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12:58:01 <phila> zakim, this will be debp
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12:58:01 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, phila
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12:58:10 <phila> zakim, this will be dwbp
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12:58:10 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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12:58:27 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140627
12:58:31 <phila> Chair: Hadley
12:59:28 <phila> regrets: Ivan, Caroline, Wagner, Newton, Flavio, Nathalia, Christophe
12:59:56 <phila> regrets+ Christophe
Phil Archer: regrets+ Christophe ←
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13:00:36 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P6 is me
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13:01:35 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
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13:01:35 <Zakim> +phila; got it
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13:02:06 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
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13:02:09 <Zakim> +ericstephan
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13:02:19 <phila> zakim, who is here?
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13:02:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see MTCarrasco, phila, yaso, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MTCarrasco, phila, yaso, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan ←
13:02:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see laufer, ericstephan, HadleyBeeman, MTCarrasco, BernadetteLoscio, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan, Ig_Bittencourt, phila, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see laufer, ericstephan, HadleyBeeman, MTCarrasco, BernadetteLoscio, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan, Ig_Bittencourt, phila, trackbot ←
13:02:40 <Ig_Bittencourt> I am having problems to connect on the phone.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I am having problems to connect on the phone. ←
13:03:12 <Ig_Bittencourt> OK phila
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: OK phila ←
13:03:29 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, pick a victim
Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim ←
13:03:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ericstephan ←
13:03:34 <ericstephan> scribe: ericstephan
(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)
13:04:10 <Zakim> +markharrison
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13:04:29 <ericstephan> PROPOSED: Approve last week's meeting minutes
PROPOSED: Approve last week's meeting minutes ←
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13:05:02 <Ig_Bittencourt> Zakim, ??P24 is me
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13:05:02 <Zakim> +Ig_Bittencourt; got it
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13:05:07 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:05:13 <ericstephan> +1
+1 ←
13:05:14 <jerdeb> Zakim, ??P22 is me
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13:05:14 <Zakim> +jerdeb; got it
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13:05:15 <markharrison> It doesn't show, Hadley!
Mark Harrison: It doesn't show, Hadley! ←
13:05:16 <phila> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
13:05:18 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
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13:05:28 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
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13:05:37 <Ig_Bittencourt> zakim, mute me
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13:05:37 <Zakim> Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted
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13:05:41 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-20
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-06-20 ←
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13:05:52 <laufer> zakim, ipcaller is me
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13:05:52 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
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13:06:16 <ericstephan> RESOLVED: Meeting minutes accepted
RESOLVED: Meeting minutes accepted ←
13:06:35 <ericstephan> TOPIC: TPAC
13:07:01 <MTCarrasco> +1
13:07:03 <ericstephan> Hadley: Travel plans need to me made and we meet on Thursday and Friday of that week.
Hadley Beeman: Travel plans need to me made and we meet on Thursday and Friday of that week. ←
13:08:13 <ericstephan> phila: Looking at who is registered for our group. Currently we only have one person registered.
Phil Archer: Looking at who is registered for our group. Currently we only have one person registered. ←
13:08:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:08:28 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio ←
13:08:28 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
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13:08:38 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
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13:08:53 <ericstephan> phila: Please register early and be there if at all possible.
Phil Archer: Please register early and be there if at all possible. ←
13:09:50 <ericstephan> phila: What does the group think from a realistic perspective what we intend to accomplish?
Phil Archer: What does the group think from a realistic perspective what we intend to accomplish? ←
13:09:50 <laufer> zakim, mute me
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13:09:50 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
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13:10:28 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: Put this on the agenda for next week?
Hadley Beeman: Put this on the agenda for next week? ←
13:10:54 <yaso> \o/ finally in the IRC! (I would like that Internet connection was just like the air: we could simply breathe it)
Yaso Córdova: \o/ finally in the IRC! (I would like that Internet connection was just like the air: we could simply breathe it) ←
13:11:12 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1 yaso
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 yaso ←
13:11:18 <HadleyBeeman> welcome back, yaso :)
Hadley Beeman: welcome back, yaso :) ←
13:11:25 <yaso> :-)
Yaso Córdova: :-) ←
13:11:56 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/open ←
13:12:09 <HadleyBeeman> action-32?
