edit

Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 12 June 2014

Seen
Bart van Leeuwen, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Carlos Laufer, Eric Kauz, Eric Stephan, Hadley Beeman, Mark Harrison
Chair
Hadley Beeman
Scribe
Eric Stephan
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. We will keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list link
Topics
15:58:34 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-dwbp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/12-dwbp-irc

15:58:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs 351

15:58:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP

15:58:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

15:58:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
15:58:39 <trackbot> Date: 12 June 2014
15:59:13 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman has changed the topic to: Vocabularies call. Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140612

Hadley Beeman: HadleyBeeman has changed the topic to: Vocabularies call. Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140612

16:00:18 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has now started

16:00:25 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.554.aaaa

16:01:15 <Zakim> - +1.509.554.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.554.aaaa

16:01:16 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has ended

16:01:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.509.554.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.509.554.aaaa

16:01:33 <HadleyBeeman> Sorry, ericstephan.  Diailing in now

Hadley Beeman: Sorry, ericstephan. Diailing in now

16:01:37 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()12:00PM has now started

16:01:44 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.554.aaaa

16:01:56 <ericstephan> zakim, +1.509 is me

Eric Stephan: zakim, +1.509 is me

16:01:56 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it

16:02:06 <Zakim> + +1.609.557.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.557.aabb

16:02:16 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

16:02:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p7 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p7 is me

16:02:27 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

16:02:59 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

16:03:43 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here?

16:03:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman

16:03:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot

16:03:50 <Zakim> + +44.122.333.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.122.333.aacc

16:04:27 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

16:04:27 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here?

16:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, +44.122.333.aacc, ??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, +44.122.333.aacc, ??P11

16:04:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see markharrison, CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markharrison, CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot

16:04:35 <markharrison> Zakim, aacc is me

Mark Harrison: Zakim, aacc is me

16:04:36 <Zakim> +markharrison; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +markharrison; got it

16:05:09 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here?

16:05:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, ??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, markharrison, ??P11

16:05:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, markharrison, CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Eric_Kauz, markharrison, CarlosIglesias, BartvanLeeuwen, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, BernadetteLoscio, HadleyBeeman, ivan, trackbot

16:05:23 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aabb is me

Eric Kauz: zakim, aabb is me

16:05:23 <Zakim> +Eric_Kauz; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Eric_Kauz; got it

16:05:24 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P11 is really me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P11 is really me

16:05:25 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it

16:05:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:05:35 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

16:05:35 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it

16:05:51 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

16:05:55 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

16:05:55 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

16:06:07 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

16:07:50 <HadleyBeeman> scribenick: ericstephan

(Scribe set to Eric Stephan)

16:07:59 <BernadetteLoscio> my connection is not really good... im affraid of scribing :(

Bernadette Farias Loscio: my connection is not really good... im affraid of scribing :(

16:07:59 <HadleyBeeman> chair: hadleybeeman
16:08:13 <ericstephan> scribe: Eric Stephan
16:08:44 <ericstephan> Hadley:  Chair for the meetings, should be the editors.

Hadley Beeman: Chair for the meetings, should be the editors.

16:08:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:08:50 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:08:55 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

16:09:00 <ericstephan> Hadley:  What should be the purpose of the calls?

Hadley Beeman: What should be the purpose of the calls?

16:09:47 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Still not sure, what we want to see from the combined meetings...curious what we will end up with today

Bart van Leeuwen: Still not sure, what we want to see from the combined meetings...curious what we will end up with today

16:10:16 <ericstephan> Hadley:  Phil and I thought it would be useful to discuss topics that we don't have time in the normal meetings

Hadley Beeman: Phil and I thought it would be useful to discuss topics that we don't have time in the normal meetings

16:10:19 <ericstephan> q+

q+

16:10:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:10:32 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

16:10:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:10:58 <laufer> zakim, ipcaller is me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, ipcaller is me

16:10:58 <Zakim> +laufer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it

16:11:10 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

16:11:10 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

16:11:27 <laufer> hello hadley, all

Carlos Laufer: hello hadley, all

16:11:36 <BernadetteLoscio> hello Laufer!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: hello Laufer!

16:11:43 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: I want to coordinate between the vocabularies

Eric Stephan: I want to coordinate between the vocabularies [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

16:11:54 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Agree that we make sure we don't overlap with vocabularies in meeting

Bart van Leeuwen: Agree that we make sure we don't overlap with vocabularies in meeting

16:12:14 <ericstephan> BarvanLeeuwen:  Do we want the issue tracker separate or in the general mailing list?

