Meeting Record

Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 16 November 2015

Agenda

http://www.w3.org/mid/848F4133-0785-47B0-82FF-22B975F84A75@gmail.com

Present

Ivan Herman, Dave Cramer, Markus Gylling, Charles LaPierre, Bill Kasdorf, Unknown Peter, Peter Krautzberger, Karen Myers, Luc Audrain, Unknown Tim_Cole, Paul Belfanti, Paul Belfanti

Chair

Markus Gylling

Scribe

Unknown NickRuffilo

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

Vote passed for publishing working draft of CFC for DPUB AAM upon change of typos/copy-paste issues link

Topics

call next week?
Reminder: volunteers needed for CSS examples
CFC for DPUB AAM
CFC for DPUB AAM
PWP

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15:11:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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15:11:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

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15:11:56 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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15:11:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

15:11:57 <trackbot> Date: 16 November 2015

15:12:20 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/848F4133-0785-47B0-82FF-22B975F84A75@gmail.com

15:59:24 <ivan> Present+ Ivan

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Ivan Herman: Present+ Ivan ←

15:59:34 <NickRuffilo> What's the meeting password?

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Unknown NickRuffilo: What's the meeting password? ←

15:59:36 <dauwhe> Present+ Dave_Cramer

Dave Cramer: Present+ Dave_Cramer ←

15:59:42 <dauwhe> dpig

Dave Cramer: dpig ←

15:59:43 <nickbarreto> dpig

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Unknown nickbarreto: dpig ←

15:59:44 <mgylling> Present+ Markus

Markus Gylling: Present+ Markus ←

15:59:46 <clapierre1> Present+ Charles_LaPierre

Charles LaPierre: Present+ Charles_LaPierre ←

15:59:48 <NickRuffilo> oink!

Unknown NickRuffilo: oink! ←

15:59:54 <ivan> Regrets+ Tzviya

Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Tzviya ←

15:59:59 <ivan> Chair: Markus

16:00:03 <nickbarreto> present + nickbarreto

Unknown nickbarreto: present + nickbarreto ←

16:00:32 <Bill_Kasdorf> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf

Bill Kasdorf: Present+ Bill_Kasdorf ←

16:00:39 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←

16:00:39 <Zakim> Present: Ivan, Dave_Cramer, Markus, Charles_LaPierre, Bill_Kasdorf

16:00:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, NickRuffilo, pkra, jeff_xu, clapierre1, nickbarreto, mgylling, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, ivan, Karen, hober, sam, rego, Guest, liam,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, NickRuffilo, pkra, jeff_xu, clapierre1, nickbarreto, mgylling, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, ivan, Karen, hober, sam, rego, Guest, liam, ←

16:00:41 <Zakim> ... shepazu, leaverou_away, nikos, iank, JakeA, astearns, plinss, bigbluehat, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... shepazu, leaverou_away, nikos, iank, JakeA, astearns, plinss, bigbluehat, trackbot ←

16:01:05 <NickRuffilo> scribenick: NickRuffilo

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(Scribe set to Unknown NickRuffilo)

16:01:22 <NickRuffilo> I don't know why people don't do it, it's so fun!

I don't know why people don't do it, it's so fun! ←

16:01:51 <pkra> Present+ Peter Krautzberger

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Unknown pkra: Present+ Peter Krautzberger ←

16:01:54 <NickRuffilo> it's like reliving "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" with "Can you descramble that accent & acronym"

it's like reliving "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" with "Can you descramble that accent & acronym" ←

16:02:33 <laudrain> Luc +Present

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Unknown laudrain: Luc +Present ←

16:02:38 <Karen> present+ Karen

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Unknown Karen: present+ Karen ←

16:02:51 <laudrain> present+ Luc

Unknown laudrain: present+ Luc ←

16:02:56 <TimCole> present+ Tim_Cole

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Unknown TimCole: present+ Tim_Cole ←

16:03:01 <pbelfanti> present+ Paul Belfanti

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Unknown pbelfanti: present+ Paul Belfanti ←

16:03:33 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/2015/11/09-DPUB-minutes.html

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/2015/11/09-DPUB-minutes.html ←

16:03:47 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Minutes from last week?  Comments or objections, voice them now."