13:12:09 <trackbot> action-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 -- Hadley Beeman to Write email on discoverable data vs data catalogues -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN ←
13:12:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/32 ←
13:12:36 <HadleyBeeman> action-46?
13:12:37 <trackbot> action-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-46 -- Yaso Córdova to Generate/collate further use cases concerning iot, transport, privacy -- due 2014-06-13 -- OPEN ←
13:12:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/46 ←
13:12:38 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: This is still to do
Hadley Beeman: This is still to do ←
13:13:19 <ericstephan> yaso: I am waiting because I want to look at the Web of things workshop and will close it at that point.
Yaso Córdova: I am waiting because I want to look at the Web of things workshop and will close it at that point. ←
13:14:07 <MTCarrasco> Phil, a link?
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Phil, a link? ←
13:14:21 <ericstephan> phila: This week the W3C held a workshop for the Web of things, (web of services built on web of devices) subtle difference between this and IoT.
Phil Archer: This week the W3C held a workshop for the Web of things, (web of services built on web of devices) subtle difference between this and IoT. ←
13:14:35 <Ig_Bittencourt> I think this is the link: http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/agenda.html
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I think this is the link: http://www.w3.org/2014/02/wot/agenda.html ←
13:15:09 <ericstephan> phila: The work we are doing is of interest to them. The fact that building services is extremely important building on the web of data.
Phil Archer: The work we are doing is of interest to them. The fact that building services is extremely important building on the web of data. ←
13:16:03 <ericstephan> phila: Ran a breakout session: What is your wish list of the W3C? Looking for potential new use cases. There were some specific things, how do you use a device with not much memory and power.
Phil Archer: Ran a breakout session: What is your wish list of the W3C? Looking for potential new use cases. There were some specific things, how do you use a device with not much memory and power. ←
13:16:23 <ericstephan> phila: some of the work ties into csv on the web working group.
Phil Archer: some of the work ties into csv on the web working group. ←
13:16:52 <ericstephan> phila: Intel was a big player in the workshop (Adam L.?)
Phil Archer: Intel was a big player in the workshop (Adam Abramski?) ←
13:17:19 <phila> s/Adam L./Adam Abramski/
13:17:30 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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13:17:30 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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13:17:32 <Zakim> +Ivan
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13:18:01 <HadleyBeeman> action-47?
13:18:02 <trackbot> action-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-47 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Discuss with eric data usage meaning for the use case requirements, and for the vocabulary and finding consensus in the group -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN ←
13:18:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/47 ←
13:18:08 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
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13:19:07 <Zakim> -Ivan
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13:19:17 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: ericstephan and I are currently working on this, looking at the W3C prov model as a possible basis for data usage vocabulary.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ericstephan and I are currently working on this, looking at the W3C prov model as a possible basis for data usage vocabulary. ←
13:19:35 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: Is there a definition for "Data Usage"?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Is there a definition for "Data Usage"? ←
13:19:45 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html ←
13:19:51 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers
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13:20:03 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: The closest we have is in the charter.
Hadley Beeman: The closest we have is in the charter. ←
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13:20:22 <Zakim> +jerdeb; got it
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13:20:26 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: For the next meeting we will have something to discuss.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: For the next meeting we will have something to discuss. ←
13:21:38 <ericstephan> phila: Don't have a definition of data usage, looking at government data portals and other portals. Wanting to add to the description of the application of the data itself. Scientific research citation added to this.
