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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group

Minutes of 28 February 2014

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Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Christophe Gueret, Daniel Schwabe, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, Ivan Herman, Makx Dekkers, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Steven Adler, Vagner Diniz, Yaso Córdova
Chair
Steven Adler
Scribe
Yaso Córdova
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. last week's minutes link
Topics
12:58:59 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-dwbp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/28-dwbp-irc

12:59:24 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

12:59:24 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is

12:59:31 <PhilA> zakim, this is DWBP

Phil Archer: zakim, this is DWBP

12:59:32 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; that matches DATA_DWBP()8:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; that matches DATA_DWBP()8:00AM

12:59:35 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

12:59:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

12:59:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

12:59:50 <Zakim> +Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve

12:59:51 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me

12:59:51 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it

13:00:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

13:00:22 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

13:00:23 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

13:00:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:00:45 <adler1> zakim, this is dwbp

Steven Adler: zakim, this is dwbp

13:00:45 <Zakim> adler1, this was already DATA_DWBP()8:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: adler1, this was already DATA_DWBP()8:00AM

13:00:46 <Zakim> ok, adler1; that matches DATA_DWBP()8:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, adler1; that matches DATA_DWBP()8:00AM

13:01:07 <Zakim> +ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan

13:01:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

13:01:33 <dschwabe> zakim, ipcaller.a is me

Daniel Schwabe: zakim, ipcaller.a is me

13:01:33 <Zakim> +dschwabe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dschwabe; got it

13:01:36 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

13:01:42 <cgueret> zakim, ??P6 is me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, ??P6 is me

13:01:42 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret; got it

13:01:45 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see +55213527aaaa, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, [IPcaller], ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +55213527aaaa, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, [IPcaller], ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret

13:01:47 <cgueret> zakim, mute me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me

13:01:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, newton, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, newton, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

13:01:48 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted

13:01:53 <Zakim> +yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso

13:02:04 <deirdrelee> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Deirdre Lee: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

13:02:05 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it

13:02:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:02:48 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me

13:02:48 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it

13:03:30 <yaso> Zakim, yaso has Nathalia

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Nathalia

13:03:30 <Zakim> +Nathalia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Nathalia; got it

13:03:31 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

13:03:39 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:03:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see +55213527aaaa, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +55213527aaaa, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman

13:03:41 <Zakim> yaso has Nathalia

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Nathalia

13:03:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, yaso, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, newton,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, yaso, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, newton,

13:03:41 <Zakim> ... PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

13:03:41 <yaso> zakim, yaso has Vagner

Yaso Córdova: zakim, yaso has Vagner

13:03:42 <Zakim> +Vagner; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vagner; got it

13:03:52 <yaso> Zakim, yaso has Caroline

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Caroline

13:03:52 <Zakim> +Caroline; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline; got it

13:04:17 <yaso> Zakim, yaso has Vagner_Br

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Vagner_Br

13:04:18 <Zakim> +Vagner_Br; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vagner_Br; got it

13:04:28 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is Laufer

Phil Archer: zakim, aaaa is Laufer

13:04:29 <EricStephan> Its almost March :-)

Eric Stephan: Its almost March :-)

13:04:29 <Zakim> +Laufer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Laufer; got it

13:05:23 <PhilA> chair: Steve
13:05:27 <PhilA> scribe: yaso

(Scribe set to Yaso Córdova)

13:05:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:05:51 <yaso> Laufer is introducing itself

Laufer is introducing itself

13:06:01 <yaso> Laufer: I work at the ??? group

Carlos Laufer: I work at the ??? group

13:06:18 <PhilA> Topic: New Member Intros

1. New Member Intros

13:06:18 <Zakim> +yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso

13:06:23 <yaso> Laufer: I'm interested in semantic Web, I work with Danil Scwabe

Carlos Laufer: I'm interested in semantic Web, I work with Daniel Schwabe

13:06:30 <dschwabe> MBUI Model Based User Interfaces

Daniel Schwabe: MBUI Model Based User Interfaces

13:06:45 <Zakim> + +212.67.87.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +212.67.87.aabb

13:06:46 <yaso> Laufer: I work modelling interfaces and I research semantic Web

Carlos Laufer: I work modelling interfaces and I research semantic Web

13:06:53 <Bernadette_Loscio> zakim, [IPcaller] is Bernadette_Loscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, [IPcaller] is Bernadette_Loscio

13:06:53 <Zakim> +Bernadette_Loscio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bernadette_Loscio; got it

13:06:55 <antoine> s/Danil Scwabe/Daniel Schwabe/
13:07:35 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

13:07:47 <CarlosIglesias> zakim ??P13 is really me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim ??P13 is really me

13:07:48 <yaso> Vagner: I am Vagner Diniz, the director of W3C Brazil, and I think it's a mistake, we're waiting for Wagner Meira

Vagner Diniz: I am Vagner Diniz, the director of W3C Brazil, and I think it's a mistake, we're waiting for Wagner Meira

13:08:20 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P13 is me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P13 is me

13:08:20 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it

13:08:35 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:08:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio, yaso, +212.67.87.aabb,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio, yaso, +212.67.87.aabb,

13:08:39 <adler1> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140227

Steven Adler: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140227

13:08:39 <Zakim> ... CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: ... CarlosIglesias

13:08:39 <Zakim> yaso has Vagner_Br

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Vagner_Br

13:08:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, yaso, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, yaso, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim,

13:08:39 <Zakim> ... adler1, newton, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... adler1, newton, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

13:09:03 <Zakim> -yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso

13:09:18 <PhilA> zakim, aabb is Makx

Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is Makx

13:09:18 <Zakim> +Makx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx; got it

13:09:23 <dschwabe> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-27 gives me  internal error!

Daniel Schwabe: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-27 gives me internal error!