Markus Gylling: "Minutes from last week? Comments or objections, voice them now." ←

16:04:13 <ivan> Topic: call next week?

1. call next week?

16:04:18 <clapierre1> -1

Charles LaPierre: -1 ←

16:04:23 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←

16:04:23 <Zakim> Present: Ivan, Dave_Cramer, Markus, Charles_LaPierre, Bill_Kasdorf, Peter, Krautzberger, Karen, Luc, Tim_Cole, Paul, Belfanti

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16:04:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see pbelfanti, laudrain, TimCole, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, NickRuffilo, pkra, jeff_xu, clapierre1, nickbarreto, mgylling, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, ivan, Karen,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pbelfanti, laudrain, TimCole, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, NickRuffilo, pkra, jeff_xu, clapierre1, nickbarreto, mgylling, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, ivan, Karen, ←

16:04:26 <Zakim> ... hober, sam, rego, Guest, liam, shepazu, leaverou_away, nikos, iank, JakeA, astearns, plinss, bigbluehat, trackbot

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16:04:30 <dauwhe> +1

Dave Cramer: +1 ←

16:04:58 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Approved.  Next up.  New agenda item.  Next week is 'Thanksgiving' in the US.  Should we have a meeting?"

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...: "Approved. Next up. New agenda item. Next week is 'Thanksgiving' in the US. Should we have a meeting?" ←

16:04:58 <jeff_xu> +1

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Unknown jeff_xu: +1 ←

16:05:12 <clapierre1> +1 changed my mind :)  forgot I will be here on monday :)

Charles LaPierre: +1 changed my mind :) forgot I will be here on monday :) ←

16:05:31 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Ok - meeting next week!"

...: "Ok - meeting next week!" ←

16:05:44 <mgylling> topic: Reminder: volunteers needed for CSS examples

2. Reminder: volunteers needed for CSS examples

16:06:35 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Don't know how many were here last week - but we're repeating the message.  We are trying to kick off a new CSS group collecting detailed elaborations on CSS topics."

...: "Don't know how many were here last week - but we're repeating the message. We are trying to kick off a new CSS group collecting detailed elaborations on CSS topics." ←

16:06:39 <ivan> present+ nick_barreto

Ivan Herman: present+ nick_barreto ←

16:06:45 <astearns> present+ astearns

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Unknown astearns: present+ astearns ←

16:07:02 <jeff_xu> count me in

Unknown jeff_xu: count me in ←

16:07:06 <NickRuffilo> ...: "We need bitmaps for explanations of layouts."

...: "We need bitmaps for explanations of layouts." ←

16:07:19 <NickRuffilo> Dave: "Such as complex layouts, with decimals, and different information in different rows."

Dave Cramer: "Such as complex table layouts, with decimals, and different information in different rows." ←

16:07:33 <astearns> s/complex layouts/complex table layouts/

16:07:47 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "We said we'd start on table alignment.  But are there are layout topics that concern you more, you can work on that as well."

Markus Gylling: "We said we'd start on table alignment. But are there are layout topics that concern you more, you can work on that as well." ←

16:07:52 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:07:56 <mgylling> topic: CFC for DPUB AAM

3. CFC for DPUB AAM

16:07:59 <NickRuffilo> q+

q+ ←

16:08:14 <mgylling> ack nick

Markus Gylling: ack nick ←

16:09:03 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "There is no end date, so it's an endless pit of potential work.  But we need to be careful to finish one item at a time.  Such as table decimal alignment."

Markus Gylling: "There is no end date, so it's an endless pit of potential work. But we need to be careful to finish one item at a time. Such as table decimal alignment." ←

16:09:17 <NickRuffilo> Nick: "I want to help out, but cannot right now."

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Unknown Nick: "I want to help out, but cannot right now." ←

16:09:29 <pbelfanti> q+

Paul Belfanti: q+ ←

16:09:33 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "If you have people in your organization who would be interested in working on this, let us know."

