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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 19 December 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141219
Seen
Adriano Pereira, Annette Greiner, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Kauz, Eric Stephan, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, Joao Almeida, Makx Dekkers, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni
Guests
Newton Calegari
Chair
Deirdre Lee
Scribe
Phil Archer, Hadley Beeman
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Accept last week's minutes link
Topics
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13:58:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:58:55 <trackbot> Date: 19 December 2014
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13:59:38 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

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13:59:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], +1.609.947.aaaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida

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13:59:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

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13:59:45 <hadleybeeman> hello all

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13:59:45 <hadleybeeman> Guest: Newton Calegari
13:59:49 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller] is me

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13:59:50 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aaaa is me

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13:59:58 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

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13:59:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida

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14:00:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see annette_g, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

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14:01:12 <Zakim> +??P13

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14:01:13 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

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14:01:17 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
14:01:36 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P13 i sme

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14:01:36 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P13 i sme', MTCarrasco

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14:01:47 <deirdrelee> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141219
14:01:52 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P13 is me

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14:01:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:02:00 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me

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14:02:00 <Zakim> +phila; got it

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14:03:04 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

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14:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, phila, +1.510.384.aacc

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14:03:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see MTCarrasco, AdrianoC, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

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14:03:47 <hadleybeeman> zakim, aacc is annette_g

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14:03:48 <Zakim> +annette_g; got it

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14:04:07 <Zakim> +ericstephan

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14:04:09 <phila> scribe: phila

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14:04:30 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141219

Hadley Beeman: hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141219

14:04:38 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Bernardette just e-mailed: "I am in a meeting and I'm gonna be a little bit late."

Joao Almeida: Bernardette just e-mailed: "I am in a meeting and I'm gonna be a little bit late."

14:05:12 <Caroline__> Hello! We are dialing

Caroline Burle: Hello! We are dialing

14:05:21 <hadleybeeman> hello, caroline__!

Hadley Beeman: hello, caroline__!

14:05:21 <phila> deirdrelee: Opens the meeting

Deirdre Lee: Opens the meeting

14:05:21 <Caroline__> Newton and I

Caroline Burle: Newton and I

14:05:23 <Zakim> +??P28

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14:05:28 <phila> ... lots of mail and progress around the BP doc

... lots of mail and progress around the BP doc

14:05:36 <Zakim> +Reinaldo

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14:05:43 <gatemezi> Hi all

Ghislain Atemezing: Hi all

14:05:43 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141219
14:05:44 <AdrianoC> Zakim, ??28 is AdrianoC

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14:05:44 <Zakim> sorry, AdrianoC, I do not recognize a party named '??28'

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14:05:51 <Caroline__> Zakim, Reinaldo is Caroline__

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14:05:54 <AdrianoC> Zakim, ??P28 is AdrianoC

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14:05:59 <Caroline__> Zakim, Caroline__ has newton

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14:05:59 <Zakim> +newton; got it

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14:06:10 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-12

Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-12-12

14:06:23 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes

PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes

14:06:24 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

14:06:26 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:06:29 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:06:31 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

14:06:37 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:06:38 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

14:06:40 <phila> +1

+1

14:06:46 <phila> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes

RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes

14:06:53 <Caroline__> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:07:17 <phila> deirdrelee: We haven't officially said that we won't have meetings for the next 2 weeks

Deirdre Lee: We haven't officially said that we won't have meetings for the next 2 weeks

14:07:43 <phila> deirdrelee: Date of the next meeting is 9 January 2015

Deirdre Lee: Date of the next meeting is 9 January 2015

14:08:06 <phila> hadleybeeman: Of course others can use the zakim bridge for an informal meeting if so desired

Hadley Beeman: Of course others can use the zakim bridge for an informal meeting if so desired

14:08:19 <phila> deirdrelee: I'm going to swap items 1 and 2...

Deirdre Lee: I'm going to swap items 1 and 2...

14:08:39 <phila> deirdrelee: Tomas asked to add COMURI to the agenda so we'll talk about that today

Deirdre Lee: Tomas asked to add COMURI to the agenda so we'll talk about that today

14:08:47 <phila> topic: The Use Case doc

1. The Use Case doc

14:08:57 <Caroline__> I send regrets in advance because I will be on vacation! Coming back for the meeting on January 23 :)

Caroline Burle: I send regrets in advance because I will be on vacation! Coming back for the meeting on January 23 :)

14:09:15 <phila> deirdrelee: A couple of weeks ago I went back to the UCR. We decided to go through the existing UCs to see if we could extract more reqs from them

Deirdre Lee: A couple of weeks ago I went back to the UCR. We decided to go through the existing UCs to see if we could extract more reqs from them