13:09:31 <yaso> PROPOSED: aprove last week minutes

PROPOSED: aprove last week minutes

13:09:34 <EricStephan> Its the wrong date

Eric Stephan: Its the wrong date

13:09:44 <PhilA> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21

13:10:06 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21

13:10:06 <Zakim> +yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso

13:10:11 <PhilA> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21

PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-21

13:10:11 <antoine> q+ on announcing minutes

Antoine Isaac: q+ on announcing minutes

13:10:19 <yaso> +1

+1

13:10:20 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

13:10:20 <EricStephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:10:22 <cgueret> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1

13:10:26 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:10:27 <PhilA> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:10:27 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:10:31 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

13:10:38 <CarlosIglesias> +1

Carlos Iglesias: +1

13:10:42 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

13:10:42 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

13:10:43 <Vagner_Br> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

13:10:50 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1

13:11:20 <yaso> RESOLVED: last week's minutes

RESOLVED: last week's minutes

13:11:47 <Bernadette_Loscio> zakim, mute me

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute me

13:11:47 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio should now be muted

13:12:13 <yaso> Steve: who's planning to join us at London?

Steven Adler: who's planning to join us at London?

13:12:15 <HadleyBeeman> I'll be in London for the f2f :)

Hadley Beeman: I'll be in London for the f2f :)

13:12:19 <Bernadette_Loscio> me too

Bernadette Farias Loscio: me too

13:12:21 <Vagner_Br> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1

13:12:24 <Bernadette_Loscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

13:12:24 <EricStephan> I could attend remotely

Eric Stephan: I could attend remotely

13:12:26 <antoine> tickets booked :-)

Antoine Isaac: tickets booked :-)

13:12:27 <yaso> Laufer: I'm going to the F2F meeting

Carlos Laufer: I'm going to the F2F meeting

13:12:35 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:12:37 <PhilA> Makx: Can we attend remotely

Makx Dekkers: Can we attend remotely [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:12:47 <PhilA> There will definitely be an IRC channel!

Phil Archer: There will definitely be an IRC channel!

13:12:56 <CarlosIglesias> +1

Carlos Iglesias: +1

13:13:06 <yaso> Steve: we can open a line for that

Steven Adler: we can open a line for that

13:13:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:13:25 <yaso> Zakim, who's making noise?

Zakim, who's making noise?

13:13:36 <Zakim> yaso, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: PhilA (13%), Steve (13%), CarlosIglesias (8%), [IPcaller] (57%)

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: PhilA (13%), Steve (13%), CarlosIglesias (8%), [IPcaller] (57%)

13:13:40 <newton> Zakim who's talking?

Newton Calegari: Zakim who's talking?

13:13:43 <nathalia> I think I can attend remotely too

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: I think I can attend remotely too

13:13:46 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

13:14:06 <Zakim> -yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso

13:14:32 <antoine> I suggest just to open a wiki page

Antoine Isaac: I suggest just to open a wiki page

13:14:37 <antoine> for counting people

Antoine Isaac: for counting people

13:14:44 <Makx> -q

Makx Dekkers: -q

13:14:58 <Vagner_Br> Phil, Yaso went out

Vagner Diniz: Phil, Yaso went out

13:15:55 <Caroline> Steve: the agenda should be a discussion document

Steven Adler: the agenda should be a discussion document [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

13:16:02 <Caroline> ... can we start to discuss it?

Caroline Burle: ... can we start to discuss it?

13:16:12 <Caroline> ... about the venue of the face to face meeting

Caroline Burle: ... about the venue of the face to face meeting

13:16:16 <gatemezi> URL for f2f meeting https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#attendees

Ghislain Atemezing: URL for f2f meeting https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#attendees

13:16:31 <Caroline> ... we had events on Linked Data and it is the first one on open data

Caroline Burle: ... we had events on Linked Data and it is the first one on open data

13:16:39 <Caroline> ... my team (at IBM) is very excited

Caroline Burle: ... my team (at IBM) is very excited

13:16:49 <Caroline> ... we could engage some practioners

Caroline Burle: ... we could engage some practioners

13:17:14 <Caroline> ... IBM hosting the event could provide some speakers and it could cover coffee and lunch

Caroline Burle: ... IBM hosting the event could provide some speakers and it could cover coffee and lunch

13:17:26 <Caroline> ... the venue is a beautiful space and very well located

Caroline Burle: ... the venue is a beautiful space and very well located

13:17:31 <Caroline> ... it is very easy to get there

Caroline Burle: ... it is very easy to get there

13:17:36 <EricStephan> I am jealous :-) sounds great

Eric Stephan: I am jealous :-) sounds great

13:18:07 <Caroline> ... Phil and Hadley arre looking for a speaker to introduce??

Caroline Burle: ... Phil and Hadley are looking for a speaker to introduce??

13:18:18 <Caroline> ... do we want to go through the use cases?

Caroline Burle: ... do we want to go through the use cases?

13:18:21 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:18:28 <gatemezi> s/arre/are
13:18:42 <Caroline> ... we could have the speakers in the beggining of the day as a keynote and at the end of the day

Caroline Burle: ... we could have the speakers in the beggining of the day as a keynote and at the end of the day

13:18:59 <PhilA> q+ to ask who the OSM person is?

Phil Archer: q+ to ask who the OSM person is?

13:19:29 <Caroline> ... anybody has ideas about this agenda?

Caroline Burle: ... anybody has ideas about this agenda?

13:19:50 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:19:52 <Vagner_Br> +q

Vagner Diniz: +q

13:19:54 <Caroline> Zakim, who is on the queue?

Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is on the queue?

13:19:54 <Zakim> I see antoine, PhilA, Vagner_Br on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see antoine, PhilA, Vagner_Br on the speaker queue

13:19:56 <yaso_> I'm back!  Tks Caroline

I'm back! Tks Caroline

13:20:02 <adler1> ack antoine

Steven Adler: ack antoine

13:20:02 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on announcing minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to comment on announcing minutes

13:20:15 <PhilA> q- later

Phil Archer: q- later

13:20:50 <yaso_> Antoine: One opening keynote and one closing keynote it's a good idea

Antoine Isaac: One opening keynote and one closing keynote it's a good idea

13:21:12 <dschwabe> +1

Daniel Schwabe: +1

13:21:14 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

13:21:15 <Caroline> +1 regarding what Antoine said

Caroline Burle: +1 regarding what Antoine said

13:21:19 <yaso_> Steve: does anybody have any concerns about 2 keynotes?