Markus Gylling: "If you have people in your organization who would be interested in working on this, let us know." ←

16:09:34 <mgylling> ack paulb

Markus Gylling: ack paulb ←

16:09:50 <NickRuffilo> Paul: "Pearson should be able to provide some samples."

Paul Belfanti: "Pearson should be able to provide some samples." ←

16:09:55 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Is there a contact person?"

Markus Gylling: "Is there a contact person?" ←

16:10:01 <NickRuffilo> Paul: "I will reach out and follow up."

Paul Belfanti: "I will reach out and follow up." ←

16:10:25 <NickRuffilo> Dave: "I'm happy as pearson is the motherload of such tables."

Dave Cramer: "I'm happy as pearson is the motherload of such tables." ←

16:10:37 <ivan> topic: CFC for DPUB AAM

4. CFC for DPUB AAM

16:11:31 <mgylling> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/dc8a9400ccd15b67e6660d48279aa5cc09cc527e/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html

Markus Gylling: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/dc8a9400ccd15b67e6660d48279aa5cc09cc527e/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html ←

16:11:40 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "CFC/DPUB/AAM.  Consensus to go ahead with 2nd working draft of the epub ARIA roles.  That's moving along.  ARIA group has been made aware.  They're doing their own stuff now.  It'll soon be live on w3.org.  This doc has a companion which is the DPUB AAM.  Which has the accessibility module.

Markus Gylling: "CFC/DPUB/AAM. Consensus to go ahead with 2nd working draft of the epub ARIA roles. That's moving along. ARIA group has been made aware. They're doing their own stuff now. It'll soon be live on w3.org. This doc has a companion which is the DPUB AAM. Which has the accessibility module. ←

16:12:47 <NickRuffilo> ...: "This is a map of how the various roles should map to different platforms.  The linked document is the last version of it.  It has been authored by Rich Shortfinger of IBM.  It wasn't available publicly before, what we're hoping to do is publish it in a first public working draft state - next to the main role document."

...: "This is a map of how the various roles should map to different platforms. The linked document is the last version of it. It has been authored by Rich Shortfinger of IBM. It wasn't available publicly before, what we're hoping to do is publish it in a first public working draft state - next to the main role document." ←

16:13:47 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Some of you have followed it's development.  Some of you have not.  What we need to do, as requested from the ARIA group, is to make a call for concensus and moving ahead with the first public working draft of this.  My question to all is : 'if - perhaps ivan - should we do an email CFC or a vote here?'"

...: "Some of you have followed it's development. Some of you have not. What we need to do, as requested from the ARIA group, is to make a call for concensus and moving ahead with the first public working draft of this. My question to all is : 'if - perhaps ivan - should we do an email CFC or a vote here?'" ←

16:14:29 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "Formally speaking we are free to choose what we feel is OK - as it is not published by this interest group.  It's published from the ARIA working group.  If we record a resolution on this call, that's fine."

Ivan Herman: "Formally speaking we are free to choose what we feel is OK - as it is not published by this interest group. It's published from the ARIA working group. If we record a resolution on this call, that's fine." ←

16:14:41 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1 ←

16:14:44 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Please +1 or -1 or 0 if abstain."

Markus Gylling: "Please +1 or -1 or 0 if abstain." ←

16:14:44 <mgylling> +1

Markus Gylling: +1 ←

16:14:45 <NickRuffilo> +1

+1 ←

16:14:47 <clapierre1> q+

Charles LaPierre: q+ ←

16:14:47 <dauwhe> +1. Publish early and often

Dave Cramer: +1. Publish early and often ←

16:14:47 <pkra> why does it say SVG in many places?

Peter Krautzberger: why does it say SVG in many places? ←

16:14:54 <laudrain> +0

Luc Audrain: +0 ←

16:14:55 <pkra> +q

Peter Krautzberger: +q ←

16:14:56 <pkra> q+

Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←

16:15:00 <mgylling> ack paulb

Markus Gylling: ack paulb ←

16:15:12 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1

Bill Kasdorf: +1 ←

16:15:12 <mgylling> ack cla

Markus Gylling: ack cla ←

16:15:37 <NickRuffilo> Charles: "We decided instead of DPUB- it's now 'DOC-'?  Was there consesus on that?"