14:09:47 <phila> ... with hindsight, such and such a requirement does apply to my use case. So we can strengthen our requirements and maybe drop some and add some new ones

... with hindsight, such and such a requirement does apply to my use case. So we can strengthen our requirements and maybe drop some and add some new ones

14:10:04 <phila> ... so I went through them all and asked the authors to do the same. Lots have done that

... so I went through them all and asked the authors to do the same. Lots have done that

14:10:30 <phila> ... I ma currently going through those replies. When doing this I had difficulty mapping the UCs and Reqs so I set up a little RDF model to help me

... I ma currently going through those replies. When doing this I had difficulty mapping the UCs and Reqs so I set up a little RDF model to help me

14:11:10 <hadleybeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman

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14:11:51 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: I'm going through the feedback I've received; will have a new version for the group to review by the next meeting on 9 Jan.

Deirdre Lee: I'm going through the feedback I've received; will have a new version for the group to review by the next meeting on 9 Jan.

14:12:12 <hadleybeeman> ... Any comments/questions? Authors, was it useful to enhance your use cases?

... Any comments/questions? Authors, was it useful to enhance your use cases?

14:12:27 <hadleybeeman> ... Hopefully it will be useful for the other deliverables then

... Hopefully it will be useful for the other deliverables then

14:12:27 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:12:34 <hadleybeeman> scribe: phila

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

14:12:48 <gatemezi> Thanks deirdrelee. It was very useful

Ghislain Atemezing: Thanks deirdrelee. It was very useful

14:13:00 <phila> ericstephan: TNhank you Deirdre for doing that. We can see where all the use cases and requirements match up

Eric Stephan: TNhank you Deirdre for doing that. We can see where all the use cases and requirements match up

14:13:12 <hadleybeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

14:13:19 <phila> ...  I thought it would be a lot more work than it turned out to be thanks to Deirdre's actions

... I thought it would be a lot more work than it turned out to be thanks to Deirdre's actions

14:13:45 <phila> deirdrelee: It's for myself as well. I added a couple of UCs myself earlier on and I;m questionaing how valuable they are now the doc is as it is

Deirdre Lee: It's for myself as well. I added a couple of UCs myself earlier on and I;m questionaing how valuable they are now the doc is as it is

14:14:10 <phila> topic: BP Doc

2. BP Doc

14:14:13 <Caroline__> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

14:15:01 <phila> Caroline__: I would just suggets that we can change the order a little and talk about the vocabs before Bernadette comes.

Caroline Burle: I would just suggets that we can change the order a little and talk about the vocabs before Bernadette comes.

14:15:12 <phila> .. Newton and I are here but it's best if Bernadette were here

.. Newton and I are here but it's best if Bernadette were here

14:15:45 <ericstephan> yes I can talk

Eric Stephan: yes I can talk

14:15:54 <Caroline__> thank you!

Caroline Burle: thank you!

14:15:57 <phila> Topic: Data Usage Vocab

3. Data Usage Vocab

14:15:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:16:08 <MakxDekkers> zakim, ipcaller is me

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14:16:09 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers; got it

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14:16:09 <phila> ericstephan: Bernadette and I have been talking to each other outside the schedule

Eric Stephan: Bernadette and I have been talking to each other outside the schedule

14:16:22 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me

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Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted

14:16:23 <Caroline__> welcome BernadetteLoscio! :)

Caroline Burle: welcome BernadetteLoscio! :)

14:16:34 <BernadetteLoscio> hello!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: hello!

14:16:38 <phila> ... she proposed different targets for us a few weeks ago and we've been iterating on the date schedule. She and I are meeting after this meeting today and we'll report back

... she proposed different targets for us a few weeks ago and we've been iterating on the date schedule. She and I are meeting after this meeting today and we'll report back

14:17:19 <phila> ericstephan: We haven't been doing a whole lot since the TPAC but Bernadette has been doing a lot on BP and we're working on a concrete schedule

Eric Stephan: We haven't been doing a whole lot since the TPAC but Bernadette has been doing a lot on BP and we're working on a concrete schedule

14:17:31 <phila> deirdrelee: Could you remind us of the current status?

Deirdre Lee: Could you remind us of the current status?