Steven Adler: does anybody have any concerns about 2 keynotes?

13:21:20 <nathalia> +1

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1

13:21:23 <yaso_> +1

+1

13:21:33 <PhilA> ack Vagner_Br

Phil Archer: ack Vagner_Br

13:21:34 <antoine> q- later

Antoine Isaac: q- later

13:21:34 <yaso_> ack Vagner

ack Vagner

13:21:40 <Laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:22:16 <yaso_> Vagner: I'm ok with having 2 keynotes but my first concern is: Steve said it's gonna be the 1st meeting on Open Data

Vagner Diniz: I'm ok with having 2 keynotes but my first concern is: Steve said it's gonna be the 1st meeting on Open Data

13:22:30 <yaso_> I raise a question: it's about Open Data or Data on the Web

I raise a question: it's about Open Data or Data on the Web

13:23:01 <yaso_> Vagner: We have to be sure about what we want from this F2f I think it's not very clear about that, at least for me

Vagner Diniz: We have to be sure about what we want from this F2f I think it's not very clear about that, at least for me

13:23:17 <yaso_> steve: those are good points

Steven Adler: those are good points

13:23:33 <EricStephan> +q

Eric Stephan: +q

13:23:39 <cgueret> -1 to synonym, +1 to larger category

Christophe Gueret: -1 to synonym, +1 to larger category

13:23:40 <antoine> q- later

Antoine Isaac: q- later

13:23:41 <yaso_> Steve: Does everybody thinks tha DW and OD are synonyms?

Steven Adler: Does everybody thinks tha DW and OD are synonyms?

13:23:43 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:23:50 <PhilA> Charter says: How can open data be interoperable not just with other open data but with data made available at marginal cost, under less permissive license terms, or with enterprise data?

Phil Archer: Charter says: How can open data be interoperable not just with other open data but with data made available at marginal cost, under less permissive license terms, or with enterprise data?

13:23:52 <antoine> q- later

Antoine Isaac: q- later

13:23:57 <gatemezi> I can suggest PhilA to have a small keynote during the F2F meeting

Ghislain Atemezing: I can suggest PhilA to have a small keynote during the F2F meeting

13:24:15 <yaso_> Phil: Data on the Web includes open data

Phil Archer: Data on the Web includes open data

13:24:53 <yaso_> Phil: it includes data that is in some another technology - Open Data it's not the focus of this group

Phil Archer: it includes data that is not open (irrespective of technology) - Open Data it's not the only focus of this group

13:24:56 <PhilA> q- later

Phil Archer: q- later

13:25:05 <yaso_> Steve: Vagner is that a line of your expectations?

Steven Adler: Vagner is that a line of your expectations?

13:25:33 <antoine> PhilA++

Antoine Isaac: PhilA++

13:25:38 <yaso_> Vagner: yes, today I consider that Open Data is part of Data on The web. We should adress a large spectrum of data on this meeting

Vagner Diniz: yes, today I consider that Open Data is part of Data on The web. We should adress a large spectrum of data on this meeting

13:25:43 <antoine> q-

Antoine Isaac: q-

13:25:52 <CarlosIglesias> please note that Open Data is just Data on the web fulfilling a series of principles https://public.resource.org/8_principles.html

Carlos Iglesias: please note that Open Data is just Data on the web fulfilling a series of principles https://public.resource.org/8_principles.html

13:25:53 <PhilA> s/it includes data that is in some another technology - Open Data it's not the focus of this group/it includes data that is not open (irrespective of technology) - Open Data it's not the only focus of this group/
13:26:06 <yaso_> Steve: the metadata could also be applied to other types of data

Steven Adler: the metadata could also be applied to other types of data

13:26:08 <dschwabe> Does "barrier" include legal restrictions, i.e., data is accessible, but usable only withing restricted contexts, defined by a legal condition?

Daniel Schwabe: Does "barrier" include legal restrictions, i.e., data is accessible, but usable only withing restricted contexts, defined by a legal condition?

13:26:19 <CarlosIglesias> is not about firewalls and the so

Carlos Iglesias: is not about firewalls and the so

13:26:38 <CarlosIglesias> data could be public but without an open license by example

Carlos Iglesias: data could be public but without an open license by example

13:26:42 <yaso_> Vagner, does that definition works for you?

Vagner, does that definition works for you?

13:26:42 <EricStephan> I see "Data on the Web" open to protocols others than HTTP

Eric Stephan: I see "Data on the Web" open to protocols others than HTTP

13:26:49 <CarlosIglesias> that's also data on the web but not open data

Carlos Iglesias: that's also data on the web but not open data

13:27:08 <CarlosIglesias> in fact most of what we call open data is not actually open data but data on the web

Carlos Iglesias: in fact most of what we call open data is not actually open data but data on the web

13:27:45 <EricStephan> I would like open protocols like ftp, sftp, rsync etc to be a part of this as well.

Eric Stephan: I would like open protocols like ftp, sftp, rsync etc to be a part of this as well.

13:27:59 <yaso_> +1 to EricStephan

+1 to EricStephan

13:28:03 <PhilA> q+ to say that part of the task we have is to tell folks like that those standards are largely already defined

Phil Archer: q+ to say that part of the task we have is to tell folks like that those standards are largely already defined

13:28:37 <yaso_> Steve: i'm asking if that it's a convenient way and would that covers yours expectations

Steven Adler: i'm asking if that it's a convenient way and would that covers yours expectations

13:29:09 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:29:13 <yaso_> Vagner: my concern is much more about different technologies to make the data available

Vagner Diniz: my concern is much more about different technologies to make the data available

13:29:16 <dschwabe> q?

Daniel Schwabe: q?