Charles LaPierre: "We decided instead of DPUB- it's now 'DOC-'? Was there consesus on that?" ←

16:15:39 <mgylling> ack pkra

Markus Gylling: ack pkra ←

16:15:41 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Yes."

Markus Gylling: "Yes." ←

16:15:41 <clapierre1> +1

Charles LaPierre: +1 ←

16:16:11 <NickRuffilo> Peter: "There are some typos.  There's an SVG-AAM...  Can we please typo/copy-paste check."

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Unknown Peter: "There are some typos. There's an SVG-AAM... Can we please typo/copy-paste check." ←

16:16:23 <pkra> +1 anyway

Peter Krautzberger: +1 anyway ←

16:16:35 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "I'll take the action item to send those copy/paste issues to Rich."

Markus Gylling: "I'll take the action item to send those copy/paste issues to Rich." ←

16:17:05 <pbelfanti> +1

Paul Belfanti: +1 ←

16:17:08 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:17:14 <mgylling> ack pbel

Markus Gylling: ack pbel ←

16:17:15 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Any other questions or comments?"

Markus Gylling: "Any other questions or comments?" ←

16:17:40 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "OK - the vote is passed - consensus on CFC for DPUB AAM

Markus Gylling: "OK - the vote is passed - consensus on CFC for DPUB AAM ←

16:18:12 <jeff_xu> thnx

Unknown jeff_xu: thnx ←

16:18:34 <NickRuffilo> resolved: Vote passed for publishing working draft of CFC for DPUB AAM upon change of typos/copy-paste issues

RESOLVED: Vote passed for publishing working draft of CFC for DPUB AAM upon change of typos/copy-paste issues ←

16:18:47 <mgylling> topic: PWP

5. PWP

16:18:48 <mgylling>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-pwp-20151015/

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-pwp-20151015/ ←

16:19:14 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Ivan, in order to get people on the same page, can you do a brief update on the changes to the document over the last month?"

Markus Gylling: "Ivan, in order to get people on the same page, can you do a brief update on the changes to the document over the last month?" ←

16:19:28 <ivan> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/post-2015-tpac/index.html

Ivan Herman: https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/post-2015-tpac/index.html ←

16:20:11 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "The version you put was the officially published one.  The one I just posted is the GIT unpublished branch."

Ivan Herman: "The version you put was the officially published one. The one I just posted is the GIT unpublished branch." ←

16:21:03 <NickRuffilo> ...: "What I did was look at the discussion from TPAC and bring back the results there.  there are some minor points that made.  There were some issues noted with service workers and issues accessing local files - which may or may not be a problem later, but it needed to be recorded later."

...: "What I did was look at the discussion from TPAC and bring back the results there. there are some minor points that made. There were some issues noted with service workers and issues accessing local files - which may or may not be a problem later, but it needed to be recorded later." ←

16:21:55 <NickRuffilo> ...: "another thing is that it's pretty clear that the manifest is something we'll have to deal with for metadata or identifier, although that was already part of the document.  I reinforced that a bit.  It's really made for web applications, but at least we can base what we're doing on it."

...: "another thing is that it's pretty clear that the manifest is something we'll have to deal with for metadata or identifier, although that was already part of the document. I reinforced that a bit. It's really made for web applications, but at least we can base what we're doing on it." ←

16:22:00 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:22:17 <ivan> http://w3c.github.io/dpub/f2f-2015-identifiers/index.html : Ivan's slides for Sapporo in identifiers

Ivan Herman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub/f2f-2015-identifiers/index.html : Ivan's slides for Sapporo in identifiers ←

16:22:22 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Who those who were not in Sapporo, we had a discussion on identifiers.  Let me put the pointers in chat."