Bart van Leeuwen: Do we want the issue tracker separate or in the general mailing list?

16:12:20 <BernadetteLoscio> YES

Bernadette Farias Loscio: YES

16:12:21 <laufer> hi bernadette

Carlos Laufer: hi bernadette

16:12:22 <markharrison> yes

Mark Harrison: yes

16:12:25 <BernadetteLoscio> im sorry

Bernadette Farias Loscio: im sorry

16:12:26 <BernadetteLoscio> yes

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes

16:12:54 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  How much do you need to have separate discussions?  We have the separate mailing list.

Hadley Beeman: How much do you need to have separate discussions? We have the separate mailing list.

16:13:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack bart

Bart van Leeuwen: ack bart

16:13:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:13:15 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  Does this still make sense?

Hadley Beeman: Does this still make sense?

16:13:21 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

16:14:11 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Good point, understand the reason of the separate mailing list.  Hoping that the general group will be keeping up to date on the evolving vocabularies.

Bart van Leeuwen: Good point, understand the reason of the separate mailing list. Hoping that the general group will be keeping up to date on the evolving vocabularies.

16:14:13 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

16:14:57 <HadleyBeeman> ack me

Hadley Beeman: ack me

16:15:00 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  What you are saying makes sense, are you proposing to get rid of this mailing list?

Hadley Beeman: What you are saying makes sense, are you proposing to get rid of this mailing list?

16:15:20 <BernadetteLoscio> +q

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q

16:15:35 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

16:15:36 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

16:15:43 <HadleyBeeman> ack bern

Hadley Beeman: ack bern

16:15:46 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  If anyone can raise an issue on the tracker, it makes sense to keep discussions on the general mailing list.

Bart van Leeuwen: If anyone can raise an issue on the tracker, it makes sense to keep discussions on the general mailing list.

16:16:43 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

16:16:43 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

16:16:43 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  Not sure how this will work.  In the best practices working group how will it work if they are not seeing the discussion?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Not sure how this will work. In the best practices working group how will it work if they are not seeing the discussion?

16:17:31 <BernadetteLoscio> ok..

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok..

16:18:08 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  How we could outreach:  Our working group has a public mailing list for comments, if it is someone in the working group, they could raise an issue in the issue tracker or send an email to the group mailing list, or they could send an email to the vocab mailing list

Hadley Beeman: How we could outreach: Our working group has a public mailing list for comments, if it is someone in the working group, they could raise an issue in the issue tracker or send an email to the group mailing list, or they could send an email to the vocab mailing list

16:19:04 <BernadetteLoscio> yes... i understand

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes... i understand

16:19:11 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  My suggestion is that we put issues in the tracker based on an identified assignee that that will address the issue as opposed to the person who came up witht the issue.

Hadley Beeman: My suggestion is that we put issues in the tracker based on an identified assignee that that will address the issue as opposed to the person who came up witht the issue.

16:19:17 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

16:19:17 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

16:19:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:19:48 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

16:19:54 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

16:19:54 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

16:20:30 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

16:20:30 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

16:20:30 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  If we raise an issue,  we create an action of that, if we don't know who raised the issue, it might not be clear how it was initiated.

Bart van Leeuwen: If we raise an issue, we create an action of that, if we don't know who raised the issue, it might not be clear how it was initiated.

16:21:09 <markharrison> +q to suggest that anyone who raises an issue should add their name to the description of the issue

Mark Harrison: +q to suggest that anyone who raises an issue should add their name to the description of the issue

16:21:10 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Had this happen in another working group.

Bart van Leeuwen: Had this happen in another working group.

16:21:49 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

16:21:49 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

16:21:54 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  Trying to head off potential problem, but don't want to create more rules to make things more difficult.

Hadley Beeman: Trying to head off potential problem, but don't want to create more rules to make things more difficult.

16:22:28 <ericstephan> markharrison:  Can we at least ask people to put their name against this or email address so we have a direction channel back to them.

Mark Harrison: Can we at least ask people to put their name against this or email address so we have a direction channel back to them.

16:23:08 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Are we changing away from traditional w3c procedures?

Bart van Leeuwen: Are we changing away from traditional w3c procedures?

16:23:50 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  Not thinking of you as in charge of the document, but you the one responsible for addressing the problem.

Hadley Beeman: Not thinking of you as in charge of the document, but you the one responsible for addressing the problem.