13:29:25 <adler1> yaso is a great scribe

Steven Adler: yaso is a great scribe

13:29:50 <yaso_> Vagner: we could consider  some BP on other technologies and try to reach them also

Vagner Diniz: we could consider some BP on other technologies and try to reach them also

13:29:59 <adler1> ack Eric

Steven Adler: ack Eric

13:30:04 <yaso_> Vagner: datavis is another field that we should rely on

Vagner Diniz: datavis is another field that we should rely on

13:30:13 <PhilA> ack EricStephan

Phil Archer: ack EricStephan

13:30:34 <yaso_> Eric: I just want to mention that are other protocols when we talk about data on the web

Eric Stephan: I just want to mention that are other protocols when we talk about data on the web

13:31:03 <PhilA> If it's not on HTTP(s) it's not on the Web... which may or may not be a useful observation

Phil Archer: If it's not on HTTP(s) it's not on the Web... which may or may not be a useful observation

13:31:15 <dschwabe> q+

Daniel Schwabe: q+

13:31:16 <HadleyBeeman> Eric: can you give an example of another protocol?

Eric Stephan: can you give an example of another protocol? [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

13:31:19 <yaso_> Eric: there are other techniques that can help scientific community to share information

Eric Stephan: there are other techniques that can help scientific community to share information

13:31:19 <PhilA> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

13:31:32 <adler1> ack deirdrelee

Steven Adler: ack deirdrelee

13:31:36 <Caroline> Zakim, unmute deirdrelee

Caroline Burle: Zakim, unmute deirdrelee

13:31:36 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, Caroline

13:31:40 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:31:40 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to ask who the OSM person is? and to say that part of the task we have is to tell folks like that those standards are largely already defined

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to ask who the OSM person is? and to say that part of the task we have is to tell folks like that those standards are largely already defined

13:32:22 <yaso_> Phil:i could say that  The web is Http and other protocols are out of the scope

Phil Archer: i could say that The web is Http and other protocols are out of the scope

13:32:27 <EricStephan> Yes Hadley, I can bring this out in my use case

Eric Stephan: Yes Hadley, I can bring this out in my use case

13:32:37 <yaso_> phil: but that is not a god aproach

Phil Archer: but that is not a god aproach

13:32:46 <HadleyBeeman> @ericstephan: Thanks.  You've made me curious!

Hadley Beeman: @ericstephan: Thanks. You've made me curious!

13:33:01 <yaso_> Phil: part of our job is to tell people about the web

Phil Archer: part of our job is to tell people about the web

13:33:05 <EricStephan> Phil  - I know I know, but a uri can point to these protocols

Eric Stephan: Phil - I know I know, but a uri can point to these protocols

13:33:42 <PhilA> yes EricStephan

Phil Archer: yes EricStephan

13:33:52 <yaso_> Steve: I think about BP and the metadata vocabs that we're going to create are not connected to protocols discussions

Steven Adler: I think about BP and the metadata vocabs that we're going to create are not connected to protocols discussions

13:34:01 <yaso_> Zakim, who's speaking?

Zakim, who's speaking?

13:34:09 <PhilA> yaso_ this is EricStephan

Phil Archer: yaso_ this is EricStephan

13:34:11 <Zakim> yaso_, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso_, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

13:34:16 <yaso_> Tks Phil

Tks Phil

13:36:00 <yaso_> Eric: basicly I see that the web is the main platform, but thinking in other enviroments to put data maybe it's a good idea

Eric Stephan: basicly I see that the web is the main platform, but thinking in other enviroments to put data maybe it's a good idea

13:36:00 <HadleyBeeman> Are there Web-based pointers or standards that could start those high-speed FTP processes? (Should there be?)

Hadley Beeman: Are there Web-based pointers or standards that could start those high-speed FTP processes? (Should there be?)

13:36:01 <cgueret> q+ to say I would prefer us to focus on HTTP

Christophe Gueret: q+ to say I would prefer us to focus on HTTP

13:36:31 <yaso_> Steve: I suggest that we can work on some scope

Steven Adler: I suggest that we can work on some scope

13:36:42 <cgueret> +1 to Steve proposal

Christophe Gueret: +1 to Steve proposal

13:36:47 <yaso_> Steve: the charteris vague on how do we wanna go

Steven Adler: the charter is vague on how do we wanna go

13:36:51 <dschwabe> +1

Daniel Schwabe: +1

13:37:06 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:37:15 <gatemezi> s/charteris/charter is
13:37:58 <antoine> q+ on scope

Antoine Isaac: q+ on scope

13:38:01 <yaso_> Dschwabe: I also agree that we should organize

Daniel Schwabe: I also agree that we should organize

13:38:11 <Caroline> zakim, who is speaking?

Caroline Burle: zakim, who is speaking?

13:38:22 <Zakim> Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Laufer (4%), deirdrelee (100%), Makx (14%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Caroline, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Laufer (4%), deirdrelee (100%), Makx (14%)

13:39:06 <yaso_> I would suggest that we can identify where data it's been published

I would suggest that we can identify where data it's been published

13:39:15 <dschwabe> dschwabe

Daniel Schwabe: dschwabe

13:39:20 <yaso_> Phil I think it's Laufer

Phil I think it's Laufer

13:39:43 <yaso_> Steve: we can have federated sources of data

Steven Adler: we can have federated sources of data

13:39:46 <Laufer> it's dschwabe

Carlos Laufer: it's dschwabe

13:39:54 <EricStephan> +1 Steve

Eric Stephan: +1 Steve

13:39:55 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:39:56 <yaso_> Laufer: tks

Carlos Laufer: tks

13:40:10 <EricStephan> I've heard it called "data in the wild"

Eric Stephan: I've heard it called "data in the wild"

13:40:23 <yaso_> Steve: How far, whats are the limits of our work

Steven Adler: How far, whats are the limits of our work

13:40:48 <yaso_> dschwabe: we don't have to cover all fields

Daniel Schwabe: we don't have to cover all fields

13:41:29 <yaso_> dschwabe: It's not clear to me how far we can go

Daniel Schwabe: It's not clear to me how far we can go

13:41:42 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:41:45 <Caroline> I am not on the queue, thank you!

