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15:21:41 <phila> zakim, this will be dwbp
Phil Archer: zakim, this will be dwbp ←
15:21:41 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()11:30AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()11:30AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes ←
15:22:05 <phila> RRSAgent, this meeting spans midnight
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, this meeting spans midnight ←
15:22:39 <phila> Meeting: DWBP Face to face, TPAC 2014, Day 1
15:24:31 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()11:30AM has now started
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15:24:39 <Zakim> +RiccardoAlbertoni
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15:26:36 <RiccardoAlbertoni> how remote partecipation is going to work? are we supposed to be connected only by irc or an audio connection is foreseen?
Riccardo Albertoni: how remote partecipation is going to work? are we supposed to be connected only by irc or an audio connection is foreseen? ←
15:28:29 <Zakim> -RiccardoAlbertoni
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15:28:30 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()11:30AM has ended
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15:28:30 <Zakim> Attendees were RiccardoAlbertoni
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15:28:49 <phila> Hi RiccardoAlbertoni - you need to be on IRC as usual and the dial in number will work. We're still gathering here so I won't connect to zakim, just yet
Phil Archer: Hi RiccardoAlbertoni - you need to be on IRC as usual and the dial in number will work. We're still gathering here so I won't connect to zakim, just yet ←
15:29:25 <phila> My guess is a lot of people will assume we're starting at 09:00 (half an hour's time). No chairs here yet...
Phil Archer: My guess is a lot of people will assume we're starting at 09:00 (half an hour's time). No chairs here yet... ←
15:30:42 <Caroline__> Hello!!!
Caroline Burle: Hello!!! ←
15:31:06 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ok, thanks .. then I will wait the actual start for calling by skype ..
Riccardo Albertoni: ok, thanks .. then I will wait the actual start for calling by skype .. ←
15:32:03 <Caroline__> We will call Zakim?
Caroline Burle: We will call Zakim? ←
15:32:51 <phila> Yes, but not yet Caroline__
Phil Archer: Yes, but not yet Caroline__ ←
15:33:08 <phila> People are still gathering here in the room.
Phil Archer: People are still gathering here in the room. ←
15:33:09 <phila> Guest: Chunming (chunming) Hu
15:33:10 <phila> Guest: Gary (Gary_Driscoll) Driscoll
15:33:11 <phila> Guest: Jeni (JeniT) Tennison
15:33:12 <phila> Guest: Jeremy (jtandy) Tandy
15:33:14 <phila> Guest: Olivier (Olivier) Thereaux
15:33:15 <phila> Guest: Kirby (Kirby_Shabaga) Shabaga
15:33:16 <phila> Guest: Ken (KenL) Laskey
15:33:17 <phila> Guest: Frederick (fjh) Hirsch
15:33:18 <phila> Guest: Annette (annette_g) Greiner
15:33:19 <phila> Guest: The (SalonA) Room
15:33:20 <phila> Guest: Addison (addison) Philipps
15:33:21 <phila> Guest: Fabien (fabien-gandon) Gandon
15:33:22 <phila> Guest: Nigel (NigelMegitt) Megitt
15:33:22 <phila> Guest: Felix (fsasaki) Sasaki
15:33:23 <phila> People are still gathering here in the room.
Phil Archer: People are still gathering here in the room. ←
15:33:24 <Caroline__> ok! Please let me know when I should call
Caroline Burle: ok! Please let me know when I should call ←
15:33:25 <phila> It's still early morning here...
Phil Archer: It's still early morning here... ←
15:34:26 <Caroline__> Good morning! :)
Caroline Burle: Good morning! :) ←
15:38:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html raphael
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15:44:13 <hadleybeeman> Hi all! Official declaration that we'll be starting at 9:00 (in 15 mins)
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Hadley Beeman: Hi all! Official declaration that we'll be starting at 9:00 (in 15 mins) ←
15:44:22 <Caroline__> Ok! :)
Caroline Burle: Ok! :) ←
15:44:25 <hadleybeeman> :)
Hadley Beeman: :) ←
15:44:39 <hadleybeeman> Morning, gatemezi. I just said we'll be starting in 15 mins
Hadley Beeman: Morning, gatemezi. I just said we'll be starting in 15 mins ←
15:45:38 <gatemezi> Morning Hadley.. Thanks. Any other means to follow you remotely apart from Zakim ?
Ghislain Atemezing: Morning Hadley.. Thanks. Any other means to follow you remotely apart from Zakim ? ←
15:47:34 <phila> zakim, call SalonA
Phil Archer: zakim, call SalonA ←
15:47:34 <Zakim> ok, phila; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila; the call is being made ←
15:47:35 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()11:30AM has now started
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15:47:37 <Zakim> +SalonA
Zakim IRC Bot: +SalonA ←
15:48:16 <raphael> Present+ Raphael_Troncy
Raphaël Troncy: Present+ Raphael_Troncy ←
15:49:12 <phila> zakim, SalonA has Jeremy_Tandy, Laufer, Ig, JeniT, Bart, Chunming, Eric_Kauz, raphael, hadleybeeman, phila, Olivier, Annette, Erik_Mannens
Phil Archer: zakim, SalonA has Jeremy_Tandy, Laufer, Ig, JeniT, Bart, Chunming, Eric_Kauz, raphael, hadleybeeman, phila, Olivier, Annette, Erik_Mannens ←
15:49:13 <Zakim> +Jeremy_Tandy, Laufer, Ig, JeniT, Bart, Chunming, Eric_Kauz, raphael, hadleybeeman, phila, Olivier, Annette, Erik_Mannens; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeremy_Tandy, Laufer, Ig, JeniT, Bart, Chunming, Eric_Kauz, raphael, hadleybeeman, phila, Olivier, Annette, Erik_Mannens; got it ←
15:50:55 <Zakim> +RiccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: +RiccardoAlbertoni ←
15:51:39 <phila> zakim, salona has Kirby_Shabaga
Phil Archer: zakim, salona has Kirby_Shabaga ←
15:51:40 <Zakim> +Kirby_Shabaga; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kirby_Shabaga; got it ←
15:52:09 <phila> zakim, salona has Gary_Driscoll
Phil Archer: zakim, salona has Gary_Driscoll ←
15:52:09 <Zakim> +Gary_Driscoll; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gary_Driscoll; got it ←
15:52:50 <phila> chair: Hadley
15:52:58 <phila> Topic: Intro to the day
15:53:29 <phila> hadleybeeman: We plan to cover the big picture topic, what is the scope, what do we have the capacity to do etc.
Hadley Beeman: We plan to cover the big picture topic, what is the scope, what do we have the capacity to do etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
15:53:56 <phila> ... More importantly I'm hoping we can get stuff writen down, work through issues, perhaps writing/editing as we go
Phil Archer: ... More importantly I'm hoping we can get stuff writen down, work through issues, perhaps writing/editing as we go ←
15:54:15 <phila> ... we'll spend this morning reviuewing the requirements in the BP doc
Phil Archer: ... we'll spend this morning reviuewing the requirements in the BP doc ←
15:54:24 <phila> ... ideally ending with a long list of issues in the tracker
Phil Archer: ... ideally ending with a long list of issues in the tracker ←
15:54:40 <phila> ... this PM we'll split into groups and work on the BP doc and the 2 vocabs
Phil Archer: ... this PM we'll split into groups and work on the BP doc and the 2 vocabs ←
15:54:55 <phila> ... may come back with specific questions for the group
Phil Archer: ... may come back with specific questions for the group ←
15:55:02 <phila> ... likely to spread into tomorrow morning
Phil Archer: ... likely to spread into tomorrow morning ←
15:55:14 <phila> ... ideally we want Editor's drafts by end of tomorrow
Phil Archer: ... ideally we want Editor's drafts by end of tomorrow ←
15:55:26 <phila> ... we need to think about the use cases that we have
Phil Archer: ... we need to think about the use cases that we have ←
15:55:40 <phila> ... there seem to be UCs in our heads that need to be in the UCR doc
Phil Archer: ... there seem to be UCs in our heads that need to be in the UCR doc ←
15:55:59 <phila> ... and we want to make the most of having everyoine here. So we need feedback and suggestions for making the best use of the time
Phil Archer: ... and we want to make the most of having everyoine here. So we need feedback and suggestions for making the best use of the time ←
15:56:05 <phila> scribe: philA
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
15:56:09 <phila> scribeNick:philA
15:56:30 <phila> bernadette: Before we split into groups I'd like to talk about the structure of the BP doc
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Before we split into groups I'd like to talk about the structure of the BP doc ←
15:56:37 <phila> hadleybeeman: OK, but probably tomorrow afternoon
Hadley Beeman: OK, but probably tomorrow afternoon ←
15:57:06 <phila> zakim, SalonA has Vagner_Br, Bernadette
zakim, SalonA has Vagner_Br, Bernadette ←
15:57:06 <Zakim> +Vagner_Br, Bernadette; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vagner_Br, Bernadette; got it ←
15:57:12 <phila> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
15:57:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see SalonA, RiccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SalonA, RiccardoAlbertoni ←
15:57:13 <Zakim> SalonA has Vagner_Br, Bernadette
Zakim IRC Bot: SalonA has Vagner_Br, Bernadette ←
15:57:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vagner_Br, chunming, Ig_Bittencourt, laufer, jtandy, raphael, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, JeniT, ericstephan, CarlosIglesias, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, BartvanLeeuwen,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vagner_Br, chunming, Ig_Bittencourt, laufer, jtandy, raphael, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, JeniT, ericstephan, CarlosIglesias, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, BartvanLeeuwen, ←
15:57:13 <Zakim> ... RiccardoAlbertoni, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... RiccardoAlbertoni, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
15:57:44 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
15:59:56 <phila> Topic: Intros
16:00:30 <phila> Tour de Table
Tour de Table ←
16:00:45 <phila> raphael: From EURECOM. Ghislain is one of my colleagues
Raphaël Troncy: From EURECOM. Ghislain is one of my colleagues ←
16:00:56 <phila> (Only scribing guests)
(Only scribing guests) ←
16:01:24 <phila> chunming: From China Host, observing today but work on data in China
Chunming Hu: From China Host, observing today but work on big data in China ←
16:01:26 <Zakim> +Caroline_
Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline_ ←
16:01:38 <raphael> s/work on data/work on big data/
16:01:49 <phila> Gary_Driscoll: Interested in all things data
Gary Driscoll: Interested in all things data ←
16:01:58 <phila> JeniT: From ODI, co-chair of CSVW
Jeni Tennison: From ODI, co-chair of CSVW ←
16:02:44 <phila> zakim, SalonA has Ken_Laskey
zakim, SalonA has Ken_Laskey ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> +Ken_Laskey; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken_Laskey; got it ←
16:03:01 <phila> zakim, salona has Reinaldo
zakim, salona has Reinaldo ←
16:03:01 <Zakim> +Reinaldo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Reinaldo; got it ←
16:03:49 <BernadetteLoscio> hello Carol!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: hello Carol! ←
16:04:11 <phila> jtandy: I'm jeremy Tandy from the UK Met Office. I'm an observer here but interested in taking down the barriers to others reusing data. Unanticiapted reuse is what we're aiming for
Jeremy Tandy: I'm jeremy Tandy from the UK Met Office. I'm an observer here but interested in taking down the barriers to others reusing data. Unanticiapted reuse is what we're aiming for ←
16:04:55 <phila> AdrianoC From University of ?? where we work on data consumption. We're trying to complement and add value to what we call data enrichment
AdrianoC From University of Minas Gerais, Brazil where we work on data consumption. We're trying to complement and add value to what we call data enrichment ←
16:05:09 <Ig_Bittencourt> Adrian from University of Minas Gerais
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Adrian from University of Minas Gerais ←
16:05:14 <phila> Olivier: I'm from the BBC
Olivier Thereaux: I'm from the BBC ←
16:05:32 <phila> annette_g: I work at the Lawrence Livermore Lab in the super computer centre
Annette Greiner: I work at the Lawrence Berkeley Lab in the super computer centre ←
16:05:48 <phila> Kirby: I'm with Boeing in Seattle
Kirby Shabaga: I'm with Boeing in Seattle ←
16:06:02 <phila> reinaldo: I work in W3C Brasil office, observing today
Reinaldo Ferraz: I work in W3C Brasil office, observing today ←
16:06:18 <phila> ErikM: I'm observing today but my team is involved in a lot of groups
Erik Mannens: I'm observing today but my team is involved in a lot of groups ←
16:06:30 <phila> kenl: I'm with MITRE Corp
Ken Laskey: I'm with MITRE Corp ←
16:06:31 <annette_g> s/Lawrence LIvermore/Lawrence Berkeley
Annette Greiner: s/Lawrence LIvermore/Lawrence Berkeley (warning: replacement failed) ←
16:06:41 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:06:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see SalonA, RiccardoAlbertoni, Caroline_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SalonA, RiccardoAlbertoni, Caroline_ ←
16:06:42 <Zakim> SalonA has Reinaldo
Zakim IRC Bot: SalonA has Reinaldo ←
16:06:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, AdrianoC, olivier, BernadetteLoscio, Vagner_Br, chunming, Ig_Bittencourt, laufer, jtandy, raphael, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, JeniT, ericstephan,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annette_g, Caroline, AdrianoC, olivier, BernadetteLoscio, Vagner_Br, chunming, Ig_Bittencourt, laufer, jtandy, raphael, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, JeniT, ericstephan, ←
16:06:42 <Zakim> ... CarlosIglesias, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, BartvanLeeuwen, RiccardoAlbertoni, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... CarlosIglesias, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, BartvanLeeuwen, RiccardoAlbertoni, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
16:06:56 <annette_g> s/Lawrence Livermore/Lawrence Berkeley
16:08:56 <phila> hadleybeeman: Explains overall aim of the WG
Hadley Beeman: Explains overall aim of the WG ←
16:09:30 <phila> hadleybeeman: We're not a Linked data WG. We have a broad aim therefore. 2 quite specific vocabs and a general best practices doc
Hadley Beeman: We're not a Linked data WG. We have a broad aim therefore. 2 quite specific vocabs and a general best practices doc ←
16:09:38 <phila> ... the use cases provide the grounding of course
... the use cases provide the grounding of course ←
16:09:39 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/ ←
16:10:23 <Vagner_Br> s/??/Minas Gerais, Brazil
16:10:28 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
16:10:29 <phila> hadleybeeman: Please keep thinking about use cases that we're missisng
Hadley Beeman: Please keep thinking about use cases that we're missisng ←
16:11:04 <hadleybeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)
16:11:40 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#requirements-1 Requirements
Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#requirements-1 Requirements ←
16:11:46 <ericstephan> phila: To make the best use of the time that we have we will skip the use cases and focus on requirements
Phil Archer: To make the best use of the time that we have we will skip the use cases and focus on requirements [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
16:11:55 <hadleybeeman> scribe: ericstephan
(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)
16:12:44 <ericstephan> phila: It would be really good for people to go thru the use cases and make sure that everything is complete. For the interest of time we will go thru the requirements together. If we are missing a requirement now is the time to add new requirements.
Phil Archer: It would be really good for people to go thru the use cases and make sure that everything is complete. For the interest of time we will go thru the requirements together. If we are missing a requirement now is the time to add new requirements. ←
16:13:13 <ericstephan> Bernadette: Will we also filter out requirements to determine scope?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Will we also filter out requirements to determine scope? ←
16:13:38 <ericstephan> phila: We need to bring the use cases to something manageable
Phil Archer: We need to bring the use cases to something manageable ←
16:14:18 <ericstephan> The requirements are in different clusters and for most use cases you can follow the links that pertain to the use cases in the document.
The requirements are in different clusters and for most use cases you can follow the links that pertain to the use cases in the document. ←
16:14:46 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
16:14:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see SalonA, RiccardoAlbertoni, Caroline_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SalonA, RiccardoAlbertoni, Caroline_ ←
16:14:47 <Zakim> SalonA has Reinaldo
Zakim IRC Bot: SalonA has Reinaldo ←
16:14:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh, em, kirby, annette_g, Caroline, AdrianoC, olivier, BernadetteLoscio, Vagner_Br, chunming, Ig_Bittencourt, laufer, jtandy, raphael, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, JeniT,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fjh, em, kirby, annette_g, Caroline, AdrianoC, olivier, BernadetteLoscio, Vagner_Br, chunming, Ig_Bittencourt, laufer, jtandy, raphael, gatemezi, Eric_Kauz, JeniT, ←
16:14:47 <Zakim> ... ericstephan, CarlosIglesias, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, BartvanLeeuwen, RiccardoAlbertoni, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericstephan, CarlosIglesias, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, BartvanLeeuwen, RiccardoAlbertoni, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
16:14:55 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
Frederick Hirsch: rrsagent, generate minutes ←
16:14:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html fjh
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html fjh ←
16:15:51 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
16:16:03 <Caroline> +q
Caroline Burle: +q ←
16:17:10 <ericstephan> phila: All the requirements have been derived from use cases. Some requirements are absolutely basic baby steps.
Phil Archer: All the requirements have been derived from use cases. Some requirements are absolutely basic baby steps. ←
16:17:34 <JeniT> q+
Jeni Tennison: q+ ←
16:17:47 <JeniT> q+ to ask about the choice of a *suitable* format
Jeni Tennison: q+ to ask about the choice of a *suitable* format ←
16:17:48 <Caroline> q-
Caroline Burle: q- ←
16:17:58 <ericstephan> phila: Reviewing over section 4.1.1 requirements in UCR
Phil Archer: Reviewing over section 4.1.1 requirements in UCR ←
16:18:04 <hadleybeeman> ack jeni
Hadley Beeman: ack jeni ←
16:18:04 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to ask about the choice of a *suitable* format
Zakim IRC Bot: JeniT, you wanted to ask about the choice of a *suitable* format ←
16:18:49 <Caroline> Zakim, who is speaking?
Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
16:18:50 <ericstephan> JeniT: Is there a requirement for a suitable format? If you are publishing for geographic data then you need a geographic format etc.
Jeni Tennison: Is there a requirement for a suitable format? If you are publishing for geographic data then you need a geographic format etc. ←
16:19:01 <Zakim> Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
16:19:03 <ericstephan> JeniT is speaking @Caroline
JeniT is speaking @Caroline ←
16:19:08 <hadleybeeman> ?
Hadley Beeman: ? ←
16:19:11 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
16:19:57 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#requirements-1
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#requirements-1 ←
16:20:20 <ericstephan> phila: Yes JeniT we do need to include a requirement for a suitable format
Phil Archer: Yes JeniT we do need to include a requirement for a suitable format ←
16:20:22 <KenL> Is the question a single format or unambiguously identifying the format that is being used? Format =s will change and we need to understand how to interpret.
Ken Laskey: Is the question a single format or unambiguously identifying the format that is being used? Format =s will change and we need to understand how to interpret. ←
16:21:00 <hadleybeeman> @kenL: Sounds like we need to flesh that out
Hadley Beeman: @kenL: Sounds like we need to flesh that out ←
16:21:05 <ericstephan> phila: R-FormatLocalize requirement, different parts of the world write in different formats the local can make a big difference when sharing data
Phil Archer: R-FormatLocalize requirement, different parts of the world write in different formats the local can make a big difference when sharing data ←
16:21:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:21:51 <ericstephan> kenl: question on locale:: Is it your local or the locale of the data?
Ken Laskey: question on locale:: Is it your local or the locale of the data? ←
16:22:08 <ericstephan> bernadette: is it a requirement for data format or metadata?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: is it a requirement for data format or metadata? ←
16:22:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
16:22:44 <ericstephan> phila: It is a requirement for the information about the data.
Phil Archer: It is a requirement for the information about the data. ←
16:23:19 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:23:31 <hadleybeeman> action: phil to add a requirement for a suitable format (as per jenit's suggestion)
ACTION: phil to add a requirement for a suitable format (as per jenit's suggestion) ←
16:23:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Add a requirement for a suitable format (as per jenit's suggestion) [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-106 - Add a requirement for a suitable format (as per jenit's suggestion) [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06]. ←
16:23:32 <ericstephan> phila: The meaning about localize needs to become clearer.
Phil Archer: The meaning about localize needs to become clearer. ←
16:23:54 <hadleybeeman> action: phil to clarify RFormatLocalize according to questions in the F2F discussion
ACTION: phil to clarify RFormatLocalize according to questions in the F2F discussion ←
16:23:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Clarify rformatlocalize according to questions in the f2f discussion [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-107 - Clarify rformatlocalize according to questions in the f2f discussion [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06]. ←
16:23:59 <ericstephan> phila: ....localize and format
Phil Archer: ....localize and format ←
16:24:09 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
16:24:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
Bart van Leeuwen: q- ←
16:24:28 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
16:24:36 <ericstephan> bart: need to be making issues and actions as we go along.
Bart van Leeuwen: need to be making issues and actions as we go along. ←
16:25:28 <ericstephan> laufer: There are layers in data and metadata information. Do we need to clarify inheritance when we discuss collections
Carlos Laufer: There are layers in data and metadata information. Do we need to clarify inheritance when we discuss collections ←
16:26:20 <ericstephan> phila: There is no requirement that covers inheritance, the current requirement for granularity doesn't cover it.
Phil Archer: There is no requirement that covers inheritance, the current requirement for granularity doesn't cover it. ←
16:26:23 <hadleybeeman> action: phil to amend/expand R-GranularityLevels to cover Laufer's question about inheritance —metadata for the data itself and for the dataset
ACTION: phil to amend/expand R-GranularityLevels to cover Laufer's question about inheritance —metadata for the data itself and for the dataset ←
16:26:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Amend/expand r-granularitylevels to cover laufer's question about inheritance —metadata for the data itself and for the dataset [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-108 - Amend/expand r-granularitylevels to cover laufer's question about inheritance —metadata for the data itself and for the dataset [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06]. ←
16:26:31 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
16:26:47 <ericstephan> Hi Sumit!
Hi Sumit! ←
16:26:50 <JeniT> q+ to ask whether vocabularies cover code lists
Jeni Tennison: q+ to ask whether vocabularies cover code lists ←
16:26:51 <hadleybeeman> hello Sumit!
Hadley Beeman: hello Sumit! ←
16:26:57 <SumitPurohit> Hi Eric
Sumit Purohit: Hi Eric ←
16:26:59 <raphael> q+ what is a "reference vocabularies"?
Raphaël Troncy: q+ what is a "reference vocabularies"? ←
16:27:06 <SumitPurohit> Hello Hedley
Sumit Purohit: Hello Hedley ←
16:27:11 <hadleybeeman> ack jeni
Hadley Beeman: ack jeni ←
16:27:11 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to ask whether vocabularies cover code lists
Zakim IRC Bot: JeniT, you wanted to ask whether vocabularies cover code lists ←
16:27:24 <raphael> q+ to ask what is a "reference vocabularies"?
Raphaël Troncy: q+ to ask what is a "reference vocabularies"? ←
16:27:30 <ericstephan> phila: 4.1.2 discussed data vocabularies section
Phil Archer: 4.1.2 discussed data vocabularies section ←
16:27:43 <jtandy> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
16:27:46 <Zakim> + +1.509.372.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.372.aaaa ←
16:27:53 <Zakim> - +1.509.372.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.372.aaaa ←
16:27:57 <jtandy> q-
Jeremy Tandy: q- ←
16:28:10 <Zakim> + +1.509.372.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.372.aabb ←
16:28:45 <jtandy> +1 to JeniT's comment about separating the "vocabulary data model" requirement from the "vocabulary code list" requirement
Jeremy Tandy: +1 to JeniT's comment about separating the "vocabulary data model" requirement from the "vocabulary code list" requirement ←
16:28:51 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
16:29:08 <ericstephan> jeniT: Is this about the format, we need to publish data that relates to code lists if they are available
Jeni Tennison: Is this about the format, we need to publish data that relates to code lists if they are available ←
16:29:11 <KenL> Shouldn't any vocabulary be covered and be able to be uniquely identified?
Ken Laskey: Shouldn't any vocabulary be covered and be able to be uniquely identified? ←
16:29:29 <ericstephan> jeniT: It is very much like vocabularies..
