to work on all of the challenges identified in the use case document. In section 4 we have a list of the challenges and each challenge will have a list of bp. ←
14:21:29 <ericstephan> bernadette: we need help in the challenges and we need contributors for each section.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need help in the challenges and we need contributors for each section. ←
14:22:11 <ericstephan> bernadette: Thank you for creating the issues that I included in the document. Thanks @phila
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Thank you for creating the issues that I included in the document. Thanks @phila ←
14:22:47 <ericstephan> bernadette: I'd like to hear your opinion about focusing on some challenges and what can we do for people to contribute.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like to hear your opinion about focusing on some challenges and what can we do for people to contribute. ←
14:23:17 <deirdrelee_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices ←
14:23:34 <antoine> deirdrelee_++ I am a contributor and I have no idea any more how all this is handled
Antoine Isaac: deirdrelee_++ I am a contributor and I have no idea any more how all this is handled ←
14:23:37 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: can we start with the contributors in the bp. How does this relate to the original people assigned to these sections?
Deirdre Lee: can we start with the contributors in the bp. How does this relate to the original people assigned to these sections? ←
14:23:51 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:24:18 <ericstephan> bernadette: It would be great for the people originally assigned to contribute, we just need people to write.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It would be great for the people originally assigned to contribute, we just need people to write. ←
14:24:58 <deirdrelee_> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
14:25:26 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: Should we run through the list of original contributors and see their commitment?
Deirdre Lee: Should we run through the list of original contributors and see their commitment? ←
14:26:17 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: We have 13 people on the call and 13 sections.
Deirdre Lee: We have 13 people on the call and 13 sections. ←
14:26:22 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
14:27:59 <phila> ericstephan: I'd be happy to contact some of the original contributors and try and encourage them to make good on their promise (paraphrase)
Eric Stephan: I'd be happy to contact some of the original contributors and try and encourage them to make good on their promise (paraphrase) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:28:00 <MTCarrasco> I apply to works on http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataIdentification
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I apply to works on http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataIdentification ←
14:30:33 <ericstephan> annette_g: data versioning and data formats
Annette Greiner: data versioning and data formats ←
14:30:42 <ericstephan> erica_kauz: data formats
14:30:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> I can try to write something rather general on data quality, anyone can join me?
Riccardo Albertoni: I can try to write something rather general on data quality, anyone can join me? ←
14:30:57 <gatemezi> I can also work on bp #11, #13 or #14.
Ghislain Atemezing: I can also work on bp #11, #13 or #14. ←
14:31:31 <gatemezi> ..of course not all, if some can join me
Ghislain Atemezing: ..of course not all, if some can join me ←
14:31:52 <ericstephan> antoine: data quality activities have been postponed for the time being....
Antoine Isaac: data quality activities have been postponed for the time being.... ←
14:32:00 <SumitPurohit> I initially worked on Data Format with Eric K, i can continue that
Sumit Purohit: I initially worked on Data Format with Eric K, i can continue that ←
14:32:27 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: Is there some plan around data quality, can we make some efforts to report back next week?
Deirdre Lee: Is there some plan around data quality, can we make some efforts to report back next week? ←
14:32:41 <phila> q+ to make a suggestion about the vocabs
Phil Archer: q+ to make a suggestion about the vocabs ←
14:32:54 <ericstephan> antoine: I want to make sure this is independent of the vocabulary for now.
Antoine Isaac: I want to make sure this is independent of the vocabulary for now. ←
14:33:01 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
14:33:05 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
14:33:05 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to make a suggestion about the vocabs
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to make a suggestion about the vocabs ←
14:33:59 <ericstephan> phila: We aren't getting the input that we need to make progress on the vocabularies. We perhaps need to get real world people to say I would use...we might need to rethink this...
Phil Archer: We aren't getting the input that we need to make progress on the vocabularies. We perhaps need to get real world people to say I would use...we might need to rethink this... ←
14:34:13 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
14:34:18 <ericstephan> phila: This is after the bp working draft
Phil Archer: This is after the bp working draft ←
14:34:21 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
14:34:59 <ericstephan> phila: A working draft can have open issues. My concern is that the document is not quite ready. We need more bp written.
