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12:48:49 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/08/15-dwbp-irc
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12:50:21 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Talk:Meetings:Telecon20140815
Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Talk:Meetings:Telecon20140815 ←
12:51:04 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
13:00:30 <phila> zakim, this is dwbp
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Phil Archer: zakim, this is dwbp ←
13:00:30 <Zakim> ok, phila; that matches DATA_DWBP()9:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila; that matches DATA_DWBP()9:00AM ←
13:00:35 <phila> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.609.947.aaaa, +1.617.646.aabb, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.609.947.aaaa, +1.617.646.aabb, [IPcaller] ←
13:00:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see SumitPurohit, EricKauz, trackbot, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SumitPurohit, EricKauz, trackbot, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, ivan ←
13:00:38 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:00:43 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
13:00:44 <Zakim> +phila; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +phila; got it ←
13:01:21 <Zakim> +Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline ←
13:01:48 <phila> zakim, aaaa is EricKauz
Phil Archer: zakim, aaaa is EricKauz ←
13:01:48 <Zakim> +EricKauz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricKauz; got it ←
13:02:07 <phila> zakim, aabb is SumitPurohit
Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is SumitPurohit ←
13:02:07 <Zakim> +SumitPurohit; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SumitPurohit; got it ←
13:02:13 <phila> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:02:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, SumitPurohit, phila, HadleyBeeman, Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see EricKauz, SumitPurohit, phila, HadleyBeeman, Caroline ←
13:02:13 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
13:02:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see JoaoPauloAlmeida, newton, SumitPurohit, EricKauz, trackbot, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JoaoPauloAlmeida, newton, SumitPurohit, EricKauz, trackbot, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, ivan ←
13:02:15 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
13:02:15 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
13:02:24 <phila> zakim, caroline is yaso
Phil Archer: zakim, caroline is yaso ←
13:02:24 <Zakim> +yaso; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso; got it ←
13:02:37 <phila> zakim, yaso has Flavio, Vagner
Phil Archer: zakim, yaso has Flavio, Vagner ←
13:02:38 <Zakim> +Flavio, Vagner; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Flavio, Vagner; got it ←
13:02:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:02:49 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:02:49 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
13:02:49 <newton> zakim, yaso has Newton
Newton Calegari: zakim, yaso has Newton ←
13:02:50 <Zakim> +Newton; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Newton; got it ←
13:02:57 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Talk:Meetings:Telecon20140815
13:03:01 <phila> chair: Hadley
13:03:15 <yaso> Zakim, Flávio isn’t here
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Flávio isn’t here ←
13:03:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'Flávio isn’t here', yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'Flávio isn’t here', yaso ←
13:03:51 <phila> regrets: Jeremy, Antoine, Ghislain, EricS, Deirdre, Makx
13:03:56 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
13:04:01 <phila> present- Flavio
Phil Archer: present- Flavio ←
13:04:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:04:41 <phila> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:04:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricKauz, SumitPurohit, phila, HadleyBeeman, yaso, Ivan, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see EricKauz, SumitPurohit, phila, HadleyBeeman, yaso, Ivan, [IPcaller] ←
13:04:44 <Zakim> yaso has Newton
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Newton ←
13:04:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, yaso, JoaoPauloAlmeida, newton, SumitPurohit, EricKauz, trackbot, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, yaso, JoaoPauloAlmeida, newton, SumitPurohit, EricKauz, trackbot, Zakim, RRSAgent, phila, ivan ←
13:05:05 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is JoaoPauloAlmeida
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
13:05:05 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
13:05:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> Zakim, IPcaller is probably me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is probably me ←
13:05:34 <Zakim> sorry, JoaoPauloAlmeida_, I do not understand your question
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JoaoPauloAlmeida_, I do not understand your question ←
13:05:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> :-)
Joao Almeida: :-) ←
13:05:48 <phila> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
13:06:06 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-08-08
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-08-08 ←
13:06:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:06:43 <yaso> PROPOSED: accept last week minutes
PROPOSED: accept last week minutes ←
13:06:43 <laufer> zakim, IPcaller is me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:06:43 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it ←
13:06:54 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:06:55 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-08-08
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-08-08 ←
13:06:57 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:06:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> (Zakim instructions include "is possibly", "is probably", "may be", ...)