16:24:01 <markharrison> +q

Mark Harrison: +q

16:24:09 <HadleyBeeman> ack mark

Hadley Beeman: ack mark

16:24:09 <Zakim> markharrison, you wanted to suggest that anyone who raises an issue should add their name to the description of the issue and to

Zakim IRC Bot: markharrison, you wanted to suggest that anyone who raises an issue should add their name to the description of the issue and to

16:24:36 <ericstephan> markharrison:  no way of communicating with that person if they left the group.

Mark Harrison: no way of communicating with that person if they left the group.

16:24:58 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  At least this way you could have follow up.

Bart van Leeuwen: At least this way you could have follow up.

16:25:36 <BartvanLeeuwen> -1

Bart van Leeuwen: -1

16:25:50 <ericstephan> +

+

16:25:51 <ericstephan> +1

+1

16:26:13 <ericstephan> +q

+q

16:26:44 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: My argument for the vocabularies mailing list. We could use it for an administrative and coordination perspective.

Eric Stephan: My argument for the vocabularies mailing list. We could use it for an administrative and coordination perspective. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

16:27:18 <HadleyBeeman> … I'm hearing that we want to have as much visibility as possible while the vocabularies are evolving.  So it might make sense to not inundate the mailing list with things about our meetings.

Hadley Beeman: … I'm hearing that we want to have as much visibility as possible while the vocabularies are evolving. So it might make sense to not inundate the mailing list with things about our meetings.

16:27:55 <HadleyBeeman> … An example: as we're sending out agendas — though others from the working group might want to attend the meeting if they are interested in it.

Hadley Beeman: … An example: as we're sending out agendas — though others from the working group might want to attend the meeting if they are interested in it.

16:28:27 <HadleyBeeman> … Others: consistency in the documents as we're evolving the vocabularies.  It wouldn't be a heavily used list.

Hadley Beeman: … Others: consistency in the documents as we're evolving the vocabularies. It wouldn't be a heavily used list.

16:28:45 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

16:28:45 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

16:29:24 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  Agree with ericstephan in terms of coordination, maybe we should wait a bit more and see if this makes sense.  Maybe it is too early to decide.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Agree with ericstephan in terms of coordination, maybe we should wait a bit more and see if this makes sense. Maybe it is too early to decide.

16:30:04 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  The problem with deciding later is that it might get a bit messy

Hadley Beeman: The problem with deciding later is that it might get a bit messy

16:30:45 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Do we keep the tracker on the general mailing list?  Haven't heard anyone talking about separating this.

Bart van Leeuwen: Do we keep the tracker on the general mailing list? Haven't heard anyone talking about separating this.

16:32:19 <ericstephan> PROPOSED: Keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list

PROPOSED: Keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list

16:32:27 <HadleyBeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

16:32:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

16:32:28 <ericstephan> +1

+1

16:32:31 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:32:38 <markharrison> +1

Mark Harrison: +1

16:32:40 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

16:32:59 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:33:10 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me

16:33:10 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted

16:33:48 <CarlosIglesias> abstention

Carlos Iglesias: abstention

16:34:31 <ericstephan> laufer:  I have my doubts if people not interested in the vocabulary will want to see this.

Carlos Laufer: I have my doubts if people not interested in the vocabulary will want to see this.

16:34:51 <laufer> 0

Carlos Laufer: 0

16:36:30 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

16:36:43 <ericstephan> RESOLVED: We will keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list

RESOLVED: We will keep the products and the issue tracker connected to the general mailing list

16:36:56 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

16:36:59 <HadleyBeeman> ack laufer

Hadley Beeman: ack laufer

16:37:13 <ericstephan> woohoo

woohoo

16:38:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:38:06 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

16:38:17 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

16:38:17 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

16:38:17 <ericstephan> laufer:  There may be some checkpoints where people will be interested in keeping up to date on the vocabularies.

Carlos Laufer: There may be some checkpoints where people will be interested in keeping up to date on the vocabularies.

16:39:19 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Keep it as simple as possible for the people actually doing the work.

Bart van Leeuwen: Keep it as simple as possible for the people actually doing the work.

16:39:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:40:04 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

16:40:09 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  For W3C purposes and the rest of the community we need to have agendas.  Do you want them to be project management focused or focused in another way?

Hadley Beeman: For W3C purposes and the rest of the community we need to have agendas. Do you want them to be project management focused or focused in another way?

16:40:45 <ericstephan> BarvanLeeuwen:  For the general call we can talk about things in greater detail and give a summary in the working group meeting.

Bart van Leeuwen: For the general call we can talk about things in greater detail and give a summary in the working group meeting.

