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Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←

Tzviya Siegman: agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0039.html ←

Markus Gylling: "Minutes URL has been posted from last week, are there any objections to approval?" ←

Unknown Noel: "I'm an ebook designer/developer for Hal Leonard. My role is to design and convert their entire catalog - 200,000 books to digital formats. Old archival images, to epub, or PDFs, mobis, alot of work in the trenches - sometimes in indesign, otherwise sublime text and our own stuff. Some audio/video and some interactive elements as well." ←

Ivan Herman: "I don't think you've officially joined, but this is your 'getting your feet wet meeting'" ←

Unknown Noel: "Starts from InDesign... We get things from txt files from editors, SVG/AI graphics, source audio files, photoshop documents... Main body is often PDF, InDesign, Quark, or any other page-layout application." ←

Ivan Herman: "Hal Leonard has been part of W3C for nearly a year - in the Audio group, but they wanted to get into the publishing side as well. It's interesting that may come up at some point next to Math ML, there are books that will have to include music..." ←

Markus Gylling: "Next is - finalizing the FPWD of PWP committing formally as a group to move forward with it - the Outreach plans for it. Was delayed until this week to discuss outreach." ←

Markus Gylling: "Lets begin with the document itself. A number of things we decidedMarkus" ←

Ivan Herman: "The major things were all around the last section - on the relationship between epub and the portable web document. It was still pretty isolated - and make it more part of the document. Then we had the definition for the web publication didn't make it clear that we were interested in a publication where the core publication was focused on web technologies." ←

Ivan Herman: "I've added some sentences and text. Based on the open-web platform. doesn't need to be exclusively on open-web - such as a scholarly publication I may want to attach a copy of the presentation slides which may be a powerpoint or anything else that may not be part of open web. This is what I did. I may have made some minor editorial changes." ←

Ivan Herman: "That's what I put out tuesday afternoon. There was only 1 comment - editorial - to change reference from PDF to the ISO reference." ←

Markus Gylling: "OK. Dave - you promised to do a bit of soul searching with your colleagues. To make sure that the current version concerns were alleviated." ←

Markus Gylling: "In reference to clarifying that the open-web-platform is a core to the doc, and you point to a wiki page that is not an exhaustive list of what is part of the open-web platform?" ←

Ivan Herman: "Yes, I don't think a full list exists. But I think this is a good start. Not all open-web is W3C - such as javascript. I tried to find a resource that listed everything, but this was all I could find." ←

Markus Gylling: "If we've exhausted comments, lets get a concensus check for the FPWD" ←

Karen Myers: Wonderful milestone for DPUB, collaboration with IDPF&W3C. Had conversations within and without. ←

... We think it makes sense to have both IDPF and W3C post information on their websites (news item, give context) on date of publication. ←

... right now, plan is to do a short news update, focus on careful communication (FPWD etc) ←

... First education. We have to explain the process. What is a WD, 2-3 pars, what's next steps, how to provide input. Point is to get publishers to be more interactive. ←

... Second, it is Frankfurt Book Fair this week. So nobody in publishing news is going to write about this this week, probably early next week too. ←

... so great to have it out on Thursday but expect to actually talk to people next week. ←

Dave Cramer: Some of our messaging complication is that this is not a spec but a note. ←

... pay particular attention to the relationship of this WD and what's happening in epub 3.1. ←

Markus Gylling: read through the draft from this point of view and came out pretty positive. ←

Dave Cramer: agreed. But make it clear we're working together to get closer to making this a reality. This community has come together in many different places but this is the place where we came together for the greater vision. ←

Tzviya Siegman: +1 to dauwhe. From the experience of rolling out the ARIA module, we had to give a lot of background both to publishers (not knowing about ARIA) and a11y (not knowing about publishing). ←

... it would be good to have this from various sides. E.g., Bill "I'm with IDPF, here's our pov", Ivan "I'm with W3C, here's our pov" ←

Tzviya Siegman: DPUB ARIA blog post https://www.w3.org/blog/2015/07/aria-and-dpub-publish-fpwd/ ←

Unknown Nick: +1. The biggest concern: those who have been active, have been active in IDPF. So they will ask why the should care about this W3C thing. ←

noel others are sitting out, make decisions really late. So they sat out IDPF/epub(3), so they might look to sit through this, too. We should present this as the next evolutionary step. ←

Unknown Noel: from the experience of working in a publishing company, can confirm this pov to wait for the dust to settle. ←