Jeni Tennison: It is very much like vocabularies.. ←
16:30:11 <ericstephan> bernadette: I think we had that in mind but maybe more focused on ontology specific vocabularies to supply the meaning.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we had that in mind but maybe more focused on ontology specific vocabularies to supply the meaning. ←
16:30:32 <gatemezi> what about using a vocabulary such as SKOS for publishing code list ?
Ghislain Atemezing: what about using a vocabulary such as SKOS for publishing code list ? ←
16:31:07 <ericstephan> phila: currently the ucr doesn't include code lists....does the use cases include code lists? This is an issue
Phil Archer: currently the ucr doesn't include code lists....does the use cases include code lists? This is an issue ←
16:31:25 <ericstephan> laufer: A code list is a foreign key?
Carlos Laufer: A code list is a foreign key? ←
16:31:30 <hadleybeeman> issue: phil to look at whether the UCR doc sufficiently covers code lists
ISSUE: phil to look at whether the UCR doc sufficiently covers code lists ←
16:31:30 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-48 - Phil to look at whether the ucr doc sufficiently covers code lists. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-48 - Phil to look at whether the ucr doc sufficiently covers code lists. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48/edit>. ←
16:31:33 <ericstephan> phila: Yes it is, it has to be there.
Phil Archer: Yes it is, it has to be there. ←
16:31:49 <ericstephan> bart: If you don't have it you don't have a clue what the data means
Bart van Leeuwen: If you don't have it you don't have a clue what the data means ←
16:31:55 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
16:32:00 <hadleybeeman> ack raphael
Hadley Beeman: ack raphael ←
16:32:00 <Zakim> raphael, you wanted to ask what is a "reference vocabularies"?
Zakim IRC Bot: raphael, you wanted to ask what is a "reference vocabularies"? ←
16:32:03 <SumitPurohit> Now voice is clear...
Sumit Purohit: Now voice is clear... ←
16:32:19 <ericstephan> raphael: I wonder if there is a definition of a reference vocabulary?
Raphaël Troncy: I wonder if there is a definition of a reference vocabulary? ←
16:32:43 <ericstephan> bernadette: We don't have a glossary....
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We don't have a glossary.... ←
16:33:29 <ericstephan> raphael: a glossary would be helpful.
Raphaël Troncy: a glossary would be helpful. ←
16:33:37 <KenL> q+ to ask if it matters what qualified as a vocabulary if way to identify is useful
Ken Laskey: q+ to ask if it matters what qualified as a vocabulary if way to identify is useful ←
16:33:42 <jtandy> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
16:33:56 <jtandy> q-
Jeremy Tandy: q- ←
16:33:57 <ericstephan> phila: There are w3c documents around we need to point to them or expand upon them
Phil Archer: There are w3c documents around we need to point to them or expand upon them ←
16:34:03 <hadleybeeman> issue: Phil to Either improve on the definition of "reference vocabulary", or point to existing definitions
ISSUE: Phil to Either improve on the definition of "reference vocabulary", or point to existing definitions ←
16:34:03 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-49 - Phil to either improve on the definition of "reference vocabulary", or point to existing definitions. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/49/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-49 - Phil to either improve on the definition of "reference vocabulary", or point to existing definitions. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/49/edit>. ←
16:34:25 <hadleybeeman> ack ig
Hadley Beeman: ack ig ←
16:34:26 <jtandy> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
16:34:29 <hadleybeeman> ack ken
Hadley Beeman: ack ken ←
16:34:29 <Zakim> KenL, you wanted to ask if it matters what qualified as a vocabulary if way to identify is useful
Zakim IRC Bot: KenL, you wanted to ask if it matters what qualified as a vocabulary if way to identify is useful ←
16:34:43 <raphael> There are many dimensions that can be use (authority, persistency, popularity, etc.) to decide whether a vocabulary is a reference one or not. Perhaps one could at this stage provides examples of reference vocabularies and others that are not
Raphaël Troncy: There are many dimensions that can be use (authority, persistency, popularity, etc.) to decide whether a vocabulary is a reference one or not. Perhaps one could at this stage provides examples of reference vocabularies and others that are not ←
16:35:01 <ericstephan> kenl: What qualifies as a vocabulary? If you can have something that is well documented can't the vocabulary be more fluid?
Ken Laskey: What qualifies as a vocabulary? If you can have something that is well documented can't the vocabulary be more fluid? ←
16:35:23 <ericstephan> hadley: Are we talking about the definition of a vocabulary or reference to vocabulary?
Hadley Beeman: Are we talking about the definition of a vocabulary or reference to vocabulary? ←
16:35:27 <CarlosIglesias> wondering whether "vocabulary" is a too semantic web/linked data biassed terms
Carlos Iglesias: wondering whether "vocabulary" is a too semantic web/linked data biassed terms ←
16:35:32 <ericstephan> kenl: I don't know if I care...
Ken Laskey: I don't know if I care... ←
16:35:47 <CarlosIglesias> we may be talking more generically about "data models"
Carlos Iglesias: we may be talking more generically about "data models" ←
16:36:05 <gatemezi> me Caroline, sue this link http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/49/edit
Ghislain Atemezing: me Caroline, use this link http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/isuses/49/edit ←
16:36:13 <gatemezi> s/sue/use
16:36:16 <ericstephan> kenl: URIs to identify vocabularies if I think its one and you think its one, that's ok
Ken Laskey: URIs to identify vocabularies if I think its one and you think its one, that's ok ←
16:36:24 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
16:36:35 <hadleybeeman> ack jtandy
Hadley Beeman: ack jtandy ←
16:37:19 <ericstephan> Jtandy: One of the things that inhibits people is knowing which vocabulary to use. Helping people use to start with would be a great outcome and take away the excuse
Jeremy Tandy: One of the things that inhibits people is knowing which vocabulary to use. Helping people use to start with would be a great outcome and take away the excuse ←
16:37:36 <hadleybeeman> q+ to respond re recommending vocabs
Hadley Beeman: q+ to respond re recommending vocabs ←
16:37:41 <ericstephan> Jtandy: establishing a procedure for where to look would be really useful
Jeremy Tandy: establishing a procedure for where to look would be really useful ←
16:38:07 <SumitPurohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
16:38:11 <hadleybeeman> ack ig
Hadley Beeman: ack ig ←
16:38:18 <ericstephan> Ig_Bittencourt: The reference vocabulary should take into account of ontological commitment. I advocate the use of ontology
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: The reference vocabulary should take into account of ontological commitment. I advocate the use of ontology ←
16:39:09 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
16:39:15 <ericstephan> hadley: I agree with Jtandys point but at the same time recommending vocabularies for an infinite number of use cases might be a very hard problem
Hadley Beeman: I agree with Jtandys point but at the same time recommending vocabularies for an infinite number of use cases might be a very hard problem ←
16:39:16 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:39:32 <gatemezi> Jtandy : There was an attempt in a previous WG on how to find/look for vocabularies. Maybe this link here http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/#VOCABULARIES can be a good starter to look at
Ghislain Atemezing: Jtandy : There was an attempt in a previous WG on how to find/look for vocabularies. Maybe this link here http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/#VOCABULARIES can be a good starter to look at ←
16:39:35 <hadleybeeman> q+ jtandy
Hadley Beeman: q+ jtandy ←
16:40:13 <ericstephan> sumit: I have a suggestion, we should explicitly say what we mean by vocabulary so we will be on the same page. We should take it as an action item to define what we mean
Sumit Purohit: I have a suggestion, we should explicitly say what we mean by vocabulary so we will be on the same page. We should take it as an action item to define what we mean ←
16:40:17 <hadleybeeman> ack sumit
Hadley Beeman: ack sumit ←
16:40:19 <KenL> q+ saying terms and definitions was meant as an example and not a firm recommendation. Also, choosing vocabulary can be matter of policy or current practice, and these may change. Identifying vocabulary is important point and is first step to mediating between vocabularies.
Ken Laskey: q+ saying terms and definitions was meant as an example and not a firm recommendation. Also, choosing vocabulary can be matter of policy or current practice, and these may change. Identifying vocabulary is important point and is first step to mediating between vocabularies. ←
16:40:21 <hadleybeeman> ack me
Hadley Beeman: ack me ←
16:40:22 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond re recommending vocabs
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to respond re recommending vocabs ←
16:40:25 <yaso> q-
Yaso Córdova: q- ←
16:40:34 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
16:40:58 <KenL> q+ to sayi terms and definitions was meant as an example and not a firm recommendation. Also, choosing vocabulary can be matter of policy or current practice, and these may change. Identifying vocabulary is important point and is first step to mediating between vocabularies.
Ken Laskey: q+ to sayi terms and definitions was meant as an example and not a firm recommendation. Also, choosing vocabulary can be matter of policy or current practice, and these may change. Identifying vocabulary is important point and is first step to mediating between vocabularies. ←
16:41:28 <ericstephan> laufer: we are talking about suggestions for vocabulary that could be useful. This would be a huge problem, we should restrict the metadata about the collection ....
Carlos Laufer: we are talking about suggestions for vocabulary that could be useful. This would be a huge problem, we should restrict the metadata about the collection .... ←
16:41:51 <hadleybeeman> ack j
Hadley Beeman: ack j ←
16:42:14 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:42:21 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ isn't this part of best practices?
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ isn't this part of best practices? ←
16:42:28 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
16:42:35 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ to isn't this part of best practices?
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ to isn't this part of best practices? ←
16:42:44 <ericstephan> jtandy: responding back to hadley, I wasn't advocating a list of vocabularys that would be obsolete very quickly. I am advocating a way of registering vocabularies to find the things that may or may not be useful to them
Jeremy Tandy: responding back to hadley, I wasn't advocating a list of vocabularys that would be obsolete very quickly. I am advocating a way of registering vocabularies to find the things that may or may not be useful to them ←
16:42:51 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
16:43:15 <hadleybeeman> ack ken
Hadley Beeman: ack ken ←
16:43:15 <Zakim> KenL, you wanted to sayi terms and definitions was meant as an example and not a firm recommendation. Also, choosing vocabulary can be matter of policy or current practice, and
Zakim IRC Bot: KenL, you wanted to sayi terms and definitions was meant as an example and not a firm recommendation. Also, choosing vocabulary can be matter of policy or current practice, and ←
16:43:18 <Zakim> ... these may change. Identifying vocabulary is important point and is first step to mediating between vocabularies.
Zakim IRC Bot: ... these may change. Identifying vocabulary is important point and is first step to mediating between vocabularies. ←
16:43:43 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
16:43:57 <hadleybeeman> ack bernadette
Hadley Beeman: ack bernadette ←
16:44:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:44:07 <ericstephan> kenL: I didn't want to get into definitions of vocabularies, this might change from case to case
Ken Laskey: I didn't want to get into definitions of vocabularies, this might change from case to case ←
16:44:15 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
16:44:15 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
16:44:21 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso
Hadley Beeman: ack yaso ←
16:44:44 <ericstephan> yaso: We should recommend best practices on making vocabularies?
Yaso Córdova: We should recommend best practices on making vocabularies? ←
16:44:46 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:45:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
Bart van Leeuwen: ack me ←
16:45:00 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
16:45:01 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to isn't this part of best practices?
Zakim IRC Bot: BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to isn't this part of best practices? ←
16:45:34 <ericstephan> bart: I am wondering if this is something that goes to vocabularies about best practices to select vocabularies
Bart van Leeuwen: I am wondering if this is something that goes to vocabularies about best practices to select vocabularies ←
16:45:34 <laufer> +1 to bart
Carlos Laufer: +1 to bart ←
16:45:37 <hadleybeeman> ack ig
Hadley Beeman: ack ig ←
16:45:57 <Ig_Bittencourt> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/ ←
16:46:01 <ericstephan> Ig_Bittencourt: I agree with Ken and Raphael, not to propose a vocabulary but a place for people to find the vocabulary.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I agree with Ken and Raphael, not to propose a vocabulary but a place for people to find the vocabulary. ←
16:46:36 <ericstephan> Ig_Bittencourt: To Yaso are we interested in how to use a vocabulary or create a vocabulary
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: To Yaso are we interested in how to use a vocabulary or create a vocabulary ←
16:46:43 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
16:46:46 <hadleybeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)
16:47:22 <KenL> so one piece of metadata for a vocabulary would be the documented formalism in which the vocabulary is expressed.
Ken Laskey: so one piece of metadata for a vocabulary would be the documented formalism in which the vocabulary is expressed. ←
16:47:24 <hadleybeeman> phila: Thanks to all — I don't disagree with anything I've heard. I've written about how you choose a vocab in W3C namespace and European Commission sites.
Phil Archer: Thanks to all — I don't disagree with anything I've heard. I've written about how you choose a vocab in W3C namespace and European Commission sites. ←
16:47:48 <hadleybeeman> ... It does list some vocabularies. Schema.org, Dublin Core, etc. That could be found and incorporated/improved upon.
... It does list some vocabularies. Schema.org, Dublin Core, etc. That could be found and incorporated/improved upon. ←
16:48:00 <hadleybeeman> ... LOV — linked open vocabularies — is a project run by Raphael.
... LOV — linked open vocabularies — is a project run by Raphael. ←
16:48:23 <hadleybeeman> ... If you're thinking of coming up for a term for a bus, it tells you all the schemas and vocabularies that have anything to do with the term "bus".
... If you're thinking of coming up for a term for a bus, it tells you all the schemas and vocabularies that have anything to do with the term "bus". ←
16:48:35 <hadleybeeman> ... The Research Data Alliance are tryign to build something similar
... The Research Data Alliance are tryign to build something similar ←
16:48:49 <ericstephan> @hadleybeeman I can take over again
Eric Stephan: @hadleybeeman I can take over again ←
16:48:56 <gatemezi> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/search?q=bus
Ghislain Atemezing: http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/search?q=bus ←
16:48:56 <hadleybeeman> ... On new vocabularies: It is a different subject, but we have been offered some useful text on that by the Multilingual Web group
... On new vocabularies: It is a different subject, but we have been offered some useful text on that by the Multilingual Web group ←
16:49:01 <hadleybeeman> scribe: ericstephan
(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)
16:49:04 <fjh> https://rd-alliance.org
Frederick Hirsch: https://rd-alliance.org ←
16:49:45 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
16:49:53 <jtandy> @gatemezi ... wow, there are 73 results already for http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/search?q=bus
Jeremy Tandy: @gatemezi ... wow, there are 73 results already for http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/search?q=bus ←
16:49:59 <hadleybeeman> ack bernadette
Hadley Beeman: ack bernadette ←
16:50:06 <ericstephan> phila: To summarize yes we are talking requirements, kens point is really well taken not defining to narrowly, provide guidance and the bp document should provide this
Phil Archer: To summarize yes we are talking requirements, kens point is really well taken not defining to narrowly, provide guidance and the bp document should provide this ←
16:50:10 <SumitPurohit> +1 Phil
Sumit Purohit: +1 Phil ←
16:51:03 <gatemezi> @jtandy.. yep! More details on the right column: 49 classes, 24 properties... and the domain of the vocabularies ;
Ghislain Atemezing: @jtandy.. yep! More details on the right column: 49 classes, 24 properties... and the domain of the vocabularies ; ←
16:51:23 <ericstephan> bernadette: We are going to have requirements for vocabularys themselves and best practices for vocabularies themselves. We need more than what we currently have to help guide this.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We are going to have requirements for vocabularys themselves and best practices for vocabularies themselves. We need more than what we currently have to help guide this. ←
16:51:48 <ericstephan> bernadette: If we are going to work on vocabularies we need this tree and more
Bernadette Farias Loscio: If we are going to work on vocabularies we need this tree and more ←
16:51:57 <ericstephan> bernadette: pointing to 4.1.2
Bernadette Farias Loscio: pointing to 4.1.2 ←
16:52:21 <hadleybeeman> issue: Bernadette to help us find more use cases on the vocabulary itself (including creating a vocabulary)
ISSUE: Bernadette to help us find more use cases on the vocabulary itself (including creating a vocabulary) ←
16:52:21 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-50 - Bernadette to help us find more use cases on the vocabulary itself (including creating a vocabulary). Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/50/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-50 - Bernadette to help us find more use cases on the vocabulary itself (including creating a vocabulary). Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/50/edit>. ←
16:52:27 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
16:52:34 <ericstephan> bernadette: when I look at 4.1.2 this is not for people using the vocabularies not the people creating the vocabularies
Bernadette Farias Loscio: when I look at 4.1.2 this is not for people using the vocabularies it is for the people creating the vocabularies ←
16:52:57 <ericstephan> s/not the people/it is for the people/
16:53:13 <jtandy> q+ to ask if we should talk about "discovery metadata"
Jeremy Tandy: q+ to ask if we should talk about "discovery metadata" ←
16:53:17 <JeniT> q+ to ask whether there are particular metadata requirements
Jeni Tennison: q+ to ask whether there are particular metadata requirements ←
16:53:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:53:26 <ericstephan> phila: 4.1.3 Are there other requirements for metadata?
Phil Archer: 4.1.3 Are there other requirements for metadata? ←
16:53:28 <phila> ack jtandy
Phil Archer: ack jtandy ←
16:53:29 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask if we should talk about "discovery metadata"
Zakim IRC Bot: jtandy, you wanted to ask if we should talk about "discovery metadata" ←
16:53:33 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
16:54:25 <ericstephan> jtandy: when I see the word metadata, its so broad in its meaning, do we want to refine the metadata to define as discovery metadata usage metadata (which is much richer)
Jeremy Tandy: when I see the word metadata, its so broad in its meaning, do we want to refine the metadata to define as discovery metadata usage metadata (which is much richer) ←
16:54:44 <annette_g> * +1 for usage metadata
Annette Greiner: * +1 for usage metadata ←
16:54:46 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
16:55:02 <ericstephan> jtandy: for scoping I recommend focusing on discovery metadata...
Jeremy Tandy: for scoping I recommend focusing on discovery metadata... ←
16:55:03 <phila> ack JeniT
Phil Archer: ack JeniT ←
16:55:03 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to ask whether there are particular metadata requirements
Zakim IRC Bot: JeniT, you wanted to ask whether there are particular metadata requirements ←
16:55:15 <ericstephan> phila: I agree and I think we will need to have some usage metadata
Phil Archer: I agree and I think we will need to have some usage metadata ←
16:55:29 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
16:55:41 <Zakim> +SumitPurohit
Zakim IRC Bot: +SumitPurohit ←
16:55:45 <Zakim> - +1.509.372.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.372.aabb ←
16:55:51 <KenL> q+ to say distinguishing discovery metadata vs. use metadata is sometimes a slippery distinction because what I would use as a criteria for discovery could be what you want for use (and other variations)
Ken Laskey: q+ to say distinguishing discovery metadata vs. use metadata is sometimes a slippery distinction because what I would use as a criteria for discovery could be what you want for use (and other variations) ←
16:55:57 <ericstephan> bernadette: We are thinking about different kinds of metadata
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We are thinking about different kinds of metadata ←
16:56:14 <KenL> best not to try to silo the metadata
Ken Laskey: best not to try to silo the metadata ←
16:56:34 <Eric_Kauz> +1
16:56:44 <ericstephan> bernadette: We haven't defined this yet we should consider what laufer said about the levels. Some metadata related to collection and some related to the data itself.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We haven't defined this yet we should consider what laufer said about the levels. Some metadata related to collection and some related to the data itself. ←
16:57:20 <ericstephan> jtandy: We've steered away from provenance metadata at this point (csv working group)
Jeremy Tandy: We've steered away from provenance metadata at this point (csv working group) ←
16:57:28 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
16:57:51 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
16:58:11 <ericstephan> bernadette: The collection could consist of different kinds of data, the metadata can be nonspecific to each particular type of data in the data set.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: The collection could consist of different kinds of data, the metadata can be nonspecific to each particular type of data in the data set. ←
16:58:19 <jtandy> (or at least we've steered away from making a recommendation about inclusion of provenance metadata at this point in order to keep our scope tight)
Jeremy Tandy: (or at least we've steered away from making a recommendation about inclusion of provenance metadata at this point in order to keep our scope tight) ←
16:58:46 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
16:59:00 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
16:59:15 <ericstephan> laufer: We could classify the data by the collection or specific data schema. Someone could define a profile ....
Carlos Laufer: We could classify the data by the collection or specific data schema. Someone could define a profile .... ←
16:59:29 <hadleybeeman> q+ to talk about which metadata — and our scope
Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about which metadata — and our scope ←
16:59:51 <ericstephan> laufer: I think its a good hint that we don't have to focus on metadata for the schema
Carlos Laufer: I think its a good hint that we don't have to focus on metadata for the schema ←
16:59:56 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
16:59:59 <jtandy> q+ to ask how these requirements might actually be tested ... which might help determine if a given requirement should be included in the doc
Jeremy Tandy: q+ to ask how these requirements might actually be tested ... which might help determine if a given requirement should be included in the doc ←
17:00:08 <hadleybeeman> ack ken
Hadley Beeman: ack ken ←
17:00:08 <Zakim> KenL, you wanted to say distinguishing discovery metadata vs. use metadata is sometimes a slippery distinction because what I would use as a criteria for discovery could be what
Zakim IRC Bot: KenL, you wanted to say distinguishing discovery metadata vs. use metadata is sometimes a slippery distinction because what I would use as a criteria for discovery could be what ←
17:00:10 <ericstephan> laufer: data about the data, not to clarify the items of the schema.
Carlos Laufer: data about the data, not to clarify the items of the schema. ←
17:00:11 <Ig_Bittencourt> q-
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q- ←
17:00:11 <Zakim> ... you want for use (and other variations)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... you want for use (and other variations) ←
17:00:54 <hadleybeeman> ack hadley
Hadley Beeman: ack hadley ←
17:00:54 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to talk about which metadata — and our scope
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to talk about which metadata — and our scope ←
17:01:01 <ericstephan> kenl: If we are taking about different kinds of metadata on discover and usage. If you can keep it as flat as possible that's what I could recommend.
Ken Laskey: If we are taking about different kinds of metadata on discover and usage. If you can keep it as flat as possible that's what I could recommend. ←
17:01:49 <ericstephan> hadley: We could take on describing best practices for metadata and not be particularly useful. What is stopping other people for using my data?
Hadley Beeman: We could take on describing best practices for metadata and not be particularly useful. What is stopping other people for using my data? ←
17:02:20 <jtandy> ack jtandy
Jeremy Tandy: ack jtandy ←
17:02:20 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask how these requirements might actually be tested ... which might help determine if a given requirement should be included in the doc
Zakim IRC Bot: jtandy, you wanted to ask how these requirements might actually be tested ... which might help determine if a given requirement should be included in the doc ←
17:02:20 <hadleybeeman> ack j
Hadley Beeman: ack j ←
17:02:25 <ericstephan> hadley: If we think about about people not using my metadata because its not tidy? I am interested to hear what you have to say
Hadley Beeman: If we think about about people not using my metadata because its not tidy? I am interested to hear what you have to say ←
17:02:54 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
17:03:14 <ericstephan> jtandy: I agree hadley, you have to ask specific questions, how do you actually test these requirements? How are you going to demonstrate whether they work or not if you are going to put this in an IRC document?
Jeremy Tandy: I agree hadley, you have to ask specific questions, how do you actually test these requirements? How are you going to demonstrate whether they work or not if you are going to put this in an recommendation? ←
17:03:29 <ericstephan> s/IRC document/recommendation/
17:03:53 <Zakim> -SumitPurohit
Zakim IRC Bot: -SumitPurohit ←
17:04:17 <ericstephan> phila: Being able to think about this is useful, we do have to think about how the best practices are based on the requirements. How you validate this.
Phil Archer: Being able to think about this is useful, we do have to think about how the best practices are based on the requirements. How you validate this. ←
17:04:42 <ericstephan> jtandy: How do you validate this because its really hard to test?
Jeremy Tandy: How do you validate this because its really hard to test? ←
17:05:00 <KenL> q
Ken Laskey: q ←
17:05:06 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
17:05:23 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:05:24 <hadleybeeman> ack annette
Hadley Beeman: ack annette ←
17:05:32 <ericstephan> phila: We've got to be able to narrow down the scope because the current scope is vast.