Phil Archer: Don't have a definition of data usage, looking at government data portals and other portals. Wanting to add to the description of the application of the data itself. Scientific research citation added to this. ←
13:22:10 <ericstephan> phila: application based usage, research and development usage are two subclasses
Phil Archer: application based usage, research and development usage are two subclasses ←
13:22:31 <ericstephan> phila: have you looked in LOV?
Phil Archer: have you looked in LOV? ←
13:22:34 <phila> Linked Open Vocabularies http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/
Phil Archer: Linked Open Vocabularies http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/ ←
13:23:09 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:23:31 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: data usage can also be usful to describe to be done how the data set was used and how it could be used.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: data usage can also be usful to describe to be done how the data set was used and how it could be used. ←
13:23:56 <ericstephan> phila: Another subclass perhaps: What it was used for and what it could be used for?
Phil Archer: Another subclass perhaps: What it was used for and what it could be used for? ←
13:24:08 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers
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13:24:34 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: Describe two different situations, I'm publishing the data and this is the way you can use it.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Describe two different situations, I'm publishing the data and this is the way you can use it. ←
13:24:36 <Zakim> +Makx_Dekkers
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13:24:50 <laufer> one is how to use data and the other is how data were used
Carlos Laufer: one is how to use data and the other is how data were used ←
13:25:11 <ericstephan> phila: We need to be careful providing a method: what this could be used for.
Phil Archer: We need to be careful providing a method: what this could be used for. ←
13:25:49 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: Its not a technical point of view how you use the data.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Its not a technical point of view how you use the data. ←
13:25:55 <markharrison> +q
Mark Harrison: +q ←
13:26:42 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: We were talking about this yesterday in the meeting and I will describe a scenario.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We were talking about this yesterday in the meeting and I will describe a scenario. ←
13:26:48 <HadleyBeeman> ack mt
Hadley Beeman: ack mt ←
13:27:47 <ericstephan> MTCarrasco: with linked data you could have descriptions recommending in human readable form how to use the data.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: with linked data you could have descriptions recommending in human readable form how to use the data. ←
13:27:51 <HadleyBeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
13:27:57 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
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13:28:44 <phila> +1 to what Mark is saying
Phil Archer: +1 to what Mark is saying ←
13:28:48 <ericstephan> markharrison: I think it would be useful to provide metadata descriiption to discover the potential for linkages across data sets.
Mark Harrison: I think it would be useful to provide metadata descriiption to discover the potential for linkages across data sets. ←
13:28:51 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:29:01 <HadleyBeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
13:29:16 <MTCarrasco> Each resource must have a "resource metadata" that must human and machine readble; it could be in several formats
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Each resource must have a "resource metadata" that must human and machine readble; it could be in several formats ←
13:29:29 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers
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13:29:53 <ericstephan> phila: linked data set vocabularies have that language in it currently. RDF shapes working group might be important there.
Phil Archer: linked data set vocabularies have that language in it currently. RDF shapes working group might be important there. ←
13:30:00 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
13:30:06 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric
Hadley Beeman: ack eric ←
13:30:09 <HadleyBeeman> q+
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13:31:32 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:31:33 <HadleyBeeman> ack me
Hadley Beeman: ack me ←
13:31:35 <ericstephan> markharrison: data granularity is orthoganl to the linkages to what I was thinking about.
Mark Harrison: data granularity is orthoganl to the linkages to what I was thinking about. ←
13:32:20 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: I am wondering when you talk about metadata (attributes) what is behavior and what is a standard?
Hadley Beeman: I am wondering when you talk about metadata (attributes) what is behavior and what is a standard? ←
13:32:32 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:32:37 <HadleyBeeman> ack mt
Hadley Beeman: ack mt ←
13:33:29 <ericstephan> MTCarrasco: A very big data resource could have metadata descriptions describing relationships between datasets.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: A very big data resource could have metadata descriptions describing relationships between datasets. ←
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13:33:55 <HadleyBeeman> ack bern
Hadley Beeman: ack bern ←
13:33:58 <ericstephan> MTCarrasco: Does the metadata below to the dataset or resource?