Joao Almeida: (Zakim instructions include "is possibly", "is probably", "may be", ...) ←
13:06:58 <EricKauz> +1
13:07:05 <SumitPurohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
13:07:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot
Joao Almeida: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot ←
13:07:11 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:07:13 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> ;-)
Joao Almeida: ;-) ←
13:07:25 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
13:07:50 <yaso> Topic: TPAC
13:07:50 <phila> Topic: Actions
13:08:48 <yaso> HadleyBeeman: there area actions that are open, and we have things that have to be done for TPAC
Hadley Beeman: there area actions that are open, and we have things that have to be done for TPAC ←
13:08:59 <yaso> … the first action is action 32
… the first action is ACTION-32 ←
13:09:08 <phila> action-32?
13:09:08 <trackbot> action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN ←
13:09:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32 ←
13:09:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida_> action-32?
13:09:09 <trackbot> action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN ←
13:09:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32 ←
13:09:28 <yaso> … I’ve not done it yet, are any of you waiting for me to finish that?
… I’ve not done it yet, are any of you waiting for me to finish that? ←
13:09:45 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/samos/report
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/samos/report ←
13:10:02 <yaso> Phil: I was in Samos...
Phil Archer: I was in Samos... ←
13:10:22 <yaso> …It will be interesting if some of the people of the working group where there
…It will be interesting if some of the people of the working group where there ←
13:10:31 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/samos/report#metadata
Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/samos/report#metadata ←
13:11:11 <yaso> …the idea of having something coming from the government
…the idea of having something coming from the government ←
13:12:08 <yaso> …there’s a similar situation in Austria
…there’s a similar situation in Austria ←
13:14:22 <yaso> HadleyBeeman: why you report is important for the group?
Hadley Beeman: why your report is important for the group? ←
13:14:28 <HadleyBeeman> s/you/your
13:15:05 <yaso> Phil: what the workshop are doing is providing use cases, experiences material for research
Phil Archer: what the workshop are doing is providing use cases, experiences material for research ←
13:15:33 <yaso> …that can end up being a use case for the working group
…that can end up being a use case for the working group ←
13:15:55 <yaso> …that provides input to the Working Group that I hope can be used as evidence of the best practices
…that provides input to the Working Group that I hope can be used as evidence of the best practices ←
13:16:08 <yaso> …in the next year, when the workshop series is finished
…in the next year, when the workshop series is finished ←
13:16:26 <yaso> …in july 2016 this WG is supposed to finish
…in july 2016 this WG is supposed to finish ←
13:16:42 <Zakim> +yaso.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso.a ←
13:17:19 <yaso> …It will be the time when our deliverables will be candidates to recommendation
…It will be the time when our deliverables will be candidates to recommendation ←
13:17:47 <yaso> …that has 45 partners
…that has 45 partners ←
13:18:04 <yaso> …is a pool of people that are commited to update guidelines or create new guidelines
…is a pool of people that are commited to update guidelines or create new guidelines ←
13:18:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> that's an interesting way to collect evidence for best practices
Joao Almeida: that's an interesting way to collect evidence for best practices ←
13:18:21 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:18:48 <HadleyBeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
13:20:44 <newton> laufer: I'm saying this because this is very common
Carlos Laufer: I'm saying this because this is very common [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:21:09 <newton> ... even here in Brazil, the Pernambuco portal, they have directions to people how to publish their data
Newton Calegari: ... even here in Brazil, the Pernambuco portal, they have directions to people how to publish their data ←
13:21:22 <phila> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/dcat_application_profile/asset_release/dcat-application-profile-data-portals-europe-final
Phil Archer: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/dcat_application_profile/asset_release/dcat-application-profile-data-portals-europe-final ←
13:22:55 <phila> December workshop http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/lisbon/
Phil Archer: December workshop http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/lisbon/ ←
13:22:58 <newton> Yaso is with problems on internet
Newton Calegari: Yaso is with problems on internet ←
13:23:00 <yaso_> Sorry, I’m having problems with my connection
Sorry, I’m having problems with my connection ←
13:23:40 <yaso_> Newton, could you assume scribing from here for a while?
Newton, could you assume scribing from here for a while? ←
13:23:42 <newton> yes, ok
Newton Calegari: yes, ok ←
13:23:50 <yaso_> scribe: Newton
(Scribe set to Newton Calegari)
13:23:56 <newton> Laufer: that's different from brazilian
Carlos Laufer: that's different from brazilian ←
13:24:30 <phila> action-46?