Phil Archer: We've got to be able to narrow down the scope because the current scope is vast. ←
17:06:26 <ericstephan> annette: In the science world usage is a pervasive problem. Unless you can say this column represents this it is meaningless to others.
Annette Greiner: In the science world usage is a pervasive problem. Unless you can say this column represents this it is meaningless to others. ←
17:06:35 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
17:06:51 <hadleybeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)
17:07:33 <hadleybeeman> Bernadette: I'm not sure if we need a requirement of how to associate the metadata to the data collection? The collection will be a set of data, a set of files — the metadata will be in another file. We need a requirement to say how we are going to link these things.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure if we need a requirement of how to associate the metadata to the data collection? The collection will be a set of data, a set of files — the metadata will be in another file. We need a requirement to say how we are going to link these things. ←
17:07:53 <hadleybeeman> phila: It's in the requirements. R-Citable, asking for a persistent and unique identifier.
Phil Archer: It's in the requirements. R-Citable, asking for a persistent and unique identifier. ←
17:08:02 <hadleybeeman> Hadley: maybe we need to explain it a bit more?
Hadley Beeman: maybe we need to explain it a bit more? ←
17:08:14 <hadleybeeman> phila: If people are raising questions, we need to clarify it.
Phil Archer: If people are raising questions, we need to clarify it. ←
17:08:27 <hadleybeeman> jtandy: the metadata needs to cite the data, not the other way around.
Jeremy Tandy: the metadata needs to cite the data, not the other way around. ←
17:08:30 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:08:42 <hadleybeeman> ack erics
ack erics ←
17:08:59 <hadleybeeman> ericstephan: Re Validation: Are we allowed to specify technical approaches for best practices?
Eric Stephan: Re Validation: Are we allowed to specify technical approaches for best practices? ←
17:09:00 <hadleybeeman> phila: yes
Phil Archer: yes ←
17:09:24 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:09:35 <hadleybeeman> ericstephan: We've talked about using JSON, JSON-LD and RDF as examples for metadata. Choosing one or all of them.
Eric Stephan: We've talked about using JSON, JSON-LD and RDF as examples for metadata. Choosing one or all of them. ←
17:09:55 <jtandy> (what I meant was that the metadata should cite the data _and_ there should be a way to find the metadata from the data - e.g. like a link header)
Jeremy Tandy: (what I meant was that the metadata should cite the data _and_ there should be a way to find the metadata from the data - e.g. like a link header) ←
17:10:00 <hadleybeeman> q?
q? ←
17:10:05 <hadleybeeman> ack bernadette
ack bernadette ←
17:10:31 <gatemezi> @jtandy : now it's clear enough.. +1
Ghislain Atemezing: @jtandy : now it's clear enough.. +1 ←
17:10:33 <hadleybeeman> bernadette: for the best practices, we can have more than one implementation for a best practice. The technical approach can expressed be in different implementations
Bernadette Farias Loscio: for the best practices, we can have more than one implementation for a best practice. The technical approach can expressed be in different implementations ←
17:10:59 <hadleybeeman> philA: on to Requirements for Licenses.
Phil Archer: on to Requirements for Licenses. ←
17:11:28 <hadleybeeman> ... I'm sorry to report that an Eu project we thought might help didn't get funded. But we did say, and the ODI has made plain, that data should be associated with a license.
... I'm sorry to report that an Eu project we thought might help didn't get funded. But we did say, and the ODI has made plain, that data should be associated with a license. ←
17:11:38 <hadleybeeman> ...The ODI recommends rights rather than a license.
...The ODI recommends rights rather than a license. ←
17:11:42 <hadleybeeman> JeniT: Well, both
Jeni Tennison: Well, both ←
17:12:04 <hadleybeeman> Phila: This is more of a commercial angle stuff. What liability do you have as a user, or as a publisher?
Phil Archer: This is more of a commercial angle stuff. What liability do you have as a user, or as a publisher? ←
17:12:19 <jtandy> +1 ... and if you are publishing data under a free usage license then you should say so - not assume that people will infer that!
Jeremy Tandy: +1 ... and if you are publishing data under a free usage license then you should say so - not assume that people will infer that! ←
17:12:29 <hadleybeeman> ...We don't have the legal expertise to develop this, (what licenses are, or what right statements may be) — but this is explicitly out of scope for the group.
...We don't have the legal expertise to develop this, (what licenses are, or what right statements may be) — but this is explicitly out of scope for the group. ←
17:12:35 <hadleybeeman> ...We can just say "stick a license on it."
...We can just say "stick a license on it." ←
17:12:37 <JeniT> q+ to say it should also say rights are explicit
Jeni Tennison: q+ to say it should also say rights are explicit ←
17:12:52 <hadleybeeman> ...If the group has the capacity to go further, then we're open to it.
...If the group has the capacity to go further, then we're open to it. ←
17:13:19 <hadleybeeman> jenit: I think it should also say "information about rights are available", which is a separate thing. For example, the data may have some third party rights restrictions.
Jeni Tennison: I think it should also say "information about rights are available", which is a separate thing. For example, the data may have some third party rights restrictions. ←
17:13:34 <hadleybeeman> ... This should be a separate requirement. Not to specify what that could be, but that it's worth including.
... This should be a separate requirement. Not to specify what that could be, but that it's worth including. ←
17:13:53 <hadleybeeman> philA: Lee Dodds wants us to do more.
Phil Archer: Lee Dodds wants us to do more. ←
17:14:01 <hadleybeeman> jeniT: I'm sure there is more to do there.
Jeni Tennison: I'm sure there is more to do there. ←
17:14:15 <hadleybeeman> ...Also, why pull out liability terms? There are lots of terms and conditions to put on the use of data.
...Also, why pull out liability terms? There are lots of terms and conditions to put on the use of data. ←
17:14:36 <hadleybeeman> ...Maybe better to say "Requirements for legal compliance". Info about rights, about licenses, and clear terms and conditions (which may include liability)
...Maybe better to say "Requirements for legal compliance". Info about rights, about licenses, and clear terms and conditions (which may include liability) ←
17:14:48 <hadleybeeman> philA: I think the liability came from Steve Adler
Phil Archer: I think the liability came from Steve Adler ←
17:14:54 <hadleybeeman> Steve: I'm not sure
Steven Adler: I'm not sure ←
17:15:25 <hadleybeeman> BREAK FOR COFFEE, back in 15 mins
BREAK FOR COFFEE, back in 15 mins ←
17:16:37 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
17:24:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Sorry but I have to leave, Hope you'll continue the good discussion after the coffee..
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Riccardo Albertoni: Sorry but I have to leave, Hope you'll continue the good discussion after the coffee.. ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: -RiccardoAlbertoni ←
17:34:32 <fjh> q+
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Frederick Hirsch: q+ ←
17:34:37 <Eric_Kauz> PhilA: Provinance
Phil Archer: Provenance [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:34:38 <jtandy_> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
17:34:41 <JeniT> q-
Jeni Tennison: q- ←
17:35:00 <JeniT> s/Provinance/Provenance/
17:35:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
17:35:13 <antoine> zakim, IPCaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
17:35:13 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
17:35:14 <Eric_Kauz> Phila: Who created this data?
Phil Archer: Who created this data? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:35:14 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:35:22 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
17:35:33 <Eric_Kauz> KenL: Who created it or who owns it.
Ken Laskey: Who created it or who owns it. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:35:53 <JeniT> ack fjh
Jeni Tennison: ack fjh ←
17:35:55 <Eric_Kauz> Kenl: this gets into policy.
Ken Laskey: this gets into policy. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:36:07 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
17:36:25 <Eric_Kauz> fjh: which provinence matters, need a bit more guidance.
Frederick Hirsch: which provinence matters, need a bit more guidance. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:36:33 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:36:44 <JeniT> ack jtandy
Jeni Tennison: ack jtandy ←
17:37:19 <Eric_Kauz> Jtandy: where did this data come from, do I trust this data, only one facet of provinence.
Jeremy Tandy: where did this data come from, do I trust this data, only one facet of provinence. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:37:41 <Eric_Kauz> jtandy: provinence means all things to all people. ambiguous.
Jeremy Tandy: provinence means all things to all people. ambiguous. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:37:44 <fjh> q?
Frederick Hirsch: q? ←
17:38:20 <Eric_Kauz> Phila: originating organisation with contact details
Phil Archer: originating organisation with contact details [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:38:59 <Ig_Bittencourt> q-
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q- ←
17:39:08 <hadleybeeman> Ack ericstephan
Ack ericstephan ←
17:39:08 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: should not put this requirement on everybody, originator creator would be sufficient.
Eric Stephan: should not put this requirement on everybody, originator creator would be sufficient. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:39:13 <hadleybeeman> Ack laufer
Ack laufer ←
17:40:35 <Eric_Kauz> laufer: give the organisation, should be sufficient
Carlos Laufer: give the organisation, should be sufficient [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:40:35 <hadleybeeman> Q+ ericstephan
Q+ ericstephan ←
17:41:08 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
17:41:38 <KenL> q+ to say suggest we accept Phil's original requirement as placeholder because we can spend days trying to resolve this. Defer until later.
Ken Laskey: q+ to say suggest we accept Phil's original requirement as placeholder because we can spend days trying to resolve this. Defer until later. ←
17:41:41 <ericstephan_> +1 bernadette
Eric Stephan: +1 bernadette ←
17:41:45 <Eric_Kauz> BernadetteLoscio: is this just simple metadata about who created the data?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: is this just simple metadata about who created the data? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:41:54 <hadleybeeman> Ack eric
Ack eric ←
17:41:55 <Caroline> +1 BernadetteLoscio
Caroline Burle: +1 BernadetteLoscio ←
17:42:01 <hadleybeeman> Ack been
Ack been ←
17:42:08 <hadleybeeman> Ack BernadetteLoscio
Ack BernadetteLoscio ←
17:42:09 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan_: we need to be explicit about provinance and what it means.
Eric Stephan: we need to be explicit about provinance and what it means. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:43:13 <Eric_Kauz> phila: can we simplifiy this to originating organisation
Phil Archer: can we simplifiy this to originating organisation [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:43:16 <hadleybeeman> q+ to ask if we are developing use cases in this discussion
q+ to ask if we are developing use cases in this discussion ←
17:43:53 <Eric_Kauz> BernadetteLoscio: If we define organisation, we have to define other metadata
Bernadette Farias Loscio: If we define organisation, we have to define other metadata [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:44:02 <ericstephan_> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
17:44:13 <hadleybeeman> Ack Ken
Ack Ken ←
17:44:13 <Zakim> KenL, you wanted to say suggest we accept Phil's original requirement as placeholder because we can spend days trying to resolve this. Defer until later.
Zakim IRC Bot: KenL, you wanted to say suggest we accept Phil's original requirement as placeholder because we can spend days trying to resolve this. Defer until later. ←
17:44:57 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: talking about different things, origin and creator is a specific use case, needs to be backed up by UC and evidence,
Hadley Beeman: talking about different things, origin and creator is a specific use case, needs to be backed up by UC and evidence, [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:45:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
17:45:21 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack hadleybeeman
Bart van Leeuwen: ack hadleybeeman ←
17:45:21 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask if we are developing use cases in this discussion
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to ask if we are developing use cases in this discussion ←
17:45:30 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:45:34 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
17:45:40 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: otherwise have to define for all other metadata, is there another word
Hadley Beeman: otherwise have to define for all other metadata, is there another word [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:46:02 <jtandy_> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
17:46:07 <hadleybeeman> Q?
Q? ←
17:46:20 <Eric_Kauz> phila: do we need to change provAvailable
Phil Archer: do we need to change provAvailable [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:47:05 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: make it an issue that word provenance is unclear and needs to be better defined.
Hadley Beeman: make it an issue that word provenance is unclear and needs to be better defined. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:47:55 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
17:47:58 <hadleybeeman> issue: Phil to clarify the use of the word "provenance" any potential confusion it causes
ISSUE: Phil to clarify the use of the word "provenance" any potential confusion it causes ←
17:47:59 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-51 - Phil to clarify the use of the word "provenance" any potential confusion it causes. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/51/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-51 - Phil to clarify the use of the word "provenance" any potential confusion it causes. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/51/edit>. ←
17:48:01 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: proposed as an issue,
Hadley Beeman: proposed as an issue, [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:48:24 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan_: need to establish an minimum set of provenance
Eric Stephan: need to establish an minimum set of provenance [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:48:42 <annette_g> * +1 to Eric
Annette Greiner: * +1 to Eric ←
17:48:50 <hadleybeeman> q?
q? ←
17:48:51 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan_: provenance vocabulary is highly complex. Need to identify minimum requirements set
Eric Stephan: provenance vocabulary is highly complex. Need to identify minimum requirements set [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:48:54 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
ack eric ←
17:49:04 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
Bart van Leeuwen: ack me ←
17:49:25 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
17:49:38 <jtandy_> +1 to ericstephan_ ... agreed that the provenance requirement should start by indicating a minimal set of requirements
Jeremy Tandy: +1 to ericstephan_ ... agreed that the provenance requirement should start by indicating a minimal set of requirements ←
17:49:40 <jtandy_> q-
Jeremy Tandy: q- ←
17:49:41 <Eric_Kauz> BartvanLeeuwen: are we differing from the process. we are discussing each item over again.
Bart van Leeuwen: are we differing from the process. we are discussing each item over again. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:49:46 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
ack laufer ←
17:50:33 <Eric_Kauz> laufer: we are discussing meaning of it, not that we have to give all information. We have an example of people wanting simple, but there are others that are more complex.
Carlos Laufer: we are discussing meaning of it, not that we have to give all information. We have an example of people wanting simple, but there are others that are more complex. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:50:45 <jtandy_> agree with laufer ... if people can (& want) to provide complex provenance information they should be able to do so
Jeremy Tandy: agree with laufer ... if people can (& want) to provide complex provenance information they should be able to do so ←
17:50:54 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: what do we do regarding confusion on terms
Hadley Beeman: what do we do regarding confusion on terms [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:51:14 <ericstephan_> I agree jtandy, but I think we need to have a minimal set defined for validation
Eric Stephan: I agree jtandy, but I think we need to have a minimal set defined for validation ←
17:51:19 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
17:51:23 <hadleybeeman> issue: lauter to help us think about how to address our confusion of terms. (glossary?)
ISSUE: lauter to help us think about how to address our confusion of terms. (glossary?) ←
17:51:23 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-52 - Lauter to help us think about how to address our confusion of terms. (glossary?). Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-52 - Lauter to help us think about how to address our confusion of terms. (glossary?). Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/52/edit>. ←
17:51:46 <Eric_Kauz> Phila:requirements for industry reuse, goes to motivation of work group, if we are building eco system, we need SLAs.
Phil Archer: requirements for industry reuse, goes to motivation of work group, if we are building eco system, we need SLAs. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:52:10 <Eric_Kauz> phila: data should be suitable for industry reuse is vague.
Phil Archer: data should be suitable for industry reuse is vague. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:52:18 <jtandy_> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
17:52:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
17:52:43 <Eric_Kauz> phila: service level agreeements are at heart of it.
Phil Archer: service level agreeements are at heart of it. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:52:44 <hadleybeeman> ack ig
ack ig ←
17:53:12 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
17:53:18 <Eric_Kauz> Ig_Bittencourt: difference regarding reuse, should be data should be available for reuse. not currently good requirement
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: difference regarding reuse, should be data should be available for reuse. not currently good requirement [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:53:19 <hadleybeeman> q+ to suggest changing this from a "should" to a "may"
q+ to suggest changing this from a "should" to a "may" ←
17:53:22 <hadleybeeman> ack j
ack j ←
17:54:00 <JeniT> q+ to say that there’s a point of publishing data for access rather than reuse
Jeni Tennison: q+ to say that there’s a point of publishing data for access rather than reuse ←
17:54:01 <Eric_Kauz> jtandy_: what is criteria for suitable for reuse for an industry., revenue stream should be removed.
Jeremy Tandy: what is criteria for suitable for reuse for an industry., revenue stream should be removed. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:54:03 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
ack bart ←
17:54:04 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
17:54:14 <JeniT> q+ to talk about guarantees for availability separate from SLAs
Jeni Tennison: q+ to talk about guarantees for availability separate from SLAs ←
17:54:47 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
ack laufer ←
17:54:48 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
17:54:54 <Eric_Kauz> BartvanLeeuwen: was breakout session on financial benefits, no one is giving out figures on monetary advantages of using open data.
Bart van Leeuwen: was breakout session on financial benefits, no one is giving out figures on monetary advantages of using open data. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:55:10 <chunming> q+
Chunming Hu: q+ ←
17:55:20 <KenL> q+ to say SLA should be replaced with Applicable Policies because agreement is two sided and here we are stating conditions of use by owner/provider
Ken Laskey: q+ to say SLA should be replaced with Applicable Policies because agreement is two sided and here we are stating conditions of use by owner/provider ←
17:55:25 <Eric_Kauz> laufer: are we talking about contracts? All of them are requirements.
Carlos Laufer: are we talking about contracts? All of them are requirements. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:56:07 <Eric_Kauz> steve: if there is no service level agreement, companies will not use it.
Steven Adler: if there is no service level agreement, companies will not use it. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:56:09 <JeniT> q+ to say that SLAs should definitely be separate from licence
Jeni Tennison: q+ to say that SLAs should definitely be separate from licence ←
17:56:53 <Eric_Kauz> steve: 90 percent of open data sites do not have an SLA, it is out there but can be removed anytime.
Steven Adler: 90 percent of open data sites do not have an SLA, it is out there but can be removed anytime. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:57:49 <Eric_Kauz> steve: many license agreements have restrictions. Say they have ability to remove the data anytime, potential revenue is a misnomer
Steven Adler: many license agreements have restrictions. Say they have ability to remove the data anytime, potential revenue is a misnomer [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:58:23 <hadleybeeman> ack me
ack me ←
17:58:23 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to suggest changing this from a "should" to a "may"
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to suggest changing this from a "should" to a "may" ←
17:58:23 <jtandy_> +1 to steve ... the SLA needs to be included as a separate item to indicate a data publisher's commitment to keeping data available or that it will be refreshed on a particular frequency etc.
Jeremy Tandy: +1 to steve ... the SLA needs to be included as a separate item to indicate a data publisher's commitment to keeping data available or that it will be refreshed on a particular frequency etc. ←
17:59:05 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: there is a question of how these are put in requirements vs. how we are going to discuss it in best practices
Hadley Beeman: there is a question of how these are put in requirements vs. how we are going to discuss it in best practices [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
17:59:36 <phila> ISSUE: Whether SLA is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately?
ISSUE: Whether SLA is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? ←
17:59:36 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-53 - Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-53 - Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53/edit>. ←
17:59:44 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: industry is a vague term,
Hadley Beeman: industry is a vague term, [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:00:17 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
18:00:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
18:00:27 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: proposes change section from SLA should be available .. ..... do not want to stop someone from using an SLA
Hadley Beeman: proposes change section from SLA should be available .. ..... do not want to stop someone from using an SLA [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:00:35 <hadleybeeman> q?
q? ←
18:00:41 <JeniT> ack JeniT
Jeni Tennison: ack JeniT ←
18:00:41 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to say that there’s a point of publishing data for access rather than reuse and to talk about guarantees for availability separate from SLAs and to say that
Zakim IRC Bot: JeniT, you wanted to say that there’s a point of publishing data for access rather than reuse and to talk about guarantees for availability separate from SLAs and to say that ←
18:00:44 <Zakim> ... SLAs should definitely be separate from licence
Zakim IRC Bot: ... SLAs should definitely be separate from licence ←
18:01:19 <Eric_Kauz> JeniT: plenty of times people are publishing to provide access to data
Jeni Tennison: plenty of times people are publishing to provide access to data [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:01:53 <jtandy_> am happy to concede to JeniT's point :-)
Jeremy Tandy: am happy to concede to JeniT's point :-) ←
18:02:16 <hadleybeeman> q?
q? ←
18:02:17 <Eric_Kauz> JeniT: distinction regarding api availability, also important for users to have quaranteed availability over a long period of time not just up time.
Jeni Tennison: distinction regarding api availability, also important for users to have quaranteed availability over a long period of time not just up time. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:02:19 <jtandy_> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
18:02:39 <hadleybeeman> Perhaps we need to be clear about what we mean when we say "service level agreement"
Perhaps we need to be clear about what we mean when we say "service level agreement" ←
18:03:09 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
18:03:10 <hadleybeeman> q?
q? ←
18:03:14 <Eric_Kauz> JeniT: api will be available for example 5 years, also SLA should be different than licenses.
Jeni Tennison: api will be available for example 5 years, also SLA should be different than licenses. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:03:17 <hadleybeeman> ack bernadette
ack bernadette ←
18:03:18 <jtandy_> in addition to commitment for availability, an 'SLA' might include the refresh rate for the data
Jeremy Tandy: in addition to commitment for availability, an 'SLA' might include the refresh rate for the data ←
18:03:22 <jtandy_> q-
Jeremy Tandy: q- ←
18:03:59 <Eric_Kauz> BernadetteLoscio: why should this be different for industry and not for someone else.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: why should this be different for industry and not for someone else. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:04:19 <phila> issue-53?
18:04:19 <trackbot> issue-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-53 -- Whether sla is/can be thought of as part of the licence or whether it needs to be pulled out spearately? -- raised ←
18:04:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/53 ←
18:04:35 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
18:04:42 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
18:04:53 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
18:05:11 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
18:05:14 <Eric_Kauz> phila: proposal is that industry reuse and potential revenue be deleted.
Phil Archer: proposal is that industry reuse and potential revenue be deleted. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:05:27 <chunming> +1
Chunming Hu: +1 ←
18:05:34 <yanai> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
18:05:38 <JeniT> +1 (observer)
Jeni Tennison: +1 (observer) ←
18:05:39 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
18:05:42 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
18:05:46 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
18:05:46 <Eric_Kauz> +1
18:05:48 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
18:05:48 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
18:05:50 <phila> PROPOSED: Delete R-IndustryReuse and R-PotentialRevenue as requirements
PROPOSED: Delete R-IndustryReuse and R-PotentialRevenue as requirements ←
18:05:51 <jtandy_> +1
Jeremy Tandy: +1 ←
18:05:53 <ericstephan_> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
18:05:53 <hadleybeeman> +1
+1 ←
18:05:56 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
18:05:56 <chunming> i would like the 3rd party reuse
Chunming Hu: i would like the 3rd party reuse ←
18:05:58 <newton_> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
18:06:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
18:06:03 <phila> RESOLVED: Delete R-IndustryReuse and R-PotentialRevenue as requirements
RESOLVED: Delete R-IndustryReuse and R-PotentialRevenue as requirements ←
18:06:11 <phila> ack chunming
Phil Archer: ack chunming ←
18:07:13 <Eric_Kauz> chunming: sla, static data sets or dynamic data sets. If static, sla is related to trust of data, dynamic data sets there would be other metrics freshness, real time guarantee,
Chunming Hu: sla, static data sets or dynamic data sets. If static, sla is related to trust of data, dynamic data sets there would be other metrics freshness, real time guarantee, [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:07:26 <jtandy_> +1 to comment from chunming
Jeremy Tandy: +1 to comment from chunming ←
18:07:46 <Eric_Kauz> chunming: maybe we can find another terminology to use instead of SLA
Chunming Hu: maybe we can find another terminology to use instead of SLA [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:08:07 <jtandy_> @Caroline ... Eric has minuted his comment fairly well
Jeremy Tandy: @Caroline ... Eric has minuted his comment fairly well ←
18:08:21 <Eric_Kauz> phila: static and dynamic data is coming up. Timeliness and quality are being covered.
Phil Archer: static and dynamic data is coming up. Timeliness and quality are being covered. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:08:35 <hadleybeeman> q?
q? ←
18:08:40 <hadleybeeman> ack ken
ack ken ←
18:08:40 <Zakim> KenL, you wanted to say SLA should be replaced with Applicable Policies because agreement is two sided and here we are stating conditions of use by owner/provider
Zakim IRC Bot: KenL, you wanted to say SLA should be replaced with Applicable Policies because agreement is two sided and here we are stating conditions of use by owner/provider ←
18:09:35 <jtandy_> @Caroline ... happy to help :-)
Jeremy Tandy: @Caroline ... happy to help :-) ←
18:09:36 <Eric_Kauz> KenL: what is SLA is not defined in day job, we are talking about conditions of use, describing what you are getting. SLA is wrong term.