...: "Who those who were not in Sapporo, we had a discussion on identifiers. Let me put the pointers in chat." ←

16:22:35 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/29-dpub-minutes.html#item02 : discussion minutes

Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2015/10/29-dpub-minutes.html#item02 : discussion minutes ←

16:23:32 <NickRuffilo> ...: "The discussion minutes are there - so I tried to extract the most important parts.  The most important part - as we go a long way in describing all the issues, the question is 'what is the URI of Shakespeare's hamlet, VS my personal copy of Hamlet.  As the discussion goes, it's something we have to simply keep away from once and for all."

...: "The discussion minutes are there - so I tried to extract the most important parts. The most important part - as we go a long way in describing all the issues, the question is 'what is the URI of Shakespeare's hamlet, VS my personal copy of Hamlet. As the discussion goes, it's something we have to simply keep away from once and for all." ←

16:23:48 <brady_duga> present+ duga

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16:24:01 <NickRuffilo> ...: "There were some similar issues with the semantic web work that caused issues."

...: "There were some similar issues with the semantic web work that caused issues." ←

16:24:15 <NickRuffilo> IVAN YOU ARE BREAKING UP, PLEASE REPEAT

IVAN YOU ARE BREAKING UP, PLEASE REPEAT ←

16:25:43 <NickRuffilo> ...: "We would need 2 identifiers in FTWP - A generic stable ID - and ISBN, DOI, etc.  It has to be stable and that's all.  Seperately, we need a URL - an http URI - and these 2 should go hand in hand.  If I make a copy for my own usage..."

...: "We would need 2 identifiers in FTWP - A generic stable ID - and ISBN, DOI, etc. It has to be stable and that's all. Seperately, we need a URL - an http URI - and these 2 should go hand in hand. If I make a copy for my own usage..." ←

16:26:53 <pkra> yep

Peter Krautzberger: yep ←

16:26:55 <NickRuffilo> I HEAR YOU can you hear US?

I HEAR YOU can you hear US? ←

16:26:57 <pkra> you can't hear us?

Peter Krautzberger: you can't hear us? ←

16:27:06 <Karen> we can hear you, Ivan

Karen Myers: we can hear you, Ivan ←

16:28:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←

16:28:11 <nickbarreto> "If a copy is made…" This is usually where you were cut off, Ivan

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Unknown nickbarreto: "If a copy is made…" This is usually where you were cut off, Ivan ←

16:28:25 <mgylling> q+

Markus Gylling: q+ ←

16:28:30 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "At some point in time we can add metadata.  I put the essentials of that in the document."

Ivan Herman: "At some point in time we can add metadata. I put the essentials of that in the document." ←

16:28:33 <mgylling> ack Bill_K

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←

16:28:50 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "Am I right that you have 1 and only one URL and then multiple URN?"

Bill Kasdorf: "Am I right that you have 1 and only one URL and then multiple URN?" ←

16:29:14 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "There is a URN that identifies the document, and a URL that identifies it on the web.  They can both be the same, but there are two concepts."

Ivan Herman: "There is a URN that identifies the document, and a URL that identifies it on the web. They can both be the same, but there are two concepts." ←

16:29:35 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "Can the spec allow more than one URN to associate with a document?  Publishers may need that..."

Bill Kasdorf: "Can the spec allow more than one URN to associate with a document? Publishers may need that..." ←

16:29:44 <mgylling> ack mgyl

Markus Gylling: ack mgyl ←

16:29:51 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "Sure, there could be more, but lets flag it for an issue as I don't have an answer for that now."

Ivan Herman: "Sure, there could be more, but lets flag it for an issue as I don't have an answer for that now." ←

16:30:06 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "The URL is required, but it could be 'only' that.  That's ok, correct?"

Markus Gylling: "The URL is required, but it could be 'only' that. That's ok, correct?" ←

16:30:19 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "The Identifier and the URL can be destinct. "

Ivan Herman: "The Identifier and the URL can be destinct. " ←

16:31:40 <Karen> +1 Hungarian cursing

Karen Myers: +1 Hungarian cursing ←

16:33:24 <NickRuffilo> ivan: "If a publication consists of many documents, is there a canonical way of accessing that.  Because it's on the web, each of those documents may have their own URL.  Some are on my domain, and some others...  "

Ivan Herman: "If a publication consists of many documents, is there a canonical way of accessing that. Because it's on the web, each of those documents may have their own URL. Some are on my domain, and some others... " ←

16:33:36 <pkra> I get "sped-up" voice from Ivan once he gets back, so  it sounds more like a webex / connection problem.