Caroline Burle: I am not on the queue, thank you!

13:41:55 <EricStephan> I like your point dschwabe about best practices, we don't have to be explicit about a certain applications needs

Eric Stephan: I like your point dschwabe about best practices, we don't have to be explicit about a certain applications needs

13:41:56 <PhilA> ack dschwabe

Phil Archer: ack dschwabe

13:42:03 <PhilA> ack cgueret

Phil Archer: ack cgueret

13:42:04 <Zakim> cgueret, you wanted to say I would prefer us to focus on HTTP

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret, you wanted to say I would prefer us to focus on HTTP

13:43:00 <HadleyBeeman> q+ to talk about Web standards vs internet protocols

Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about Web standards vs internet protocols

13:43:02 <EricStephan> I am fine with focusing http, I just want the others ignored.  I think we are in agreement

Eric Stephan: I am fine with focusing http, I just want the others ignored. I think we are in agreement

13:43:12 <dschwabe> My suggestion is that using URIs to identify items... they don't necessarily have to be http URIs

Daniel Schwabe: My suggestion is that using URIs to identify items... they don't necessarily have to be http URIs

13:43:13 <EricStephan> I don't want the others ignored

Eric Stephan: I don't want the others ignored

13:43:14 <PhilA> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases Use Cases we have so far

Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases Use Cases we have so far

13:43:16 <EricStephan> sorry

Eric Stephan: sorry

13:43:17 <PhilA> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

13:43:19 <yaso_> Tks EricStephan

Tks EricStephan

13:43:26 <cgueret> ack me

Christophe Gueret: ack me

13:43:35 <cgueret> zakim, mute me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me

13:43:35 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted

13:43:42 <yaso_> deirdrelee: this discussion are very related with the use cases that we collected

Deirdre Lee: this discussion are very related with the use cases that we collected

13:44:05 <cgueret> +1 to Eric, focus on HTTP and don't forget the others

Christophe Gueret: +1 to Eric, focus on HTTP and don't forget the others

13:44:19 <yaso_> deirdrelee: there are other aspects as well

Deirdre Lee: there are other aspects as well

13:44:32 <EricStephan> I'll bring out the protocols in my use case which I haven't done yet :-)

Eric Stephan: I'll bring out the protocols in my use case which I haven't done yet :-)

13:44:54 <yaso_> Steve: the use cases that we collected are a signal of the maturity of the industry

Steven Adler: the use cases that we collected are a signal of the maturity of the industry

13:44:58 <antoine> deirdre++

Antoine Isaac: deirdre++

13:44:59 <dschwabe> mute me

Daniel Schwabe: mute me

13:45:07 <HadleyBeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

13:45:15 <PhilA> ack antoine

Phil Archer: ack antoine

13:45:15 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on scope

Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, you wanted to comment on scope

13:45:20 <EricStephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:45:21 <adler1> ack antoine

Steven Adler: ack antoine

13:45:45 <Caroline> Steve: there maybe be thigns in the use cases there are missing, but we should work more cientifically as well

Steven Adler: there maybe be thigns in the use cases there are missing, but we should work more cientifically as well [ Scribe Assist by Caroline Burle ]

13:45:56 <dschwabe> zakim, mute me

Daniel Schwabe: zakim, mute me

13:45:56 <Zakim> dschwabe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should now be muted

13:46:00 <Zakim> -Makx

Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx

13:46:03 <EricStephan> Conceptually I can represent all protocols in a URI

Eric Stephan: Conceptually I can represent all protocols in a URI

13:46:16 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:46:26 <antoine> q-

Antoine Isaac: q-

13:46:39 <yaso_> Steve: i would like to propose an agenda: that everybody works on ideas to our scope based on what they see and what they don't see in the uc

Steven Adler: i would like to propose an agenda: that everybody works on ideas to our scope based on what they see and what they don't see in the uc

13:46:40 <Zakim> + +3858844aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +3858844aacc

13:46:55 <antoine> Steve++

Antoine Isaac: Steve++

13:47:01 <Makx> zakim aacc is me

Makx Dekkers: zakim aacc is me

13:47:03 <yaso_> Steve: we should discuss what's on the scope

Steven Adler: we should discuss what's on the scope

13:47:25 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:47:44 <yaso_> Phil: I think we shoul put the UC on the scope

Phil Archer: I think we shoul put the UC on the scope

13:48:10 <Vagner_Br> q+

Vagner Diniz: q+

13:48:12 <yaso_> Phil: the UC in my mind are the scope. The UC are our tool to define the scope

Phil Archer: the UC in my mind are the scope. The UC are our tool to define the scope

13:48:28 <yaso_> Phil: we can look at the UC that we have and then decide

Phil Archer: we can look at the UC that we have and then decide

13:48:30 <cgueret> +1 to Phil

Christophe Gueret: +1 to Phil

13:48:41 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1

13:48:53 <yaso_> Phil: we have the growing page of UC with Bernadette and DeirdreeLee are working

Phil Archer: we have the growing page of UC with Bernadette and DeirdreeLee are working

13:48:56 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:48:57 <yaso_> +1 to Phil

+1 to Phil

13:49:31 <yaso_> Hadley: we need to think that we are a W3C Wg

Hadley Beeman: we need to think that we are a W3C Wg

13:49:39 <yaso_> dealing with standards

dealing with Web standards

13:49:49 <PhilA> s/standards/Web standards/
13:49:56 <dschwabe> UCs can provide positive evidence, but absence of a certain aspect in any use case doesn't mean it's not relevant for scope...

Daniel Schwabe: UCs can provide positive evidence, but absence of a certain aspect in any use case doesn't mean it's not relevant for scope...

