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14:30:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:30:13 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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14:30:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:30:14 <trackbot> Date: 05 October 2015
14:30:23 <ivan> chair: Markus
14:30:34 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/ff032a2089a747a1b356c5a803f58360@CAR-WNMBP-006.wiley.com
14:31:07 <ivan> Regrets: Peter, Nick, Tzviya, Ayla, Luc
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14:58:23 <dauwhe> Present+ Dave_Cramer
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14:58:52 <ivan> Present+ Ivan_Herman
Ivan Herman: Present+ Ivan_Herman ←
15:01:25 <Bill_Kasdorf> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf
Bill Kasdorf: Present+ Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:01:31 <dkaplan3> Present+ Deborah_Kaplan
Deborah Kaplan: Present+ Deborah_Kaplan ←
15:01:33 <mgylling> Present+ Markus_Gylling
Markus Gylling: Present+ Markus_Gylling ←
15:01:38 <brady_duga> present+ duga
Brady Duga: present+ duga ←
15:03:09 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
15:03:28 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/2015/09/28-dpub-minutes.html
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/2015/09/28-dpub-minutes.html ←
15:03:31 <dauwhe> mgylling: approval of last week's minutes
Markus Gylling: approval of last week's minutes ←
15:03:38 <dauwhe> ... any objections?
... any objections? ←
15:03:45 <dauwhe> [silence]
[silence] ←
15:03:50 <dauwhe> ... minutes are approved
... minutes are approved ←
15:03:56 <mgylling> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/
Markus Gylling: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/ ←
15:03:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: topic: PWP Draft Note
Markus Gylling: topic: PWP Draft Note ←
15:04:18 <dauwhe> ... our intent is to publish as FPWD as soon as possible
... our intent is to publish as FPWD as soon as possible ←
15:04:37 <dauwhe> ... there are few outstanding issues to solve with comments from Leonard and Bill
... there are few outstanding issues to solve with comments from Leonard and Bill ←
15:04:51 <dauwhe> ... we felt generally that we're good enough for FPWD
... we felt generally that we're good enough for FPWD ←
15:05:06 <dauwhe> ivan: there was some discussion about relationship to epub
Ivan Herman: there was some discussion about relationship to epub ←
15:05:15 <dauwhe> ... and how we position vis a vis epub
... and how we position vis a vis epub ←
15:05:22 <dauwhe> q+
q+ ←
15:05:29 <dauwhe> ivan: two big changes:
Ivan Herman: two big changes: ←
15:05:32 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
Ben De Meester: Present+ Ben_De_Meester ←
15:05:44 <dauwhe> ... first, that it is "publications" rather than "documents"
... first, that it is "publications" rather than "documents" ←
15:06:04 <dauwhe> ... second, is that we seemed to get consensus on the states of web publications
... second, is that we seemed to get consensus on the states of web publications ←
15:06:14 <dauwhe> ... so there are two sections for terminology
... so there are two sections for terminology ←
15:06:16 <ivan> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/incorporate-states-in-text/index.html
Ivan Herman: https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/incorporate-states-in-text/index.html ←
15:06:20 <dauwhe> ... I have an unmerged version
... I have an unmerged version ←
15:06:26 <dauwhe> ... where I adopted this terminology
... where I adopted this terminology ←
15:06:39 <dauwhe> ... if we agree I can merge
... if we agree I can merge ←
15:06:47 <dauwhe> ... the third issue is the relationship to epub
... the third issue is the relationship to epub ←
15:06:59 <dauwhe> ... a general agreement with Leonard and Bill
... a general agreement with Leonard and Bill ←
15:07:06 <dauwhe> ... I removed references to epub from main text
... I removed references to epub from main text ←
15:07:24 <ivan> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/#epub-relations
Ivan Herman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/#epub-relations ←
15:07:39 <dauwhe> ... instead a separate section (appendix) at end of document where there is explicit reference
... instead a separate section (appendix) at end of document where there is explicit reference ←
15:07:47 <dauwhe> ... I think this is way better and cleaner
... I think this is way better and cleaner ←
15:07:58 <dauwhe> ... this text is took from previous text and some from Bill
... this text is taken from previous text and some from Bill ←
15:08:09 <dauwhe> s/took/taken/
15:08:17 <dauwhe> ... I think these are the main changes
... I think these are the main changes ←
15:08:32 <dauwhe> ... at this moment I don't have any pending issues
... at this moment I don't have any pending issues ←
15:08:56 <dauwhe> ... unless there are major disagreements with content, I think it's way beyond the level of usual FPWD
... unless there are major disagreements with content, I think it's way beyond the level of usual FPWD ←
15:08:56 <mgylling> ack dau
Markus Gylling: ack dau ←
15:09:07 <Vlad> present+
Vladimir Levantovsky: present+ ←
15:09:16 <Karen> Dave: I have been getting some pushback on the relationship with EPUB in this document
Dave Cramer: I have been getting some pushback on the relationship with EPUB in this document [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:09:19 <Karen> scribenick: Karen
(Scribe set to Karen Myers)
15:09:40 <Karen> Dave: first one, does text in an appendix have the same force in a W3C doc as it would elsewhere?