MTCarrasco: Does the metadata below to the dataset or resource? ←
13:34:17 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rfma86m1zhp0usm/dataset.png
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rfma86m1zhp0usm/dataset.png ←
13:34:27 <Zakim> +yaso
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13:34:59 <yaso> +1 to bernadette
Yaso Córdova: +1 to bernadette ←
13:34:59 <markharrison> looks very useful
Mark Harrison: looks very useful ←
13:35:04 <markharrison> +1
Mark Harrison: +1 ←
13:35:18 <ericstephan> bernadetteloscio: I'd like to discuss this at some point, I made it recently.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'd like to discuss this at some point, I made it recently. ←
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13:35:32 <Ig_Bittencourt> Zakim, ??P4 is me
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13:36:00 <MTCarrasco> We should aim for a "resource metadata": this also cover the "dataset metadata" - http://example.com/foo is a resource and it can also be a dataset
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: We should aim for a "resource metadata": this also cover the "dataset metadata" - http://example.com/foo is a resource and it can also be a dataset ←
13:36:09 <jerdeb> Zakim, ??P5 is me
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13:36:09 <Zakim> +jerdeb; got it
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13:36:32 <ericstephan> bernadetteloscio: The structural metadata can rely on domain vocabularies. This is just to show the general overview of how to use the vocabularies.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: The structural metadata can rely on domain vocabularies. This is just to show the general overview of how to use the vocabularies. ←
13:36:45 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:36:59 <ericstephan> bernadetteloscio: Will write a wiki page this week
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Will write a wiki page this week ←
13:37:10 <HadleyBeeman> ack mt
Hadley Beeman: ack mt ←
13:37:39 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:37:46 <ericstephan> MTCarrasco: You also need to consider datasets that require packaging including zip files.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: You also need to consider datasets that require packaging including zip files. ←
13:38:08 <ericstephan> Highly relevant to scientific efforts
Highly relevant to scientific efforts ←
13:38:13 <HadleyBeeman> ack phila
Hadley Beeman: ack phila ←
13:39:27 <markharrison> I think the metadata still needs to be available for .zip files on the web because this helps data to be discoverable - and it also helps those interested in making it more accessible to find it as source material, so it's closer to being truly accessible data on the web
Mark Harrison: I think the metadata still needs to be available for .zip files on the web because this helps data to be discoverable - and it also helps those interested in making it more accessible to find it as source material, so it's closer to being truly accessible data on the web ←
13:39:41 <ericstephan> phila: data packaging efforts that may be relavent: CSV Working Group, in the linked data world you have the concept of a container, plus the RDF world is a named graph.
Phil Archer: data packaging efforts that may be relavent: CSV Working Group, in the linked data world you have the concept of a container, plus the RDF world is a named graph. ←
13:39:58 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
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13:40:10 <markharrison> +q
Mark Harrison: +q ←
13:40:34 <ericstephan> phila: The concept of packaging might be out of scope.
Phil Archer: The concept of packaging might be out of scope. ←
13:40:52 <HadleyBeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
13:41:11 <ericstephan> markharrison: lots of data shared in archived packages.
Mark Harrison: lots of data shared in archived packages. ←
13:41:35 <HadleyBeeman> Is "metadata on the Web" part of "data on the Web"?
Hadley Beeman: Is "metadata on the Web" part of "data on the Web"? ←
13:41:47 <HadleyBeeman> (where "metadata on the Web" may refer to data off the Web)
Hadley Beeman: (where "metadata on the Web" may refer to data off the Web) ←
13:42:16 <ericstephan> HDF5 is another example of packaging.
HDF5 is another example of packaging. ←
13:42:42 <markharrison> q+ to respond to Hadley
Mark Harrison: q+ to respond to Hadley ←
13:42:45 <MTCarrasco> This is an example web friendly packaging http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem/
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: This is an example web friendly packaging http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem/ ←
13:42:52 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:43:02 <ericstephan> phila: The subject of metadata in the publishing world is huge, we might be able to pass this off to them.