Peter Krautzberger: I get "sped-up" voice from Ivan once he gets back, so it sounds more like a webex / connection problem. ←

16:34:24 <mgylling> q+

Markus Gylling: q+ ←

16:34:29 <mgylling> ack mgyl

Markus Gylling: ack mgyl ←

16:35:15 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "In terms of referencing resources within the publication - we have the main URL - which serves as the ID of the whole thing.  Then we want to reference individual entities that live within the document.  In webapps it's called a "scope URL"..."

Markus Gylling: "In terms of referencing resources within the publication - we have the main URL - which serves as the ID of the whole thing. Then we want to reference individual entities that live within the document. In webapps it's called a "scope URL"..." ←

16:35:18 <mgylling> http://example/com/2/

Markus Gylling: http://example/com/2/ ←

16:35:40 <mgylling> http://example/com/2/index.html

Markus Gylling: http://example/com/2/index.html ←

16:36:00 <NickRuffilo> ...: "So everything is interpreted with the scope URL as the base..."

...: "So everything is interpreted with the scope URL as the base..." ←

16:36:26 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Is that all fine and dandy.  Not sure we can verbatim copy this URL notation, but is that the simpler way to identify that."

...: "Is that all fine and dandy. Not sure we can verbatim copy this URL notation, but is that the simpler way to identify that." ←

16:37:57 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "This is one of the options I listed.  The only problem we have is that if the document is physically on your domain, you need to understand the scope, otherwise how can you find it.  The other option we discussed was to have some sort of a mapping table that is part of the manifest.  So the publication always sees the resources with the scope URL as you call it.  The mapping has to be done

Ivan Herman: "This is one of the options I listed. The only problem we have is that if the document is physically on your domain, you need to understand the scope, otherwise how can you find it. The other option we discussed was to have some sort of a mapping table that is part of the manifest. So the publication always sees the resources with the scope URL as you call it. The mapping has to be done ←

16:37:57 <NickRuffilo> by the manifest, which means the scoping is done by the document."

by the manifest, which means the scoping is done by the document." ←

16:38:20 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "I realize I stepped over one question - which is in the document - if I dereference the cannonical URL (make an HTTP GET) what do I get back?"

Ivan Herman: "I realize I stepped over one question - which is in the document - if I dereference the cannonical URL (make an HTTP GET) what do I get back?" ←

16:39:21 <NickRuffilo> ...: "There are several answers that are not exclusive.  One is that what I get back is the manifest file with the right media type.  Or I get back an HTML file with a link element set to the manifest file.  Or I get back something and a link Header that leads to the manifest file.  The manifest file will represent the document as a whole.  In this approach, it has this kind of role instead.  "

...: "There are several answers that are not exclusive. One is that what I get back is the manifest file with the right media type. Or I get back an HTML file with a link element set to the manifest file. Or I get back something and a link Header that leads to the manifest file. The manifest file will represent the document as a whole. In this approach, it has this kind of role instead. " ←

16:40:32 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to this

Bill Kasdorf: +1 to this ←

16:40:59 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:41:29 <NickRuffilo> ...: "This means that the only way we use fragment identifiers is for the individual resources.  This allows us to use all the fragment identifiers that we've already pointed out.  These were the main points that we put into this document.  What I'd like is this: 1) Look at the document - the GITHUB version - and provide comments.  Once I've collected the comments, lets publish a new version.

...: "This means that the only way we use fragment identifiers is for the individual resources. This allows us to use all the fragment identifiers that we've already pointed out. These were the main points that we put into this document. What I'd like is this: 1) Look at the document - the GITHUB version - and provide comments. Once I've collected the comments, lets publish a new version. ←

16:41:29 <NickRuffilo> Publish often and publish alot, keep document up to date.  2) Question: IDPF work and how this relates to that..."