14:17:44 <phila> ericstephan: Before the f2f we were doing quite a bit of work to identify new UCs

Eric Stephan: Before the f2f we were doing quite a bit of work to identify new UCs

14:18:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:18:25 <phila> ... that would give us new Reqs for the vocab. We're continuing on with that. We have a draft of the vocab based on new scenarios. They're on the wiki (will add pointer by mail later)

... that would give us new Reqs for the vocab. We're continuing on with that. We have a draft of the vocab based on new scenarios. They're on the wiki (will add pointer by mail later)

14:18:30 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

14:18:30 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it

14:18:33 <phila> ... we're hoping for feedback from the WG on that

... we're hoping for feedback from the WG on that

14:18:39 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

14:18:39 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

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14:19:02 <phila> ... and then we can extract the data usage scenarios. Hoping that within a short time we'll be able to make progress

... and then we can extract the data usage scenarios. Hoping that within a short time we'll be able to make progress

14:19:07 <annette_g> +1 for it being 6:00 in the morning

Annette Greiner: +1 for it being 6:00 in the morning

14:19:45 <BernadetteLoscio> hi Eric!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: hi Eric!

14:19:53 <BernadetteLoscio> thats good!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thats good!

14:20:29 <BernadetteLoscio> yes!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes!

14:20:44 <phila> ericstephan: We had a question about whether some of these things would be in the UCs and/or in the vocab document

Eric Stephan: We had a question about whether some of these things would be in the UCs and/or in the vocab document

14:20:55 <phila> q+ to help ericstephan out here (I hope)

q+ to help ericstephan out here (I hope)

14:21:19 <phila> ericstephan: We tried before the f2f to find UCs that we could incorporate in the UCR

Eric Stephan: We tried before the f2f to find UCs that we could incorporate in the UCR

14:21:39 <phila> ... but maybe we could add some stories as primer to the vocab

... but maybe we could add some stories as primer to the vocab

14:21:43 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:21:47 <hadleybeeman> ack caroline

Hadley Beeman: ack caroline

14:21:59 <phila> ack Caroline__

ack Caroline__

14:22:01 <phila> ack me

ack me

14:22:01 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to help ericstephan out here (I hope)

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to help ericstephan out here (I hope)

14:22:18 <phila> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/

http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/

14:23:00 <MTCarrasco> Phil examples +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Phil examples +1

14:23:22 <phila> phila: UCs give you evidence for what you need to do. The vocab spec can then tell a story about how to use it and why it's the way it is

Phil Archer: UCs give you evidence for what you need to do. The vocab spec can then tell a story about how to use it and why it's the way it is

14:23:23 <MTCarrasco> Illustrations +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Illustrations +1

14:23:31 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 to examples!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to examples!

14:23:34 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks!

14:23:39 <phila> topic: Bp Doc

4. Bp Doc

14:23:51 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

14:23:51 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

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14:24:00 <phila> deirdrelee: There has been lots of mailing list activity so... over to you Bernadette

Deirdre Lee: There has been lots of mailing list activity so... over to you Bernadette

14:24:09 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We have had a lot of discussion on the list, thank you

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have had a lot of discussion on the list, thank you

14:24:22 <phila> ... but we still don't have a consensus about the audience of the doc

... but we still don't have a consensus about the audience of the doc

14:24:38 <phila> ... yesterday I sent a message trying to summarise where we are.

... yesterday I sent a message trying to summarise where we are.

14:24:54 <phila> ... I think we have some agreement in termns of what data consumers we are talking about

... I think we have some agreement in termns of what data consumers we are talking about

14:25:16 <phila> ... but we still need to agree on what is going to be the audience of the doc

... but we still need to agree on what is going to be the audience of the doc

14:25:28 <phila> ... are we talking about developers or consumers, for example

... are we talking about developers or consumers, for example

14:25:40 <phila> ... in the beginning we said we'd have the BPs for data publishers and BPs for developers

... in the beginning we said we'd have the BPs for data publishers and BPs for developers

14:26:11 <phila> ... but the discussion ... some people think we should just address publishers. Maybe BPs for developers should be in anotehr doc

... but the discussion ... some people think we should just address publishers. Maybe BPs for developers should be in anotehr doc

14:26:43 <gatemezi> link of the mail sent by BernadetteLoscio yesterday at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Dec/0145.html

Ghislain Atemezing: link of the mail sent by BernadetteLoscio yesterday at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Dec/0145.html

14:26:44 <phila> ... Second point - if we just have publishers as the audience - or is it also interesting for developers to know about publishers' BPs

... Second point - if we just have publishers as the audience - or is it also interesting for developers to know about publishers' BPs

14:27:31 <phila> ... this is the main point of discussion. Maybe Anette and makx want to say something?

... this is the main point of discussion. Maybe Anette and makx want to say something?

14:27:31 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:27:37 <Zakim> +RiccardoAlbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: +RiccardoAlbertoni

14:27:41 <phila> ... there has been a lot of info this week

... there has been a lot of info this week

14:27:47 <phila> ... it's important to have comments from the group

... it's important to have comments from the group

14:28:14 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Eric S and Laufer think the audience should be both publishers and developers

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Eric S and Laufer think the audience should be both publishers and developers

14:28:28 <phila> ... my opinion is that we should consider both

... my opinion is that we should consider both

14:28:38 <AdrianoC> +1 (for both)

Adriano Pereira: +1 (for both)

14:28:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all, sorry if I join  in the call so late ..