16:40:48 <markharrison> +1 to technical discussions rather than procedural / project management

Mark Harrison: +1 to technical discussions rather than procedural / project management

16:41:01 <BernadetteLoscio> yes

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes

16:41:30 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  How will you decide the topics?

Hadley Beeman: How will you decide the topics?

16:41:41 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  question to editors

Hadley Beeman: question to editors

16:41:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:41:49 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

16:42:24 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Maybe go so far as to go into depth about something.  Maybe bring in guests to the call.

Bart van Leeuwen: Maybe go so far as to go into depth about something. Maybe bring in guests to the call.

16:42:30 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

16:42:30 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio

16:43:21 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  Need more technical discussions in the vocab call.  Eric and I have a standing meeting on the Data Usage vocabulary as well.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Need more technical discussions in the vocab call. Eric and I have a standing meeting on the Data Usage vocabulary as well.

16:44:05 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: I do agree about keeping the meetings technical.  There is a stewardship that Bernadette has mentioned that we need to consider.  We have to provide a cohesive picture for best practices.

Eric Stephan: I do agree about keeping the meetings technical. There is a stewardship that Bernadette has mentioned that we need to consider. We have to provide a cohesive picture for best practices. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

16:44:21 <HadleyBeeman> … The vocubularies have to be cohesive together, and be consumable.

Hadley Beeman: … The vocubularies have to be cohesive together, and be consumable.

16:45:00 <HadleyBeeman> … One example:  looking at the use case document in the context of each vocabulary.  Make sure the use cases could represent the vocabularies, work out what's missing.

Hadley Beeman: … One example: looking at the use case document in the context of each vocabulary. Make sure the use cases could represent the vocabularies, work out what's missing.

16:45:36 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  Mechanics of meetings, do we pick someone?

Hadley Beeman: Mechanics of meetings, do we pick someone?

16:45:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:45:53 <ericstephan> +1

+1

16:45:55 <HadleyBeeman> ack bert

Hadley Beeman: ack bert

16:45:56 <ericstephan> +q

+q

16:46:01 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

16:46:32 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

16:46:36 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Exchange among the editors and prepare an agenda as a propsal

Bart van Leeuwen: Exchange among the editors and prepare an agenda as a propsal

16:47:04 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: I agree that a rotating assignment is good. I like having a clause where if one vocab has a hot topic, they we can focus on it.

Eric Stephan: I agree that a rotating assignment is good. I like having a clause where if one vocab has a hot topic, they we can focus on it. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

16:47:15 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:49:18 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  Come up with agenda, put it out 24 hours in advance and facilitate meeting

Hadley Beeman: Come up with agenda, put it out 24 hours in advance and facilitate meeting

16:49:28 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan will chair next meeting

Hadley Beeman: ericstephan will chair next meeting

16:50:18 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

16:50:18 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio

16:50:40 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q

Bart van Leeuwen: +q

16:50:46 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  Recommends Use Cases discussion so that we can have something we can work on in the next two weeks.

Hadley Beeman: Recommends Use Cases discussion so that we can have something we can work on in the next two weeks.

16:50:54 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

16:50:58 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

16:51:31 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:51:33 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

16:51:40 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  Recommendation from the W3C to discuss the various procedures.  There are quite a few differences between the two approaches.

Bart van Leeuwen: Recommendation from the W3C to discuss the various procedures. There are quite a few differences between the two approaches.

16:52:27 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  In other working groups there is quite a bit of difference between each approach.

Bart van Leeuwen: In other working groups there is quite a bit of difference between each approach.

16:52:38 <ericstephan> +1

+1

16:52:41 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

16:53:36 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:   Use cases document:  BernadetteLoscio can you start the discussion?

Hadley Beeman: Use cases document: BernadetteLoscio can you start the discussion?

16:53:59 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  From the use case document we don't have a lot of requirements for the vocabularies.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: From the use case document we don't have a lot of requirements for the vocabularies.

16:54:26 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  We need to go into more detail to extract more requirements from the use cases we already have.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We need to go into more detail to extract more requirements from the use cases we already have.

16:54:31 <ericstephan> +q

+q

16:54:51 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_guidelines

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_guidelines

16:54:54 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  Tried mapping general requirements to best practices

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Tried mapping general requirements to best practices

16:55:40 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

16:55:44 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  From the best practices we are going to have requirements for vocabularies

Bernadette Farias Loscio: From the best practices we are going to have requirements for vocabularies

16:55:48 <ericstephan> +1

+1

16:56:20 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  From the use cases we are going to talk about quality and usage or are we going to just talk about data.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: From the use cases we are going to talk about quality and usage or are we going to just talk about data.