Karen Myers: would love to bring together the volunteers. Tzviya, could you contextualize like you did for DPUB-aria, Nick maybe for IDPF/W3C context. Maybe we can regroup mid-week, share with mailing list. ←

... some distance between publication and first blog post doesn't seem a problem. ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-53 - Lead messaging effort [on Karen Myers - due 2015-10-19]. ←

Markus Gylling: "If there is nothing else on outreach - we'll move on with the agenda" ←

Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#Schedule ←

Tzviya Siegman: "We have an agenda. If you're able to call in (might be middle of night for you) but it would be great." ←

Tzviya Siegman: "There are some requests for meetings, but some of the key people will not be there so it wouldn't make sense. Jake Archibald will be there, so maybe we'll have a session with him. What I've wanted to talk about was: 1) If you're area of focus is on the agenda, we need to talk about what we'll be doing on the meeting. I don't want to just 'chat' at TPAC. Either in the wiki or the ←

Tzviya Siegman: "We have some notes from TAG on how the packaging dovetails with the PWP..." ←

Tzviya Siegman: "That would fill in well with the Thursday afternoon discussion and the publishing object model. We may need soemthing at the end of the day on Open Licensing Model - which is a reopen of the rights language ←

Tzviya Siegman: "We need to set some goals, but we do have some wiggle room. Thoughts?" ←

Unknown Makrus: "One thing mentioned is that maybe we should have a session on updating the group on " ←

Ivan Herman: "There will be many guests that won't really know what's goign on with it - so it will be good to have that on a spot on thursday." ←

Dave Cramer: "Not necessarily - if there is something you need me around for, I'm happy to attend." ←

Markus Gylling: "While speaking about epub, on the 2nd day you have a 10:45 'identifiers' is that internal or some other group. Ivan is going to invent a new identifier that is going to solve everything" ←

Ivan Herman: "To have an update there, specifically on something like that..." ←

Heather Flanagan: I know we mentioned it at the beginning of the call, but it's _really_ hard to hear Ivan. ←

Ivan Herman: "To update on the face-2-face in that session would be useful. 10:45 is way to early for you Markus." ←

Markus Gylling: "You shouldn't require me. You have Dave and Tzviya - so you should have enough." ←

Tzviya Siegman: "Do we want to talk about the REL attribute? It's exciting." ←

Ivan Herman: "Up to today, the HTML5 WG sort-of-owns the 'rel' attribute, but it's one of those unclear stuffs. What the HTML5 document includes is a small amount of REL attributes that are assigned. There is a wiki-page on the microformats where you can register a REL value. I have no idea and didn't find out if it actually works or if anyone cares. It may be ill defined..." ←

Dave Cramer: Another possibly canonical source of link relationships: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5988#section-6.2 ←

Ivan Herman: "We don't have a meeting with the new web platform working group - and they probably have bigger issues to work on, but we may want to bring it up on the side with them - to figure out what happened. We will have a meeting where Charles will be there, no? The ARIA meeting?" ←

Tzviya Siegman: "As mentioned in the past - we will have the opportunity to call in. What the next step in is to start with a more detailed agenda ←

Tzviya Siegman: "Dave can lead the meeting on the Publication Object Model." ←

Ivan Herman: Chairs of the Web Platform WG: Adrian Bateman, Art Barstow, Charles McCathie Nevile, Léonie Watson ←

Tzviya Siegman: "For identifiers, Ivan do you want to say more what you want to cover?" ←

Ivan Herman: "What I wanted to say was how the internal references - how it will deal with external URL - how do we solve that you have an Identifier that is either a URL or the web-space, and something on your own machine." ←

Ivan Herman: "What sort of fragment identifiers we need - and what are our position on those. What is the role of CFI? Is there a role for it? Maybe the fine-text work with a URL version as well. These are some of the issues running around without any structure." ←

Ivan Herman: "I think Luc was also involved in some of the identifier issues." ←

Tzviya Siegman: "We have a meeting with ARIA - so I'll set up the agenda for that one." ←

Ivan Herman: "We seems to have some bots that try to get a hold of webex calls. These un identified dial-ins. somebody conjectured that they essentially use the webex to dial-out free to various numbers, we have no clue. What we may do is change the password for this call one of these days." ←

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been duga, Markus_Gylling, Tzviya_Siegman, Dave_Cramer, Peter, Krautzberger, Heather_Flanagan, Alan, Stearns, Karen, Noel_Tanner, ivan ←

Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 12 October 2015

1. FPWD publication

2. F2F agenda