Ken Laskey: what is SLA is not defined in day job, we are talking about conditions of use, describing what you are getting. SLA is wrong term. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:09:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to KenL
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to KenL ←
18:09:54 <phila> q+ to propose Service Level Commitment as alternative to SLA name
Phil Archer: q+ to propose Service Level Commitment as alternative to SLA name ←
18:10:00 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
18:10:04 <ericstephan_> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
18:10:21 <hadleybeeman> issue: the term "SLA" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser
ISSUE: the term "SLA" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser ←
18:10:22 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-54 - The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-54 - The term "sla" is vague, undefined, and may not actually represent an agreement between the publisher and reuser. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/54/edit>. ←
18:10:54 <Eric_Kauz> laufer: concept of the contract, including license and sla, needs to be addressed.
Carlos Laufer: concept of the contract, including license and sla, needs to be addressed. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:11:00 <KenL> would suggest avoid "service level" altogether because that still comes with baggage.
Ken Laskey: would suggest avoid "service level" altogether because that still comes with baggage. ←
18:11:09 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pointer?
zakim, pointer? ←
18:11:09 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, hadleybeeman.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, hadleybeeman. ←
18:11:17 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
rrsagent, pointer? ←
18:11:17 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T18-11-17
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T18-11-17 ←
18:12:06 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: word contract has different legal meanings in different countries.
Hadley Beeman: word contract has different legal meanings in different countries. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:12:13 <hadleybeeman> q?
q? ←
18:12:19 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
ack laufer ←
18:13:17 <Eric_Kauz> phila: wants to talk about new use cases and new requirements besides reviewing existing requirements
Phil Archer: wants to talk about new use cases and new requirements besides reviewing existing requirements [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:13:34 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases New use cases
Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Second-Round_Use_Cases New use cases ←
18:16:04 <Eric_Kauz> phila: need to go over new requirements, see if we are missing, science ones do not add new requirements, wants annette and eric to check work.
Phil Archer: need to go over new requirements, see if we are missing, science ones do not add new requirements, wants annette and eric to check work. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:16:55 <Eric_Kauz> steve: what are ethics of UE funded workshops, entered in as requirements
Steven Adler: what are ethics of EU funded workshops, entered in as requirements [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:17:24 <Eric_Kauz> phila: they have same voting power as anyone else in group
Phil Archer: they have same voting power as anyone else in group [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:17:36 <jtandy_> s/UE/EU/
18:18:01 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
18:19:03 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
ack bern ←
18:19:06 <Eric_Kauz> phila:need to revisit data granularity, vague
Phil Archer: need to revisit data granularity, vague [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:19:14 <ericstephan_> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:19:54 <Eric_Kauz> BernadetteLoscio: granularity? terminology issue, scope, aggregations?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: granularity? terminology issue, scope, aggregations? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:20:28 <hadleybeeman> issue: the word "granularity" can been many things. scope, city/state/country, data aggregation
ISSUE: the word "granularity" can been many things. scope, city/state/country, data aggregation ←
18:20:28 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-55 - The word "granularity" can been many things. scope, city/state/country, data aggregation. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/55/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-55 - The word "granularity" can been many things. scope, city/state/country, data aggregation. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/55/edit>. ←
18:20:44 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
ack eric ←
18:21:13 <phila> zakim, who is on the phone?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
18:21:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see SalonA, Caroline_
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SalonA, Caroline_ ←
18:21:14 <Zakim> SalonA has Reinaldo
Zakim IRC Bot: SalonA has Reinaldo ←
18:21:33 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan_: may want to split granularity out to what different domains think of granularity.
Eric Stephan: may want to split granularity out to what different domains think of granularity. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:21:38 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
18:21:45 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
18:22:53 <Eric_Kauz> phila: how to select high value, how to respond to demand and lifecycle
Phil Archer: how to select high value, how to respond to demand and lifecycle [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:23:09 <Eric_Kauz> phila: issue more policy than tech.
Phil Archer: issue more policy than tech. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:23:10 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
ack laufer ←
18:23:41 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
18:23:45 <JeniT> q+ to question whether data selection should be in scope
Jeni Tennison: q+ to question whether data selection should be in scope ←
18:24:06 <Eric_Kauz> laufer: granularity how people define granularity not within our scope.
Carlos Laufer: granularity how people define granularity not within our scope. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:24:22 <jtandy_> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
18:24:38 <Eric_Kauz> Ig_Bittencourt: second requirement related to selection of publication
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: second requirement related to selection of publication [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:24:49 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
18:25:01 <hadleybeeman> Our charter asks us about best practices for "technical factors for consideration when choosing data sets for publication;" http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html
Our charter asks us about best practices for "technical factors for consideration when choosing data sets for publication;" http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html ←
18:25:19 <Eric_Kauz> steve: cannot prioritize based on perceived value, this is antithesis of open data
Steven Adler: cannot prioritize based on perceived value, this is antithesis of open data [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:25:25 <laufer> +1 to steve
Carlos Laufer: +1 to steve ←
18:26:08 <hadleybeeman> ack jeni
ack jeni ←
18:26:08 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to question whether data selection should be in scope
Zakim IRC Bot: JeniT, you wanted to question whether data selection should be in scope ←
18:26:25 <Ig_Bittencourt> q-
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q- ←
18:26:39 <hadleybeeman> q+
q+ ←
18:26:43 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
18:26:43 <Eric_Kauz> JeniT: organisations need to pick and choose, but this should still be out of scope
Jeni Tennison: organisations need to pick and choose, but this should still be out of scope [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:27:16 <Zakim> + +1.509.372.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.372.aacc ←
18:27:16 <hadleybeeman> ack j
ack j ←
18:27:24 <Eric_Kauz> jtandy_: scope should be limited to once you have decided what to publish, this is what you should do. Should be post decision on what to publish
Jeremy Tandy: scope should be limited to once you have decided what to publish, this is what you should do. Should be post decision on what to publish [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:27:31 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
ack bern ←
18:27:32 <Zakim> - +1.509.372.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.372.aacc ←
18:28:11 <Eric_Kauz> BernadetteLoscio: high value data is very subjective,
Bernadette Farias Loscio: high value data is very subjective, [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:28:22 <ericstephan_> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:28:43 <Eric_Kauz> BernadetteLoscio: requirements on tech level related to data source used to publish but not clear to her.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: requirements on tech level related to data source used to publish but not clear to her. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:29:20 <Eric_Kauz> BernadetteLoscio: not clear if we need requirements for data selection.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: not clear if we need requirements for data selection. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:29:21 <hadleybeeman> ack h
ack h ←
18:29:46 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
18:30:15 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: cannot make rules for what to publish and not to publish, do not know how to write something here that is testable.
Hadley Beeman: cannot make rules for what to publish and not to publish, do not know how to write something here that is testable. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:30:19 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
18:31:14 <CarlosIglesias> I think this is not about what to publish and what not to publish
Carlos Iglesias: I think this is not about what to publish and what not to publish ←
18:31:22 <CarlosIglesias> but what to prioritize
Carlos Iglesias: but what to prioritize ←
18:31:25 <hadleybeeman> q+ to disagree :)
q+ to disagree :) ←
18:31:44 <Eric_Kauz> phila: if we are trying to provide publishers on how to use this stuff, need policy framework, for example responding to feedback, part of policy is how to prioritize based on budget
Phil Archer: if we are trying to provide publishers on how to use this stuff, need policy framework, for example responding to feedback, part of policy is how to prioritize based on budget [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:31:44 <CarlosIglesias> in an ideal world you may be able to open data by default
Carlos Iglesias: in an ideal world you may be able to open data by default ←
18:31:57 <CarlosIglesias> in the real one it takes quite a lot of time and resources
Carlos Iglesias: in the real one it takes quite a lot of time and resources ←
18:32:03 <Eric_Kauz> phila: need some framework on how decisions should be taken.
Phil Archer: need some framework on how decisions should be taken. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:32:08 <CarlosIglesias> that's why we see few data so far
Carlos Iglesias: that's why we see few data so far ←
18:32:34 <CarlosIglesias> and that's why publishers need some guidelines on how to prioritize efforts to get the best value and ROI
Carlos Iglesias: and that's why publishers need some guidelines on how to prioritize efforts to get the best value and ROI ←
18:33:02 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan_: when publishing instrument data, there is raw stuff, ingest data, higher quality data, perhaps an indicator on type of data you are getting.
Eric Stephan: when publishing instrument data, there is raw stuff, ingest data, higher quality data, perhaps an indicator on type of data you are getting. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:33:17 <CarlosIglesias> it is not about perceived value, but real value
Carlos Iglesias: it is not about perceived value, but real value ←
18:33:30 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan_: complete transperancy
Eric Stephan: complete transperancy [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:33:31 <KenL> value is in the eye of the beholder.
Ken Laskey: value is in the eye of the beholder. ←
18:33:33 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
18:33:36 <CarlosIglesias> there are techniques that have been already in use for that
Carlos Iglesias: there are techniques that have been already in use for that ←
18:33:42 <phila> ack ericstephan_
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan_ ←
18:33:46 <phila> ack Ig_Bittencourt
Phil Archer: ack Ig_Bittencourt ←
18:34:15 <Eric_Kauz> Ig_Bittencourt: legal limits to not publish certain data.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: legal limits to not publish certain data. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:34:41 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: policy is out of scope for us.
Hadley Beeman: policy is out of scope for us. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:35:11 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: focus on how to publish if you want to publish.
Hadley Beeman: focus on how to publish if you want to publish. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:35:30 <KenL> issue of authorization for use; value is whether you think you will find value and may be argument that you want to be authorized
Ken Laskey: issue of authorization for use; value is whether you think you will find value and may be argument that you want to be authorized ←
18:35:45 <hadleybeeman> q?
q? ←
18:35:58 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
18:36:02 <hadleybeeman> ack me
ack me ←
18:36:02 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to disagree :)
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to disagree :) ←
18:36:22 <Eric_Kauz> steve: agree we should not make recommendations on what to publish.
Steven Adler: agree we should not make recommendations on what to publish. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:37:31 <Eric_Kauz> laufer: don't know value before users use the data.
Carlos Laufer: don't know value before users use the data. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Kauz ] ←
18:37:44 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
18:37:59 <chunming> +1
Chunming Hu: +1 ←
18:38:46 <CarlosIglesias> you can know asking the users for example
Carlos Iglesias: you can know asking the users for example ←
18:38:52 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: The topic of selecting data for publication is out of scope for this working group
PROPOSED: The topic of selecting data for publication is out of scope for this working group ←
18:39:02 <jtandy_> +1
Jeremy Tandy: +1 ←
18:39:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
18:39:05 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
18:39:08 <ericstephan_> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
18:39:08 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
18:39:09 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
18:39:16 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
18:39:17 <phila> 0
Phil Archer: 0 ←
18:39:18 <jtandy_> scribenick: jtandy_
(Scribe set to Jeremy Tandy)
18:39:30 <CarlosIglesias> -1 but can live with that
Carlos Iglesias: -1 but can live with that ←
18:39:48 <jtandy_> phila: talks about why he abstained ...
Phil Archer: talks about why he abstained ... ←
18:39:57 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
18:40:09 <laufer> q-
Carlos Laufer: q- ←
18:40:12 <newton_> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
18:40:16 <jtandy_> ... norwegian gov has a traffic light framework for making data publication choices
... norwegian gov has a traffic light framework for making data publication choices ←
18:40:42 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
18:40:56 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
18:40:58 <jtandy_> BernadetteLoscio: perhaps we can include the selection of data in our docs - but not define this as requirements (in the Rec track)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: perhaps we can include the selection of data in our docs - but not define this as requirements (in the Rec track) ←
18:40:58 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
18:41:25 <jtandy_> hadleybeeman: concerned about putting things in doc that don't come from use cases or end up in the Rec
Hadley Beeman: concerned about putting things in doc that don't come from use cases or end up in the Rec ←
18:41:36 <jtandy_> ... perhaps we could publish a separate note?
... perhaps we could publish a separate note? ←
18:41:46 <ericstephan_> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:41:54 <jtandy_> BernadetteLoscio: we need this information for context - but i don't know how to organise this information
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need this information for context - but i don't know how to organise this information ←
18:42:07 <jtandy_> ... if not in the Rec - then where?
... if not in the Rec - then where? ←
18:42:09 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
18:42:16 <phila> This sounds like an issue to me, not for now
Phil Archer: This sounds like an issue to me, not for now ←
18:42:34 <jtandy_> hadleybeeman: my feeling is that it's better in a note
Hadley Beeman: my feeling is that it's better in a note ←
18:42:42 <jtandy_> ... not Rec
... not Rec ←
18:42:42 <hadleybeeman> fair point, phila
Hadley Beeman: fair point, phila ←
18:43:13 <phila> ack ericstephan_
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan_ ←
18:43:45 <hadleybeeman> issue: We need context and examples. Do they go into the rec-track documents or into a separate note?
ISSUE: We need context and examples. Do they go into the rec-track documents or into a separate note? ←
18:43:45 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-56 - We need context and examples. do they go into the rec-track documents or into a separate note?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-56 - We need context and examples. do they go into the rec-track documents or into a separate note?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56/edit>. ←
18:43:46 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
18:43:48 <jtandy_> ericstephan_: we have talked about in the past .- there may be examples that complement the Rec but don't add any new requirements
Eric Stephan: we have talked about in the past .- there may be examples that complement the Rec but don't add any new requirements ←
18:43:49 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
18:43:49 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T18-43-49
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T18-43-49 ←
18:44:06 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
18:44:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
18:44:59 <jtandy_> laufer: we talk about what types of metadata that might be useful - but not why .... we need to add information about the 'ecosystem' (or metamodel) within which these requirements exist
Carlos Laufer: we talk about what types of metadata that might be useful - but not why .... we need to add information about the 'ecosystem' (or metamodel) within which these requirements exist ←
18:45:11 <KenL> q+
Ken Laskey: q+ ←
18:45:20 <phila> ack KenL
Phil Archer: ack KenL ←
18:45:58 <jtandy_> KenL: on subject of metamodel / ecosystem ... there is a reference architecture published by OASIS (from a group I chair) that discusses this
Ken Laskey: on subject of metamodel / ecosystem ... there is a reference architecture published by OASIS (from a group I chair) that discusses this ←
18:46:04 <jtandy_> (link coming)
(link coming) ←
18:46:22 <jtandy_> phila: pleased with the outcome of that discussion
Phil Archer: pleased with the outcome of that discussion ←
18:46:48 <jtandy_> ... we decided to delete R_SelectHighValue
... we decided to delete R_SelectHighValue ←
18:46:58 <jtandy_> hadleybeeman: did we do this in IRC?
Hadley Beeman: did we do this in IRC? ←
18:47:20 <KenL> http://docs.oasis-open.org/soa-rm/soa-ra/v1.0/cs01/soa-ra-v1.0-cs01.pdf
Ken Laskey: http://docs.oasis-open.org/soa-rm/soa-ra/v1.0/cs01/soa-ra-v1.0-cs01.pdf ←
18:47:25 <jtandy_> phila: I'm happy that the issue is covered - but offer a variation on hadleybeeman's proposal
Phil Archer: I'm happy that the issue is covered - but offer a variation on hadleybeeman's proposal ←
18:47:37 <phila> PROPOSED: The topic of selecting data for publication is out of scope for this working group, however, the BPs do need tobe contextualised as discussed
PROPOSED: The topic of selecting data for publication is out of scope for this working group, however, the BPs do need tobe contextualised as discussed ←
18:48:03 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to adler1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to adler1 ←
18:48:11 <phila> PROPOSED: The topic of selecting data for publication is out of scope for this working group, however, the BPs do need to be contextualised as discussed. That done, RSelectHighValue and R-SelectDemand should be removed
PROPOSED: The topic of selecting data for publication is out of scope for this working group, however, the BPs do need to be contextualised as discussed. That done, RSelectHighValue and R-SelectDemand should be removed ←
18:48:13 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
18:48:25 <jtandy_> adler1: (steve) suggests that "demand" is very similar to "high value" and should also be removed
Steven Adler: (steve) suggests that "demand" is very similar to "high value" and should also be removed ←
18:48:26 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
18:48:26 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
18:48:28 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
18:48:28 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
18:48:29 <newton_> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
18:48:29 <jtandy_> +1
+1 ←
18:48:31 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
18:48:33 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
18:48:35 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
18:48:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
18:48:41 <ericstephan_> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
18:48:48 <CarlosIglesias> 0
Carlos Iglesias: 0 ←
18:48:57 <phila> RESOLVED: The topic of selecting data for publication is out of scope for this working group, however, the BPs do need to be contextualised as discussed. That done, RSelectHighValue and R-SelectDemand should be removed
RESOLVED: The topic of selecting data for publication is out of scope for this working group, however, the BPs do need to be contextualised as discussed. That done, RSelectHighValue and R-SelectDemand should be removed ←
18:49:08 <jtandy_> hadleybeeman: resolved
Hadley Beeman: resolved ←
18:49:12 <annette_g> oops, mine shouldn't count
Annette Greiner: oops, mine shouldn't count ←
18:49:27 <hadleybeeman> It's still useful to hear your thoughts, annette_g
Hadley Beeman: It's still useful to hear your thoughts, annette_g ←
18:49:42 <annette_g> * :)
Annette Greiner: * :) ←
18:50:02 <jtandy_> phila: given we've removed high value and demand, let's move R-DataLifecyclePrivacy somewhere else
Phil Archer: given we've removed high value and demand, let's move R-DataLifecyclePrivacy somewhere else ←
18:50:30 <jtandy_> phila: notes that the text of R-DataLifecyclePrivacy doesn't match the title ... this is nothing to do with Privacy
Phil Archer: notes that the text of R-DataLifecyclePrivacy doesn't match the title ... this is nothing to do with Privacy ←
18:50:36 <hadleybeeman> q+ to suggest moving policy and privacy issues to notes
Hadley Beeman: q+ to suggest moving policy and privacy issues to notes ←
18:50:40 <jtandy_> ... let's rename to R-DataLifecycleIPR
... let's rename to R-DataLifecycleIPR ←
18:51:02 <jtandy_> adler1: what does "individual’s intellectual property rights." actually mean
Steven Adler: what does "individual’s intellectual property rights." actually mean ←
18:51:26 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
18:51:26 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to suggest moving policy and privacy issues to notes
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to suggest moving policy and privacy issues to notes ←
18:51:29 <jtandy_> ??: this is about copyright etc.
??: this is about copyright etc. ←
18:51:41 <KenL> q+
Ken Laskey: q+ ←
18:51:59 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
18:52:11 <phila> ack KenL
Phil Archer: ack KenL ←
18:52:12 <hadleybeeman> ack ken
Hadley Beeman: ack ken ←
18:52:20 <jtandy_> hadleybeeman: this is about policy which varies from country to country so this shouldn't be included in the Rec
Hadley Beeman: this is about policy which varies from country to country so this shouldn't be included in the Rec ←
18:52:55 <jtandy_> KenL: we just need to be able to specify the conditions of use - not include policy about what do about that condition of use
Ken Laskey: we just need to be able to specify the conditions of use - not include policy about what do about that condition of use ←
18:53:24 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
18:53:30 <jtandy_> KenL: we enable people people to express conditions of use - and look further about how we might categorise that
Ken Laskey: we enable people people to express conditions of use - and look further about how we might categorise that ←
18:53:55 <jtandy_> phila: it isn't w3c's place to talk about policy - but we do talk about privacy and security!
Phil Archer: it isn't w3c's place to talk about policy - but we do talk about privacy and security! ←
18:54:00 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
18:54:20 <jtandy_> ... can we just include this kind of information in the non-normative section?
... can we just include this kind of information in the non-normative section? ←
18:54:53 <jtandy_> hadleybeeman: worries that we would need to go through _all_ use cases to pick this out
Hadley Beeman: worries that we would need to go through _all_ use cases to pick this out ←
18:55:17 <jtandy_> JeniT: just say "don't do illegal stuff"
Jeni Tennison: just say "don't do illegal stuff" ←
18:55:37 <JeniT> my meaning is that there is no need to say ‘don’t do illegal stuff'
Jeni Tennison: my meaning is that there is no need to say ‘don’t do illegal stuff' ←
18:55:41 <jtandy_> laufer: sometimes companies don't know if they're legal or not
Carlos Laufer: sometimes companies don't know if they're legal or not ←
18:55:44 <hadleybeeman> +1 to jeniT
Hadley Beeman: +1 to jeniT ←
18:56:18 <jtandy_> phila: are we saying that issues on privacy, security etc. should be out of scope?
Phil Archer: are we saying that issues on privacy, security etc. should be out of scope? ←
18:56:22 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
18:56:24 <fjh> q+
Frederick Hirsch: q+ ←
18:56:36 <jtandy_> hadleybeeman: yes - because there's nothing _technical_ that we're trying to say
Hadley Beeman: yes - because there's nothing _technical_ that we're trying to say ←
18:57:17 <phila> PROPOSED: R-DataLifecyclePrivacy, R-SensitivePrivacy and R-SensitiveSecurity should be deleted from the requirements as they are out of scope for a W3C Rec Track doc. Any discussion should be, at most, informative.
PROPOSED: R-DataLifecyclePrivacy, R-SensitivePrivacy and R-SensitiveSecurity should be deleted from the requirements as they are out of scope for a W3C Rec Track doc. Any discussion should be, at most, informative. ←
18:57:29 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
18:57:36 <ericstephan> 0
Eric Stephan: 0 ←
18:57:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
18:57:40 <Ig_Bittencourt> 0
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: 0 ←
18:57:47 <jtandy_> laufer: we should identify these kinds of issues that data publishers should care about
Carlos Laufer: we should identify these kinds of issues that data publishers should care about ←
18:57:48 <yanai> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
18:57:49 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
18:57:50 <annette_g> +1 (observer)
Annette Greiner: +1 (observer) ←
18:57:56 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
18:57:57 <AdrianoC> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
18:57:58 <chunming> 0
Chunming Hu: 0 ←
18:58:17 <JeniT> q+ to say that there are things that you should still do to address privacy issues
Jeni Tennison: q+ to say that there are things that you should still do to address privacy issues ←
18:58:26 <jtandy_> ericstephan: this (moving out of scope) is fine ...