Riccardo Albertoni: hi all, sorry if I join in the call so late ..

14:29:00 <MTCarrasco> publishers and developers +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: publishers and developers +1

14:29:01 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:29:03 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The terms we use are important

Bernadette Farias Loscio: The terms we use are important

14:29:42 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: It's the same people discussing the topic - we need to come to a resolution

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It's the same people discussing the topic - we need to come to a resolution

14:29:43 <MTCarrasco> terms +1 - the must be formal difinitons

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: terms +1 - the must be formal difinitons

14:30:02 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: One more thing... we are also working on a picture for the data lifecycle

Bernadette Farias Loscio: One more thing... we are also working on a picture for the data lifecycle

14:30:17 <ericstephan> @MTCarrasco agreed very important to have good definitions

Eric Stephan: @MTCarrasco agreed very important to have good definitions

14:30:32 <phila> ... Ghislain, Makx and Christophe have been looking at that. Feedback would be good

... Ghislain, Makx and Christophe have been looking at that. Feedback would be good

14:30:35 <Caroline__> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio

14:30:40 <phila> ack ericstephan

ack ericstephan

14:31:15 <phila> ericstephan: I think Tomas put it in IRC - part of the challenge is that we come up with definitions of what we mean by certain things. Whilst focusing on the BP doc,

Eric Stephan: I think Tomas put it in IRC - part of the challenge is that we come up with definitions of what we mean by certain things. Whilst focusing on the BP doc,

14:31:33 <phila> ... there were some disagreements about where theere would be places for data consumers that may be outside the BP docv

... there were some disagreements about where theere would be places for data consumers that may be outside the BP doc

14:31:40 <phila> s/docv/doc/
14:31:55 <phila> ericstephan: It's vital for us to have clear terms so that we can share

Eric Stephan: It's vital for us to have clear terms so that we can share

14:31:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:31:58 <phila> deirdrelee: +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:32:08 <Caroline__> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:32:15 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, IPcaller is me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, IPcaller is me

14:32:15 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it

14:32:15 <phila> deirdrelee: When I was going gthrough the open Issues and Actions that were about definitions

Deirdre Lee: When I was going through the open Issues and Actions that were about definitions

14:32:26 <phila> ... we already have recorded what we need to define

... we already have recorded what we need to define

14:32:41 <MTCarrasco> In addition to fulfill the function of specification, the docs should be usable as tutorial

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: In addition to fulfill the function of specification, the docs should be usable as tutorial

14:32:43 <phila> ... maybe we need a new wiki page for ourselves that we may or may not surface in the doc

... maybe we need a new wiki page for ourselves that we may or may not surface in the doc

14:32:47 <annette_g> +1 to Deirdre

Annette Greiner: +1 to Deirdre

14:32:48 <phila> ericstephan: That sounds reakly useful

Eric Stephan: That sounds really useful

14:32:51 <phila> q+

q+

14:32:51 <hadleybeeman> q+ to

Hadley Beeman: q+ to

14:32:52 <gatemezi> s/gthrough/through
14:32:56 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:32:57 <phila> q- later

q- later

14:33:00 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:33:06 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

14:33:08 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

14:33:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/reakly/really
14:33:17 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I think the last meeting we were talking about this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think the last meeting we were talking about this

14:33:23 <phila> q- to

q- to

14:33:28 <phila> q+ later

q+ later

14:33:32 <phila> q-

q-

14:33:37 <ericstephan> yes that's right @bernadette

Eric Stephan: yes that's right @bernadette

14:34:03 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Yaso was at that meeting 2 weeks ago and we decided to create a wiki page

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yaso was at that meeting 2 weeks ago and we decided to create a wiki page

14:34:08 <phila> ... for definitions

... for definitions

14:34:17 <phila> deirdrelee: So does that wiki page exist yet?

Deirdre Lee: So does that wiki page exist yet?

14:34:22 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Don't know

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Don't know

14:34:25 <ericstephan> I don't think an action was made

Eric Stephan: I don't think an action was made

14:34:53 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: As soon as we find a defn that's important, we should be able to put it on the wiki there and then

Bernadette Farias Loscio: As soon as we find a defn that's important, we should be able to put it on the wiki there and then

14:34:56 <ericstephan> Could the author or authors of the definitions also be put in the table?

Eric Stephan: Could the author or authors of the definitions also be put in the table?

14:35:07 <ericstephan> just so we have a point of reference?

Eric Stephan: just so we have a point of reference?

14:35:33 <hadleybeeman> Before we do, deirdrelee... can I jump in?

