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15:55:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
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15:55:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
15:55:47 <trackbot> Date: 10 July 2014
15:56:29 <antoine> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:57:41 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
Antoine Isaac: zakim, who is here? ←
15:58:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> there is no zakim yet :)
Bart van Leeuwen: there is no zakim yet :) ←
15:58:50 <antoine> how do I invite him???
Antoine Isaac: how do I invite him??? ←
15:59:04 <antoine> It's been called by trackbot before, I thought he was invited
Antoine Isaac: It's been called by trackbot before, I thought he was invited ←
15:59:53 <antoine> me is trying /invite zakim
Antoine Isaac: me is trying /invite zakim ←
16:00:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> trackbot, start meeting
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16:00:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
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16:00:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP ←
16:00:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
16:00:11 <trackbot> Date: 10 July 2014
16:01:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> ohw, there is no zakim at all
Bart van Leeuwen: ohw, there is no zakim at all ←
16:01:20 <antoine> yep this will be hard
Antoine Isaac: yep this will be hard ←
16:01:36 <BartvanLeeuwen> I mean its not registered at the server at all
Bart van Leeuwen: I mean its not registered at the server at all ←
16:02:12 <antoine> how to proceed?
Antoine Isaac: how to proceed? ←
16:02:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> get in touch with the team
Bart van Leeuwen: get in touch with the team ←
16:02:39 <antoine> phila: can you see us?
Phil Archer: can you see us? [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:03:16 <phila> Oops, yes, just seeing the time. Dialling in now
Phil Archer: Oops, yes, just seeing the time. Dialling in now ←
16:03:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> phila, it seems that zakim is offline
Bart van Leeuwen: phila, it seems that zakim is offline ←
16:03:58 <phila> Yes, it is and will remain so, sorry. Hang on...
Phil Archer: Yes, it is and will remain so, sorry. Hang on... ←
16:04:29 <antoine> meanwhile we are in the call with Eric
Antoine Isaac: meanwhile we are in the call with Eric ←
16:04:42 <phila> present+ phila
Phil Archer: present+ phila ←
16:04:54 <antoine> present+ antoine
Antoine Isaac: present+ antoine ←
16:05:12 <antoine> at everyone, please call in!
Antoine Isaac: at everyone, please call in! ←
16:06:33 <ericstephan> present +ericstephan
Eric Stephan: present +ericstephan ←
16:07:07 <antoine> present+ ericstephan
Antoine Isaac: present+ ericstephan ←
16:07:08 <jerdeb_> present +jerdeb_
Jeremy Debattista: present +jerdeb_ ←
16:07:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> present+ BartvanLeeuwen
Bart van Leeuwen: present+ BartvanLeeuwen ←
16:07:27 <antoine> present+ laufer
Antoine Isaac: present+ laufer ←
16:07:41 <laufer> present +laufer
Carlos Laufer: present +laufer ←
16:07:50 <phila> chair: Antoine
16:07:50 <antoine> Scribe: phila
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
16:08:40 <antoine> last meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-26
Antoine Isaac: last meeting minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-26 ←
16:08:52 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept minutes
PROPOSED: Accept minutes ←
16:08:53 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:08:59 <jerdeb_> +1
Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←
16:09:06 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
16:09:38 <antoine> RESOLVED: Accept last call's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-26
RESOLVED: Accept last call's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-26 ←
16:10:05 <phila> RESOLVED: Accept last call's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-26
RESOLVED: Accept last call's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-26 ←
16:10:35 <phila> Topic: Methodology
16:10:38 <antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0017.html
Antoine Isaac: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0017.html ←
16:10:49 <phila> antoine: There was an e-mail from Eric and then some discussion
Antoine Isaac: There was an e-mail from Eric and then some discussion ←
16:11:18 <phila> ericstephan: My original intention was to generate discussion about including non-LD communoties to use our vocabularies
Eric Stephan: My original intention was to generate discussion about including non-LD communoties to use our vocabularies ←
16:11:26 <phila> ... we should therefore start with a conceptual model
... we should therefore start with a conceptual model ←
16:11:37 <phila> ... my general Q is: are these concerns warranted?