Phil Archer: A working draft can have open issues. My concern is that the document is not quite ready. We need more bp written. ←
14:35:29 <MTCarrasco> phila: not ready +1 it needs a lot of work
Phil Archer: not ready +1 it needs a lot of work [ Scribe Assist by Manuel Carrasco Benitez ] ←
14:35:35 <Zakim> +Steve
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve ←
14:35:38 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:35:51 <adler1> sorry for being late
Steven Adler: sorry for being late ←
14:35:59 <ericstephan> antoine: I could continue contributing toward vocabulary section I don't know who is working on this section
Antoine Isaac: I could continue contributing toward vocabulary section I don't know who is working on this section ←
14:36:46 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
14:36:59 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: Would it make sense to put the other people you are aware of contributing and work with them to get more input?
Deirdre Lee: Would it make sense to put the other people you are aware of contributing and work with them to get more input? ←
14:37:16 <BernadetteLoscio> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/bp.html
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/gh-pages/bp.html ←
14:38:10 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: eric_kauz do you still want to be on the data vocabulary?
Deirdre Lee: eric_kauz do you still want to be on the data vocabulary? ←
14:38:26 <ericstephan> eric_kauz: that would be fine
Eric Kauz: that would be fine ←
14:38:34 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
14:38:38 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:39:07 <ericstephan> bernadette: What we need to do is complete the BP for the vocabulary. Igy made some progress, but the BP is not complete. Review the text that is that and complete the BP
Bernadette Farias Loscio: What we need to do is complete the BP for the vocabulary. Igy made some progress, but the BP is not complete. Review the text that is that and complete the BP ←
14:39:33 <ericstephan> antoine: Do you know if Iggy is still working on this section?
Antoine Isaac: Do you know if Iggy is still working on this section? ←
14:39:47 <ericstephan> bernadette: I don't think Iggy is working on this.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I don't think Iggy is working on this. ←
14:39:58 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
14:40:47 <hadleybeeman> ping rhiaro_
Hadley Beeman: ping rhiaro_ ←
14:40:48 <MTCarrasco> I can also work on Granularity
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I can also work on Granularity ←
14:41:15 <ericstephan> CarlosIglesias: I think I am already on a couple of sections so I will work on those.
Carlos Iglesias: I think I am already on a couple of sections so I will work on those. ←
14:41:21 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: -BernadetteLoscio ←
14:41:26 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is noisy?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is noisy? ←
14:41:37 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (5%), CarlosIglesias (79%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (5%), CarlosIglesias (79%) ←
14:41:40 <riccardoAlbertoni> I can try with Best Practice 14: Provide Data License ..
Riccardo Albertoni: I can try with Best Practice 14: Provide Data License .. ←
14:41:44 <ericstephan> Deirdrelee: Can you add you name to list bernadette just created?
Deirdre Lee: Can you add you name to list bernadette just created? ←
14:41:50 <deirdrelee_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Call_for_BP_Contributors
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Call_for_BP_Contributors ←
14:43:45 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: moving back to the actual document and bernadette do you want to go through the document and close the issues as we go
Deirdre Lee: moving back to the actual document and bernadette do you want to go through the document and close the issues as we go ←
14:43:51 <deirdrelee_> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
Deirdre Lee: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html ←
14:44:26 <ericstephan> phila: bernadette can you take us through the issues and close ones that we know are already resolved?
Phil Archer: bernadette can you take us through the issues and close ones that we know are already resolved? ←
14:44:46 <phila> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
Phil Archer: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html ←
14:45:09 <phila> issue-100?
14:45:11 <trackbot> issue-100 -- organising BPs around Life Cycle -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-100 -- organising BPs around Life Cycle -- open ←
14:45:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/100
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/100 ←
14:45:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:45:56 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio ←
14:45:56 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it ←
14:46:05 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: newton lead us thru discussion issues on the BP document...? Or bernadette?
Deirdre Lee: newton lead us thru discussion issues on the BP document...? Or bernadette? ←
14:46:50 <ericstephan> newton: bernadette will know more about the issues because I have been working thru another part of the document.
Newton Calegari: bernadette will know more about the issues because I have been working thru another part of the document. ←
14:48:25 <ericstephan> bernadette: organizing bp around the lifecycle....I am not sure if there is a bp for data creation, is it possible to identify if this makes sense for data publication.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: organizing bp around the lifecycle....I am not sure if there is a bp for data creation, is it possible to identify if this makes sense for data publication. ←
14:48:45 <deirdrelee_> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:48:51 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:49:13 <phila> ack deirdrelee_
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee_ ←
14:49:34 <phila> q+ to show a poss apporach
Phil Archer: q+ to show a poss apporach ←
14:49:41 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me ←
14:49:41 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted ←
14:49:43 <deirdrelee_> ack deirdrelee_
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee_ ←
14:49:48 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: bp for lifecycle can be done after the bp have been followed. After the bp have been written, here is how the bp can be applied in the context of lifecycle.