Eric Stephan: this (moving out of scope) is fine ... ←
18:58:44 <jtandy_> phila: we're not just about open data here ... we have to consider closed data too
Phil Archer: we're not just about open data here ... we have to consider closed data too ←
18:58:46 <newton_> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
18:58:50 <KenL> q+
Ken Laskey: q+ ←
18:59:13 <phila> ack fjh
Phil Archer: ack fjh ←
18:59:30 <jtandy_> phila: I'm concerned that if all these issues are removed we look like the "open data bp" WG
Phil Archer: I'm concerned that if all these issues are removed we look like the "open data bp" WG ←
19:00:15 <jtandy_> fjh: emerging best practice for Recs is to include a security and privacy section - and this should be reviewed by the relevent other WG within W3C
Frederick Hirsch: emerging best practice for Recs is to include a security and privacy section - and this should be reviewed by the relevent other WG within W3C ←
19:00:15 <phila> ack JeniT
Phil Archer: ack JeniT ←
19:00:15 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to say that there are things that you should still do to address privacy issues
Zakim IRC Bot: JeniT, you wanted to say that there are things that you should still do to address privacy issues ←
19:00:49 <jtandy_> JeniT: you seem to be taking out all the things about privacy
Jeni Tennison: you seem to be taking out all the things about privacy ←
19:01:34 <jtandy_> ... but there are still things you can do to include information that helps end-users feel more comfortable about using the data
... but there are still things you can do to include information that helps end-users feel more comfortable about using the data ←
19:01:51 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
19:01:59 <phila> ack KenL
Phil Archer: ack KenL ←
19:02:07 <jtandy_> ... the ODI's open data certificate includes recommendations to, say, include a data-privacy impact statemetn
... the ODI's open data certificate includes recommendations to, say, include a data-privacy impact statement ←
19:02:21 <jtandy_> s/statemetn/statement/
19:02:31 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
19:02:39 <jtandy_> KenL: we can have a range of restrictions; we should catalogue these
Ken Laskey: we can have a range of restrictions; we should catalogue these ←
19:02:49 <fjh> +1 to mentioning security/privacy assessement in a security/privacy considerations section
Frederick Hirsch: +1 to mentioning security/privacy assessment in a security/privacy considerations section ←
19:03:03 <fjh> s/assessement/assessment/
19:03:30 <hadleybeeman> Issue: R-DataLifecyclePrivacy, R-SensitivePrivacy and R-SensitiveSecurity and the topics they represent may or not be in scope for the working group
ISSUE: R-DataLifecyclePrivacy, R-SensitivePrivacy and R-SensitiveSecurity and the topics they represent may or not be in scope for the working group ←
19:03:31 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-57 - R-datalifecycleprivacy, r-sensitiveprivacy and r-sensitivesecurity and the topics they represent may or not be in scope for the working group. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/57/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-57 - R-datalifecycleprivacy, r-sensitiveprivacy and r-sensitivesecurity and the topics they represent may or not be in scope for the working group. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/57/edit>. ←
19:03:36 <jtandy_> annette_g: suggest that a dataset should be reviewed prior to publication according to their own policies - this should be part of the best practice
Annette Greiner: suggest that a dataset should be reviewed prior to publication according to their own policies - this should be part of the best practice ←
19:03:43 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
19:03:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila
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19:03:45 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
19:03:45 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T19-03-45
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T19-03-45 ←
19:03:49 <jtandy_> (back at 13:00)
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19:03:55 <KenL> quit
Ken Laskey: quit ←
19:04:09 <KenL> exit
Ken Laskey: exit ←
19:04:11 <phila> zakim, who is on the phone?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
19:04:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see SalonA, Caroline_
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19:04:12 <Zakim> SalonA has Reinaldo
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19:04:53 <phila> zakim, drop salona
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19:06:55 <Zakim> ... Gary_Driscoll, Vagner_Br, Bernadette, Caroline_, Ken_Laskey, Reinaldo, +1.509.372.aaaa, +1.509.372.aabb, antoine, SumitPurohit, +1.509.372.aacc
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20:13:40 <jtandy> scribenick: BartvanLeeuwen
20:14:00 <hadleybeeman> zakim, dial salonA
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20:14:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, who is on the phone
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20:14:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', BartvanLeeuwen
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20:14:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim who is on the phone
Zakim who is on the phone ←
20:14:52 <phila> zakimn, ipcaller is deirdrelee
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20:15:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: requirements for data access
20:16:17 <hadleybeeman> 4.1.9: Requirements for data access
Hadley Beeman: 4.1.9: Requirements for data access ←
20:16:21 <jtandy> q+ to ask about "realtime" ... do you mean millisenconds?
Jeremy Tandy: q+ to ask about "realtime" ... do you mean milliseconds? ←
20:16:32 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
20:16:42 <jtandy> s/millisenconds/milliseconds/
20:16:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> hadleybeeman, can we define bulk
hadleybeeman, can we define bulk ←
20:17:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> Issue: What do we mean with bulk 4.1.9 R-AccessBulk
ISSUE: What do we mean with bulk 4.1.9 R-AccessBulk ←
20:17:51 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-58 - What do we mean with bulk 4.1.9 r-accessbulk. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/58/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-58 - What do we mean with bulk 4.1.9 r-accessbulk. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/58/edit>. ←
20:17:54 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
20:17:57 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
20:18:03 <phila_> ack jtandy
Phil Archer: ack jtandy ←
20:18:03 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask about "realtime" ... do you mean millisenconds?
Zakim IRC Bot: jtandy, you wanted to ask about "realtime" ... do you mean millisenconds? ←
20:18:08 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
20:18:13 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:18:23 <JeniT> q+ to ask about how bulk works for eg sensor data
Jeni Tennison: q+ to ask about how bulk works for eg sensor data ←
20:18:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: Realtime tends to mean streamed not stored
Jeremy Tandy: Realtime tends to mean streamed not stored ←
20:18:58 <phila_> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
20:18:59 <ericstephan> +1 Jtandy's comment on real time
Eric Stephan: +1 Jtandy's comment on real time ←
20:19:02 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
20:19:19 <hadleybeeman> issue: we should agree on a definition for "real time"
ISSUE: we should agree on a definition for "real time" ←
20:19:19 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-59 - We should agree on a definition for "real time". Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/59/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-59 - We should agree on a definition for "real time". Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/59/edit>. ←
20:19:34 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
20:19:34 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T20-19-34
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T20-19-34 ←
20:20:08 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
20:20:12 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
20:20:25 <hadleybeeman> q-
Hadley Beeman: q- ←
20:20:26 <phila_> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
20:20:27 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
20:21:08 <BartvanLeeuwen> annette_g: some people want to avoid bulk, so make slices of data available
Annette Greiner: some people want to avoid bulk, so make slices of data available ←
20:21:37 <hadleybeeman> would it help to phrase this in terms of user needs? People want bulk data because... sometimes they want more or less of the dataset?
Hadley Beeman: would it help to phrase this in terms of user needs? People want bulk data because... sometimes they want more or less of the dataset? ←
20:21:43 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
20:21:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> annette_g: in research e.g. supercomputing files are huge
Annette Greiner: in research e.g. supercomputing files are huge ←
20:21:50 <phila_> ack Ig_Bittencourt
Phil Archer: ack Ig_Bittencourt ←
20:22:22 <phila_> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
20:22:26 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
20:22:42 <jtandy> q+ to note that R-AccessRealTime is a special case of R_AccessUpToDate
Jeremy Tandy: q+ to note that R-AccessRealTime is a special case of R_AccessUpToDate ←
20:22:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> Ig_Bittencourt: about access realtime, if we talk about producing there is no difference between R-AccessRealTime and R-Access Up to date
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: about access realtime, if we talk about producing there is no difference between R-AccessRealTime and R-Access Up to date ←
20:23:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: when we talk about data acces we talk about the different ways the data is available
Bernadette Farias Loscio: when we talk about data acces we talk about the different ways the data is available ←
20:23:19 <deirdrelee> q+ to say up-to-date applies to both bulk & real-time data
Deirdre Lee: q+ to say up-to-date applies to both bulk & real-time data ←
20:23:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: can we download a file or use a API
Bernadette Farias Loscio: can we download a file or use a API ←
20:23:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
q+ ←
20:23:46 <hadleybeeman> ack jeni
Hadley Beeman: ack jeni ←
20:23:46 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to ask about how bulk works for eg sensor data
Zakim IRC Bot: JeniT, you wanted to ask about how bulk works for eg sensor data ←
20:24:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> JeniT: sensor data , if we want bulk data download does it mean we should archive sensor data ?
Jeni Tennison: sensor data , if we want bulk data download does it mean we should archive sensor data ? ←
20:24:39 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
20:25:08 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila_: subsetting large data sets, yes I understand , is there scope in the current use cases
Phil Archer: subsetting large data sets, yes I understand , is there scope in the current use cases ←
20:25:45 <hadleybeeman> action: Eric Stephan and Annette to write a use case about real-time and bulk data
ACTION: Eric Stephan and Annette to write a use case about real-time and bulk data ←
20:25:45 <trackbot> 'Eric' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ek1, estephan).
Trackbot IRC Bot: 'Eric' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ek1, estephan). ←
20:26:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila_: R-Access Up to date and R-access-realtime are different
Phil Archer: R-Access Up to date and R-access-realtime are different ←
20:26:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila_: e.g. transport data, I need to know that in half minute scale
Phil Archer: e.g. transport data, I need to know that in half minute scale ←
20:26:33 <jtandy> adding to JeniT's comment: where realtime data is available as a stream, it is also beneficial to save the data to an archive & offer bulk access to that archive to download (historical) lumps of data
Jeremy Tandy: adding to JeniT's comment: where realtime data is available as a stream, it is also beneficial to save the data to an archive & offer bulk access to that archive to download (historical) lumps of data ←
20:26:35 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila_: trains don't need milisecond accuracy
Phil Archer: trains don't need milisecond accuracy ←
20:26:39 <hadleybeeman> q+ on the use cases for "up to date"
Hadley Beeman: q+ on the use cases for "up to date" ←
20:26:57 <hadleybeeman> action: Eric S to work with Annette to write a use case about real-time and bulk data
ACTION: Eric S to work with Annette to write a use case about real-time and bulk data ←
20:26:58 <trackbot> 'Eric' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ek1, estephan).
Trackbot IRC Bot: 'Eric' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ek1, estephan). ←
20:27:04 <hadleybeeman> action: EricStephan and Annette to write a use case about real-time and bulk data
ACTION: EricStephan and Annette to write a use case about real-time and bulk data ←
20:27:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - And annette to write a use case about real-time and bulk data [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-109 - And annette to write a use case about real-time and bulk data [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-11-06]. ←
20:27:15 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila_: up to date means within the published update timescale, e.g. weekly, then the data should be no more then a week old
Phil Archer: up to date means within the published update timescale, e.g. weekly, then the data should be no more then a week old ←
20:28:47 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
20:28:50 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
20:28:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> ericstephan: realtime does not always means always immediatly available on the web
Eric Stephan: realtime does not always means always immediatly available on the web ←
20:29:10 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:29:41 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
20:29:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> laufer: the archiving is important if we say we publish every week, we should be able to get old documents
Carlos Laufer: the archiving is important if we say we publish every week, we should be able to get old documents ←
20:30:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> laufer: realtime means same document is changed
Carlos Laufer: realtime means same document is changed ←
20:30:13 <hadleybeeman> ack jtandy
Hadley Beeman: ack jtandy ←
20:30:13 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to note that R-AccessRealTime is a special case of R_AccessUpToDate
Zakim IRC Bot: jtandy, you wanted to note that R-AccessRealTime is a special case of R_AccessUpToDate ←
20:30:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: access is realtime is a subcase of access up to date, the update frequency is defined period
Jeremy Tandy: access is realtime is a subcase of access up to date, the update frequency is defined period ←
20:31:11 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 to jtandy
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 to jtandy ←
20:31:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: met office provides near realtime data on lightning strikes, 10sec update after a strike
Jeremy Tandy: met office provides near realtime data on lightning strikes, 10sec update after a strike ←
20:31:47 <hadleybeeman> ack deirdre
Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre ←
20:31:47 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to say up-to-date applies to both bulk & real-time data
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to say up-to-date applies to both bulk & real-time data ←
20:32:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> deirdrelee: up to date applies to both to bulk & realtime
Deirdre Lee: up to date applies to both to bulk & realtime ←
20:32:17 <adler1> q+
Steven Adler: q+ ←
20:32:20 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
20:32:23 <EricKauz> +1
20:32:24 <Ig_Bittencourt> q-
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q- ←
20:32:26 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
20:32:30 <ericstephan> +1deirdre
Eric Stephan: +1deirdre ←
20:32:30 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
20:32:45 <jtandy> (I think it's something like 10-seconds ... take that as illustrative)
Jeremy Tandy: (I think it's something like 10-seconds ... take that as illustrative) ←
20:33:11 <deirdrelee> is 'stream' better word than 'real-time'
Deirdre Lee: is 'stream' better word than 'real-time' ←
20:33:13 <hadleybeeman> q-
Hadley Beeman: q- ←
20:33:14 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
20:33:25 <deirdrelee> up-to-date applies to both bulk & real-time
Deirdre Lee: up-to-date applies to both bulk & real-time ←
20:33:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: should we have a req for different types of data access
Bernadette Farias Loscio: should we have a req for different types of data access ←
20:34:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: api, download etc
Bernadette Farias Loscio: api, download etc ←
20:34:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: how do you make the data available
Bernadette Farias Loscio: how do you make the data available ←
20:35:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: we should at least say what the options are
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should at least say what the options are ←
20:35:10 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
20:35:14 <hadleybeeman> ack adler
Hadley Beeman: ack adler ←
20:35:46 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
20:35:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> adler1: do we have the refreshrate in a vocabulary, these 2 things are different and should have 2 elements in the vocabulary
Steven Adler: do we have the refreshrate in a vocabulary, these 2 things are different and should have 2 elements in the vocabulary ←
20:35:59 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
20:36:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> hadleybeeman: should the spec have 2 different elements to describe this.
Hadley Beeman: should the spec have 2 different elements to describe this. ←
20:36:08 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
20:36:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> laufer: BernadetteLoscio has raised a issue , if we have a API we have no means of knowing if the data is realtime or up to date
Carlos Laufer: BernadetteLoscio has raised a issue , if we have a API we have no means of knowing if the data is realtime or up to date ←
20:37:51 <hadleybeeman> issue: Does 4.1.9 accurately reflect the use cases? And can it be better summarised as data availability?
ISSUE: Does 4.1.9 accurately reflect the use cases? And can it be better summarised as data availability? ←
20:37:51 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-60 - Does 4.1.9 accurately reflect the use cases? and can it be better summarised as data availability?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/60/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-60 - Does 4.1.9 accurately reflect the use cases? and can it be better summarised as data availability?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/60/edit>. ←
20:37:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> laufer: if we distribute files we can see if its updates, but not with realtime data
Carlos Laufer: if we distribute files we can see if its updates, but not with realtime data ←
20:38:57 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
20:39:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila: explain DataUnvailabilty reference a set might reference to a NON open data set
Phil Archer: explain DataUnvailabilty reference a set might reference to a NON open data set ←
20:39:18 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
20:39:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila: should contain how to access that data
Phil Archer: should contain how to access that data ←
20:40:00 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
20:40:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> ericstephan: I support this requirement, I have use cases which have subject matter experts who do no want to disclose the data
Eric Stephan: I support this requirement, I have use cases which have subject matter experts who do no want to disclose the data ←
20:40:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> Ig_Bittencourt: should it be machine readable ?
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: should it be machine readable ? ←
20:40:38 <hadleybeeman> ack ig
Hadley Beeman: ack ig ←
20:40:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila: we have the requirement written somewhere else, but it could point to a document at e.g. another website
Phil Archer: we have the requirement written somewhere else, but it could point to a document at e.g. another website ←
20:41:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Data indentification
20:41:40 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila: R-Unique indentifier, the wording almost implies Linked Data
Phil Archer: R-Unique indentifier, the wording almost implies Linked Data ←
20:41:58 <ericstephan> resource can be restful without being linked (sorry not meaning to start holy war)
Eric Stephan: resource can be restful without being linked (sorry not meaning to start holy war) ←
20:42:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: the terminolgy should go in the gloassary
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the terminolgy should go in the gloassary ←
20:42:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> ericstephan: resource can be restful without being linked (sorry not meaning to start holy war)
Eric Stephan: resource can be restful without being linked (sorry not meaning to start holy war) ←
20:43:11 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:43:41 <hadleybeeman> ack b
Hadley Beeman: ack b ←
20:44:09 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
20:44:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: we should concern only about the dataset and files, and not the model inside
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should concern only about the dataset and files, and not the model inside ←
20:44:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: the datamodel defines if there are unique identifiers or not
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the datamodel defines if there are unique identifiers or not ←
20:44:34 <hadleybeeman> "By design a URI identifies one resource. We do not limit the scope of what might be a resource." http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#id-resources
Hadley Beeman: "By design a URI identifies one resource. We do not limit the scope of what might be a resource." http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#id-resources ←
20:44:39 <Zakim> + +44.796.910.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.796.910.aaaa ←
20:45:26 <markharrison> zakim, aaaa is markharrison
Mark Harrison: zakim, aaaa is markharrison ←
20:45:26 <Zakim> +markharrison; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markharrison; got it ←
20:45:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: if you are not using a URI, its not on the web
Jeremy Tandy: if you are not using a URI, its not on the web ←
20:46:02 <deirdrelee> q+ to talk about opengoup UDEF standard
Deirdre Lee: q+ to talk about opengoup UDEF standard ←
20:46:18 <markharrison> hello hadleybeeman and all - sorry for the delay in joining
Mark Harrison: hello hadleybeeman and all - sorry for the delay in joining ←
20:46:27 <hadleybeeman> ack deirdre
Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre ←
20:46:27 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to talk about opengoup UDEF standard
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to talk about opengoup UDEF standard ←
20:46:39 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
20:47:03 <phila> deirdrelee: UDEF was mentioned last week at an event
Deirdre Lee: UDEF was mentioned last week at an event [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
20:47:26 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: include the term "URI" in 4.1.11 R-UniqueIdentifier
PROPOSED: include the term "URI" in 4.1.11 R-UniqueIdentifier ←
20:47:28 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
20:47:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
+1 ←
20:47:42 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
20:47:43 <yanai> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
20:47:47 <deirdrelee> UDEF http://www.opengroup.org/udef/
Deirdre Lee: UDEF http://www.opengroup.org/udef/ ←
20:47:53 <AdrianoC> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
20:47:55 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
20:47:55 <newton_> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
20:47:59 <annette_g> +1 (observer)
Annette Greiner: +1 (observer) ←
20:48:09 <jtandy> +1 (observer) ...
Jeremy Tandy: +1 (observer) ... ←
20:48:11 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
20:48:14 <yaso> +2 yaso
Yaso Córdova: +2 yaso ←
20:48:16 <yaso> ops
Yaso Córdova: ops ←
20:48:16 <markharrison> +q to ask whether we mean a web-resolvable URI (e.g. HTTP URI) versus a URN?
Mark Harrison: +q to ask whether we mean a web-resolvable URI (e.g. HTTP URI) versus a URN? ←
20:48:18 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
20:48:19 <yaso> 1+
Yaso Córdova: 1+ ←
20:48:29 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
20:48:40 <Zakim> +Caroline_
Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline_ ←
20:49:04 <BartvanLeeuwen> markharrison: specifically state web resolvable URI's
Mark Harrison: specifically state web resolvable URI's ←
20:49:40 <ericstephan> +1 jtandy
Eric Stephan: +1 jtandy ←
20:49:50 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
20:50:07 <phila> ack markharrison
Phil Archer: ack markharrison ←
20:50:07 <Zakim> markharrison, you wanted to ask whether we mean a web-resolvable URI (e.g. HTTP URI) versus a URN?
Zakim IRC Bot: markharrison, you wanted to ask whether we mean a web-resolvable URI (e.g. HTTP URI) versus a URN? ←
20:50:07 <hadleybeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
20:50:10 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
20:50:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: URL for everydata item drives people nuts, I have petabytes of weather data
Jeremy Tandy: URL for everydata item drives people nuts, I have petabytes of weather data ←
20:50:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: are we talking about the files or the instances in the files
Bernadette Farias Loscio: are we talking about the files or the instances in the files ←
20:51:26 <jtandy> I want to _identify_ data items / resources ... but I don't necessarily want to have to put the machinery in place to make them all resolve on the web ... HTTP 404 response is fine; it just means "not found"
Jeremy Tandy: I want to _identify_ data items / resources ... but I don't necessarily want to have to put the machinery in place to make them all resolve on the web ... HTTP 404 response is fine; it just means "not found" ←
20:51:38 <phila> q+ to propose Each data resource should be associated with a unique identifier as a minimum at the dataset level. Such identifiers are expected to be Web resolveable URIs
Phil Archer: q+ to propose Each data resource should be associated with a unique identifier as a minimum at the dataset level. Such identifiers are expected to be Web resolveable URIs ←
20:51:44 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
20:51:44 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to propose Each data resource should be associated with a unique identifier as a minimum at the dataset level. Such identifiers are expected to be Web resolveable
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to propose Each data resource should be associated with a unique identifier as a minimum at the dataset level. Such identifiers are expected to be Web resolveable ←
20:51:47 <Zakim> ... URIs
Zakim IRC Bot: ... URIs ←
20:52:16 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
20:52:22 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
20:52:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> ericstephan: i like it except for dataset
Eric Stephan: i like it except for dataset ←
20:53:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: if we are going to define what we mean with dataset, that needs to go in a gloassary or point to DCAT
Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we are going to define what we mean with dataset, that needs to go in a gloassary or point to DCAT ←
20:53:16 <phila> I'm thinking this is an issue...
Phil Archer: I'm thinking this is an issue... ←
20:53:31 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
20:54:16 <hadleybeeman> Proposed: use DCAT definitions of "dataset" etc
PROPOSED: use DCAT definitions of "dataset" etc ←
20:54:26 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
20:54:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
+1 ←
20:54:30 <newton_> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
20:54:31 <ericstephan> +11
Eric Stephan: +11 ←
20:54:31 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
20:54:33 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
20:54:35 <yanai> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
20:54:35 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
20:54:36 <annette_g> +1 (observer)
Annette Greiner: +1 (observer) ←
20:54:38 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
20:54:39 <markharrison> +1
Mark Harrison: +1 ←
20:54:41 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
20:54:42 <AdrianoC> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
20:54:47 <EricKauz> +1
20:54:48 <jtandy> 0 (observer)
Jeremy Tandy: 0 (observer) ←
20:54:50 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
20:54:57 <hadleybeeman> resolved: use DCAT definitions of "dataset" etc
RESOLVED: use DCAT definitions of "dataset" etc ←
20:54:59 <CarlosIglesias> +1
Carlos Iglesias: +1 ←
20:55:11 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
20:55:34 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
20:55:58 <phila> MIME TYPES....
Phil Archer: MIME TYPES.... ←
20:55:58 <phila> MIME TYPES....
Phil Archer: MIME TYPES.... ←
20:55:59 <phila> MIME TYPES....
Phil Archer: MIME TYPES.... ←
20:56:25 <Caroline> Zakim, who is speaking?
Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
20:56:35 <Zakim> Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
20:58:21 <phila> -> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7111 RFC7111 gives URIs for each cell in a CSV
Phil Archer: -> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7111 RFC7111 gives URIs for each cell in a CSV ←
20:58:22 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
20:58:44 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
20:59:32 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
20:59:45 <hadleybeeman> q-
Hadley Beeman: q- ←
21:00:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila: for a UCR this is fine with me, we need to rephrase it in the BP
Phil Archer: for a UCR this is fine with me, we need to rephrase it in the BP ←
21:00:44 <JeniT> q?
Jeni Tennison: q? ←
21:01:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> hadleybeeman: now is not the time to discuss this
Hadley Beeman: now is not the time to discuss this ←
21:01:34 <JeniT> q+ to say that R-MultipleRepresentations duplicates R-FormatMultiple
Jeni Tennison: q+ to say that R-MultipleRepresentations duplicates R-FormatMultiple ←
21:01:36 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: Leave R-UniqueIdentifier as a requirement and expect much discussion when we work out what the best practice should be to meet it.
PROPOSED: Leave R-UniqueIdentifier as a requirement and expect much discussion when we work out what the best practice should be to meet it. ←
21:01:46 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
21:01:47 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
21:01:48 <laufer> 0
Carlos Laufer: 0 ←
21:01:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
+1 ←
21:01:52 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
21:01:53 <annette_g> +1 (observer)
Annette Greiner: +1 (observer) ←
21:01:54 <jtandy> +1 (observer)
Jeremy Tandy: +1 (observer) ←
21:01:54 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
21:01:54 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
21:01:55 <newton_> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
21:01:55 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
21:01:56 <EricKauz> +1
21:01:59 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
21:01:59 <yanai> +1
Flavio Yanai: +1 ←
21:02:04 <markharrison> +1
Mark Harrison: +1 ←
21:02:15 <hadleybeeman> RESOLVED: Leave R-UniqueIdentifier as a requirement and expect much discussion when we work out what the best practice should be to meet it.