... my general Q is: are these concerns warranted? ←
16:12:02 <phila> ... if I'm going to assume that we're going to publish the vocab as RDF, I'm OK, but what about others
... if I'm going to assume that we're going to publish the vocab as RDF, I'm OK, but what about others ←
16:12:16 <phila> ... the other thing I wanted to mention... I used PROV as an example
... the other thing I wanted to mention... I used PROV as an example ←
16:12:59 <phila> ericstephan: They (PROV) were grappling with the same things. How they could make the vocab apply to others. So my Q is - where do we need to start our vocabs to be inclusive?
Eric Stephan: They (PROV) were grappling with the same things. How they could make the vocab apply to others. So my Q is - where do we need to start our vocabs to be inclusive? ←
16:13:11 <phila> antoine: Anyone want to have a stab at this?
Antoine Isaac: Anyone want to have a stab at this? ←
16:14:43 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio ←
16:14:45 <antoine> phila: technology neutrality is a good thing
Phil Archer: technology neutrality is a good thing [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:14:52 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio ←
16:14:55 <antoine> ... we have UML-like diagrams
Antoine Isaac: ... we have UML-like diagrams ←
16:15:13 <antoine> ... in existing vocabulary documents
Antoine Isaac: ... in existing vocabulary documents ←
16:15:35 <antoine> ... for JSON we can do JSON-LD
Antoine Isaac: ... for JSON-LD we can do JSON-LD-LD ←
16:15:41 <phila> phila: +1 to tech neutrality. We should start with a diagram and then redner in diff techs
Phil Archer: +1 to tech neutrality. We should start with a diagram and then redner in diff techs ←
16:15:59 <antoine> present+ BernadetteLoscio
Antoine Isaac: present+ BernadetteLoscio ←
16:16:06 <phila> ericstephan: So the concptual models are UML diagrams?
Eric Stephan: So the concptual models are UML diagrams? ←
16:16:29 <phila> antoine: Can I try a specific example...
Antoine Isaac: Can I try a specific example... ←
16:16:35 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#vocabulary-overview
Antoine Isaac: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#vocabulary-overview ←
16:16:51 <phila> ... I've looked at DCAT and its digram. It has a diagram weith specific name spaces
... I've looked at DCAT and its digram. It has a diagram weith specific name spaces ←
16:17:00 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org
Antoine Isaac: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org ←
16:18:05 <phila> ... on the other side, ORG, it has something that looks a little more like a neutral representation
... on the other side, ORG, it has something that looks a little more like a neutral representation ←
16:18:19 <phila> phila: But even that has some namespaces
Phil Archer: But even that has some namespaces ←
16:18:29 <phila> ericstephan: do we have non-LD people in the WG that we can call on?
Eric Stephan: do we have non-LD people in the WG that we can call on? ←
16:18:48 <phila> antoine: I think we do in the whole group, yes, but in vocabs, it's harder
Antoine Isaac: I think we do in the whole group, yes, but in vocabs, it's harder ←
16:19:18 <phila> ericstephan: The other thing with PROV... what got me started... BernadetteLoscio and I talked about looking at PROV and seeing what we could take from it.
Eric Stephan: The other thing with PROV... what got me started... BernadetteLoscio and I talked about looking at PROV and seeing what we could take from it. ←
16:19:28 <phila> ... I remembered the PROV data model
... I remembered the PROV data model ←
16:19:44 <phila> ... when we talk about using PROV, what are we basing it on? The data model or a specific implementation?
... when we talk about using PROV, what are we basing it on? The data model or a specific implementation? ←
16:20:34 <phila> phila: The problem is, we here don't really know. We need to ask others
Phil Archer: The problem is, we here don't really know. We need to ask others ←
16:20:47 <phila> ericstephan: I was thinking of asking Paul Groth for his views?
Eric Stephan: I was thinking of asking Paul Groth for his views? ←
16:21:15 <phila> phila: You're geographically close to Paul, could you ask him?