Hadley Beeman: Before we do, deirdrelee... can I jump in?

14:35:34 <MTCarrasco> Wiki pages could be harmful - one should consider Editor's Draft with the appropriate definitons and a terminoligy section

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Wiki pages could be harmful - one should consider Editor's Draft with the appropriate definitons and a terminoligy section

14:35:53 <phila> ack had

ack had

14:35:57 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

14:36:01 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to MTCarrasco

Joao Almeida: +1 to MTCarrasco

14:36:10 <hadleybeeman> https://indiewebcamp.com/Category:building-blocks

Hadley Beeman: https://indiewebcamp.com/Category:building-blocks

14:36:26 <phila> hadleybeeman: The other way of approaching this might be... the Indie WebCamp have created on the wiki a new page for every new concept

Hadley Beeman: The other way of approaching this might be... the Indie WebCamp have created on the wiki a new page for every new concept

14:36:41 <phila> ... they can point to it and keep a trial for each topic

... they can point to it and keep a trial for each topic

14:37:18 <phila> deirdrelee: If people are adding conent to a wiki page for definitions, does that distract from the docs

Deirdre Lee: If people are adding content to a wiki page for definitions, does that distract from the docs

14:37:24 <phila> ack me

ack me

14:37:40 <gatemezi> s/conent/content
14:38:25 <ericstephan> phila:  my take on this is the majority is targeting people producing data whether it is publishers or re-users.

Phil Archer: my take on this is the majority is targeting people producing data whether it is publishers or re-users. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

14:38:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is talking?

Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is talking?

14:38:59 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is making noise?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is making noise?

14:39:06 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (90%), phila (43%)

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (90%), phila (43%)

14:39:17 <Zakim> deirdrelee, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (37%), phila (62%)

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (37%), phila (62%)

14:39:23 <ericstephan> phila:  if you want to know who was using the data, you might want to use a form, you want to encourage use of metadata

Phil Archer: if you want to know who was using the data, you might want to use a form, you want to encourage use of metadata [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

14:39:59 <ericstephan> phila:  reusers let publishers people are doing with their data.  that's the target.

Phil Archer: reusers let publishers people are doing with their data. that's the target. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

14:40:17 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:40:34 <ericstephan> phila:  steering people from sign up forms and using data usage vocabulary....

Phil Archer: steering people from sign up forms and using data usage vocabulary.... [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

14:40:36 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

14:40:39 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 :)

14:40:41 <phila> ack MTCarrasco

ack MTCarrasco

14:40:54 <phila> MTCarrasco: Coming back to terminology.

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Coming back to terminology.

14:41:11 <ericstephan> @phila, double check my notes I hop I captured it, I think I missed a few things with the noise.

Eric Stephan: @phila, double check my notes I hop I captured it, I think I missed a few things with the noise.

14:41:16 <phila> ... we have to produce formal specs. Wikis can be dangerous. Better to use the format it will be in later on

... we have to produce formal specs. Wikis can be dangerous. Better to use the format it will be in later on

14:41:26 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to MTCarrasco

Joao Almeida: +1 to MTCarrasco

14:41:29 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:41:45 <phila> ... maybe terms defined in the doc. Maybe one of the editors for each doc takes responsibility for collecting term definitions in the doc in the final format

... maybe terms defined in the doc. Maybe one of the editors for each doc takes responsibility for collecting term definitions in the doc in the final format

14:41:51 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

14:42:18 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Replying to Phil - I like that approach to give BPs for publishers to help reusers to give feedback

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Replying to Phil - I like that approach to give BPs for publishers to help reusers to give feedback

14:42:51 <phila> ... I'm still not convinced that the doc is really only for publishers

... I'm still not convinced that the doc is really only for publishers

14:43:09 <phila> ... developers won't have an interest if it's only for publishers

... developers won't have an interest if it's only for publishers

14:43:11 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

14:43:16 <phila> ... so I;m not 100% sure

... so I;m not 100% sure

14:43:19 <Caroline__> +1 to BernadetteLoscio about developers being interested on the document of BP

Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio about developers being interested on the document of BP

14:43:28 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

14:43:34 <MakxDekkers> zakim, unmute me

Makx Dekkers: zakim, unmute me

14:43:34 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should no longer be muted

14:43:39 <phila> ack annette_g

ack annette_g

14:43:43 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+

14:44:11 <phila> annette_g: +1 to Phil. I think the usage vocab will address the primary that we want to convey to users that they should let publishers know what they've done

Annette Greiner: +1 to Phil. I think the usage vocab will address the primary that we want to convey to users that they should let publishers know what they've done

14:44:32 <phila> ... and I also wanted to suggest that the doc could be for primary and secondary audiences