13:50:14 <Caroline> thank you! :)

Caroline Burle: thank you! :)

13:50:30 <yaso_> Steve: I agree with Hadley, we are just exploring the issues

Steven Adler: I agree with Hadley, we are just exploring the issues

13:50:45 <yaso_> Steve: I think the 1st discusion in london should be around this issues

Steven Adler: I think the 1st discusion in london should be around this issues

13:51:14 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:51:19 <yaso_> Steve: i added some commom questions

Steven Adler: i added some commom questions

13:51:40 <yaso_> dschwabe: we can have a wiki page for that?

Daniel Schwabe: we can have a wiki page for that?

13:51:43 <PhilA> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases Use Cases page

Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Use_Cases Use Cases page

13:51:53 <yaso_> Steve: we haven't fill the UC table

Steven Adler: we haven't fill the UC table

13:52:13 <yaso_> Steve: I'm not sure about the difference of the UC table and the UC stories

Steven Adler: I'm not sure about the difference of the UC table and the UC stories

13:52:21 <EricStephan> Great idea!

Eric Stephan: Great idea!

13:52:26 <EricStephan> Yes

Eric Stephan: Yes

13:52:29 <gatemezi> yes

Ghislain Atemezing: yes

13:52:30 <yaso_> Steve: if you have an ideia of scope, please provide some UC

Steven Adler: if you have an ideaof scope, please provide some UC

13:52:31 <cgueret> yes

Christophe Gueret: yes

13:52:32 <Caroline> Yes!

Caroline Burle: Yes!

13:52:50 <Caroline> s/ideia /idea
13:52:53 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

13:52:54 <EricStephan> Yes I've looked at the questions

Eric Stephan: Yes I've looked at the questions

13:52:56 <PhilA> q- HadleyBeeman

Phil Archer: q- HadleyBeeman

13:53:00 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

13:53:00 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

13:53:01 <Makx> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

13:53:01 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:53:01 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

13:53:06 <PhilA> ack Vagner_Br

Phil Archer: ack Vagner_Br

13:53:24 <yaso_> Vagner: I like the idea to discuss issues around the UC, specially this questions

Vagner Diniz: I like the idea to discuss issues around the UC, specially this questions

13:53:57 <EricStephan> Can we add questions to this use case list?

Eric Stephan: Can we add questions to this use case list?

13:54:07 <yaso_> Vagner_Br: but usually this F2F are an opportunnity to go further

Vagner Diniz: but usually this F2F are an opportunnity to go further

13:54:13 <Bernadette_Loscio> yes Eric!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Eric!

13:54:26 <EricStephan> Thank you Bernadette

Eric Stephan: Thank you Bernadette

13:54:27 <Caroline> +1 to Vagner's idea

Caroline Burle: +1 to Vagner's idea

13:54:32 <yaso_> Vagner_Br: we can have to time to work more on the deliverables that we have to work

Vagner Diniz: we can have to time to work more on the deliverables that we have to work

13:54:48 <antoine> -1

Antoine Isaac: -1

13:54:52 <gatemezi> Do we already know all the editors here ?

Ghislain Atemezing: Do we already know all the editors here ?

13:55:18 <yaso_> Vagner_Br: my expectation is to know better the editor's work and this WG work

Vagner Diniz: my expectation is to know better the editor's work and this WG work

13:55:29 <dschwabe> +1 to Vagner

Daniel Schwabe: +1 to Vagner

13:55:38 <Bernadette_Loscio> +1 to Vagner

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to Vagner

13:55:54 <Caroline> Zakim, who is speaking

Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is speaking

13:55:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is speaking', Caroline

13:56:01 <Caroline> Zakim, who is talking

Caroline Burle: Zakim, who is talking

13:56:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', Caroline

13:56:13 <Caroline> Zakim, who's talking

Caroline Burle: Zakim, who's talking

13:56:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's talking', Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who's talking', Caroline

13:56:19 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is making noise?

13:56:29 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Laufer (4%), Steve (75%), deirdrelee (43%)

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Laufer (4%), Steve (75%), deirdrelee (43%)

13:56:35 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:56:47 <yaso_> Phil: I'm gonna contribute to the UC

Phil Archer: I'm gonna contribute to the UC

13:56:58 <Zakim> -gatemezi

Zakim IRC Bot: -gatemezi

13:57:21 <yaso_> Phil: if people don't know about web standards we need to tell them

Phil Archer: if people don't know about web standards we need to tell them

13:58:03 <Caroline> ...my big worry is that if we spend our time and effort thinking about what for some people are small steps, people who already know that will walk away

Caroline Burle: ...my big worry is that if we spend our time and effort thinking about what for some people are small steps, people who already know that will walk away

13:58:10 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to that, PhilA

Hadley Beeman: +1 to that, PhilA

13:58:14 <antoine> q?

Antoine Isaac: q?

13:58:16 <Bernadette_Loscio> we need to have different levels... our public will be very heterogeneous

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need to have different levels... our public will be very heterogeneous

13:58:27 <adler1> ack deidrelee

Steven Adler: ack deidrelee

13:58:38 <EricStephan> +1 PhilA

Eric Stephan: +1 PhilA

13:58:48 <yaso_> Phil: for the F2F, by the end of the meeting, Bernadette and DeirdreeLee can send out our first deliverable

Phil Archer: for the F2F, by the end of the meeting, Bernadette and DeirdreeLee can send out our first deliverable

13:58:50 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1

13:59:00 <antoine> But I'm worried by the timing

Antoine Isaac: But I'm worried by the timing

13:59:04 <PhilA> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

13:59:08 <HadleyBeeman> I like that phrasing, Steve.

Hadley Beeman: I like that phrasing, Steve.

13:59:24 <Caroline> Zakim, unmute deirdrelee

Caroline Burle: Zakim, unmute deirdrelee

13:59:24 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, Caroline

13:59:27 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:59:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe (muted), cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio (muted), CarlosIglesias,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe (muted), cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio (muted), CarlosIglesias,

13:59:31 <Zakim> ... +3858844aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +3858844aacc

13:59:31 <Zakim> yaso has Vagner_Br

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Vagner_Br

13:59:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vinh, newton_, yaso_, gatemezi, Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vinh, newton_, yaso_, gatemezi, Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Makx, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio,

13:59:31 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... RRSAgent, dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

13:59:37 <PhilA> zakim, unmute Bernadette_Loscio

Phil Archer: zakim, unmute Bernadette_Loscio

13:59:37 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio should no longer be muted

13:59:40 <yaso_> q?

q?