13:24:30 <trackbot> action-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN ←
13:24:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46 ←
13:24:31 <newton> action-46
13:24:31 <trackbot> action-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN ←
13:24:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46 ←
13:24:55 <newton> HadleyBeeman: ask yaso about action 46
Hadley Beeman: ask yaso about ACTION-46 ←
13:25:10 <newton> yaso_: I've started to do it, but not finished yet
Yaso Córdova: I've started to do it, but not finished yet ←
13:25:23 <newton> ... we're running an experience here on brazil
... we're running an experience here on brazil ←
13:25:32 <newton> ... trying to track pieces of trash
... trying to track pieces of trash ←
13:25:52 <newton> ... I'm gonna try to write on the next week
... I'm gonna try to write on the next week ←
13:26:06 <newton> ... when it's finish I'll share the results with the group
... when it's finish I'll share the results with the group ←
13:26:19 <newton> yaso: I was think about that yestarday
Yaso Córdova: I was think about that yestarday ←
13:26:29 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
13:26:32 <newton> ... about the difference between small data and big data
... about the difference between small data and big data ←
13:26:38 <newton> ... because small data is new for me
... because small data is new for me ←
13:26:44 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P18 is really me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P18 is really me ←
13:26:44 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←
13:26:45 <newton> ... anybody on the group heard about it?
... anybody on the group heard about it? ←
13:26:49 <newton> Zakim, who's talking?
Zakim, who's talking? ←
13:26:54 <HadleyBeeman> /me newton, this is ivan
Hadley Beeman: /me newton, this is ivan ←
13:27:00 <Zakim> newton, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: newton, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: HadleyBeeman (4%) ←
13:27:17 <yaso> http://smalldatagroup.com/
Yaso Córdova: http://smalldatagroup.com/ ←
13:27:34 <newton> yaso: I was thinking about IoT related data
Yaso Córdova: I was thinking about IoT related data ←
13:27:43 <newton> ... it's a new concept for me
... it's a new concept for me ←
13:27:47 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:27:52 <newton> ... and I think that we need to study a little more
... and I think that we need to study a little more ←
13:28:01 <HadleyBeeman> ack phila
Hadley Beeman: ack phila ←
13:28:02 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:28:08 <newton> ... I don't know if we need to do it on the group ou just discuss about it
... I don't know if we need to do it on the group ou just discuss about it ←
13:28:55 <newton> phila: ... it's related to IoT area
Phil Archer: ... it's related to IoT area ←
13:29:26 <newton> yaso: but I still think that we could look at some use cases related to it
Yaso Córdova: but I still think that we could look at some use cases related to it ←
13:29:43 <newton> ... we can look at the data flow of Web of Things
... we can look at the data flow of Web of Things ←
13:30:13 <newton> yaso: may there are some things on this data flow that we can study
Yaso Córdova: may there are some things on this data flow that we can study ←
13:30:26 <newton> HadleyBeeman: the action still open
Hadley Beeman: the action still open ←
13:30:27 <newton> ?
? ←
13:30:29 <newton> ... ?
... ? ←
13:30:57 <newton> HadleyBeeman: spend a lot of time exploring
Hadley Beeman: spend a lot of time exploring ←
13:31:14 <newton> yaso: I think that the data flow, related to IoT and WoT, deserves attention
Yaso Córdova: I think that the data flow, related to IoT and WoT, deserves attention ←
13:31:19 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:31:31 <newton> ... we need to study two or three UC to learn about it
... we need to study two or three UC to learn about it ←
13:31:52 <newton> HadleyBeeman: ask for create a new action to yaso related to this topic
Hadley Beeman: ask for create a new action to yaso related to this topic ←
13:32:26 <newton> action: yaso to discover where the 46 fit in the deliverables
ACTION: yaso to discover where the 46 fit in the deliverables ←
13:32:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Discover where the 46 fit in the deliverables [on Yaso Córdova - due 2014-08-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-63 - Discover where the 46 fit in the deliverables [on Yaso Córdova - due 2014-08-22]. ←
13:32:43 <phila> action-54?
13:32:43 <trackbot> action-54 -- Mark Harrison to Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata -- due 2014-07-04 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-54 -- Mark Harrison to Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata -- due 2014-07-04 -- OPEN ←
13:32:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/54
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/54 ←
13:32:58 <newton> HadleyBeeman: ... discussion where metadata is..