... and I also wanted to suggest that the doc could be for primary and secondary audiences

14:44:58 <phila> ... there is a 2ndary interest in reading over the doc by consumers so they know what to expect

... there is a 2ndary interest in reading over the doc by consumers so they know what to expect

14:45:01 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

14:45:08 <phila> phila: +1 to annette_g

Phil Archer: +1 to annette_g

14:45:12 <phila> deirdrelee: +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:45:21 <AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

14:45:29 <phila> deirdrelee: In terms of audience - who is going to implement the BPs - that's the primary audience

Deirdre Lee: In terms of audience - who is going to implement the BPs - that's the primary audience

14:45:30 <hadleybeeman> +1 to deirdrelee

Hadley Beeman: +1 to deirdrelee

14:45:42 <MakxDekkers> Just wrote an e-mail message to the list on this

Makx Dekkers: Just wrote an e-mail message to the list on this

14:45:44 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:45:45 <phila> ... but the data users can put pressure on publishers to follow the BPs

... but the data users can put pressure on publishers to follow the BPs

14:46:05 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

14:46:17 <phila> deirdrelee: Also to respond to Tomas - in terms of the glossary, oyu suggetsed that we go straight to the structure of the published doc, I;m not sure that I agree

Deirdre Lee: Also to respond to Tomas - in terms of the glossary, oyu suggetsed that we go straight to the structure of the published doc, I;m not sure that I agree

14:46:18 <annette_g> +1 to using a wiki initially

Annette Greiner: +1 to using a wiki initially

14:46:21 <Caroline__> +1 to difference of primary and secondary audience

Caroline Burle: +1 to difference of primary and secondary audience

14:46:48 <phila> ... as not all terms are detined for publication and the wiki is easier to collect ideas. GitHug etc. is not as good for brainstorming

... as not all terms are detined for publication and the wiki is easier to collect ideas. GitHub etc. is not as good for brainstorming

14:47:02 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 to the wiki

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to the wiki

14:47:07 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:47:10 <annette_g> s/GitHug/GitHub/
14:47:14 <phila> ... might make more sense to have a central page that can be referenced

... might make more sense to have a central page that can be referenced

14:47:23 <Caroline__> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

14:47:34 <phila> MakxDekkers: I put myself on the queue but I think both deirdrelee and annette_g said what I was going to say

Makx Dekkers: I put myself on the queue but I think both deirdrelee and annette_g said what I was going to say

14:47:34 <hadleybeeman> I'm 100% with deirdrelee. If we need to publish a glossary document out of what's on the wiki, then we can.  And we can decide that at any time.

Hadley Beeman: I'm 100% with deirdrelee. If we need to publish a glossary document out of what's on the wiki, then we can. And we can decide that at any time.

14:47:41 <phila> ... the audience is the group opf people we want to do things

... the audience is the group of people we want to do things

14:47:47 <phila> ... that doesn't mean the doc is only for them

... that doesn't mean the doc is only for them

14:48:15 <phila> ... people qwho want to use the data can see what publishers can/should do and if they don't, the publisher can be contacted and encouraged

... people who want to use the data can see what publishers can/should do and if they don't, the publisher can be contacted and encouraged

14:48:26 <Caroline__> +1 to maxkdekkers

Caroline Burle: +1 to maxkdekkers

14:48:37 <gatemezi> s/opf/of
14:48:49 <gatemezi> s/qwho/who
14:48:51 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I like the idea of the 1ry and 2ry audiences - I'm happy

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I like the idea of the 1ry and 2ry audiences - I'm happy

14:49:05 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: So I propose to revise the intro to reflect this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: So I propose to revise the intro to reflect this

14:49:36 <Caroline__> q-

Caroline Burle: q-

14:49:50 <phila> deirdrelee: So do you want to make a proposal about audiences now?

Deirdre Lee: So do you want to make a proposal about audiences now?

14:50:04 <Caroline__> I was going to agree, as BernadetteLoscio just said. +1 to make a proposal!

Caroline Burle: I was going to agree, as BernadetteLoscio just said. +1 to make a proposal!

14:50:06 <ericstephan> yes please do so I can sleep :-)

Eric Stephan: yes please do so I can sleep :-)

14:50:14 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

14:50:15 <annette_g> +1 for sleep

Annette Greiner: +1 for sleep

14:50:29 <ericstephan> @annette :-)

Eric Stephan: @annette :-)

14:50:32 <gatemezi> ericstephan: so chairs don't sleep?

Eric Stephan: so chairs don't sleep? [ Scribe Assist by Ghislain Atemezing ]

14:50:33 <MTCarrasco_> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

14:50:43 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+

14:50:48 <phila> PROPOSED: The BP document has a primary audience of data publishers and a secondary audience of developers and reusers

PROPOSED: The BP document has a primary audience of data publishers and a secondary audience of developers and reusers

14:50:52 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

14:50:58 <phila> That's my first stab...