Phil Archer: You're geographically close to Paul, could you ask him? ←
16:21:30 <phila> antoine: Well, maybe, but I think Eric has already explained what we need
Antoine Isaac: Well, maybe, but I think Eric has already explained what we need ←
16:21:48 <phila> ... Personally some form of UML diagram that doesn't use a specific namespace would be good enough
... Personally some form of UML diagram that doesn't use a specific namespace would be good enough ←
16:21:59 <phila> ericstephan: I like UML, I use it in other projects
Eric Stephan: I like UML, I use it in other projects ←
16:22:25 <phila> antoine: And also the data model in PROV was central. They had to write ba long doc just about the model
Antoine Isaac: And also the data model in PROV was central. They had to write ba long doc just about the model ←
16:22:41 <phila> ericstephan: If we're writing a vocab, do we have two parts to it?
Eric Stephan: If we're writing a vocab, do we have two parts to it? ←
16:23:27 <antoine> phila:
Phil Archer: [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:23:49 <antoine> phila: I have done this earlier. Create a diagram, thinking of specific classes and properties
Phil Archer: I have done this earlier. Create a diagram, thinking of specific classes and properties [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:24:08 <antoine> ... but not doing it right away. Only in a second stage.
Antoine Isaac: ... but not doing it right away. Only in a second stage. ←
16:24:19 <antoine> ... It can create some confusion
Antoine Isaac: ... It can create some confusion ←
16:24:36 <antoine> ... when you go from a technology-neutral vocabulary
Antoine Isaac: ... when you go from a technology-neutral vocabulary ←
16:24:44 <antoine> ... to the moment you re-use exisitng vocs
Antoine Isaac: ... to the moment you re-use exisitng vocs ←
16:24:55 <antoine> ... It can irritate people
Antoine Isaac: ... It can irritate people ←
16:25:11 <EricKauz> present + Eric Kauz
Eric Kauz: present + Eric Kauz ←
16:25:17 <antoine> present+ steve
Antoine Isaac: present+ steve ←
16:25:27 <EricKauz> present+ Eric Kauz
Eric Kauz: present+ Eric Kauz ←
16:25:27 <phila> Present+ EricKauz
Present+ EricKauz ←
16:26:05 <phila> antoine: Any other views? Or do we go ahead and create something like a UML diagram, perhaps with namespaces in it and then remove them if we're asked to
Antoine Isaac: Any other views? Or do we go ahead and create something like a UML diagram, perhaps with namespaces in it and then remove them if we're asked to ←
16:26:38 <phila> ericstephan: Are there situations where we might need to... if we have a diagram with terms in it... do we need to do more work to make the linkages with existing terms
Eric Stephan: Are there situations where we might need to... if we have a diagram with terms in it... do we need to do more work to make the linkages with existing terms ←
16:27:00 <phila> ericstephan: If we take a stab at this, put our ideas out, and then maybe use the f2f to really hone our ideas?
Eric Stephan: If we take a stab at this, put our ideas out, and then maybe use the f2f to really hone our ideas? ←
16:27:05 <phila> ... is the f2f too far off?
... is the f2f too far off? ←
16:27:27 <phila> ... if we can have those ideas as complete as possible leading up to the f2f
... if we can have those ideas as complete as possible leading up to the f2f ←
16:27:44 <phila> laufer: I want to talk about what I'm hearing... maybe my confusuion can help
Carlos Laufer: I want to talk about what I'm hearing... maybe my confusuion can help ←
16:27:58 <phila> ... you want to define a kind of neutral diagram rather than using namespaces
... you want to define a kind of neutral diagram rather than using namespaces ←
16:28:12 <phila> ... you want to put some terms there for which you will have to define the terms
... you want to put some terms there for which you will have to define the terms ←
16:28:21 <phila> ... when we define the namespace, we are defining the semantics
... when we define the namespace, we are defining the semantics ←
16:28:51 <phila> ... if we define a digaram without namespaces, we have to define everything, incuding what others have altready defined?