16:56:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

16:56:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

16:58:10 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  I think for next steps, we have 9 general best practices (in the wiki document) what are the general best practices.  What kind of data usage and data vocabulary should be available?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think for next steps, we have 9 general best practices (in the wiki document) what are the general best practices. What kind of data usage and data vocabulary should be available?

16:58:34 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio:  I think we need to discuss more about what we need to provide

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we need to discuss more about what we need to provide

16:59:25 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Examples_in_CSVW_Use_Cases

https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_Usage_Examples_in_CSVW_Use_Cases

16:59:30 <HadleyBeeman> ericstephan: I like Bernadette's best practice's guidelines.  I looked at the requirements and the overlap; I was drawn into the best practices from a data usage perspective.  Could see the applications for data quality and granularity as well.

Eric Stephan: I like Bernadette's best practice's guidelines. I looked at the requirements and the overlap; I was drawn into the best practices from a data usage perspective. Could see the applications for data quality and granularity as well. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

17:00:23 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

17:00:23 <HadleyBeeman> … This [link above] is the CSV on the Web use cases, a rough list.  It's more implementation oriented, and shows different categories with examples of usage.  We could do this with quality and granularity.  We could draw from this.

Hadley Beeman: … This [link above] is the CSV on the Web use cases, a rough list. It's more implementation oriented, and shows different categories with examples of usage. We could do this with quality and granularity. We could draw from this.

17:00:36 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart

Hadley Beeman: ack bart

17:00:40 <HadleyBeeman> ack eric

Hadley Beeman: ack eric

17:01:22 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  The complete group should do this to lift the weight off of our shoulders, can we propose this to be discussed in the call?

Bart van Leeuwen: The complete group should do this to lift the weight off of our shoulders, can we propose this to be discussed in the call?

17:02:20 <ericstephan> BartvanLeeuwen:  BernadetteLoscio had the right approach mapping the best practices to vocabularies.

Bart van Leeuwen: BernadetteLoscio had the right approach mapping the best practices to vocabularies.

17:03:09 <ericstephan> HadleyBeeman:  It would be good to discuss this with the rest of the group.

Hadley Beeman: It would be good to discuss this with the rest of the group.

17:03:19 <ericstephan> We could sing to you

We could sing to you

17:03:32 <laufer> bye...  good football world cup for all

Carlos Laufer: bye... good football world cup for all

17:03:40 <BernadetteLoscio> yes :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes :)

17:03:50 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

17:03:50 <BernadetteLoscio> bye

Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye

17:03:52 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

17:03:54 <ericstephan> bye bye

bye bye

17:03:54 <Zakim> -Eric_Kauz

Zakim IRC Bot: -Eric_Kauz

17:03:55 <CarlosIglesias> bye!

Carlos Iglesias: bye!

17:04:00 <HadleyBeeman> rrsagent, make logs public

Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, make logs public

17:04:01 <Zakim> -laufer

Zakim IRC Bot: -laufer

17:04:03 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias

17:04:04 <Zakim> -ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan

17:04:19 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio

Zakim IRC Bot: -BernadetteLoscio

17:04:31 <ericstephan> Do I need to do anything further?

Do I need to do anything further?

17:04:44 <HadleyBeeman> I don't think so, ericstephan.

Hadley Beeman: I don't think so, ericstephan.

17:05:05 <HadleyBeeman> Thank you enormously for scribing!

Hadley Beeman: Thank you enormously for scribing!

17:05:17 <ericstephan> Alright, Happy early birthday thanks for chairing!

Alright, Happy early birthday thanks for chairing!

17:05:22 <HadleyBeeman> Thanks :)

Hadley Beeman: Thanks :)

17:05:33 <ericstephan> bye

bye

17:07:34 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, bye

Hadley Beeman: zakim, bye

17:07:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +1.509.554.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, +44.122.333.aacc, markharrison, Eric_Kauz,

Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were +1.509.554.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.609.557.aabb, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, +44.122.333.aacc, markharrison, Eric_Kauz,

17:07:37 <Zakim> ... CarlosIglesias, BernadetteLoscio, laufer

Zakim IRC Bot: ... CarlosIglesias, BernadetteLoscio, laufer

17:07:39 <HadleyBeeman> trackbot, bye

Hadley Beeman: trackbot, bye

17:07:43 <HadleyBeeman> rrsagent, bye

Hadley Beeman: rrsagent, bye

17:07:43 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



Formatted by CommonScribe