Phil Archer: The subject of metadata in the publishing world is huge, we might be able to pass this off to them. ←
13:43:26 <HadleyBeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
13:43:26 <Zakim> markharrison, you wanted to respond to Hadley
Zakim IRC Bot: markharrison, you wanted to respond to Hadley ←
13:44:09 <ericstephan> markharrison: Government agencies release some data but don't put it on the web, have policies in place for users to register or send their email to access the data.
Mark Harrison: Government agencies release some data but don't put it on the web, have policies in place for users to register or send their email to access the data. ←
13:44:13 <HadleyBeeman> ack mt
Hadley Beeman: ack mt ←
13:44:45 <ericstephan> MTCarrasco: I pointed to a use case for packaging data...will include a link in a moment.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I pointed to a use case for packaging data...will include a link in a moment. ←
13:45:18 <markharrison> +q
Mark Harrison: +q ←
13:45:21 <ericstephan> MTCarrasco: Could include a manifest etc...how do you classify the manifest? Is it metadata or not?
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Could include a manifest etc...how do you classify the manifest? Is it metadata or not? ←
13:45:22 <MTCarrasco> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem/dossier/manifest/
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem/dossier/manifest/ ←
13:45:28 <HadleyBeeman> ack mark
Hadley Beeman: ack mark ←
13:46:11 <MTCarrasco> download the package http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem.html
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: download the package http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem.html ←
13:46:15 <ericstephan> markharrison: metadata that is intrinic to the data itself, other is format dependent.
Mark Harrison: metadata that is intrinic to the data itself, other is format dependent. ←
13:46:23 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:46:41 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: could you write this up markharrison?
Hadley Beeman: could you write this up markharrison? ←
13:46:48 <ericstephan> markharrison: yes
Mark Harrison: yes ←
13:47:42 <MTCarrasco> In Liked Data is called " useful information" - http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: In Liked Data is called " useful information" - http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html ←
13:48:07 <HadleyBeeman> action-48?
13:48:07 <trackbot> action-48 -- Newton Calegari to Will talk with other members to improve this versioning doc. in the next week i'll meet with flavio to discuss about it -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-48 -- Newton Calegari to Will talk with other members to improve this versioning doc. in the next week i'll meet with flavio to discuss about it -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN ←
13:48:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/48
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/48 ←
13:48:18 <ericstephan> ACTION: mark to write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata
ACTION: mark to write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata ←
13:48:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata [on Mark Harrison - due 2014-07-04].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-54 - Write to write up definitions on intrinsic metadata [on Mark Harrison - due 2014-07-04]. ←
13:48:21 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio ←
13:48:21 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted ←
13:48:24 <HadleyBeeman> action-49?
13:48:24 <trackbot> action-49 -- Newton Calegari to Follow the DAURI doc proposed by tomas (bp - uri doc) -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-49 -- Newton Calegari to Follow the DAURI doc proposed by tomas (bp - uri doc) -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN ←
13:48:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/49
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/49 ←
13:48:33 <MTCarrasco> http://dragoman.org/dauri
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://dragoman.org/dauri ←
13:48:50 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio ←
13:48:50 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted ←
13:48:54 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :) ←
13:49:44 <laufer> I still cannot access it
Carlos Laufer: I still cannot access it ←
13:49:50 <ericstephan> MTCarrasco: Still working on this item...assignees have problems accessing site.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Still working on this item...assignees have problems accessing site. ←
13:49:57 <Ig_Bittencourt> Me neither.
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Me neither. ←
13:50:05 <BernadetteLoscio> me neither
Bernadette Farias Loscio: me neither ←
13:50:30 <ericstephan> github access problems...
github access problems... ←
13:50:51 <ericstephan> phila: yaso might be able to help...