Publish often and publish alot, keep document up to date. 2) Question: IDPF work and how this relates to that..." ←

16:41:36 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:41:38 <TimCole> q+

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Unknown TimCole: q+ ←

16:41:39 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "#2 is a separate agenda item."

Markus Gylling: "#2 is a separate agenda item." ←

16:42:08 <mgylling> ack TimC

Markus Gylling: ack TimC ←

16:43:04 <NickRuffilo> Tim: "The issue of scope (or context) has come up in annotations in a different way.  Here we keep the URL's separate.  There is a special kind of selector.  If we're noting an image on site A or B, we note each URL to keep track."

Unknown Tim_Cole: "The issue of scope (or context) has come up in annotations in a different way. Here we keep the URL's separate. There is a special kind of selector. If we're noting an image on site A or B, we note each URL to keep track." ←

16:43:21 <NickRuffilo> ...: "I just want to make sure that was there in the current version."

...: "I just want to make sure that was there in the current version." ←

16:43:51 <pkra> not well, Ivan.

Peter Krautzberger: not well, Ivan. ←

16:44:08 <pkra> I can hear Ivan...

Peter Krautzberger: I can hear Ivan... ←

16:44:15 <pkra> this is very weird :)

Peter Krautzberger: this is very weird :) ←

16:44:21 <pkra> I'm closer?

Peter Krautzberger: I'm closer? ←

16:44:23 <pkra> ;-)

Peter Krautzberger: ;-) ←

16:44:24 <NickRuffilo> ...

... ←

16:44:34 <pkra> yes

Peter Krautzberger: yes ←

16:44:38 <laudrain> I have also big conneciton problems : is it in this part of Europe?

Luc Audrain: I have also big conneciton problems : is it in this part of Europe? ←

16:44:39 <pkra> yes please!

Peter Krautzberger: yes please! ←

16:46:21 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "What the annotation people do - is not use a fragment identifier directly, but make a combination of different needs.  I can use an xpath selector, then another selector for the end of the range.  It's not a URI, it's a structure in the JSON that is used for the annotation.  What I think is doable - and what the annotation group is working on.  That we should be able to express the same

Ivan Herman: "What the annotation people do - is not use a fragment identifier directly, but make a combination of different needs. I can use an xpath selector, then another selector for the end of the range. It's not a URI, it's a structure in the JSON that is used for the annotation. What I think is doable - and what the annotation group is working on. That we should be able to express the same ←

16:46:21 <NickRuffilo> thing with fragments as well

thing with fragments as well ←

16:47:49 <NickRuffilo> Tim: "What it does it allow you to talk about two different URLs - especially when one is contained in another.  Such as an image that is located in a different region that the page it's located in."

Unknown Tim_Cole: "What it does it allow you to talk about two different URLs - especially when one is contained in another. Such as an image that is located in a different region that the page it's located in." ←

16:48:11 <NickRuffilo> Tim: "The idea of putting the two URLs together does seem dicey."

Unknown Tim_Cole: "The idea of putting the two URLs together does seem dicey." ←

16:48:12 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:50:31 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Setting fragment identification aside for the moment - as it is a separate beast - I'm just thinking about PWP identity discussion from earlier.  Epub 3.1 revision is ongoing - until next autumn.  We hope to stop making changes to the draft.  One ambition with 3.1 is a future migration from EPUB 3 into PWP.  We want things to be more forward compatible with PWP.  The question is: should

Markus Gylling: "Setting fragment identification aside for the moment - as it is a separate beast - I'm just thinking about PWP identity discussion from earlier. Epub 3.1 revision is ongoing - until next autumn. We hope to stop making changes to the draft. One ambition with 3.1 is a future migration from EPUB 3 into PWP. We want things to be more forward compatible with PWP. The question is: should ←

16:50:32 <NickRuffilo> we ask DPUB to become an advisory entity for IDPF for potnetially making identifiers in EPUB?"

we ask DPUB to become an advisory entity for IDPF for potnetially making identifiers in EPUB?" ←

16:50:37 <NickRuffilo> q+

q+ ←

16:50:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←

16:50:44 <NickRuffilo> Ivan: "...."