Hadley Beeman: ... discussion where metadata is.. ←
13:33:13 <newton> ... waiting for mark
... waiting for mark ←
13:33:19 <phila> action-55?
13:33:19 <trackbot> action-55 -- Eric Stephan to Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-55 -- Eric Stephan to Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN ←
13:33:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/55
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/55 ←
13:33:20 <newton> action-47
13:33:20 <trackbot> action-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN ←
13:33:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47 ←
13:33:26 <newton> sorry, action-55
13:34:04 <HadleyBeeman> action-57?
13:34:04 <trackbot> action-57 -- Phil Archer to Invite markus lanthaler to a future vocabs call -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-57 -- Phil Archer to Invite markus lanthaler to a future vocabs call -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN ←
13:34:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/57
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/57 ←
13:34:49 <newton> phila: mark is interested in JSON-LD schema
Phil Archer: mark is interested in JSON-LD schema ←
13:35:11 <yaso> \o/
Yaso Córdova: \o/ ←
13:35:19 <yaso> scribe: yaso
(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)
13:35:22 <newton> thanks yaso :)
Newton Calegari: thanks yaso :) ←
13:35:30 <yaso> Phila: ruben was talking about APIs
Phil Archer: ruben was talking about APIs ←
13:35:42 <yaso> …he wrote something around API
…he wrote something around API ←
13:35:59 <yaso> …they allow you to set up cool data based apps
…they allow you to set up cool data based apps ←
13:36:27 <yaso> …JASON-LD is part of that, smart APIs is part of that
…JSON-LD is part of that, smart APIs is part of that ←
13:36:55 <phila> s/JASON/JSON/g
13:37:43 <HadleyBeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:37:54 <yaso> …the DCAT schema only define
…the DCAT schema only define ←
13:38:02 <yaso> …namespaces
…namespaces ←
13:38:13 <HadleyBeeman> namespaces/terms from that namespace
Hadley Beeman: namespaces/terms from that namespace ←
13:38:40 <phila> ack HadleyBeeman
Phil Archer: ack HadleyBeeman ←
13:38:59 <yaso> HadleyBeeman: I want to ask what kind of app uses JSON-LD
Hadley Beeman: I want to ask what kind of app uses JSON-LD ←
13:39:25 <newton> yaso: we're building a parser to make feeds that are written on xml formmat
Yaso Córdova: we're building a parser to make feeds that are written on xml formmat [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:39:36 <newton> yaso: with tags of RDF
Yaso Córdova: with tags of RDF [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:39:59 <newton> yaso: I was talking with some developers in Berlin where we discussed about IoT
Yaso Córdova: I was talking with some developers in Berlin where we discussed about IoT [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:40:13 <newton> ... they told me that don't like of RDF, they prefer JSON-LD
Newton Calegari: ... they told me that don't like of RDF, they prefer JSON-LD ←
13:40:28 <newton> ... and they were telling to me how is difficult to get start with RDF
Newton Calegari: ... and they were telling to me how is difficult to get start with RDF ←
13:40:40 <newton> ... and how difficult to make things using RDF
Newton Calegari: ... and how difficult to make things using RDF ←
13:40:53 <newton> ... the people don't do a lot of things with RDF
Newton Calegari: ... the people don't do a lot of things with RDF ←
13:41:15 <newton> phila: it deppends on the context
Phil Archer: it deppends on the context [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:41:33 <CarlosIglesias> sidenote I foresee the same problems for JSON-LD as we had previously (and still now) with RDF/XML - people may be using that only as JSON or XML, not RDF
Carlos Iglesias: sidenote I foresee the same problems for JSON-LD as we had previously (and still now) with RDF/XML - people may be using that only as JSON or XML, not RDF ←
13:42:05 <CarlosIglesias> Have seen that with RDF/XML tons of times and start to see this also in JSON-LD
Carlos Iglesias: Have seen that with RDF/XML tons of times and start to see this also in JSON-LD ←
13:42:43 <newton> EricKauz: : json-ld is great idea
Eric Kauz: : json-ld is great idea [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:42:48 <newton> ... ?