Deirdre Lee: bp for lifecycle can be done after the bp have been followed. After the bp have been written, here is how the bp can be applied in the context of lifecycle. ←
14:50:40 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
14:50:46 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
14:50:46 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to show a poss apporach
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to show a poss apporach ←
14:50:50 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/cas/ ←
14:50:52 <laufer> zakim, mute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me ←
14:50:52 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←
14:50:57 <deirdrelee_> ack phila
Deirdre Lee: ack phila ←
14:51:09 <ericstephan> laufer: In the example of metadata, we have one phase of the lifecycle. I agree with bernadette.
Carlos Laufer: In the example of metadata, we have one phase of the lifecycle. I agree with bernadette. ←
14:51:54 <ericstephan> phila: maybe the document can be organized by challenge. It might relate to several one one life cycle stages.
Phil Archer: maybe the document can be organized by challenge. It might relate to several one one life cycle stages. ←
14:52:26 <phila> Close Issue-100, resolve structure once more BPs have been written
Phil Archer: Close ISSUE-100, resolve structure once more BPs have been written ←
14:52:32 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/101
http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/101 ←
14:52:49 <ericstephan> phila: editors choice on the issue
Phil Archer: editors choice on the issue ←
14:52:56 <phila> issue-101, close
Phil Archer: ISSUE-101, close ←
14:53:06 <phila> trackbot, close issue-100
Phil Archer: trackbot, close ISSUE-100 ←
14:53:06 <trackbot> Closed issue-100.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-100. ←
14:53:16 <deirdrelee_> issue-102?
14:53:16 <trackbot> issue-102 -- Uuse Cases-BP links -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-102 -- Uuse Cases-BP links -- open ←
14:53:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102 ←
14:53:17 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/102 ←
14:53:20 <phila> trackbot close issue-101 Editor's discretion
Phil Archer: trackbot close ISSUE-101 Editor's discretion ←
14:53:20 <trackbot> Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot close issue-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot close ISSUE-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
14:53:26 <phila> trackbot, close issue-101 Editor's discretion
Phil Archer: trackbot, close ISSUE-101 Editor's discretion ←
14:53:26 <trackbot> Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot, close issue-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'trackbot, close ISSUE-101 Editor's discretion'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
14:53:35 <phila> trackbot, close issue-101
Phil Archer: trackbot, close ISSUE-101 ←
14:53:35 <trackbot> Closed issue-101.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-101. ←
14:53:53 <phila> trackbot, close issue-102
Phil Archer: trackbot, close ISSUE-102 ←
14:53:53 <trackbot> Closed issue-102.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-102. ←
14:53:56 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: If no one else feels strongly about 102 we close that as well.
Deirdre Lee: If no one else feels strongly about 102 we close that as well. ←
14:54:00 <deirdrelee_> issue-103
14:54:00 <trackbot> issue-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open ←
14:54:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103 ←
14:54:06 <phila> issue-103?
14:54:06 <trackbot> issue-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-103 -- Should we talk about the diff types of user -- open ←
14:54:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/103 ←
14:54:06 <hadleybeeman> 102 also looks like an editors' decision
Hadley Beeman: 102 also looks like an editors' decision ←
14:54:53 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:55:40 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: does it help us explain anything else? If it is just general then it might not be important to explain.
Hadley Beeman: does it help us explain anything else? If it is just general then it might not be important to explain. ←
14:56:07 <adler1> user is fine
Steven Adler: user is fine ←
14:56:18 <ericstephan> deirdrelee: consistency in use of the terms is the most important thing to keep in mind.
Deirdre Lee: consistency in use of the terms is the most important thing to keep in mind. ←
14:56:38 <ericstephan> bernadette: I agree, need to check this out.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree, need to check this out. ←
14:56:44 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
14:56:45 <adler1> consumer implies paying
Steven Adler: consumer implies paying ←
14:56:48 <hadleybeeman> ack me
Hadley Beeman: ack me ←
14:56:48 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:57:04 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me ←
14:57:04 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted ←
14:57:16 <ericstephan> phila: I thought I heard Deirdre prefered user as opposed to consumer. Something more commonly used.
Phil Archer: I thought I heard Deirdre prefered user as opposed to consumer. Something more commonly used. ←
14:57:23 <phila> PROPOSED: Data User is the term we will use unless there's a specific context that suggests otherwise
PROPOSED: Data User is the term we will use unless there's a specific context that suggests otherwise ←
14:57:29 <yaso> Agree that user is better
Yaso Córdova: Agree that user is better ←
14:57:31 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
14:57:42 <ericstephan> bernadette: I'm not sure...