Phil Archer: yaso might be able to help... ←
13:51:01 <yaso> Yes, I can help with that
Yaso Córdova: Yes, I can help with that ←
13:51:26 <Zakim> -jerdeb
Zakim IRC Bot: -jerdeb ←
13:51:41 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
13:51:46 <ericstephan> MTCarrasco: At the end of the day we need to write something up, this kind of work is very important.
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: At the end of the day we need to write something up, this kind of work is very important. ←
13:51:47 <jerdeb> zakim, ??P5 is me
Jeremy Debattista: zakim, ??P5 is me ←
13:51:47 <Zakim> +jerdeb; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jerdeb; got it ←
13:55:12 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: significant value making things publically available. Use of wiki, email are important, but they don't necessary become documents. Some just preparitory discussions.
Hadley Beeman: significant value making things publically available. Use of wiki, email are important, but they don't necessary become documents. Some just preparitory discussions. ←
13:55:16 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:55:18 <HadleyBeeman> action-50?
13:55:18 <trackbot> action-50 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Organise a discussion by email on https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/best_practices_guidelines#general_guidelines -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-50 -- Bernadette Farias Loscio to Organise a discussion by email on https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/best_practices_guidelines#general_guidelines -- due 2014-06-20 -- OPEN ←
13:55:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/50
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/50 ←
13:55:23 <MTCarrasco> Start writing formally as Editor's Drafts, it is easier to transform in Recommendations
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Start writing formally as Editor's Drafts, it is easier to transform in Recommendations ←
13:55:26 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio ←
13:55:26 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted ←
13:56:07 <ericstephan> bernadette: No input sense last week. I need feedback from our working group.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: No input sense last week. I need feedback from our working group. ←
13:56:27 <phila> I am as guilty as the next person for not having reviewed what Bernadette asked us to look at
Phil Archer: I am as guilty as the next person for not having reviewed what Bernadette asked us to look at ←
13:56:38 <ericstephan> bernadette: Yes lets talk about it next week in our group call.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yes lets talk about it next week in our group call. ←
13:57:02 <ericstephan> bernadette: Feedback in email would be great.
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Feedback in email would be great. ←
13:57:06 <HadleyBeeman> action-51?
13:57:06 <trackbot> action-51 -- Eric Stephan to Work with sumitpurohit to put a wiki page together showing other examples of closed data that may not be in the ucr -- due 2014-06-27 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-51 -- Eric Stephan to Work with sumitpurohit to put a wiki page together showing other examples of closed data that may not be in the ucr -- due 2014-06-27 -- OPEN ←
13:57:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/51
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/51 ←
13:57:08 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio ←
13:57:08 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted ←
13:57:17 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Closed_Data_Examples#4._Non_HTTP_protocol_based_data
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Closed_Data_Examples#4._Non_HTTP_protocol_based_data ←
13:57:37 <phila> ericstephan: That's the general link that Sumit set up yesterday
Eric Stephan: That's the general link that Sumit set up yesterday [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:58:05 <phila> ... we started a preliminary list of things that might be considered closed, but the open data would be useful to the closed community
Phil Archer: ... we started a preliminary list of things that might be considered closed, but the open data would be useful to the closed community ←
13:58:16 <phila> ... should we go through it in more detail nxt week
Phil Archer: ... should we go through it in more detail nxt week ←
13:58:46 <phila> ericstephan: comments welcome next week. I'll send a mail to the WG. We went through the UCR and tried to call out overlaps/similarities
Eric Stephan: comments welcome next week. I'll send a mail to the WG. We went through the UCR and tried to call out overlaps/similarities [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:59:02 <phila> HadleyBeeman: I'd like to go through these and decide which ones are and are not in scope
Hadley Beeman: I'd like to go through these and decide which ones are and are not in scope [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:59:21 <ericstephan> hadleybeeman: Vocabulary editors?