That's my first stab...

14:51:02 <phila> q?

q?

14:51:06 <gatemezi> I understand now why we have so many chairs in this group ;)

Ghislain Atemezing: I understand now why we have so many chairs in this group ;)

14:51:32 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: One more thing... I want to know about the FPWD. What's the schedule

Bernadette Farias Loscio: One more thing... I want to know about the FPWD. What's the schedule

14:52:22 <deirdrelee> ack MakxDekkers

Deirdre Lee: ack MakxDekkers

14:52:34 <MakxDekkers> q-

Makx Dekkers: q-

14:52:45 <phila> phila: Publish w/c 26 Jan, means resolving w/c 19 Jan so needs to be ready w/c 12 Jan

Phil Archer: Publish w/c 26 Jan, means resolving w/c 19 Jan so needs to be ready w/c 12 Jan

14:52:48 <Caroline__> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

14:52:50 <MakxDekkers> i did

Makx Dekkers: i did

14:52:54 <MakxDekkers> q-

Makx Dekkers: q-

14:52:58 <ericstephan> @bernadette just as Steve A said in the email we don't have to get everything in the first draft

Eric Stephan: @bernadette just as Steve A said in the email we don't have to get everything in the first draft

14:53:08 <phila> PROPOSED: The BP document has a primary audience of data publishers and a secondary audience of developers and reusers

PROPOSED: The BP document has a primary audience of data publishers and a secondary audience of developers and reusers

14:53:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

14:53:20 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

14:53:21 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

14:53:22 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

14:53:24 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

14:53:24 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:53:26 <phila> +1

+1

14:53:26 <Caroline__> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

14:53:27 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

14:53:27 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

14:53:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

14:53:31 <hadleybeeman> +1, because it makes sense with our scope that we agreed at the TPAC f2f  https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Scope

Hadley Beeman: +1, because it makes sense with our scope that we agreed at the TPAC f2f https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Scope

14:53:48 <phila> q?

q?

14:53:50 <MTCarrasco_> http://dragoman.org/comuri - proposal to go for First Public Working Draft

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://dragoman.org/comuri - proposal to go for First Public Working Draft

14:53:57 <phila> Topic: COMURI

5. COMURI

14:54:05 <ericstephan> woo hoo!  The right the write

Eric Stephan: woo hoo! The right the write

14:54:06 <Caroline__> q-

Caroline Burle: q-

14:54:06 <BernadetteLoscio> :):):)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: :):):)

14:54:09 <phila> MTCarrasco: I'd like to propose that the COMURI document goes to FPWD

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I'd like to propose that the COMURI document goes to FPWD

14:54:22 <phila> ... it was commented on several months ago and I answered those comments

... it was commented on several months ago and I answered those comments

14:54:22 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:54:35 <deirdrelee> ack MTCarrasco_

Deirdre Lee: ack MTCarrasco_

14:54:38 <phila> Ack hadleybeeman

Ack hadleybeeman

14:55:03 <phila> hadleybeeman: I would love to have the conversation - there's a lot to talk about. But as we didn't put this on the agenda 24 hours' notice

Hadley Beeman: I would love to have the conversation - there's a lot to talk about. But as we didn't put this on the agenda 24 hours' notice

14:55:09 <phila> ... formal decisions need 24 hours' notice

... formal decisions need 24 hours' notice

14:55:32 <phila> deirdrelee: When I sent the agenda yesterday I didn't know but added it afterwards when Tomas wrote to me

Deirdre Lee: When I sent the agenda yesterday I didn't know but added it afterwards when Tomas wrote to me

14:56:00 <phila> MTCarrasco_: So we can schedule for it 9 Jan, that's OK

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: So we can schedule for it 9 Jan, that's OK

14:56:18 <phila> MTCarrasco_: I sent it out, I answered the comments. I took some parts out and it now just addresses the URIs

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I sent it out, I answered the comments. I took some parts out and it now just addresses the URIs

14:56:41 <phila> ... the BP doc talks about data indentification but not into the details of the URI design

... the BP doc talks about data indentification but not into the details of the URI design

14:56:52 <phila> ... in the document I took everything into account.

... in the document I took everything into account.