... if we define a digaram without namespaces, we have to define everything, incuding what others have altready defined? ←
16:30:22 <antoine> phila: if we create names that are namespace-independent, we still create something and it can raise confusion.
Phil Archer: if we create names that are namespace-independent, we still create something and it can raise confusion. [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:30:30 <antoine> ... we could take an example
Antoine Isaac: ... we could take an example ←
16:30:45 <antoine> e.g. DCAT has no JSON schema
Antoine Isaac: e.g. DCAT has no JSON-LD schema ←
16:31:00 <antoine> ... could anyone create a JSON schema for DCAT
Antoine Isaac: ... could anyone create a JSON-LD-LD schema for DCAT ←
16:31:04 <antoine> ... ?
Antoine Isaac: ... ? ←
16:31:16 <ericstephan> +q
Eric Stephan: +q ←
16:31:19 <antoine> ... would that be enough or do we need to go further?
Antoine Isaac: ... would that be enough or do we need to go further? ←
16:31:20 <phila> s/JSON/JSON-LD/
16:31:24 <phila> s/JSON/JSON-LD/g
16:31:35 <BernadetteLoscio> yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes ←
16:31:43 <phila> ericstephan: I'm wondering - Bernadette?
Eric Stephan: I'm wondering - Bernadette? ←
16:32:34 <phila> ericstephan: You're asking students to help with this work. Is there a student who is adept in both RDF vocabs who could create a JSCON schema readily?
Eric Stephan: You're asking students to help with this work. Is there a student who is adept in both RDF vocabs who could create a JSCON schema readily? ←
16:32:55 <jerdeb_> afaik it can be done using: http://rdf-translator.appspot.com
Jeremy Debattista: afaik it can be done using: http://rdf-translator.appspot.com ←
16:32:56 <adler1> good idea
Steven Adler: good idea ←
16:33:06 <phila> q+ To talk about http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/
q+ To talk about http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ ←
16:33:19 <adler1> +1 eric
Steven Adler: +1 eric ←
16:34:29 <antoine> phila: there's no pb generating json-ld from rdf
Phil Archer: there's no pb generating json-ld from rdf [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:34:41 <antoine> ... I have got it here.
Antoine Isaac: ... I have got it here. ←
16:35:04 <antoine> ... but is what comes out it is sufficient to show people it's usable in a non-LD context
Antoine Isaac: ... but is what comes out it is sufficient to show people it's usable in a non-LD context ←
16:35:09 <antoine> ... ?
Antoine Isaac: ... ? ←
16:35:28 <antoine> ... people use json-ld thinking they're not using RDF
Antoine Isaac: ... people use json-ld thinking they're not using RDF ←
16:35:36 <antoine> ... let them keep on
Antoine Isaac: ... let them keep on ←
16:35:51 <phila> ericstephan: If the JSON community is at home with that solution, then we're OK
Eric Stephan: If the JSON community is at home with that solution, then we're OK ←
16:36:26 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
16:36:27 <antoine> phila: does anyone as time to see what comes out of dcat as json-ld
Phil Archer: does anyone as time to see what comes out of dcat as json-ld [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:36:37 <antoine> ... and see if it looks tech-neutral enough?
Antoine Isaac: ... and see if it looks tech-neutral enough? ←
16:36:40 <ericstephan> I can help there....I believe
Eric Stephan: I can help there....I believe ←
16:37:31 <phila> ericstephan: We have someone who is adept at both RDF and JSON who came to us from industry... if we're really just inspecting what the converters provide, then I can see what he thinks about this
Eric Stephan: We have someone who is adept at both RDF and JSON who came to us from industry... if we're really just inspecting what the converters provide, then I can see what he thinks about this ←
16:37:40 <phila> ericstephan: Does this speak to the JSON community?