Hadley Beeman: Vocabulary editors? ←
13:59:23 <phila> close action-52 (I did it)
Phil Archer: close ACTION-52 (I did it) ←
13:59:54 <phila> ericstephan: We had a brief call yesterday. Part of the purpose... we got a light start... but it's good that we're meeting and keeping in touch
Eric Stephan: We had a brief call yesterday. Part of the purpose... we got a light start... but it's good that we're meeting and keeping in touch [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:00:06 <HadleyBeeman> close action-52
Hadley Beeman: close ACTION-52 ←
14:00:06 <trackbot> Closed action-52.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-52. ←
14:00:14 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: shared some of the work her students have done (ref action-53) Data Usage work
Bernadette Farias Loscio: shared some of the work her students have done (ref ACTION-53) Data Usage work [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:00:28 <BernadetteLoscio> close action 53 (https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Meetings)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: close ACTION-53 (https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Vocabulary_Meetings) ←
14:00:43 <phila> ericstephan: What we committed to was to produce things between now nad our next meeting which I think is 11 July
Eric Stephan: What we committed to was to produce things between now nad our next meeting which I think is 11 July [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:00:55 <phila> ... and I'll mentioned that Antoine agreed to cahir that meeting
Phil Archer: ... and I'll mentioned that Antoine agreed to cahir that meeting ←
14:01:05 <phila> ... I was pleased that other WG members joined the meeting
Phil Archer: ... I was pleased that other WG members joined the meeting ←
14:01:10 <phila> ... good to see the interest
Phil Archer: ... good to see the interest ←
14:01:36 <phila> close action-53
Phil Archer: close ACTION-53 ←
14:01:36 <trackbot> Closed action-53.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-53. ←
14:01:47 <BernadetteLoscio> thank you!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thank you! ←
14:01:50 <phila> Eric Kauz http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/0626_phila_wot/20140625_213220.jpg
Phil Archer: Eric Kauz http://www.w3.org/2014/Talks/0626_phila_wot/20140625_213220.jpg ←
14:03:04 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco
Zakim IRC Bot: -MTCarrasco ←
14:03:07 <laufer> bye, nice weekend
Carlos Laufer: bye, nice weekend ←
14:03:10 <BernadetteLoscio> nice weekend!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: nice weekend! ←
14:03:11 <Ig_Bittencourt> bye
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: bye ←
14:03:12 <markharrison> bye!
Mark Harrison: bye! ←
14:03:13 <jerdeb> bye
Jeremy Debattista: bye ←
14:03:13 <Zakim> -Makx_Dekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx_Dekkers ←
14:03:14 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
14:03:15 <BernadetteLoscio> tchau!!!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: tchau!!! ←
14:03:15 <Zakim> -Ig_Bittencourt
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ig_Bittencourt ←
14:03:16 <Zakim> -jerdeb
Zakim IRC Bot: -jerdeb ←
14:03:18 <Zakim> -yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso ←
14:03:19 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
14:03:20 <Zakim> -phila
Zakim IRC Bot: -phila ←
14:03:21 <Zakim> -markharrison
Zakim IRC Bot: -markharrison ←
14:03:21 <Zakim> -laufer
Zakim IRC Bot: -laufer ←
14:03:22 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
14:03:24 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: -BernadetteLoscio ←
14:03:28 <Makx_Dekkers> bye
Makx Dekkers: bye ←
14:03:35 <yaso> Bye!
Yaso Córdova: Bye! ←
14:08:25 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Ig_Bittencourt, in DATA_DWBP()9:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, Ig_Bittencourt, in DATA_DWBP()9:00AM ←
14:08:27 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended ←
14:08:27 <Zakim> Attendees were MTCarrasco, yaso, phila, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, markharrison, Ig_Bittencourt, jerdeb, antoine, laufer, BernadetteLoscio, Ivan, Makx_Dekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were MTCarrasco, yaso, phila, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, markharrison, Ig_Bittencourt, jerdeb, antoine, laufer, BernadetteLoscio, Ivan, Makx_Dekkers ←
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