RESOLVED: Leave R-UniqueIdentifier as a requirement and expect much discussion when we work out what the best practice should be to meet it. ←
21:02:19 <phila> ack JeniT
Phil Archer: ack JeniT ←
21:02:19 <Zakim> JeniT, you wanted to say that R-MultipleRepresentations duplicates R-FormatMultiple
Zakim IRC Bot: JeniT, you wanted to say that R-MultipleRepresentations duplicates R-FormatMultiple ←
21:02:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: R-MultipleRepresentations duplicates R-FormatMultiple
21:02:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> JeniT: R-MultipleRepresentations duplicates R-FormatMultiple
Jeni Tennison: R-MultipleRepresentations duplicates R-FormatMultiple ←
21:02:56 <hadleybeeman> action: phil to remove R-MultipleRepresentations as a duplicate of R-FormatMultiple
ACTION: phil to remove R-MultipleRepresentations as a duplicate of R-FormatMultiple ←
21:02:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Remove r-multiplerepresentations as a duplicate of r-formatmultiple [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-110 - Remove r-multiplerepresentations as a duplicate of r-formatmultiple [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06]. ←
21:03:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: does this lean towards coneg ?
Jeremy Tandy: does this lean towards content negotiation ? ←
21:03:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the wording should reflect that
Jeremy Tandy: the wording should reflect that ←
21:03:47 <hadleybeeman> s/coneg/content negotiation
21:04:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> markharrison: we are happy with content negotiation
Mark Harrison: we are happy with content negotiation ←
21:06:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila: R-Citable caries a lot of weight from the research data
Phil Archer: R-Citable caries a lot of weight from the research data ←
21:07:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila: its about citing not only the paper but also the data
Phil Archer: its about citing not only the paper but also the data ←
21:07:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> adler1: isn't this a license term, attribution ?
Steven Adler: isn't this a license term, attribution ? ←
21:07:54 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
21:07:59 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
21:08:39 <phila> ack erics
Phil Archer: ack erics ←
21:08:45 <jtandy> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
21:09:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> ericstephan: URI is not the strongest identifier, the DOI is stronger . e.g. in chemistry the data needs to be available for 5 years after your publication
Eric Stephan: URI is not the strongest identifier, the DOI is stronger . e.g. in chemistry the data needs to be available for 5 years after your publication ←
21:09:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> ericstephan: so the data doesn't have to be available / citable after 5 years
Eric Stephan: so the data doesn't have to be available / citable after 5 years ←
21:09:56 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
21:10:08 <hadleybeeman> ack j
Hadley Beeman: ack j ←
21:10:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: if you can't cite the data its not on the web
Jeremy Tandy: if you can't cite the data its not on the web ←
21:10:44 <BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: so if there is no mechanism for a hyperlink, its not on the web
Jeremy Tandy: so if there is no mechanism for a hyperlink, its not on the web ←
21:11:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila: there is a whole lot of work going on, its more then just a pointer
Phil Archer: there is a whole lot of work going on, its more then just a pointer ←
21:11:27 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
21:11:54 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
21:12:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> adler1: there is whole lot more then just research, also law
Steven Adler: there is whole lot more then just research, also law ←
21:12:04 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
21:12:20 <jtandy> +1 to adler1's comment ...
Jeremy Tandy: +1 to adler1's comment ... ←
21:12:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> BernadetteLoscio: should this be together with data usage requirements
Bernadette Farias Loscio: should this be together with data usage requirements ←
21:12:25 <jtandy> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
21:12:32 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
21:12:55 <Ig_Bittencourt> Scribe: Ig_Bittencourt
(Scribe set to Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto)
21:12:57 <hadleybeeman> action: phil to merge R-Citable with the data usage requirements
ACTION: phil to merge R-Citable with the data usage requirements ←
21:12:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Merge r-citable with the data usage requirements [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-111 - Merge r-citable with the data usage requirements [on Phil Archer - due 2014-11-06]. ←
21:13:05 <phila> ack l
Phil Archer: ack l ←
21:13:21 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
21:13:25 <Ig_Bittencourt> laufer: maybe this thing is related to prov
Carlos Laufer: maybe this thing is related to prov ←
21:13:32 <hadleybeeman> ack j
Hadley Beeman: ack j ←
21:13:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ to discuss talks at iswc
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ to discuss talks at iswc ←
21:13:48 <Ig_Bittencourt> jtandy: this requirement is an example of getting data on the web
Jeremy Tandy: this requirement is an example of getting data on the web ←
21:14:08 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... is example of this group to focus on this kind
... is example of this group to focus on this kind ←
21:14:24 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
21:14:37 <Ig_Bittencourt> .... this is a good practice
.... this is a good practice ←
21:15:02 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
21:15:02 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to discuss talks at iswc
Zakim IRC Bot: BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to discuss talks at iswc ←
21:15:04 <Ig_Bittencourt> jtandy: it is something really tangible
Jeremy Tandy: it is something really tangible ←
21:15:23 <Ig_Bittencourt> BartvanLeeuwen: it is exactly of how do we publish data
Bart van Leeuwen: it is exactly of how do we publish data ←
21:15:54 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... there is a movement in this way
... there is a movement in this way ←
21:16:04 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... but maybe more interested on dcat.
... but maybe more interested on dcat. ←
21:16:20 <jtandy> phila: notes that this requirement is one of the clear deliverables mentioned in the WG Charter
Phil Archer: notes that citation requirement is one of the clear deliverables mentioned in the WG Charter [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Tandy ] ←
21:16:37 <Ig_Bittencourt> phila: there is a manifesto related to data citation
Phil Archer: there is a manifesto related to data citation ←
21:16:40 <hadleybeeman> http://www.force11.org/AmsterdamManifesto
Hadley Beeman: http://www.force11.org/AmsterdamManifesto ←
21:16:40 <jtandy> s/this/citation/
21:16:51 <Ig_Bittencourt> phila: we can probably refer to them
Phil Archer: we can probably refer to them ←
21:16:54 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
21:18:15 <Ig_Bittencourt> Topic: Requirements for Data Publication
21:18:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
21:18:53 <ericstephan> Am I a non-web resource? ;-)
Eric Stephan: Am I a non-web resource? ;-) ←
21:19:05 <Ig_Bittencourt> hadleybeeman: do we care where data comes from...
Hadley Beeman: do we care where data comes from... ←
21:19:31 <Ig_Bittencourt> BernadetteLoscio: datashould be updated
Bernadette Farias Loscio: datashould be updated ←
21:19:52 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
21:20:00 <Ig_Bittencourt> jtandy: if you update, them you should make sure it is published on the web
Jeremy Tandy: if you update, them you should make sure it is published on the web ←
21:20:04 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
21:20:12 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... and that is visible to all.
... and that is visible to all. ←
21:20:21 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... kind a policy decision
... kind a policy decision ←
21:21:01 <hadleybeeman> deirdre, I think that makes sense, but I also think it may be out of scope
Hadley Beeman: deirdre, I think that makes sense, but I also think it may be out of scope ←
21:21:14 <Ig_Bittencourt> adler1: we can tell people what things are...
Steven Adler: we can tell people what things are... ←
21:21:15 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
21:21:17 <jtandy> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
21:21:42 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
21:21:51 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
21:22:19 <Ig_Bittencourt> ericstephan: just database... they are producing data...
Eric Stephan: just database... they are producing data... ←
21:22:26 <hadleybeeman> ack deirdre
Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre ←
21:22:32 <Ig_Bittencourt> .. not necessarily on the web.
.. not necessarily on the web. ←
21:22:59 <Ig_Bittencourt> deirdrelee: just talk about the dynamic
Deirdre Lee: just talk about the dynamic ←
21:22:59 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... which is similar to real time data...
... which is similar to real time data... ←
21:23:09 <hadleybeeman> ack j
Hadley Beeman: ack j ←
21:23:40 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
21:23:46 <Ig_Bittencourt> hadleybeeman: I think this is out of the scope
Hadley Beeman: I think this is out of the scope ←
21:24:22 <Ig_Bittencourt> adler1: make a recommendation to meausre
Steven Adler: make a recommendation to meausre ←
21:24:39 <Ig_Bittencourt> ericstephan: I like that sense
Eric Stephan: I like that sense ←
21:24:57 <Ig_Bittencourt> hadleybeeman: is the requirement to tell what data is
Hadley Beeman: is the requirement to tell how old certain data is ←
21:25:17 <Ig_Bittencourt> adler1: you can make a sentence if you want to measure it
Steven Adler: you can make a sentence if you want to measure it ←
21:25:19 <hadleybeeman> s/what data is/how old certain data is
21:25:36 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... i think if you put on the measurement
... i think if you put on the measurement ←
21:25:50 <hadleybeeman> and having the date of publication in the metadata allows reusers to measure
Hadley Beeman: and having the date of publication in the metadata allows reusers to measure ←
21:26:13 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
21:26:30 <Ig_Bittencourt> BernadetteLoscio: I think Data Publication is the whole thing
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think Data Publication is the whole thing ←
21:26:47 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... data access has to be discussed
... data access has to be discussed ←
21:27:23 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... I think we can bring this to the Data Access section
... I think we can bring this to the Data Access section ←
21:27:41 <Ig_Bittencourt> bring R-SynchronizedData
bring R-SynchronizedData ←
21:27:53 <hadleybeeman> What is a core register?
Hadley Beeman: What is a core register? ←
21:27:57 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... and R-CoreRegister is really related to the use case
... and R-CoreRegister is really related to the use case ←
21:28:14 <jtandy> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
21:28:20 <ericstephan> Does the Apple corporation have a "core" registry?
Eric Stephan: Does the Apple corporation have a "core" registry? ←
21:28:23 <hadleybeeman> "core register" comes from a data selection process
Hadley Beeman: "core register" comes from a data selection process ←
21:28:32 <phila> ack jtandy
Phil Archer: ack jtandy ←
21:28:44 <Ig_Bittencourt> jtandy: this is about having access to reference
Jeremy Tandy: this is about having access to reference ←
21:29:01 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... I agree if you publish data, you can use ...
... I agree if you publish data, you can use ... ←
21:29:02 <Ig_Bittencourt> ??
?? ←
21:29:31 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: 4.1.12 should be removed
PROPOSED: 4.1.12 should be removed ←
21:29:34 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
21:29:35 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
21:29:39 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
+1 ←
21:29:43 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
21:29:44 <newton_> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
21:29:45 <annette_g> +1 (observer)
Annette Greiner: +1 (observer) ←
21:29:46 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
21:29:47 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
21:29:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
21:29:51 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
21:29:53 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
21:30:00 <jtandy> (what I was saying is that if your data references terms from a code list, the code list should also be published)
Jeremy Tandy: (what I was saying is that if your data references terms from a code list, the code list should also be published) ←
21:30:05 <hadleybeeman> RESOLVED: 4.1.12 should be removed
RESOLVED: 4.1.12 should be removed ←
21:30:06 <jtandy> +1 (obs)
Jeremy Tandy: +1 (obs) ←
21:30:23 <deirdrelee> ok
Deirdre Lee: ok ←
21:30:52 <jtandy> (back in 15 mins)
Jeremy Tandy: (back in 15 mins) ←
21:31:18 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
21:42:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
21:43:03 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here ←
21:43:03 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you need to end that query with '?' ←
21:43:07 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
21:43:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see SalonA, markharrison, Caroline_, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SalonA, markharrison, Caroline_, [IPcaller] ←
21:43:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see deirdrelee, fjh, Vagner_Br, BernadetteLoscio, chunming, Caroline, adler1_, raphael, Gary1, ErikM, EricKauz, phila, AdrianoC, Ig_Bittencourt, adler1, markharrison,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see deirdrelee, fjh, Vagner_Br, BernadetteLoscio, chunming, Caroline, adler1_, raphael, Gary1, ErikM, EricKauz, phila, AdrianoC, Ig_Bittencourt, adler1, markharrison, ←
21:43:08 <Zakim> ... rhiaro_, laufer, JeniT, RRSAgent, Zakim, BartvanLeeuwen, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... rhiaro_, laufer, JeniT, RRSAgent, Zakim, BartvanLeeuwen, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
21:43:13 <deirdrelee> zakim, ipcaller is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
21:43:13 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
21:50:53 <deirdrelee> are we talking about last biscuit at coffee break?
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Deirdre Lee: are we talking about last biscuit at coffee break? ←
21:51:19 <deirdrelee> ah :)
Deirdre Lee: ah :) ←
21:56:12 <Ig_Bittencourt> Topic: Requirements for Persistence
21:56:40 <Ig_Bittencourt> BernadetteLoscio: here we are talking about persistence
Bernadette Farias Loscio: here we are talking about persistence ←
21:56:53 <Ig_Bittencourt> and I don't think persistence and archiving are the same thing
and I don't think persistence and archiving are the same thing ←
21:57:32 <Ig_Bittencourt> JeniT: sometimes preservations has a context
Bernadette Farias Loscio: sometimes preservations has a context ←
21:57:44 <Ig_Bittencourt> .. you need to transfer to something else
.. you need to transfer to something else ←
21:57:53 <Ig_Bittencourt> BernadetteLoscio: but this is for preservation
Bernadette Farias Loscio: but this is for preservation ←
21:58:04 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... is it the same for archive date?
... is it the same for archive date? ←
21:58:05 <JeniT> s/JeniT/BernadetteLoscio/
21:58:38 <Ig_Bittencourt> I don't know if we need to talk about this here.
I don't know if we need to talk about this here. ←
21:58:52 <Ig_Bittencourt> BernadetteLoscio: the data is already persistent.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the data is already persistent. ←
21:59:00 <Ig_Bittencourt> phila: but is a persistent identifier
Phil Archer: but is a persistent identifier ←
21:59:31 <Ig_Bittencourt> you could update your software
you could update your software ←
21:59:36 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... but your identifier is the same
... but your identifier is the same ←
22:00:01 <Ig_Bittencourt> adler1: we only really care about publication
Steven Adler: we only really care about publication ←
22:00:10 <Ig_Bittencourt> phila: but if you for some reason remove the date
Phil Archer: but if you for some reason remove the date ←
22:00:20 <Ig_Bittencourt> ... and you want the data again
... and you want the data again ←
22:01:16 <yaso> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
22:01:46 <jtandy_> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
22:02:14 <hadleybeeman> ack j
Hadley Beeman: ack j ←
22:02:50 <yaso> phila: that issue is already adressed
Phil Archer: that issue is already adressed ←
22:03:38 <yaso> … it must to be possible to follow the BP
… it must to be possible to follow the BP ←
22:04:14 <yaso> … there are cases where data will not be made available inrt
… there are cases where data will not be made available irt ←
22:04:22 <yaso> s/inrt/irt
22:04:45 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
22:05:05 <hadleybeeman> issue: R-archiving appears to be out of scope. We must ask Christophe, who put it in
ISSUE: R-archiving appears to be out of scope. We must ask Christophe, who put it in ←
22:05:05 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-61 - R-archiving appears to be out of scope. we must ask christophe, who put it in. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/61/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-61 - R-archiving appears to be out of scope. we must ask christophe, who put it in. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/61/edit>. ←
22:05:15 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
22:05:25 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: we should create another challenge
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we should create another challenge ←
22:05:45 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
22:05:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
22:05:54 <yaso> ericstephan: If data was archived you can make a requiement
Eric Stephan: If data was archived you can make a requirement ←
22:06:03 <yaso> s/requiement/requirement
22:06:42 <yaso> HadleyBeeman: what can we put in specs to solve this problem
Hadley Beeman: what can we put in specs to solve this problem ←
22:06:51 <yaso> phila: what we need to cover
Phil Archer: what we need to cover ←
22:06:51 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
22:06:56 <markharrison> +q
Mark Harrison: +q ←
22:07:12 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
22:07:24 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
22:08:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
22:09:22 <yaso> HadleyBeeman: I’m trying to understand what are the practices, why it is important for data on the web
Hadley Beeman: I’m trying to understand what are the practices, why it is important for data on the web ←
22:09:48 <Makx> zakim, ipcaller is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
22:09:48 <Zakim> +Makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx; got it ←
22:10:25 <yaso> … what’s the difference between posting anything on the web and archiving it
… what’s the difference between posting anything on the web and archiving it ←
22:10:40 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
22:10:43 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
22:10:54 <yaso> adler1: if anything is being archived out of the web then isn’t in our scope
Steven Adler: if anything is being archived out of the web then isn’t in our scope ←
22:10:54 <hadleybeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
22:11:11 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
22:12:06 <hadleybeeman> Is there a difference between archiving and "persistence of data"?
Hadley Beeman: Is there a difference between archiving and "persistence of data"? ←
22:12:39 <annette_g> q+ to ask what about redaction?
Annette Greiner: q+ to ask what about redaction? ←
22:12:51 <laufer> q?
Carlos Laufer: q? ←
22:13:10 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
22:13:10 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
22:13:33 <yaso> phila: and yes in that case the data should persist
Phil Archer: and yes in that case the data should persist ←
22:14:09 <yaso> phila: removing something is not to say that is not important
Phil Archer: removing something is not to say that is not important ←
22:14:37 <yaso> … what we agreed so far as yeet to be flashed out is that document will include non normative references
… what we agreed so far as yet to be flashed out is that document will include non normative references ←
22:14:43 <hadleybeeman> s/yeet/yet
22:15:07 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
22:15:09 <yaso> … that’s why the room is arguing to remove this thing about archiving data
… that’s why the room is arguing to remove this thing about archiving data ←
22:15:19 <hadleybeeman> ack annette
Hadley Beeman: ack annette ←
22:15:19 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask what about redaction?
Zakim IRC Bot: annette_g, you wanted to ask what about redaction? ←
22:15:48 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
22:15:58 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
22:16:40 <yaso> deirdrelee: you should be able to request data
Deirdre Lee: you should be able to request data ←
22:16:48 <phila> PersistentIdentification says: An identifier for a particular resource should be resolvable on the Web and associated for the foreseeable future with a single resource or with information about why the resource is no longer available.
Phil Archer: PersistentIdentification says: An identifier for a particular resource should be resolvable on the Web and associated for the foreseeable future with a single resource or with information about why the resource is no longer available. ←
22:17:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html fabien-gandon
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22:17:20 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
22:17:47 <Makx> +1 to what phil proposed
Makx Dekkers: +1 to what phil proposed ←
22:17:55 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
22:18:01 <yaso> hadleybeeman: is that something that you put in a technical spec
Hadley Beeman: is that something that you put in a technical spec ←
22:18:17 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
22:18:58 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
22:18:59 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
22:19:08 <yaso> laufer: the extension for the proposal that Phil made
Carlos Laufer: the extension for the proposal that Phil made ←
22:19:27 <yaso> … we don’t have to think outside the web
… we don’t have to think outside the web ←
22:19:47 <yaso> phila: that’s not in our scope
Phil Archer: that’s not in our scope ←
22:19:57 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight.
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight. ←
22:19:57 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'this meeting spans midnight.', hadleybeeman. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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22:20:31 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
22:20:44 <yaso> laufer: this could be in the initial stage, I can have a resource and a URI where the guy can send me an email and ask for that resource
Carlos Laufer: this could be in the initial stage, I can have a resource and a URI where the guy can send me an email and ask for that resource ←
22:21:51 <hadleybeeman> ack ig
Hadley Beeman: ack ig ←
22:21:54 <newton> scribe: newton
(Scribe set to Newton Calegari)
22:22:13 <newton> Ig_Bittencourt: I was wondering if deep web is in our scope
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I was wondering if deep web is in our scope ←
22:22:25 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
22:22:30 <newton> phila: out of the scope
Phil Archer: out of the scope ←
22:22:42 <phila> issue: What info is given when dereferencing a persistent Identifier after the resource has been removed/archived
ISSUE: What info is given when dereferencing a persistent Identifier after the resource has been removed/archived ←
22:22:42 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-62 - What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-62 - What info is given when dereferencing a persistent identifier after the resource has been removed/archived. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/62/edit>. ←
22:22:43 <hadleybeeman> Ig_Bittencourt: deep web = data that is not over HTTP
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: deep web = data that is not over HTTP [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
22:23:33 <phila> issue: If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else?
ISSUE: If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else? ←
22:23:33 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-63 - If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-63 - If a resource is archived, is the correct response 410, 303 or something else?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/63/edit>. ←
22:23:46 <Ig_Bittencourt> different classifications for Deep Web: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: different classifications for Deep Web: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web ←
22:23:53 <newton> laufer: is the URI is the identification of the resrouce or the other thing?
Carlos Laufer: is the URI is the identification of the resrouce or the other things? ←
22:23:57 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
22:24:00 <newton> s/thing/things
22:24:00 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
22:24:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila
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22:24:00 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
22:24:35 <newton> phila: Do we want to remove R-Archiving?
Phil Archer: Do we want to remove R-Archiving? ←
22:24:37 <deirdrelee> nah, i'm convinced :)
Deirdre Lee: nah, i'm convinced :) ←
22:24:43 <phila> PROPOSED: That the R-Archive requirement be removed
PROPOSED: That the R-Archive requirement be removed ←
22:24:44 <jtandy_> +1 (observer)
Jeremy Tandy: +1 (observer) ←
22:24:47 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
22:24:48 <ericstephan> +1 to tossing archival
Eric Stephan: +1 to tossing archival ←
22:24:49 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
22:24:49 <laufer> +0.99
Carlos Laufer: +0.99 ←
22:24:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
22:24:53 <annette_g> +1 (observer)
Annette Greiner: +1 (observer) ←
22:24:57 <newton> +1
+1 ←
22:25:01 <Ig_Bittencourt> 0
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: 0 ←
22:25:02 <adler1_> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
22:25:04 <Caroline> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
22:25:05 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
22:25:06 <EricKauz> +1
22:25:07 <Makx> +0
Makx Dekkers: +0 ←
22:25:21 <AdrianoC> +1
Adriano Pereira: +1 ←
22:25:54 <newton> Ig_Bittencourt: I'm still not convinced about that, because we can archiving in deep web
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I'm still not convinced about that, because we can archiving in deep web ←
22:26:04 <nigel> Present+ NigelMegitt
Nigel Megitt: Present+ NigelMegitt ←
22:26:07 <Makx> i'm just abstaining
Makx Dekkers: i'm just abstaining ←
22:26:11 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
22:26:28 <fabien-gandon> Present+ Fabien_Gandon
Fabien Gandon: Present+ Fabien_Gandon ←
22:26:36 <phila> RESOLVED: That the R-Archive requirement be removed
RESOLVED: That the R-Archive requirement be removed ←
22:26:37 <Makx> either way fine with me
Makx Dekkers: either way fine with me ←
22:26:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
22:27:04 <newton> phila: Now we're going to discuss the requirements for Data Quality
Phil Archer: Now we're going to discuss the requirements for Data Quality ←
22:27:26 <newton> BernadetteLoscio: I've a question about Data Quality, It's related to Metrics
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I've a question about Data Quality, It's related to Metrics ←
22:28:33 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
22:28:38 <newton> BernadetteLoscio: Metrics are domain independent
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Metrics are domain independent ←
22:29:05 <newton> BartvanLeeuwen: Quality is so subjective. It's so usage independent
Bart van Leeuwen: Quality is so subjective. It's so usage independent ←
22:29:51 <Makx> my proposal would be to distinguish subjective quality and objective metrics
Makx Dekkers: my proposal would be to distinguish subjective quality and objective metrics ←
22:30:14 <newton> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
22:30:32 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
22:30:41 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
22:31:03 <Makx> see link i sent by email to legislation.gov.uk FAQ
Makx Dekkers: see link i sent by email to legislation.gov.uk FAQ ←
22:31:23 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
22:32:16 <jtandy_> I agree with @Makx ... it's important to address objective quality (based on the result of test that have been done on the data) and subjective quality (based on, say, the fact it was made using a quality management system)
Jeremy Tandy: I agree with @Makx ... it's important to address objective quality (based on the result of test that have been done on the data) and subjective quality (based on, say, the fact it was made using a quality management system) ←
22:32:19 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
22:32:33 <Makx> will try
Makx Dekkers: will try ←
22:33:16 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
22:33:24 <jtandy_> q+ to note prior art ... ISO 19156:2013 Geographic information - data quality
Jeremy Tandy: q+ to note prior art ... ISO 19156:2013 Geographic information - data quality ←
22:33:25 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
22:33:34 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
22:33:41 <yaso> Ericstephan: one of the speakers yesterday
Eric Stephan: one of the speakers yesterday ←
22:34:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html raphael
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html raphael ←
22:34:26 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
22:34:53 <yaso> … we were listening to some of the speakers yesterday… iI was thinking about on how we can be smart using the web
… we were listening to some of the speakers yesterday… iI was thinking about on how we can be smart using the web ←
22:35:06 <hadleybeeman> ack jtandy
Hadley Beeman: ack jtandy ←
22:35:06 <Zakim> jtandy_, you wanted to note prior art ... ISO 19156:2013 Geographic information - data quality
Zakim IRC Bot: jtandy_, you wanted to note prior art ... ISO 19156:2013 Geographic information - data quality ←
22:35:07 <jtandy_> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=32575
Jeremy Tandy: http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=32575 ←
22:35:24 <yaso> jtandy_: you’re not alone about data quality
Jeremy Tandy: you’re not alone about data quality ←
22:35:31 <phila> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0132.html Makx's e-mail on this topic
Phil Archer: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0132.html Makx's e-mail on this topic ←
22:35:42 <Makx> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0132.html
Makx Dekkers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0132.html ←
22:36:48 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
22:36:52 <hadleybeeman> ack me
Hadley Beeman: ack me ←
22:36:56 <ericstephan> From TPAC: the term Mass participation relationg to QA ? – Di-Ann Eisnor
Eric Stephan: From TPAC: the term Mass participation relationg to QA ? – Di-Ann Eisnor ←
22:37:11 <yaso> HadleyBeeman: I wonder if we need more use cases on this. It sounds like.. there’s specific domains
Hadley Beeman: I wonder if we need more use cases on this. It sounds like.. there’s specific domains ←
22:37:14 <jtandy_> q+ to note that publishers should indicate the completeness - not that it necessarily needs to be complete
Jeremy Tandy: q+ to note that publishers should indicate the completeness - not that it necessarily needs to be complete ←
22:37:20 <Makx> example was http://www.legislation.gov.uk/help#aboutChangesToLeg but other FAQ items are relevant for quality too
Makx Dekkers: example was http://www.legislation.gov.uk/help#aboutChangesToLeg but other FAQ items are relevant for quality too ←
22:37:50 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
22:37:58 <phila> What Hadley is saying is the kind of thing is what I've always had in mind on that
Phil Archer: What Hadley is saying is the kind of thing is what I've always had in mind on that ←
22:37:58 <yaso> … I don’t know how to turn a use case in a deliverable
… I don’t know how to turn a use case in a deliverable ←
22:38:03 <phila> ack BartvanLeeuwen
Phil Archer: ack BartvanLeeuwen ←
22:38:04 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
22:38:06 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
22:38:24 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: I agree with Hadley, in some cases we can have a metric, but in others, no
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree with Hadley, in some cases we can have a metric, but in others, no ←
22:38:32 <ericstephan> I wonder if more use cases would make it more complicated. Lots of qa criteria..