13:59:46 <Bernadette_Loscio> +q

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q

13:59:54 <PhilA> zakim, unmute cgueret

Phil Archer: zakim, unmute cgueret

13:59:55 <Zakim> cgueret should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should no longer be muted

14:00:10 <MTCarrasco> Call restricted

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Call restricted

14:00:14 <dschwabe> zakim, unmute me

Daniel Schwabe: zakim, unmute me

14:00:14 <Zakim> dschwabe should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should no longer be muted

14:00:15 <PhilA> zakim, unmute dschwabe

Phil Archer: zakim, unmute dschwabe

14:00:16 <Zakim> dschwabe was not muted, PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe was not muted, PhilA

14:00:21 <cgueret> \o/

Christophe Gueret: \o/

14:00:31 <HadleyBeeman> sorry, MT carrasco - we've gone past our allotted time, so Zakim won't let you in. :(

Hadley Beeman: sorry, MT carrasco - we've gone past our allotted time, so Zakim won't let you in. :(

14:00:32 <yaso_> There's too much ecco

There's too much ecco

14:00:33 <dschwabe> zakim, mute me

Daniel Schwabe: zakim, mute me

14:00:33 <Zakim> dschwabe should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should now be muted

14:00:37 <cgueret> zakim, mute me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me

14:00:37 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted

14:00:48 <HadleyBeeman> s/MT carrrasco/mtcarrasco

Hadley Beeman: s/MT carrrasco/mtcarrasco (warning: replacement failed)

14:00:49 <Makx> -q

Makx Dekkers: -q

14:00:51 <PhilA> zakim, mute Bernadette_Loscio

Phil Archer: zakim, mute Bernadette_Loscio

14:00:51 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio should now be muted

14:01:01 <PhilA> ack antoine

Phil Archer: ack antoine

14:01:02 <yaso_> q?

q?

14:01:14 <Makx> sorry, have leave

Makx Dekkers: sorry, have leave

14:01:31 <Makx> other meeting startong

Makx Dekkers: other meeting startong

14:01:47 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q?

14:01:56 <Zakim> - +3858844aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +3858844aacc

14:02:16 <Bernadette_Loscio> yes Deirdre! great!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Deirdre! great!

14:02:21 <yaso_> Steve: we should continue to discuss it by email

Steven Adler: we should continue to discuss it by email

14:02:23 <PhilA> ack Bernadette_Loscio

Phil Archer: ack Bernadette_Loscio

14:02:27 <EricStephan> Very good about carrying conversations forward in email

Eric Stephan: Very good about carrying conversations forward in email

14:02:36 <deirdrelee> stories are specific, use-cases are more general. the questions steve added are more applicaple to stories i think

Deirdre Lee: stories are specific, use-cases are more general. the questions steve added are more applicaple to stories i think

14:02:40 <dschwabe> I've already added the Scope section to the Use Cases page. But I'm not sure that's the best place to put it...

Daniel Schwabe: I've already added the Scope section to the Use Cases page. But I'm not sure that's the best place to put it...

14:02:43 <Bernadette_Loscio> unmute

Bernadette Farias Loscio: unmute

14:02:50 <Bernadette_Loscio> zakim, unmte

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmte

14:02:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmte', Bernadette_Loscio

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmte', Bernadette_Loscio

14:02:51 <PhilA> zakim, unmute Bernadette_Loscio

Phil Archer: zakim, unmute Bernadette_Loscio

14:02:52 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio was not muted, PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio was not muted, PhilA

14:02:57 <Caroline> Zakim, unmute Bernadette

Caroline Burle: Zakim, unmute Bernadette

14:02:57 <Zakim> Bernadette_Loscio was not muted, Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: Bernadette_Loscio was not muted, Caroline

14:02:57 <HadleyBeeman> @dschwabe: that's great for now.  We can always move it later!

Hadley Beeman: @dschwabe: that's great for now. We can always move it later!

14:03:04 <Bernadette_Loscio> ok...

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok...

14:03:04 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

14:03:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe (muted), cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio, CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Laufer, PhilA, Steve, Ivan, deirdrelee, ericstephan, dschwabe (muted), cgueret (muted), yaso, antoine, HadleyBeeman, Bernadette_Loscio, CarlosIglesias

14:03:07 <Bernadette_Loscio> im having problems

Bernadette Farias Loscio: im having problems

14:03:07 <Zakim> yaso has Vagner_Br

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Vagner_Br

14:03:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vinh, newton_, yaso_, gatemezi, Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vinh, newton_, yaso_, gatemezi, Vagner_Br, HadleyBeeman, Caroline, nathalia, antoine, EricStephan, deirdrelee, cgueret, CarlosIglesias, Bernadette_Loscio, RRSAgent,

14:03:07 <Zakim> ... dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... dschwabe, Zakim, adler1, PhilA, Laufer, ivan, sandro, trackbot

14:03:08 <deirdrelee> +1 to have first draft of use-case doc after F2F

Deirdre Lee: +1 to have first draft of use-case doc after F2F

14:03:09 <EricStephan> +1 Deirdrelee this discussion has changed what I'll emphasize

Eric Stephan: +1 Deirdrelee this discussion has changed what I'll emphasize

14:03:18 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q?

14:03:21 <yaso_> +1 to have first draft of use-case doc after F2F

+1 to have first draft of use-case doc after F2F

14:03:32 <yaso_> Steve: no one is the speaker q

Steven Adler: no one is the speaker q

14:03:39 <yaso_> Steve: can we close the meeting?

Steven Adler: can we close the meeting?