Newton Calegari: ... ? ←
13:42:52 <newton> (sorry, guys)
Newton Calegari: (sorry, guys) ←
13:43:10 <HadleyBeeman> s/erickauz/ivan
Hadley Beeman: s/erickauz/ivan (warning: replacement failed) ←
13:43:30 <HadleyBeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:43:38 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:43:46 <newton> yaso: I think that people have to design great apps showing the differences between the things that RDF can do and what JSON-LD can do
Yaso Córdova: I think that people have to design great apps showing the differences between the things that RDF can do and what JSON-LD can do [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:44:09 <yaso> q+
q+ ←
13:44:11 <EricKauz> +1 :)
13:44:14 <yaso> +1
+1 ←
13:44:17 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:44:18 <SumitPurohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
13:44:47 <newton> yaso: maybe a group of people can get together to talk about...
Yaso Córdova: maybe a group of people can get together to talk about... [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:46:25 <HadleyBeeman> Should we perhaps write this up as a best practice?
Hadley Beeman: Should we perhaps write this up as a best practice? ←
13:46:40 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
13:46:41 <HadleyBeeman> "Use JSON when…. RDF is useful when…" etc
Hadley Beeman: "Use JSON when…. RDF is useful when…" etc ←
13:46:49 <newton> ivan: we said about json ... I don't want to waste my time writing a parser or something complicated
Ivan Herman: we said about json ... I don't want to waste my time writing a parser or something complicated [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:47:23 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:47:27 <newton> ... javascript is a language used a lot on the web
Newton Calegari: ... javascript is a language used a lot on the web ←
13:48:09 <newton> ... there are libraries to use RDF in python
Newton Calegari: ... there are libraries to use RDF in python ←
13:48:30 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:48:33 <HadleyBeeman> ack me
Hadley Beeman: ack me ←
13:48:50 <HadleyBeeman> ack laufer
Hadley Beeman: ack laufer ←
13:49:16 <newton> laufer: just talk about if people use JSON-LD or RDF.. people confuse if use one or another
Carlos Laufer: just talk about if people use JSON-LD or RDF.. people confuse if use one or another [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:49:28 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to lauder
Joao Almeida: +1 to laufer ←
13:49:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/lauder/laufer
13:49:46 <newton> ... RDF model is one thing, RDF serialization is other thing
Newton Calegari: ... RDF model is one thing, RDF serialization is other thing ←
13:50:30 <newton> ivan: I mean if you talk with a developer... for 80% RDF is just a kind of xml
Ivan Herman: I mean if you talk with a developer... for 80% RDF is just a kind of xml [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:50:43 <newton> .... RDF is something very uggly
Newton Calegari: .... RDF is something very uggly ←
13:50:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> could it be that the problem for us is that they do not use RDFS?
Joao Almeida: could it be that the problem for us is that they do not use RDFS? ←
13:51:07 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:51:27 <newton> ... the separation between the model and the syntax isn't obvious to many people
Newton Calegari: ... the separation between the model and the syntax isn't obvious to many people ←
13:51:39 <yaso> +1
+1 ←
13:51:41 <HadleyBeeman> ack yaso
Hadley Beeman: ack yaso ←
13:51:50 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
13:51:51 <newton> ... even the document may be clarified
Newton Calegari: ... even the document may be clarified ←
13:52:28 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to yaso
Hadley Beeman: +1 to yaso ←
13:52:33 <phila> RDF is lousy at lists...