Eric Stephan: I wonder if more use cases would make it more complicated. Lots of qa criteria.. ←
22:38:47 <yaso> … it is more general, If we identify what is more general, we can have simple metrics, maybe that can be possible
… it is more general, If we identify what is more general, we can have simple metrics, maybe that can be possible ←
22:39:14 <yaso> .. there’s a lot of discussions about dimentions of data quality
.. there’s a lot of discussions about dimentions of data quality ←
22:39:24 <yaso> … in some cases it’s necessary to have the metrics
… in some cases it’s necessary to have the metrics ←
22:39:29 <ericstephan> I'd prefer have a handle to say here's the data quality and let me describe in my own way
Eric Stephan: I'd prefer have a handle to say here's the data quality and let me describe in my own way ←
22:39:51 <Makx> +1 to eric
Makx Dekkers: +1 to eric ←
22:40:06 <phila> +1 to Hadley
Phil Archer: +1 to Hadley ←
22:40:08 <laufer> q?
Carlos Laufer: q? ←
22:40:20 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
22:40:23 <yaso> jtandy_: if you have quality exeptions,
Jeremy Tandy: if you have quality exeptions, ←
22:41:12 <yaso> … you don’t test it before the data is produced
… you don’t test it before the data is produced ←
22:41:27 <hadleybeeman> ack j
Hadley Beeman: ack j ←
22:41:27 <Zakim> jtandy_, you wanted to note that publishers should indicate the completeness - not that it necessarily needs to be complete
Zakim IRC Bot: jtandy_, you wanted to note that publishers should indicate the completeness - not that it necessarily needs to be complete ←
22:41:54 <fabien-gandon> q+ to say that one of the stories in the shape WG given by dublin core is about giving different outputs depending on the quality of the data validated
Fabien Gandon: q+ to say that one of the stories in the shape WG given by dublin core is about giving different outputs depending on the quality of the data validated ←
22:41:58 <annette_g> +1 to jtandy
Annette Greiner: +1 to jtandy ←
22:41:58 <yaso> … I like to see that change in the document
… I like to see that change in the document ←
22:42:00 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
22:42:01 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
22:42:30 <phila> issue: Jeremy T's expression of concern over 'data must be complete' - not realistic. Better to say where it isn't complete
ISSUE: Jeremy T's expression of concern over 'data must be complete' - not realistic. Better to say where it isn't complete ←
22:42:30 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-64 - Jeremy t's expression of concern over 'data must be complete' - not realistic. better to say where it isn't complete. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/64/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-64 - Jeremy t's expression of concern over 'data must be complete' - not realistic. better to say where it isn't complete. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/64/edit>. ←
22:42:39 <phila> RRSAgent, pointer?
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
22:42:39 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T22-42-39
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T22-42-39 ←
22:42:59 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
22:43:00 <jtandy_> (the example is sensor data ... if the sensor fails and the dataset has gaps it is "incomplete" but I would still want to publish that data)
Jeremy Tandy: (the example is sensor data ... if the sensor fails and the dataset has gaps it is "incomplete" but I would still want to publish that data) ←
22:43:05 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
22:43:06 <yaso> ericstephan: I think that our previous UC document has examples
Eric Stephan: I think that our previous UC document has examples ←
22:43:33 <hadleybeeman> @ericstephan: would a free text field meet the needs you just described?
Hadley Beeman: @ericstephan: would a free text field meet the needs you just described? ←
22:43:59 <hadleybeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
22:44:15 <yaso> Laufer: we have a lot of issues here.. can we define metrics about data independent of domains?
Carlos Laufer: we have a lot of issues here.. can we define metrics about data independent of domains? ←
22:44:59 <phila> AIUI we don't have to as jtandy_ has told us about the ISO standard which could be helpful
Phil Archer: AIUI we don't have to as jtandy_ has told us about the ISO standard which could be helpful ←
22:45:23 <phila> present+ Fabien_Gandon
Phil Archer: present+ Fabien_Gandon ←
22:45:53 <Makx> i'm all for dropping 'metrics' (for now) and seeing what we can do with text fields to start with
Makx Dekkers: i'm all for dropping 'metrics' (for now) and seeing what we can do with text fields to start with ←
22:46:09 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
22:46:12 <hadleybeeman> ack fabien
Hadley Beeman: ack fabien ←
22:46:12 <Zakim> fabien-gandon, you wanted to say that one of the stories in the shape WG given by dublin core is about giving different outputs depending on the quality of the data validated
Zakim IRC Bot: fabien-gandon, you wanted to say that one of the stories in the shape WG given by dublin core is about giving different outputs depending on the quality of the data validated ←
22:46:17 <Zakim> -Makx
Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx ←
22:47:29 <hadleybeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
22:47:49 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: if we can identify in our UC document what is relevant to data quality
Bernadette Farias Loscio: if we can identify in our UC document what is relevant to data quality ←
22:48:29 <yaso> … maybe we need to know what type of information we haave to describe in a dataset
… maybe we need to know what type of information we haave to describe in a dataset ←
22:48:40 <phila> q+ to suggest we move this to an issue
Phil Archer: q+ to suggest we move this to an issue ←
22:48:44 <ericstephan> @hadleybeeman - I'd prefer have a handle on DCAT to say here's the data quality and let me describe in my own way
Eric Stephan: @hadleybeeman - I'd prefer have a handle on DCAT to say here's the data quality and let me describe in my own way ←
22:49:01 <yaso> … the literature about data q. is really huge, so in the real world what is really necessary to data quality?
… the literature about data q. is really huge, so in the real world what is really necessary to data quality? ←
22:49:23 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
22:50:17 <yaso> adler1: even those steps will need best practices.
Steven Adler: even those steps will need best practices. ←
22:50:33 <yaso> … is more that description
… is more that description ←
22:50:41 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
22:51:21 <yaso> BernadetteLoscio: we have in minf “data quality should be avalable”
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we have in minf “data quality should be avalable” ←
22:51:29 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
22:51:51 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
22:52:17 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
22:52:20 <phila> proposed text... How to carry forward the data quality issue - more use cases? Available options? text only? machine readable dimensions?
Phil Archer: proposed text... How to carry forward the data quality issue - more use cases? Available options? text only? machine readable dimensions? ←
22:53:35 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
22:53:53 <phila> issue: How to carry forward the data quality issue - more use cases? Available options? text only? machine readable dimensions?
ISSUE: How to carry forward the data quality issue - more use cases? Available options? text only? machine readable dimensions? ←
22:53:53 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-65 - How to carry forward the data quality issue - more use cases? available options? text only? machine readable dimensions?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/65/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-65 - How to carry forward the data quality issue - more use cases? available options? text only? machine readable dimensions?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/65/edit>. ←
22:54:02 <fabien-gandon> The Dublin Core use case for providing different kinds of feedback as output of a validation was provided by Karen Coyle (DC) in the Shape WG ; not detailed in minutes unfortunately http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-shapes-minutes.html
Fabien Gandon: The Dublin Core use case for providing different kinds of feedback as output of a validation was provided by Karen Coyle (DC) in the Shape WG ; not detailed in minutes unfortunately http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-shapes-minutes.html ←
22:54:12 <phila> RRSAgent, pointer?
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
22:54:12 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T22-54-12
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T22-54-12 ←
22:54:58 <yaso> phila: early on today we where talking briefly
Phil Archer: early on today we where talking briefly ←
22:55:15 <yaso> … about how do you document your own vocabulary
… about how do you document your own vocabulary ←
22:55:19 <hadleybeeman> topic: multilingual web crossovers
22:56:05 <phila> present+ Addision Philipps
Phil Archer: present+ Addison Phillips ←
22:56:31 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises
Felix Sasaki: https://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises ←
22:56:33 <addison> s/Addision Philipps/Addison Phillips/
22:56:34 <phila> addison: I;m chair of the Internationalisation WG
Addison Philipps: I;m chair of the Internationalisation WG [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
22:57:09 <ericstephan> @Hadleybeeman no prob I can do it.
Eric Stephan: @Hadleybeeman no prob I can do it. ←
22:57:30 <hadleybeeman> scribe: ericstephan
(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)
22:57:48 <ericstephan> phila: Have you got a list to offer?
Phil Archer: Have you got a list to offer? ←
22:58:29 <ericstephan> felix: http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises
Felix Sasaki: http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/wiki/Best_practises ←
22:59:05 <ericstephan> felix: Just wanted to get your thoughts on the best practises we were working on
Felix Sasaki: Just wanted to get your thoughts on the best practises we were working on ←
22:59:39 <yaso> HadleyBeeman: o>
Hadley Beeman: o> [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
23:00:01 <ericstephan> phila: Thank you, you are working on a level at this point beyond where we are. In that context multilingual annotations came up this morning.
Phil Archer: Thank you, you are working on a level at this point beyond where we are. In that context multilingual annotations came up this morning. ←
23:00:21 <ericstephan> phila: This is really useful and welcome, I'm not sure we are ready for it at this point.
Phil Archer: This is really useful and welcome, I'm not sure we are ready for it at this point. ←
23:00:32 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: I agree
Hadley Beeman: I agree ←
23:01:21 <ericstephan> Felix: I don't know what your timeline, but it would be helpful to get your feedback
Felix Sasaki: I don't know what your timeline, but it would be helpful to get your feedback ←
23:02:23 <ericstephan> phila: Thomas K? Had a write up on identifiers and I agreed with about 10% of it. This Felix is really useful information.
Phil Archer: Tomas Carrasco Had a write up on identifiers and I agreed with about 10% of it. This fsasaki is really useful information. ←
23:03:01 <fsasaki> http://bpmlod.github.io/report/patterns/index.html
Felix Sasaki: http://bpmlod.github.io/report/patterns/index.html ←
23:03:02 <addison> q+
Addison Philipps: q+ ←
23:03:40 <ericstephan> phila: This is extremely helpful and please keep doing it.
Phil Archer: This is extremely helpful and please keep doing it. ←
23:03:52 <ericstephan> s/Felix/fsasaki/
23:04:13 <markharrison> s/Thomas K?/Tomas Carrasco/
23:04:57 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
23:05:02 <ericstephan> phila: we aren't limited to linked data, as a matter of process this is a community group document, this could be a potential output of the working group product just something to think about
Phil Archer: we aren't limited to linked data, as a matter of process this is a community group document, this could be a potential output of the working group product just something to think about ←
23:05:24 <hadleybeeman> ack addison
Hadley Beeman: ack addison ←
23:05:30 <ericstephan> phila: Its adding capability to this group and as you can see this is a pretty multi-lingual group.
Phil Archer: Its adding capability to this group and as you can see this is a pretty multi-lingual group. ←
23:05:58 <phila> For the WG - the phrase i18n is code for 'internationalisation' (i - 18 chars - n)
Phil Archer: For the WG - the phrase i18n is code for 'internationalisation' (i - 18 chars - n) ←
23:06:13 <ericstephan> ...please provide feedback to us...
...please provide feedback to us... ←
23:08:02 <ericstephan> bernadette: This is work that can go into vocabularies?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: This is work that can go into vocabularies? ←
23:08:26 <ericstephan> phila: Yes internationalization goes across everything...
Phil Archer: Yes internationalization goes across everything... ←
23:08:58 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
23:09:02 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: All of the work we are doing is setting up the agenda for the weeks and months ahead
Hadley Beeman: All of the work we are doing is setting up the agenda for the weeks and months ahead ←
23:10:08 <ericstephan> bernadette: We don't have requirements for data usage vocabulary yet. Its the same for data quality. We don't have requirements for data usage and data feedback....
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We don't have requirements for data usage vocabulary yet. Its the same for data quality. We don't have requirements for data usage and data feedback.... ←
23:10:55 <ericstephan> bernadette: For data usage we already have ideas about how to do this. Right now is data quality and usage should be available but we don't know how to do this.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: For data usage we already have ideas about how to do this. Right now is data quality and usage should be available but we don't know how to do this. ←
23:11:36 <hadleybeeman> proposed issue: We need more use cases to get the requirements to define the Data Usage vocabulary
Hadley Beeman: proposed issue: We need more use cases to get the requirements to define the Data Usage vocabulary ←
23:11:36 <ericstephan> bernadette: We don't have the requirements for the data usage data feedback and data quality, we need the requirements to describe the vocabularies.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We don't have the requirements for the data usage data feedback and data quality, we need the requirements to describe the vocabularies. ←
23:11:40 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
23:12:42 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
23:12:46 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
23:13:19 <hadleybeeman> ack berna
Hadley Beeman: ack berna ←
23:13:49 <phila> proposed (additional) issue - are we talking about one vocabulary or multiple vocabularies, DCAT+ or something else, to cover our vocab work (and what is a best practice)
Phil Archer: proposed (additional) issue - are we talking about one vocabulary or multiple vocabularies, DCAT+ or something else, to cover our vocab work (and what is a best practice) ←
23:14:08 <phila> scrap that, I don't like it
Phil Archer: scrap that, I don't like it ←
23:14:18 <hadleybeeman> issue: We need more use cases to get the requirements to define the Data Usage vocabulary
ISSUE: We need more use cases to get the requirements to define the Data Usage vocabulary ←
23:14:18 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-66 - We need more use cases to get the requirements to define the data usage vocabulary. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/66/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-66 - We need more use cases to get the requirements to define the data usage vocabulary. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/66/edit>. ←
23:15:27 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
23:15:27 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T23-15-27
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T23-15-27 ←
23:15:57 <ericstephan> adler1: I think after our discussion today if we would come up with a DCAT+ vocabulary, beyond the technical capability of us, perhaps its something that is defined at the field level.
Steven Adler: I think after our discussion today if we would come up with a DCAT+ vocabulary, beyond the technical capability of us, perhaps its something that is defined at the field level. ←
23:16:45 <laufer> +1 to steve
Carlos Laufer: +1 to steve ←
23:16:50 <ericstephan> adler1: WE don't have the expertise to define data quality we can develop the best practices for how you define or articulate best practices.
Steven Adler: WE don't have the expertise to define data quality we can develop the best practices for how you define or articulate best practices. ←
23:16:55 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
23:16:57 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
23:16:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
23:17:01 <ericstephan> break time
break time ←
23:17:03 <hadleybeeman> BREAK FOR 15 MINS
Hadley Beeman: BREAK FOR 15 MINS ←
23:17:33 <ericstephan> In the spirit of internationalism I take back my toss comment after looking of the slang term in english
In the spirit of internationalism I take back my toss comment after looking of the slang term in english ←
23:17:53 <markharrison> It's still Thursday here (for another 43 minutes...)
Mark Harrison: It's still Thursday here (for another 43 minutes...) ←
23:18:33 <markharrison> Cambridge, UK
Mark Harrison: Cambridge, UK ←
23:18:54 <markharrison> Here it's 11.18pm
Mark Harrison: Here it's 11.18pm ←
23:19:36 <nigel> Present- NigelMegitt
Nigel Megitt: Present- NigelMegitt ←
23:25:48 <Zakim> -Caroline_
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Caroline_ ←
23:34:02 <Zakim> +Caroline_
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Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline_ ←
23:42:34 <hadleybeeman> jenit: http://dragoman.org/comuri.html
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Jeni Tennison: http://dragoman.org/comuri.html [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
23:43:12 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
23:43:18 <deirdrelee> around 17th March???
Deirdre Lee: around 17th March??? ←
23:46:27 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: I think we have done everything to gather issues from the requirements, we need to break out into smaller groups or stay all together.
Hadley Beeman: I think we have done everything to gather issues from the requirements, we need to break out into smaller groups or stay all together. ←
23:47:24 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: From my point of view the two themes we keep coming back to....Scope thoughts 1) Is it unique to publishing on the web?
Hadley Beeman: From my point of view the two themes we keep coming back to....Scope thoughts 1) Is it unique to publishing on the web? ←
23:47:51 <ericstephan> 2) Does addressing it encourage people to publish/reuse data on the web? (or remove barriers to it?)
2) Does addressing it encourage people to publish/reuse data on the web? (or remove barriers to it?) ←
23:48:23 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
23:48:25 <hadleybeeman> ack me
Hadley Beeman: ack me ←
23:48:49 <ericstephan> yaso: I was in conference last week in SFO, I asked about semantics, they don't use vocabularies. They just use data, not vocabularies or ontologies.
Yaso Córdova: I was in conference last week in SFO, I asked about semantics, they don't use vocabularies. They just use data, not vocabularies or ontologies. ←
23:49:33 <ericstephan> yaso: Most people are semantic oriented, I would like to see more use cases that aren't semantic web focused
Yaso Córdova: Most people are semantic oriented, I would like to see more use cases that aren't semantic web focused ←
23:49:40 <hadleybeeman> Yaso is mentioning Netflix and Medium
Hadley Beeman: Yaso is mentioning Netflix and Medium ←
23:50:04 <ericstephan> yaso: Like if two companies want to integrate data, they don't define a vocabulary they just define terms to integrate their data.
Yaso Córdova: Like if two companies want to integrate data, they don't define a vocabulary they just define terms to integrate their data. ←
23:50:29 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
23:50:31 <ericstephan> laufer: I think they have semantics
Carlos Laufer: I think they have semantics ←
23:51:14 <ericstephan> laufer: I think its impossible to not have semantics, we have to separate out these things, what are the semantics they want to aggregate?
Carlos Laufer: I think its impossible to not have semantics, we have to separate out these things, what are the semantics they want to aggregate? ←
23:51:37 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
23:52:01 <ericstephan> laufer: People can find information, each one of the approaches uses semantics but in different formats.
Carlos Laufer: People can find information, each one of the approaches uses semantics but in different formats. ←
23:52:24 <ericstephan> yaso: Eric mentioned web of things as well.
Yaso Córdova: Eric mentioned web of things as well. ←
23:52:29 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
23:52:34 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
23:52:56 <ericstephan> bernadette: I think we agree we aren't publishing specifically rdf data or data formats, lets support different data formats.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we agree we aren't publishing specifically rdf data or data formats, lets support different data formats. ←
23:53:43 <ericstephan> bernadette: We have use cases that are not RDF, about the vocabularies, you can publish data without the vocabulary. In my opinion this makes data publication more difficult.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have use cases that are not RDF, about the vocabularies, you can publish data without the vocabulary. In my opinion this makes data publication more difficult. ←
23:54:08 <KenL> q+ to say we need to be able to use whatever semantics the source is willing to provide. Demonstrating use of data will encourage behaviors that make the data most usable for a reasonable effort.
Ken Laskey: q+ to say we need to be able to use whatever semantics the source is willing to provide. Demonstrating use of data will encourage behaviors that make the data most usable for a reasonable effort. ←
23:54:38 <ericstephan> bernadette: If two people publish data in two different domains and use the same vocabulary its more of an agreement of terms, its going to make your life more difficult if you don't have a vocabulary
Bernadette Farias Loscio: If two people publish data in two different domains and use the same vocabulary its more of an agreement of terms, its going to make your life more difficult if you don't have a vocabulary ←
23:54:54 <ericstephan> no prob @Caroline
no prob @Caroline ←
23:54:57 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso
Hadley Beeman: ack yaso ←
23:54:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
23:55:30 <hadleybeeman> ack ken
Hadley Beeman: ack ken ←
23:55:30 <Zakim> KenL, you wanted to say we need to be able to use whatever semantics the source is willing to provide. Demonstrating use of data will encourage behaviors that make the data most
Zakim IRC Bot: KenL, you wanted to say we need to be able to use whatever semantics the source is willing to provide. Demonstrating use of data will encourage behaviors that make the data most ←
23:55:31 <ericstephan> yaso: we need to study why others are not using vocabularies and we have to assume that others may not use that.
Yaso Córdova: we need to study why others are not using vocabularies and we have to assume that others may not use that. ←
23:55:34 <Zakim> ... usable for a reasonable effort.
Zakim IRC Bot: ... usable for a reasonable effort. ←
23:55:57 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
23:56:08 <ericstephan> kenL: We need to provide a minimum of what people need to provide and where they need to provide it. DOn't se the bar to high.
Ken Laskey: We need to provide a minimum of what people need to provide and where they need to provide it. DOn't se the bar to high. ←
23:56:24 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
23:57:19 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
23:57:19 <ericstephan> Bartvanleeeuwen: For smaller companies getting code lists can be a nightmare if they don't support best practices. The whole process of getting there is setting up the best practices.
Bart van Leeuwen: For smaller companies getting code lists can be a nightmare if they don't support best practices. The whole process of getting there is setting up the best practices. ←
23:57:20 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
23:57:51 <ericstephan> adler1: A small percentage of data on the web is rdf....
Steven Adler: A small percentage of data on the web is rdf.... ←
23:59:06 <ericstephan> phila: I was talking with Ann and Adam at boeing about supply chain data. It is of interest to W3C, its the kind of stuff gs1 works on. It probably goes into more detail than what this group does ...
Phil Archer: I was talking with Ann and Adam at boeing about supply chain data. It is of interest to W3C, its the kind of stuff gs1 works on. It probably goes into more detail than what this group does ... ←
00:00:07 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
00:00:14 <ericstephan> phila: As people said this isn't a linked data group, we aren't going to put something in this that you must use linked data. json-ld is a way to go for non-linked data groups.
Phil Archer: As people said this isn't a linked data group, we aren't going to put something in this that you must use linked data. json-ld is a way to go for non-linked data groups. ←
00:00:39 <ericstephan> phila: data visualization and supply chain are other efforts I want to get into...