14:56:59 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:57:03 <phila> ... I believe that URIs are an important part of data on the Web

... I believe that URIs are an important part of data on the Web

14:57:24 <hadleybeeman> q+ to talk about this resolution about the Best Practices and formats http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-31#resolution_5

Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about this resolution about the Best Practices and formats http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-31#resolution_5

14:58:01 <hadleybeeman> and this one too: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-31#resolution_6

Hadley Beeman: and this one too: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-31#resolution_6

14:58:11 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: For me the COMRUI doc is far from the BP doc - I need to take a look and think about it some more. We need to see what should and shouldn't fit in the BP doc

Bernadette Farias Loscio: For me the COMRUI doc is far from the BP doc - I need to take a look and think about it some more. We need to see what should and shouldn't fit in the BP doc

14:58:25 <phila> MTCarrasco_: I don't think everything inCOMURI fits in the BP doc

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I don't think everything inCOMURI fits in the BP doc

14:58:31 <phila> ... It should be separate

... It should be separate

14:58:49 <phila> deirdrelee: So we'll put that on the agenda for 9 Jan

Deirdre Lee: So we'll put that on the agenda for 9 Jan

14:59:01 <phila> ... maybe it's not as straightforward and it's a great starting point

... maybe it's not as straightforward and it's a great starting point

14:59:22 <phila> MTCarrasco_: we talked a lot of about having a FPWD - this one has been ready for nearly 3 months

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we talked a lot of about having a FPWD - this one has been ready for nearly 3 months

14:59:30 <phila> deirdrelee: Yes, but the process has to fit in with everything else

Deirdre Lee: Yes, but the process has to fit in with everything else

14:59:37 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:59:40 <phila> q?

q?

14:59:44 <hadleybeeman> q-

Hadley Beeman: q-

14:59:45 <phila> q- hadleybeeman

q- hadleybeeman

14:59:54 <BernadetteLoscio> Feliz Natal!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Feliz Natal!

15:00:01 <MTCarrasco_> Happy Xmas!!!

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Happy Xmas!!!

15:00:03 <RiccardoAlbertoni> happy xmas !!

Riccardo Albertoni: happy xmas !!

15:00:19 <Caroline__> Thank you! Merry Christmas!

Caroline Burle: Thank you! Merry Christmas!

15:00:30 <annette_g> happy holidays, all!!

Annette Greiner: happy holidays, all!!

15:00:30 <phila> deirdrelee: Closes the meeting and Felice Navidad

Deirdre Lee: Closes the meeting and Felice Navidad

15:00:31 <ericstephan> Best wishes to everyone!  Merry Christmas, Happy New Year!

Eric Stephan: Best wishes to everyone! Merry Christmas, Happy New Year!

15:00:32 <Caroline__> bye!

Caroline Burle: bye!

15:00:33 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco

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15:00:36 <Zakim> -Eric_Kauz

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15:00:36 <gatemezi> Happy xmas and New Year!!

Ghislain Atemezing: Happy xmas and New Year!!

15:00:37 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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15:00:37 <newton> Bye all!

Newton Calegari: Bye all!

15:00:37 <Zakim> -annette_g

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15:00:38 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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15:00:40 <Zakim> -Caroline__

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15:00:42 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias

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15:00:42 <AdrianoC> Good parties and vacations for everybody! A nice break and see ya! Happy New Year!!!

Adriano Pereira: Good parties and vacations for everybody! A nice break and see ya! Happy New Year!!!

15:00:43 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers

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15:00:46 <Zakim> -phila

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15:00:49 <Zakim> -ericstephan

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15:00:50 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio

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15:00:58 <hadleybeeman> thanks, philA. Brilliant scribing. :)

Hadley Beeman: thanks, philA. Brilliant scribing. :)

15:00:59 <Zakim> -AdrianoC

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15:01:05 <Zakim> -RiccardoAlbertoni

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15:01:19 <ericstephan> @hadleybeeman - agreed!

Eric Stephan: @hadleybeeman - agreed!

15:01:23 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

15:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee

15:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see BernadetteLoscio, Caroline__, ericstephan, AdrianoC, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see BernadetteLoscio, Caroline__, ericstephan, AdrianoC, Eric_Kauz, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, rhiaro_, phila, hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot

15:01:32 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee

15:01:32 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

15:01:32 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.609.947.aaaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, HadleyBeeman, MTCarrasco, phila, +1.510.384.aabb, +1.510.384.aacc, annette_g, ericstephan, AdrianoC,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.609.947.aaaa, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, Eric_Kauz, HadleyBeeman, MTCarrasco, phila, +1.510.384.aabb, +1.510.384.aacc, annette_g, ericstephan, AdrianoC,

15:01:32 <Zakim> ... newton, MakxDekkers, BernadetteLoscio, RiccardoAlbertoni, CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: ... newton, MakxDekkers, BernadetteLoscio, RiccardoAlbertoni, CarlosIglesias

15:01:37 <deirdrelee> Thanks Phil for scribing!

Deirdre Lee: Thanks Phil for scribing!



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