Eric Stephan: Does this speak to the JSON community? ←
16:37:53 <phila> phila: I think that would be very helpful, Eric
Phil Archer: I think that would be very helpful, Eric ←
16:38:04 <phila> ericstephan: I can promise that by our next vocab telecon
Eric Stephan: I can promise that by our next vocab telecon ←
16:38:07 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
16:38:44 <phila> action: ericstephan to seek feedback on JSON-LD version of DCAT schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl
ACTION: ericstephan to seek feedback on JSON-LD version of DCAT schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl ←
16:38:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-07-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-55 - Seek feedback on json-ld version of dcat schema, using, for example http://rdf-translator.appspot.com/ with http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-07-17]. ←
16:39:37 <phila> antoine: So I think that's what we can do on the first topic that Eric S has raised
Antoine Isaac: So I think that's what we can do on the first topic that Eric S has raised ←
16:39:43 <phila> Topic: Publication policies and standards
16:40:33 <phila> ericstephan: What I have been finding is that we're keeping a lot of concepts on the wiki. The DQ&G group is collecting info...
Eric Stephan: What I have been finding is that we're keeping a lot of concepts on the wiki. The DQ&G group is collecting info... ←
16:40:53 <phila> ... I've found that relying on the publication policies have helped us move forwards on the CSVW work
... I've found that relying on the publication policies have helped us move forwards on the CSVW work ←
16:41:18 <phila> ... I'm not trying to dictate anything but I think creating our own HTML doc would be helpful
... I'm not trying to dictate anything but I think creating our own HTML doc would be helpful ←
16:41:24 <antoine> https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/vocab-dqg.html
Antoine Isaac: https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/vocab-dqg.html ←
16:41:29 <phila> antoine: You mean the wiki page?
Antoine Isaac: You mean the wiki page? ←
16:41:39 <phila> ericstephan: It was the GitHub doc
Eric Stephan: It was the GitHub doc ←
16:41:58 <phila> ericstephan: I just put a skeleton doc on GitHub as well
Eric Stephan: I just put a skeleton doc on GitHub as well ←
16:42:24 <phila> ericstephan: It was just picking up on the policies that we need ot be following at some point
Eric Stephan: It was just picking up on the policies that we need ot be following at some point ←
16:42:47 <phila> antoine: I was pretty sure that Bart's doc was good
Antoine Isaac: I was pretty sure that Bart's doc was good ←
16:43:39 <antoine> http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/vocab-dqg.html
Antoine Isaac: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/blob/master/vocab-dqg.html ←
16:43:48 <antoine> does not work
Antoine Isaac: does not work ←
16:44:18 <phila> phila: We need to ask Yaso to configure the GitHub preview for us
Phil Archer: We need to ask Yaso to configure the GitHub preview for us ←
16:44:23 <antoine> phila: reSpec is recommended
Phil Archer: reSpec is recommended [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:44:48 <phila> ericstephan: And there's an issue around why I can't access it the way I can in CSV
Eric Stephan: And there's an issue around why I can't access it the way I can in CSV ←
16:45:07 <antoine> phila: I'll ask Yaso to find a solution
Phil Archer: I'll ask Yaso to find a solution [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:45:40 <phila> action: phila to ask Yaso to help configure the GitHub Repo for the new docs
ACTION: phila to ask Yaso to help configure the GitHub Repo for the new docs ←
16:45:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-17].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-56 - Ask yaso to help configure the github repo for the new docs [on Phil Archer - due 2014-07-17]. ←
16:45:59 <phila> ericstephan: I took the CSV Use Case doc on GitHub...
Eric Stephan: I took the CSV Use Case doc on GitHub... ←
16:46:15 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-csvw-ucr-20140327/ ←
16:46:34 <phila> ... what I liked about it was that there were lots of cases about ... and we prob have that in our own UCR... but there were call out sections where there are examples used, issues etc.