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure... ←
14:57:55 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:57:58 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
14:58:38 <hadleybeeman> q+ to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs
Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs ←
14:58:55 <deirdrelee_> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
14:58:58 <ericstephan> annette_g: The word user can be confused with a data user versus end user. Maybe the phrase data user would help.
Annette Greiner: The word user can be confused with a data user versus end user. Maybe the phrase data user would help. ←
14:59:30 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
14:59:39 <ericstephan> laufer: I think that user can be confusing. I agree with Annette. Data user and not just user alone.
Carlos Laufer: I think that user can be confusing. I agree with Annette. Data user and not just user alone. ←
14:59:48 <gatemezi> data user seems to be more generic, as it contains "end users", "developers", etc.
Ghislain Atemezing: data user seems to be more generic, as it contains "end users", "developers", etc. ←
14:59:49 <yaso> data user isn’t the same as the developer?
Yaso Córdova: data user isn’t the same as the developer? ←
15:00:01 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
15:00:01 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to talk about consistency of terms and how people read specs ←
15:00:28 <laufer> zakim, mute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me ←
15:00:28 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←
15:00:29 <deirdrelee_> darnit, call dropped and zakim won't let me back in
Deirdre Lee: darnit, call dropped and zakim won't let me back in ←
15:00:32 <phila> hadleybeeman: I see plusses and minuses to both consumer and user. Whatever term we use we should be consistent, or ot could be more confusing
Hadley Beeman: I see plusses and minuses to both consumer and user. Whatever term we use we should be consistent, or ot could be more confusing [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:00:37 <deirdrelee_> hadleybeeman, can you wrap up?
Deirdre Lee: hadleybeeman, can you wrap up? ←
15:01:08 <phila> hadleybeeman: If we were writing a narrative then a variety of terms is good but most people will read specs by jumping around, just hte bots they want, so uniformity is important
Hadley Beeman: If we were writing a narrative then a variety of terms is good but most people will read specs by jumping around, just hte bots they want, so uniformity is important [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:01:21 <ericstephan> hadley: I just wanted to say I see both + and - about either approach. Data user versus user. To annette's approach about how we write. If people just jump around reading parts of the bp document we want to ensure consistency
Hadley Beeman: I just wanted to say I see both + and - about either approach. Data user versus user. To annette's approach about how we write. If people just jump around reading parts of the bp document we want to ensure consistency ←
15:01:48 <gatemezi> +1 to Hadley
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to Hadley ←
15:02:01 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco
Zakim IRC Bot: -MTCarrasco ←
15:02:05 <laufer> bye all, nice wkd...
Carlos Laufer: bye all, nice wkd... ←
15:02:07 <Zakim> -Steve
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steve ←
15:02:07 <yaso> Bye all!
Yaso Córdova: Bye all! ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
15:02:11 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
15:02:12 <CarlosIglesias> byebye
Carlos Iglesias: byebye ←
15:02:12 <Zakim> -phila
Zakim IRC Bot: -phila ←
15:02:12 <adler1> ciao
Steven Adler: ciao ←
15:02:12 <MTCarrasco> Bye
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Bye ←
15:02:13 <Zakim> - +1.617.646.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.646.aacc ←
15:02:13 <Zakim> -annette_g
Zakim IRC Bot: -annette_g ←
15:02:14 <Zakim> -laufer
Zakim IRC Bot: -laufer ←
15:02:16 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: -BernadetteLoscio ←
15:02:16 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
15:02:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye
Riccardo Albertoni: bye ←
15:02:21 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias ←
15:02:28 <phila> zakim, bye
Phil Archer: zakim, bye ←
15:02:28 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.617.646.aacc, ericstephan, laufer, HadleyBeeman,
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were deirdrelee, +1.510.384.aaaa, yaso, antoine, phila, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.617.646.aacc, ericstephan, laufer, HadleyBeeman, ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> ... riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaee, BernadetteLoscio, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, CarlosIglesias, Steve
Zakim IRC Bot: ... riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco, +1.609.557.aaee, BernadetteLoscio, Eric_Kauz, annette_g, CarlosIglesias, Steve ←
15:02:36 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
15:02:46 <ericstephan> hadley: just to underscrore the schedule deirdre brought to our attention. We need to make lots of progress this next week.
Hadley Beeman: just to underscrore the schedule deirdre brought to our attention. We need to make lots of progress this next week. ←
15:03:08 <ericstephan> sorry for being behind on the scribing.
sorry for being behind on the scribing. ←
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