Ivan Herman: "...." ←

16:50:50 <mgylling> ack Nick

Markus Gylling: ack Nick ←

16:51:09 <NickRuffilo> Nick: "What's the downside?"

Unknown Nick: "What's the downside?" ←

16:51:50 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "From IDPF there is no downside, they need it.  From DPUB perspective, the downside is that we're not entirely sure that the PWP outline is mature.  We may end up doing changes in epub that aren't what PWP uses.  "

Markus Gylling: "From IDPF there is no downside, they need it. From DPUB perspective, the downside is that we're not entirely sure that the PWP outline is mature. We may end up doing changes in epub that aren't what PWP uses. " ←

16:52:26 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:52:29 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Focusing on this in a practical implementation will help PWP as well.  So that is a good thing for PWP."

...: "Focusing on this in a practical implementation will help PWP as well. So that is a good thing for PWP." ←

16:52:31 <mgylling> ack Bill_K

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←

16:52:31 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+ ←

16:52:52 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "First, I'm on both groups and support this idea.  What does it constitute exactly?"

Bill Kasdorf: "First, I'm on both groups and support this idea. What does it constitute exactly?" ←

16:53:11 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "IDPF would reach out to DPUB and say: 'Help me DPUB-IG, you're my only hope.'"

Markus Gylling: "IDPF would reach out to DPUB and say: 'Help me DPUB-IG, you're my only hope.'" ←

16:53:34 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Then we'd provide our input.  We'd be a sub-group working on one particular issue."

...: "Then we'd provide our input. We'd be a sub-group working on one particular issue." ←

16:53:54 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "The issue is timing.  epub wouldn't be able to provide anything mature now, but being on both sides benefits both groups."

Bill Kasdorf: "The issue is timing. dpub wouldn't be able to provide anything mature now, but being on both sides benefits both groups." ←

16:54:13 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "The burning questino - in the scope of 12 months, could something become mature enough to put it in Epub 3.1?"

Markus Gylling: "The burning questino - in the scope of 12 months, could something become mature enough to put it in Epub 3.1?" ←

16:54:17 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:54:30 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "By formalizing the relationship, it would make it more likely to succeed."

Bill Kasdorf: "By formalizing the relationship, it would make it more likely to succeed." ←

16:54:34 <mgylling> ack ivan

Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←

16:54:47 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "We're committing to try."

Markus Gylling: "We're committing to try." ←

16:54:52 <pkra> He has been silenced...

Peter Krautzberger: He has been silenced... ←

16:55:13 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Due to technical issues, I think we'll end now."

Markus Gylling: "Due to technical issues, I think we'll end now." ←

16:55:33 <NickRuffilo> ...: "The IDPF and DPUB chairs will do some discussion and come back next week with a clearer picture."

...: "The IDPF and DPUB chairs will do some discussion and come back next week with a clearer picture." ←

16:55:51 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q? ←

16:55:52 <NickRuffilo> ...: "I've noted support for the idea, and we'll investigate further.  We'll have a firm approach for vetting next week."

...: "I've noted support for the idea, and we'll investigate further. We'll have a firm approach for vetting next week." ←

16:56:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/epub/dpub

16:56:16 <pkra> thx

Peter Krautzberger: thx ←

16:56:19 <NickRuffilo> ...: "OK, we're done for today, thank you"

...: "OK, we're done for today, thank you" ←

16:56:43 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes

Markus Gylling: rrsagent, make minutes ←

16:56:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/16-dpub-minutes.html mgylling

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16:57:09 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

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16:57:09 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←

16:57:09 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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16:57:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ivan, Dave_Cramer, Markus, Charles_LaPierre, Bill_Kasdorf, Peter, Krautzberger, Karen, Luc, Tim_Cole, Paul, Belfanti, nick_barreto,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Ivan, Dave_Cramer, Markus, Charles_LaPierre, Bill_Kasdorf, Peter, Krautzberger, Karen, Luc, Tim_Cole, Paul, Belfanti, nick_barreto, ←

16:57:13 <Zakim> ... astearns, duga

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16:57:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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