... what I liked about it was that there were lots of cases about ... and we prob have that in our own UCR... but there were call out sections where there are examples used, issues etc. ←
16:46:40 <phila> ... and I started from that baseline doc
... and I started from that baseline doc ←
16:46:45 <phila> ... that we used on the CSVW WG
... that we used on the CSVW WG ←
16:47:11 <phila> ... that's out in GitHub right now and I notice that BernadetteLoscio used a slightly differnet approach for the DWBP UCR, maybe things can be aligned
... that's out in GitHub right now and I notice that BernadetteLoscio used a slightly differnet approach for the DWBP UCR, maybe things can be aligned ←
16:47:34 <phila> ... I know that Ivan ran the CSVW UCR through W3C Pub Rules
... I know that Ivan ran the CSVW UCR through W3C Pub Rules ←
16:47:38 <phila> ... and it checked ou
... and it checked ou ←
16:48:41 <antoine> phila: my job would be to put it through pubrule
Phil Archer: my job would be to put it through pubrule [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:48:59 <antoine> ... But right now we need the github configuration to show the html not just the source
Antoine Isaac: ... But right now we need the github configuration to show the html not just the source ←
16:49:48 <phila> antoine: Any other questions?
Antoine Isaac: Any other questions? ←
16:49:56 <phila> ericstephan: No, think we're good to go
Eric Stephan: No, think we're good to go ←
16:50:01 <phila> Topic: Reports from Editors
16:50:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
16:50:26 <phila> antoine: So first from the QWuality and Granularity work. I don't think Bart and I have a lot to report
Antoine Isaac: So first from the QWuality and Granularity work. I don't think Bart and I have a lot to report ←
16:50:44 <phila> Antoine: I received an e-mail from Jeremy - can you repeat what you said here for everyone?
Antoine Isaac: I received an e-mail from Jeremy - can you repeat what you said here for everyone? ←
16:50:53 <phila> jerdeb_?
jerdeb_? ←
16:51:24 <phila> jerdeb_: I sent you an e-mail yes, I should have sent it to the whole group
Jeremy Debattista: I sent you an e-mail yes, I should have sent it to the whole group ←
16:51:53 <phila> ... we have ?? our ?? ontology with the Data Cube Ontology
... we have daQ our daQ ontology with the Data Cube Ontology ←
16:52:05 <phila> ... We sent it to iSEMANTICS and it was accpeted
... We sent it to iSEMANTICS and it was accpeted ←
16:52:11 <antoine> s/??/daQ
16:52:58 <phila> jerdeb_: I understand you want to be tech independent. So what we've done is a little differnet from what you wanted to achieve?
Jeremy Debattista: I understand you want to be tech independent. So what we've done is a little differnet from what you wanted to achieve? ←
16:53:04 <phila> antoine: Yes
Antoine Isaac: Yes ←
16:53:33 <phila> jerdeb_: So what I said was that when you extend DCAT, you have these metrics based on what we achieved anad [cut off]
Jeremy Debattista: So what I said was that when you extend DCAT, you have these metrics based on what we achieved anad [cut off] ←
16:53:39 <antoine> jerdeb_: we can't hear you!
Jeremy Debattista: we can't hear you! [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Isaac ] ←
16:53:54 <phila> phila: This is the conference Jeremy mentioned http://www.semantics.cc/
Phil Archer: This is the conference Jeremy mentioned http://www.semantics.cc/ ←
16:54:00 <phila> jerdeb_: Back
Jeremy Debattista: Back ←
16:54:39 <phila> jerdeb_: Eventually what we proposed was that the representation of quality metadata, if other groups want to specify their own metrics, they can use the dAQ ontology
Jeremy Debattista: Eventually what we proposed was that the representation of quality metadata, if other groups want to specify their own metrics, they can use the dAQ ontology ←
16:56:01 <phila> jerdeb_: With the dAQ ontology, we have a way to represent quality metrics. The DWBP can define domain indepent metrics, using the dAQ. Another group can create their own metrics using the dAQ ontology
Jeremy Debattista: With the dAQ ontology, we have a way to represent quality metrics. The DWBP can define domain indepent metrics, using the dAQ. Another group can create their own metrics using the dAQ ontology ←
16:56:09 <phila> ... those two sets of metrics would be interoperable
... those two sets of metrics would be interoperable ←
16:56:32 <phila> ... so if we have a framework like CKAN then we can have ranking using this kind of data quality metadata
... so if we have a framework like CKAN then we can have ranking using this kind of data quality metadata ←
16:56:58 <phila> antoine: No time to discuss this now but we can discuss it furtehr in the next call and/or on the list
Antoine Isaac: No time to discuss this now but we can discuss it furtehr in the next call and/or on the list ←
16:56:59 <BernadetteLoscio> this is an important discussion
Bernadette Farias Loscio: this is an important discussion ←
16:57:07 <phila> jerdeb_: I'll forward it to the list.