Phil Archer: data visualization and supply chain are other efforts I want to get into... ←
00:00:41 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
00:00:50 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
00:01:11 <hadleybeeman> ericstephan: Re vocabularies: I've been concerned that we've been talking about something broader than linked data.
Eric Stephan: Re vocabularies: I've been concerned that we've been talking about something broader than linked data. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
00:01:21 <hadleybeeman> ... I thought we'd agreed that a vocabulary is just a model.
Hadley Beeman: ... I thought we'd agreed that a vocabulary is just a model. ←
00:01:34 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
00:01:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
00:01:36 <hadleybeeman> ... As long as that's the case, — yaso, does that keep us out of the weeds enough?
Hadley Beeman: ... As long as that's the case, — yaso, does that keep us out of the weeds enough? ←
00:01:39 <Vagner_Br> ?q
Vagner Diniz: ?q ←
00:01:42 <Vagner_Br> q?
Vagner Diniz: q? ←
00:01:43 <hadleybeeman> ack bernadette
Hadley Beeman: ack bernadette ←
00:01:46 <Vagner_Br> q+
Vagner Diniz: q+ ←
00:01:49 <markharrison> Thanks, phila for talking with Ann and Adam at Boeing. For supply chain data (about events), please see http://gs1.org/EPCIS (GS1 EPC Information Services standard). In GS1 Digital / GTIN+ on the Web, we are leaning towards JSON-LD for including a single block of structured data about products and product offers - happy to discuss further with you and Boeing folks
Mark Harrison: Thanks, phila for talking with Ann and Adam at Boeing. For supply chain data (about events), please see http://gs1.org/EPCIS (GS1 EPC Information Services standard). In GS1 Digital / GTIN+ on the Web, we are leaning towards JSON-LD for including a single block of structured data about products and product offers - happy to discuss further with you and Boeing folks ←
00:02:02 <ericstephan> bernadette: The requirements show we should reuse vocabularies
Bernadette Farias Loscio: The requirements show we should reuse vocabularies ←
00:02:20 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
00:02:27 <ericstephan> yaso: we have a second round of use cases that need to added.
Yaso Córdova: we have a second round of use cases that need to added. ←
00:02:40 <hadleybeeman> q+ adler
Hadley Beeman: q+ adler ←
00:02:42 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
00:02:47 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
00:03:43 <ericstephan> bartvanleeuwen: I like what Eric was saying, in the supply chain the xml schema from the data, it has a namespace that didn't resolve, if you are going to do data on the web you should publish your schema not the vocabulary
Bart van Leeuwen: I like what Eric was saying, in the supply chain the xml schema from the data, it has a namespace that didn't resolve, if you are going to do data on the web you should publish your schema not the vocabulary ←
00:04:18 <ericstephan> bartvanleeuwen: mapping a vocabulary to an xml schema is still a vocabulary.
Bart van Leeuwen: mapping a vocabulary to an xml schema is still a vocabulary. ←
00:04:22 <jtandy> q+
Jeremy Tandy: q+ ←
00:04:35 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
00:05:20 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
00:05:28 <ericstephan> bernadette: I agree with you, you can have simple and complex things if you want you can just have a simple vocabulary to make just the concepts. If we are talking about the same thing it doesn't have to be complex it just needs to be qualified
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree with you, you can have simple and complex things if you want you can just have a simple vocabulary to make just the concepts. If we are talking about the same thing it doesn't have to be complex it just needs to be qualified ←
00:05:31 <hadleybeeman> ack v
Hadley Beeman: ack v ←
00:06:15 <ericstephan> vagner_br: I am just trying to understand yaso. Are you trying to disquish structured and non-structured data like you find in social networks?
Vagner Diniz: I am just tying to understand yaso. Are you tying to distinguish structured and non-structured data like you find in social networks? ←
00:06:19 <ericstephan> yaso: Yes
Yaso Córdova: Yes ←
00:06:24 <hadleybeeman> s/disquish/distinguish
00:06:47 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
00:06:53 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
00:07:12 <ericstephan> yaso: Lets have a hypothetical use case where you make machinery to predict customer behavior on the web I just think you need to support this type of ecosystem
Yaso Córdova: Lets have a hypothetical use case where you make machinery to predict customer behavior on the web I just think you need to support this type of ecosystem ←
00:07:55 <ericstephan> phila: one of the strategic things we did at W3C was stop the semantic web activity and we went to the data activity....
Phil Archer: one of the strategic things we did at W3C was stop the semantic web activity and we went to the data activity.... ←
00:09:00 <hadleybeeman> ack adler
Hadley Beeman: ack adler ←
00:09:07 <ericstephan> phila: If you want to describe data in a catalog is uris and models use jason-ld ;-)
Phil Archer: If you want to describe data in a catalog is uris and models use jason-ld ;-) ←
00:09:10 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
00:09:11 <hadleybeeman> ack jt
Hadley Beeman: ack jt ←
00:09:30 <markharrison> q+
Mark Harrison: q+ ←
00:10:02 <phila> +1 to jtandy
Phil Archer: +1 to jtandy ←
00:10:02 <ericstephan> jtandy: listen to the body, just want to be sensitive to the group. IF you publish the data on the web publish your schema on the web in a referenciable way
Jeremy Tandy: listen to the body, just want to be sensitive to the group. IF you publish the data on the web publish your schema on the web in a referenciable way ←
00:10:21 <ericstephan> jtandy: Don't care, just publish the schema
Jeremy Tandy: Don't care, just publish the schema ←
00:11:22 <ericstephan> jtandy: if you publish a vocabulary talk about data schema and code lists as the other meaning of the vocabulary.
Jeremy Tandy: if you publish a vocabulary talk about data schema and code lists as the other meaning of the vocabulary. ←
00:12:37 <ericstephan> bernadette: I fully agree that we have the schema the code lists, should I use something to say that what context should I use, person, foaf person, schema.org person what context do I usee?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I fully agree that we have the schema the code lists, should I use something to say that what context should I use, person, foaf person, schema.org person what context do I usee? ←
00:13:01 <jtandy> (meaning that a "data schema" is the description of how your data is structured and what the 'classes' mean ... this might be an XML Schema, an OWL ontology, a CSV schema etc.)
Jeremy Tandy: (meaning that a "data schema" is the description of how your data is structured and what the 'classes' mean ... this might be an XML Schema, an OWL ontology, a CSV schema etc.) ←
00:13:12 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
00:13:13 <ericstephan> bernadette: Its like the namespace on xml we define it once and use everywhere....
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Its like the namespace on xml we define it once and use everywhere.... ←
00:13:26 <ericstephan> boy do people talk fast at the end of the day...
boy do people talk fast at the end of the day... ←
00:13:28 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
00:13:33 <yaso_> q-
Yaso Córdova: q- ←
00:13:33 <ericstephan> ;-)
;-) ←
00:14:09 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
00:14:54 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: I think we have to look at process, I hear what you are saying Yaso but we only have one use case that mentions vocabulary.
Hadley Beeman: I think we have to look at process, I hear what you are saying Yaso but we only have one use case that mentions vocabulary. ←
00:14:55 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
00:15:38 <ericstephan> yaso: Maybe we need to look at different companies, we need to look at data in government environment.
Yaso Córdova: Maybe we need to look at different companies, we need to look at data in government environment. ←
00:15:48 <phila> Twitter publishes its data in XML...
Phil Archer: Twitter publishes its data in XML... ←
00:15:51 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
00:16:05 <yaso_> q-
Yaso Córdova: q- ←
00:16:25 <ericstephan> laufer: I think that we are thinking about the broader use of vocabulary, we have different ways of describing things.
Carlos Laufer: I think that we are thinking about the broader use of vocabulary, we have different ways of describing things. ←
00:16:42 <phila> q+ to talk about NetFlix
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about NetFlix ←
00:16:50 <hadleybeeman> q+ adrianoC
Hadley Beeman: q+ adrianoC ←
00:17:08 <jtandy> +1 to @laufer's comment that the "data schema" must by machine readable _and_ publicly available
Jeremy Tandy: +1 to @laufer's comment that the "data schema" must by machine readable _and_ publicly available ←
00:17:33 <hadleybeeman> Does anyone else use Netflix's data? Or is just for them to use internally?
Hadley Beeman: Does anyone else use Netflix's data? Or is just for them to use internally? ←
00:17:58 <hadleybeeman> (If it's just for them to use internally, then they don't need to make it understandable to other people who they don't speak to)
Hadley Beeman: (If it's just for them to use internally, then they don't need to make it understandable to other people who they don't speak to) ←
00:18:06 <yaso> I think it’s just internally, Hadley. But they collect it at the Web.
Yaso Córdova: I think it’s just internally, Hadley. But they collect it at the Web. ←
00:18:13 <yaso> mostly
Yaso Córdova: mostly ←
00:18:19 <hadleybeeman> Ah okay — different use case then. Thanks!
Hadley Beeman: Ah okay — different use case then. Thanks! ←
00:18:25 <yaso> :-)
Yaso Córdova: :-) ←
00:18:29 <ericstephan> I think the point of the unstructured data, data on the web, using the most raw data like the html code, in this case, the other part of my group is working how a user application can consume this data and give semantics to the data
I think the point of the unstructured data, data on the web, using the most raw data like the html code, in this case, the other part of my group is working how a user application can consume this data and give semantics to the data ←
00:18:49 <laufer> q?
Carlos Laufer: q? ←
00:18:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 hadleybeeman
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 hadleybeeman ←
00:18:54 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso
Hadley Beeman: ack yaso ←
00:19:47 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
00:19:52 <yaso> I think yes, Caroline
Yaso Córdova: I think yes, Caroline ←
00:19:55 <hadleybeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
00:19:55 <ericstephan> adrianoC: Are we also dealing with multiple structures or multiple documents? Just a question its a minimal requirement we have to define...
Adriano Pereira: Are we also dealing with multiple structures or multiple documents? Just a question its a minimal requirement we have to define... ←
00:20:23 <ericstephan> markharrison: We plan to use json-ld
Mark Harrison: We plan to use json-ld ←
00:20:24 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
00:20:38 <KenL> q+ to say first requirement for data schema (or any vocabulary representation) is to be publicly available with a strong preference that it be machine readable, but first priority is to make data unambiguously related to a means to interpret the data
Ken Laskey: q+ to say first requirement for data schema (or any vocabulary representation) is to be publicly available with a strong preference that it be machine readable, but first priority is to make data unambiguously related to a means to interpret the data ←
00:20:44 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
00:20:44 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about NetFlix
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about NetFlix ←
00:21:38 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
00:21:50 <hadleybeeman> ack adr
Hadley Beeman: ack adr ←
00:21:50 <ericstephan> phila: Netflix, they see it as a competitive advantage to have a ton of metadata and use criteria they have an interest in not sharing the data.
Phil Archer: Netflix, they see it as a competitive advantage to have a ton of metadata and use criteria they have an interest in not sharing the data. ←
00:21:52 <hadleybeeman> ack ig
Hadley Beeman: ack ig ←
00:22:15 <ericstephan> Ig_Bittencourt: If we ate talking about best practices on the web, you need structure and semantics to be reusable.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: If we ate talking about best practices on the web, you need structure and semantics to be reusable. ←
00:22:19 <hadleybeeman> ack ken
Hadley Beeman: ack ken ←
00:22:19 <Zakim> KenL, you wanted to say first requirement for data schema (or any vocabulary representation) is to be publicly available with a strong preference that it be machine readable, but
Zakim IRC Bot: KenL, you wanted to say first requirement for data schema (or any vocabulary representation) is to be publicly available with a strong preference that it be machine readable, but ←
00:22:21 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
00:22:23 <Zakim> ... first priority is to make data unambiguously related to a means to interpret the data
Zakim IRC Bot: ... first priority is to make data unambiguously related to a means to interpret the data ←
00:22:28 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
00:23:29 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
00:23:30 <ericstephan> KenL: The schema should be accessible and available. We should interpret it as a schema so that it is accessible and machine readable.
Ken Laskey: The schema should be accessible and available. We should interpret it as a schema so that it is accessible and machine readable. ←
00:23:31 <hadleybeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
00:23:35 <phila> q+ to riff on the theme of stars
Phil Archer: q+ to riff on the theme of stars ←
00:24:15 <Ig_Bittencourt> s\ate\are
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: s\are\are ←
00:24:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
Bart van Leeuwen: +q ←
00:24:40 <phila> s/ate/are/
00:24:46 <jtandy> +1 to KenL's use of the phrase that if you publish data then you should also publish the complementary information that enables "unambiguous interpretation of the data" ... what I was referring to as the "data schema"
Jeremy Tandy: +1 to KenL's use of the phrase that if you publish data then you should also publish the complementary information that enables "unambiguous interpretation of the data" ... what I was referring to as the "data schema" ←
00:24:54 <hadleybeeman> ericstephan: There is a lot of implied metadata in what we're discussing
Eric Stephan: There is a lot of implied metadata in what we're discussing [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
00:25:05 <hadleybeeman> ...Trying info together after the fact isn't a best practice
Hadley Beeman: ...Trying info together after the fact isn't a best practice ←
00:25:20 <hadleybeeman> s/trying/tying
00:25:25 <hadleybeeman> ack bernadette
Hadley Beeman: ack bernadette ←
00:25:55 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ to propose 5star approach for vocabularies ?
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ to propose 5star approach for vocabularies ? ←
00:26:01 <ericstephan> bernadette: data formats used to publish data, cdv, json-ld, json, xml etc Can we specify this?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: data formats used to publish data, cdv, json-ld, json, xml etc Can we specify this? ←
00:26:20 <ericstephan> Yes I can show a use case @hadley
Yes I can show a use case @hadley ←
00:26:59 <ericstephan> bernadette: Should we give some indication about a possible format? as a best practice?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Should we give some indication about a possible format? as a best practice? ←
00:27:04 <hadleybeeman> issue: should we include a best practice around which format to use? (CSV, JSON, JSON-LD, XML, etc.)
ISSUE: should we include a best practice around which format to use? (CSV, JSON, JSON-LD, XML, etc.) ←
00:27:04 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-67 - Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.). Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-67 - Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.). Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67/edit>. ←
00:27:09 <hadleybeeman> rrsagent, pointer?
Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, pointer? ←
00:27:09 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T00-27-09
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-irc#T00-27-09 ←
00:27:50 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
00:28:05 <phila> rrsagent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
00:28:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←
00:28:17 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
00:28:30 <phila> ack laufer
Phil Archer: ack laufer ←
00:28:34 <ericstephan> bernadette: the whole idea is to show how to publish data in a better way...if you are going to recommend something and you have HTML data and its not the best option to publish not to publish data
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the whole idea is to show how to publish data in a better way...if you are going to recommend something and you have HTML data and its not the best option to publish not to publish data ←
00:28:42 <AdrianoC> +q
Adriano Pereira: +q ←
00:28:50 <yaso> q=
Yaso Córdova: q= ←
00:28:52 <yaso> ops
Yaso Córdova: ops ←
00:28:52 <ericstephan> laufer: I agree its with ken to have a good description of the data
Carlos Laufer: I agree its with ken to have a good description of the data ←
00:28:55 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
00:29:20 <ericstephan> laufer: I think we are thinking 5 star we need to remember 1-4 stars as well.
Carlos Laufer: I think we are thinking 5 star we need to remember 1-4 stars as well. ←
00:29:30 <ericstephan> laufer: e.g. pdf
Carlos Laufer: e.g. pdf ←
00:30:33 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
00:30:51 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
00:30:51 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to riff on the theme of stars
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to riff on the theme of stars ←
00:30:54 <ericstephan> laufer: maybe the most important thing is the description and machine readable. I don't think its a constraint, you need to establish best practices you don't need a constraint.
Carlos Laufer: maybe the most important thing is the description and machine readable. I don't think its a constraint, you need to establish best practices you don't need a constraint. ←
00:31:01 <hadleybeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
00:31:48 <phila> -> https://certificates.theodi.org/ ODI Certificates
Phil Archer: -> https://certificates.theodi.org/ ODI Certificates ←
00:32:21 <ericstephan> phila: we have a star rating scheme I want to talk about the ODI certificates, they are open data certificates they could cover closed data and they are already machine readable.
Phil Archer: we have a star rating scheme I want to talk about the ODI certificates, they are open data certificates they could cover closed data and they are already machine readable. ←
00:32:58 <JeniT> q+ to talk about shape files, and geo-located tiffs or whatever it is the Met Office uses
Jeni Tennison: q+ to talk about shape files, and geo-located tiffs or whatever it is the Met Office uses ←
00:33:09 <ericstephan> phila: coming back to yaso's point, if you have 3 star data and you want to visualize it, that is perfectly fine.
Phil Archer: coming back to yaso's point, if you have 3 star data and you want to visualize it, that is perfectly fine. ←
00:33:35 <ericstephan> phila: Don't be afraid to say that the 5 star goal is a henderence and not a help.
Phil Archer: Don't be afraid to say that the 5 star goal is a henderence and not a help. ←
00:34:15 <ericstephan> phila: sometimes 3 star is perfectly fine. ODI is perfectly fine, we might want to have our own 5 star approach ourselves
Phil Archer: sometimes 3 star is perfectly fine. ODI is perfectly fine, we might want to have our own 5 star approach ourselves ←
00:34:35 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
00:34:46 <JeniT> q-
Jeni Tennison: q- ←
00:34:48 <ericstephan> phila: lots of star schemes, we can make up our own approach
Phil Archer: lots of star schemes, we can make up our own approach ←
00:34:54 <Ig_Bittencourt> Maybe this one: http://www.opendataimpacts.net/engagement/ ?
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Maybe this one: http://www.opendataimpacts.net/engagement/ ? ←
00:34:55 <hadleybeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
00:34:55 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to propose 5star approach for vocabularies ?
Zakim IRC Bot: BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to propose 5star approach for vocabularies ? ←
00:35:31 <ericstephan> bartvanleeeuwen: agree with phila
Bart van Leeuwen: agree with phila ←
00:35:39 <Ig_Bittencourt> q-
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q- ←
00:35:47 <hadleybeeman> ack adr
Hadley Beeman: ack adr ←
00:35:57 <ericstephan> adrianoc: I agree with bernadette and laufer
Adriano Pereira: I agree with bernadette and laufer ←
00:36:13 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
00:36:43 <phila> q+ to pick up on Adriano's point about data enrichment
Phil Archer: q+ to pick up on Adriano's point about data enrichment ←
00:37:00 <ericstephan> AdrianoC: For example data fusion or integration there are data enrichment tests we are defining, if we have structured data most data on the web is not structured.
Adriano Pereira: For example data fusion or integration there are data enrichment tests we are defining, if we have structured data most data on the web is not structured. ←
00:37:25 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso
Hadley Beeman: ack yaso ←
00:37:26 <annette_g> q+ to ask what we mean by structured
Annette Greiner: q+ to ask what we mean by structured ←
00:37:30 <ericstephan> AdrianoC: Let's establish best practices for new users not just what is out there.
Adriano Pereira: Let's establish best practices for new users not just what is out there. ←
00:38:00 <ericstephan> yaso: from my pov lets go with 4 stars
Yaso Córdova: from my pov lets go with 4 stars ←
00:38:05 <hadleybeeman> ack ig
Hadley Beeman: ack ig ←
00:38:12 <hadleybeeman> yaso: I think Facebook is 4 stars
Yaso Córdova: I think Facebook is 4 stars [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
00:38:16 <ericstephan> Ig_Bittencourt: Could you consider a use case about data enrichment
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Could you consider a use case about data enrichment ←
00:38:29 <yaso> +1 to Bart :-)
Yaso Córdova: +1 to Bart :-) ←
00:38:49 <newton_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure
Newton Calegari: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure ←
00:39:03 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
00:39:03 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to pick up on Adriano's point about data enrichment
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to pick up on Adriano's point about data enrichment ←
00:39:06 <newton_> BernadetteLoscio was talking about that page
Newton Calegari: BernadetteLoscio was talking about that page ←
00:39:14 <hadleybeeman> zakim, close queue
Hadley Beeman: zakim, close queue ←
00:39:14 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed ←
00:39:24 <JeniT> q?
Jeni Tennison: q? ←
00:40:00 <ericstephan> phila: the data enrichment concept is really interesting, lots of people want to make money off of it, would be very interested in that.
Phil Archer: the data enrichment concept is really interesting, lots of people want to make money off of it, would be very interested in that. ←
00:40:15 <ericstephan> bernadette: Its on the table of contents tomorrow
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Its on the table of contents tomorrow ←
00:40:44 <hadleybeeman> ack annette
Hadley Beeman: ack annette ←
00:40:44 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask what we mean by structured
Zakim IRC Bot: annette_g, you wanted to ask what we mean by structured ←
00:40:47 <Ig_Bittencourt> deirdrelee, do you have the link?
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: deirdrelee, do you have the link? ←
00:41:26 <ericstephan> Annette: I think that people think of structured data as being something that I am not used to, perhaps it is defined differently.
Annette Greiner: I think that people think of structured data as being something that I am not used to, perhaps it is defined differently. ←
00:41:29 <deirdrelee> proceedings not published yet http://icegov.org/townhalls/thematic-session-5-open-government-data/
Deirdre Lee: proceedings not published yet http://icegov.org/townhalls/thematic-session-5-open-government-data/ ←
00:41:46 <hadleybeeman> issue: we should define "structured"
ISSUE: we should define "structured" ←
00:41:46 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-68 - We should define "structured". Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/68/edit>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-68 - We should define "structured". Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/68/edit>. ←
00:41:49 <Ig_Bittencourt> Thanks deirdrelee
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Thanks deirdrelee ←
00:42:13 <ericstephan> hadley: Tomorrow meet at 9am
Hadley Beeman: Tomorrow meet at 9am ←
00:42:21 <jtandy> @deirdrelee ... yes!!!
Jeremy Tandy: @deirdrelee ... yes!!! ←
00:42:47 <ericstephan> we are wrapping up now IRC friends...
we are wrapping up now IRC friends... ←
00:43:01 <markharrison> sorry I probably can't join tomorrow
Mark Harrison: sorry I probably can't join tomorrow ←
00:43:20 <markharrison> Goodnight! (00:43 in Cambridge)
Mark Harrison: Goodnight! (00:43 in Cambridge) ←
00:43:38 <ericstephan> you bet! Take care
you bet! Take care ←
00:43:40 <SumitPurohit_> Thanks.....
Sumit Purohit: Thanks..... ←
00:43:49 <SumitPurohit_> bye everyone
Sumit Purohit: bye everyone ←
00:44:01 <hadleybeeman> Thanks, all of you on the phone!
Hadley Beeman: Thanks, all of you on the phone! ←
00:44:06 <Zakim> -Caroline_
Zakim IRC Bot: -Caroline_ ←
00:44:06 <hadleybeeman> Talk more tomorrow :)
Hadley Beeman: Talk more tomorrow :) ←
00:44:07 <deirdrelee> i'm going to, bye all
Deirdre Lee: i'm going to, bye all ←
00:44:08 <newton_> Bye
Newton Calegari: Bye ←
00:44:19 <Zakim> -markharrison
Zakim IRC Bot: -markharrison ←
00:44:20 <deirdrelee> flying back to ireland tomorrow, so might join a bit late
Deirdre Lee: flying back to ireland tomorrow, so might join a bit late ←
00:44:23 <Vagner_Br> *bye Deirdree
Vagner Diniz: *bye Deirdree ←
00:44:25 <deirdrelee> have a nice dinner!!
Deirdre Lee: have a nice dinner!! ←
00:44:36 <AdrianoC> Adriano has left #dwbp
Adriano Pereira: Adriano has left #dwbp ←
00:44:38 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
00:44:47 <phila> zakim, drop salona
Phil Archer: zakim, drop salona ←
00:44:47 <Zakim> SalonA is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: SalonA is being disconnected ←
00:44:48 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()11:30AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()11:30AM has ended ←
00:44:48 <Zakim> Attendees were SalonA, deirdrelee, +44.796.910.aaaa, markharrison, Caroline_, Makx
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SalonA, deirdrelee, +44.796.910.aaaa, markharrison, Caroline_, Makx ←
00:45:21 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
00:45:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-dwbp-minutes.html phila
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