Phil Archer: RDF is lousy at lists... ←
13:52:58 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:52:58 <yaso> https://github.com/W3CBrasil/OD4D
https://github.com/W3CBrasil/OD4D ←
13:52:58 <newton> yaso: if you're writing a list or a simple graph, using RDF for that don't add value to the application
Yaso Córdova: if you're writing a list or a simple graph, using RDF for that don't add value to the application [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:53:24 <phila> I don't think anyone disagrees with you, Yaso
Phil Archer: I don't think anyone disagrees with you, Yaso ←
13:53:39 <newton> yaso: it's hard to show to users that they are seeing things in different ways
Yaso Córdova: it's hard to show to users that they are seeing things in different ways [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:53:55 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> it was not me
Joao Almeida: it was not me ←
13:54:30 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
13:54:41 <HadleyBeeman> ack joao
Hadley Beeman: ack joao ←
13:54:42 <phila> action: Sumit to begin wiki page where we can collect cases where each tech is most appropriate
ACTION: Sumit to begin wiki page where we can collect cases where each tech is most appropriate ←
13:54:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Begin wiki page where we can collect cases where each tech is most appropriate [on Sumit Purohit - due 2014-08-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-64 - Begin wiki page where we can collect cases where each tech is most appropriate [on Sumit Purohit - due 2014-08-22]. ←
13:55:08 <phila> schema vs schema-less
Phil Archer: schema vs schema-less ←
13:55:11 <newton> SumitPurohit: discuss about schema vs. schemaless for data
Joao Almeida: discuss about schema vs. schema-less for data [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:55:21 <newton> s/schemaless/schema-less
13:55:53 <newton> ivan: if you look at CSV is extremely simple structure
Ivan Herman: if you look at CSV is extremely simple structure [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←
13:56:26 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/SumitPurohit/JoaoPauloAlmeida
13:57:14 <newton> ... RDF requires a certain level of qualification to work with related data
Newton Calegari: ... RDF requires a certain level of qualification to work with related data ←
13:57:48 <newton> scribe: yaso
13:57:53 <CarlosIglesias> completely agree: trees vs. graphs is the key issue here
Carlos Iglesias: completely agree: trees vs. graphs is the key issue here ←
13:58:16 <yaso> Ivan: they are very used because they all rely on some sort of graph map
Ivan Herman: they are very used because they all rely on some sort of graph map ←
13:58:32 <HadleyBeeman> Can we demonstrate these differences with images? Tables vs trees vs graphs are much easier in pictures, I think.
Hadley Beeman: Can we demonstrate these differences with images? Tables vs trees vs graphs are much easier in pictures, I think. ←
13:58:32 <CarlosIglesias> that's why so many people are using XML (and likely to be happening the same with JSON-LD) serializations wrong
Carlos Iglesias: that's why so many people are using XML (and likely to be happening the same with JSON-LD) serializations wrong ←
13:58:37 <yaso> …and people are doing simple trees and simple lists for presenting their ideas
…and people are doing simple trees and simple lists for presenting their ideas ←
13:58:41 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:59:18 <yaso> HadleyBeeman: we can certainly help people so that they can see the differences of ld and other data
Hadley Beeman: we can certainly help people so that they can see the differences of ld and other data ←
13:59:44 <HadleyBeeman> action-59?
13:59:45 <trackbot> action-59 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-59 -- Phil Archer to Ask yaso to think about offering a tutorial on using github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN ←
13:59:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/59
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/59 ←
13:59:54 <yaso> Yes!
Yes! ←
14:00:01 <HadleyBeeman> close action-59
Hadley Beeman: close ACTION-59 ←
14:00:01 <trackbot> Closed action-59.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-59. ←
14:00:28 <HadleyBeeman> action: Yaso to set time for a tutorial on github for editors, use of gh-pages etc.
ACTION: Yaso to set time for a tutorial on github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. ←
14:00:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Set time for a tutorial on github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. [on Yaso Córdova - due 2014-08-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-65 - Set time for a tutorial on github for editors, use of gh-pages etc. [on Yaso Córdova - due 2014-08-22]. ←
14:00:48 <newton> Yaso, I could help you with that
Newton Calegari: Yaso, I could help you with that ←
14:01:13 <ivan> https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/publishing_process.md
Ivan Herman: https://github.com/w3c/csvw/blob/gh-pages/publishing_process.md ←
14:01:13 <yaso> Tks, Newton!
Tks, Newton! ←
14:02:18 <Zakim> -EricKauz
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricKauz ←
14:02:19 <yaso> Bye
Bye ←
14:02:19 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
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14:02:21 <laufer> bye, all
Carlos Laufer: bye, all ←
14:02:23 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
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14:02:24 <Zakim> -SumitPurohit
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14:02:25 <CarlosIglesias> bye!
Carlos Iglesias: bye! ←
14:02:27 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye
Joao Almeida: bye ←
14:02:27 <Zakim> -yaso
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14:58:43 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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15:03:25 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.609.947.aaaa, +1.617.646.aabb, HadleyBeeman, phila, EricKauz, SumitPurohit, Ivan, Flavio, Vagner, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Newton, laufer, yaso, CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.609.947.aaaa, +1.617.646.aabb, HadleyBeeman, phila, EricKauz, SumitPurohit, Ivan, Flavio, Vagner, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Newton, laufer, yaso, CarlosIglesias ←
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