Jeremy Debattista: I'll forward it to the list. ←
16:57:16 <phila> antoine: So the otehr vocab...#
Antoine Isaac: So the otehr vocab...# ←
16:57:19 <adler1> have to drop
Steven Adler: have to drop ←
16:57:54 <phila> Topic: Data Usage Vocab
16:57:55 <BernadetteLoscio> I have a terrible connection...
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I have a terrible connection... ←
16:58:26 <phila> ericstephan: One of my action items for tomorrow was to sketch out a meaning for data usage
Eric Stephan: One of my action items for tomorrow was to sketch out a meaning for data usage ←
16:58:38 <phila> ... so I have collected notes from some of our previous calls
... so I have collected notes from some of our previous calls ←
16:58:46 <phila> ... and I'm compiling that later today
... and I'm compiling that later today ←
16:58:51 <phila> ... but it's still pretty sketchy
... but it's still pretty sketchy ←
16:59:01 <phila> antoine: Is that an action for the general meeting tomorrow
Antoine Isaac: Is that an action for the general meeting tomorrow ←
16:59:12 <phila> ... I have an action to talk about this? Action 53?
... I have an action to talk about this? ACTION-53? ←
16:59:15 <phila> action-53?
16:59:15 <trackbot> action-53 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Write down on the wiki about the talk about data usage vocabs -- due 2014-07-03 -- CLOSED
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-53 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Write down on the wiki about the talk about data usage vocabs -- due 2014-07-03 -- CLOSED ←
16:59:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/53
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/53 ←
16:59:15 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/53
Antoine Isaac: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/53 ←
16:59:35 <BernadetteLoscio> this is a different one
Bernadette Farias Loscio: this is a different one ←
16:59:37 <BernadetteLoscio> yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes ←
16:59:40 <phila> ericstephan: That was something we talked about 2 weeks ago
Eric Stephan: That was something we talked about 2 weeks ago ←
17:00:23 <phila> ericstephan: What it comes down to... it's describing application-base usage, R&D usage, linkage between datasets and I'm working on citing data in publications
Eric Stephan: What it comes down to... it's describing application-base usage, R&D usage, linkage between datasets and I'm working on citing data in publications ←
17:00:28 <phila> ... that's all I had for now
... that's all I had for now ←
17:00:39 <phila> antoine: OK, we should wait until tomorrow then.
Antoine Isaac: OK, we should wait until tomorrow then. ←
17:00:50 <phila> ... We're at the top of the hour - anything else for now?
... We're at the top of the hour - anything else for now? ←
17:01:00 <phila> rrsagent, make logs public
rrsagent, make logs public ←
17:01:05 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!!!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks!!! ←
17:01:10 <phila> antoine: OK, then let's close off now
Antoine Isaac: OK, then let's close off now ←
17:01:17 <jerdeb_> thanks!
Jeremy Debattista: thanks! ←
17:01:27 <phila> ericstephan: Maybe in the next week we can sort out a next person for chairing the meeting?
Eric Stephan: Maybe in the next week we can sort out a next person for chairing the meeting? ←
17:01:31 <phila> antoine: Sure
Antoine Isaac: Sure ←
17:01:46 <phila> antoine: I can be around in 2 weeks
Antoine Isaac: I can be around in 2 weeks ←
17:03:08 <BernadetteLoscio> Steven just sent!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Steven just sent! ←
17:03:26 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!! bye!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks!! bye! ←
17:03:31 <phila> Thanks BernadetteLoscio !
Thanks BernadetteLoscio ! ←
17:03:32 <laufer> bye all
Carlos Laufer: bye all ←
17:03:37 <jerdeb_> bye all
Jeremy Debattista: bye all ←
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