14:03:42 <Bernadette_Loscio> the first draft will depend from the stories that we have

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the first draft will depend from the stories that we have

14:03:42 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

14:03:53 <gatemezi> I don't see the difference between the scope and the Use-case elements

Ghislain Atemezing: I don't see the difference between the scope and the Use-case elements

14:03:57 <yaso_> Steve: I really would love to continue but we have to finish

Steven Adler: I really would love to continue but we have to finish

14:04:10 <Bernadette_Loscio> we need more stories :)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need more stories :)

14:04:13 <HadleyBeeman> gatemezi:  I think that will become clearer as we go.  Let's just start with lots of ideas, and then we can sort them.

Ghislain Atemezing: I think that will become clearer as we go. Let's just start with lots of ideas, and then we can sort them. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

14:04:14 <gatemezi> ...that we have in the wiki page ..

Ghislain Atemezing: ...that we have in the wiki page ..

14:04:20 <Caroline> q+

Caroline Burle: q+

14:04:21 <adler1> we need more stories

Steven Adler: we need more stories

14:04:21 <dschwabe> I think the scope section should be up front, and refer to the UCs

Daniel Schwabe: I think the scope section should be up front, and refer to the UCs

14:04:22 <yaso_> Steve: I would love to see more ideas coming by email

Steven Adler: I would love to see more ideas coming by email

14:04:28 <gatemezi> ok @hadleybeeman

Ghislain Atemezing: ok @hadleybeeman

14:04:33 <adler1> I will send more via email and on the wiki

Steven Adler: I will send more via email and on the wiki

14:04:40 <ivan> PHILLLL

Ivan Herman: PHILLLL

14:04:43 <ivan> it is in a week

Ivan Herman: it is in a week

14:04:47 <Bernadette_Loscio> @gatemezi, deirdre wiln send a msg explain this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: @gatemezi, deirdre wiln send a msg explain this

14:04:50 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

14:04:50 <Zakim> Ivan was not muted, ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan was not muted, ivan

14:05:02 <yaso_> Phil: we are about to change our meeting's time

Phil Archer: we are about to change our meeting's time

14:05:05 <EricStephan> +1 to meeting at 6am instead of 5am

Eric Stephan: +1 to meeting at 6am instead of 5am

14:05:13 <EricStephan> or an hour later

Eric Stephan: or an hour later

14:05:19 <EricStephan> :-) Hadley

Eric Stephan: :-) Hadley

14:05:49 <Caroline> Zakim, mute dschwabe

Caroline Burle: Zakim, mute dschwabe

14:05:49 <Zakim> dschwabe was already muted, Caroline

Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe was already muted, Caroline

14:05:49 <yaso_> Caroline_: would be nice to not follow the US time

Caroline Burle: would be nice to not follow the US time

14:05:51 <HadleyBeeman> Thank you, yaso_ for scribing!  Thanks, adler1, for chairing!

Hadley Beeman: Thank you, yaso_ for scribing! Thanks, adler1, for chairing!

14:05:51 <Bernadette_Loscio> ok ;)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok ;)

14:05:53 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

14:05:57 <cgueret> thx

Christophe Gueret: thx

14:05:59 <cgueret> bye!

Christophe Gueret: bye!

14:06:00 <CarlosIglesias> bye!

Carlos Iglesias: bye!

14:06:00 <Bernadette_Loscio> thank you!!!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thank you!!!

14:06:01 <Zakim> -dschwabe

Zakim IRC Bot: -dschwabe

14:06:01 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

14:06:02 <Zakim> -ericstephan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan

14:06:13 <yaso_> Thank Steve for chairing :-)

Thank Steve for chairing :-)

14:06:22 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias

14:06:23 <yaso_> @hadley :-)

@hadley :-)

14:06:23 <nathalia> Agree with Caroline about the time

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: Agree with Caroline about the time

14:06:30 <dschwabe> quit

Daniel Schwabe: quit

14:06:38 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28 Today's minutes

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28 Today's minutes

14:06:40 <nathalia> bye

Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye

14:06:42 <Bernadette_Loscio> bye!!!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: bye!!!

14:06:45 <yaso_> Bye

Bye

14:06:46 <Zakim> -Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steve

14:06:47 <dschwabe> bye

Daniel Schwabe: bye

14:06:47 <adler1> good call

Steven Adler: good call

14:06:47 <Zakim> -yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: -yaso

14:06:49 <Zakim> -antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine

14:06:49 <Zakim> -PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA

14:06:52 <Zakim> -Laufer

Zakim IRC Bot: -Laufer

14:06:59 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee

14:07:13 <adler1> what do we type to generate minutes?

Steven Adler: what do we type to generate minutes?

14:07:29 <PhilA> It's automatic, it's done http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28

Phil Archer: It's automatic, it's done http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28

14:08:07 <adler1> its all red boxes

Steven Adler: its all red boxes

14:08:12 <Laufer> quit

Carlos Laufer: quit

14:08:21 <PhilA> It won't be adler1, I;ll fix it

Phil Archer: It won't be adler1, I;ll fix it

14:08:27 <PhilA> And show you how in London

Phil Archer: And show you how in London

14:08:35 <adler1> thank you :)

Steven Adler: thank you :)

17:05:28 <Zakim> -Bernadette_Loscio

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Bernadette_Loscio

17:10:28 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, cgueret, in DATA_DWBP()8:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, cgueret, in DATA_DWBP()8:00AM

17:10:30 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()8:00AM has ended

17:10:30 <Zakim> Attendees were +55213527aaaa, Steve, PhilA, Ivan, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret, deirdrelee, antoine, Nathalia, HadleyBeeman, Vagner, Caroline, Vagner_Br, Laufer, yaso,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +55213527aaaa, Steve, PhilA, Ivan, ericstephan, dschwabe, cgueret, deirdrelee, antoine, Nathalia, HadleyBeeman, Vagner, Caroline, Vagner_Br, Laufer, yaso,

17:10:31 <Zakim> ... +212.67.87.aabb, Bernadette_Loscio, CarlosIglesias, Makx, gatemezi, +3858844aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +212.67.87.aabb, Bernadette_Loscio, CarlosIglesias, Makx, gatemezi, +3858844aacc



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