Dave Cramer: first one, does text in an appendix have the same force in a W3C doc as it would elsewhere? ←
15:09:44 <Karen> Ivan: Two answers
Ivan Herman: Two answers ←
15:09:47 <Karen> present+ Karen
present+ Karen ←
15:09:59 <Karen> Ivan: Question whether it should be a section or an appendix
Ivan Herman: Question whether it should be a section or an appendix ←
15:10:06 <Karen> …I have no preference
…I have no preference ←
15:10:10 <Karen> …This is an IG note
…This is an IG note ←
15:10:20 <Karen> …not same standing as a WG
…not same standing as a WG ←
15:10:30 <Karen> …we always make a distinction if normative or not normative
…we always make a distinction if normative or not normative ←
15:10:35 <Karen> …An appendix can be normative
…An appendix can be normative ←
15:10:43 <Karen> …it is not part of the main story so to say
…it is not part of the main story so to say ←
15:10:46 <Karen> …Take an example
…Take an example ←
15:10:54 <Karen> …If we have a vocabulary that we define in a document
…If we have a vocabulary that we define in a document ←
15:11:03 <Karen> …it may include the precise OWL specification, so it is normative
…it may include the precise OWL specification, so it is normative ←
15:11:10 <Karen> …I am ok if we say it should be a section
…I am ok if we say it should be a section ←
15:11:14 <Karen> Dave: That was not a big hting
Dave Cramer: That was not a big thing ←
15:11:20 <Karen> s/hting/thing
15:11:25 <Karen> Dave: The last paragraph
Dave Cramer: The last paragraph ←
15:11:30 <Karen> …[quotes]
…[quotes] ←
15:11:46 <Karen> …I wonder if we don't necessarily have to mention EPUB around this
…I wonder if we don't necessarily have to mention EPUB around this ←
15:11:53 <Karen> …but wonder if we make this more obvious in the document
…but wonder if we make this more obvious in the document ←
15:12:06 <Karen> …I feel that some of the back and forth on this has perhaps obscured that point
…I feel that some of the back and forth on this has perhaps obscured that point ←
15:12:14 <Karen> Markus: hmmm
Markus Gylling: hmmm ←
15:12:25 <Karen> Dave: Especially if it's being read by people who are not part of the current discussion
Dave Cramer: Especially if it's being read by people who are not part of the current discussion ←
15:12:34 <Karen> …We first mention HTML in section 3.2 or something
…We first mention HTML in section 3.2 or something ←
15:12:38 <Karen> Ivan: So the real question is
Ivan Herman: So the real question is ←
15:12:43 <Karen> …which section should that be?
…which section should that be? ←
15:12:58 <Karen> …I am not against what you say; purely editorial POV trying to see where this section would go in the story
…I am not against what you say; purely editorial POV trying to see where this section would go in the story ←
15:13:11 <Karen> Dave: I don't think I have anything in mind right now; would take some time to think of it
Dave Cramer: I don't think I have anything in mind right now; would take some time to think of it ←
15:13:18 <Karen> …I think it's a key part of our message
…I think it's a key part of our message ←
15:13:27 <Karen> …We are not talking about throwing away the key OWP stack
…We are not talking about throwing away the key OWP stack ←
15:13:53 <Karen> …Some people in the discussion perhaps have tried to frame the discussion to other document formats not within the W3C's purview
…Some people in the discussion perhaps have tried to frame the discussion to other document formats not within the W3C's purview ←
15:13:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:13:58 <Karen> Ivan: What about the following
Ivan Herman: What about the following ←
15:14:13 <Karen> …First, I think that the paragraph as it stands now can stay
…First, I think that the paragraph as it stands now can stay ←
15:14:18 <Karen> …repeating is not a problem
…repeating is not a problem ←
15:14:20 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:14:35 <Karen> …What about at end of 4.1 where we define web resource and what portable web document is
…What about at end of 4.1 where we define web resource and what portable web document is ←
15:14:53 <Karen> …add a note, as a consequence of talking about web resources, that consist of HTML blah blah
…add a note, as a consequence of talking about web resources, that consist of HTML blah blah ←
15:14:57 <Karen> Dave: yes, that would be helpful
Dave Cramer: yes, that would be helpful ←
15:15:02 <Karen> Ivan: I will do this today or tomorrow morning
Ivan Herman: I will do this today or tomorrow morning ←
15:15:12 <Karen> …Ok to make those changes and send a pointer tomorrow
…Ok to make those changes and send a pointer tomorrow ←
15:15:16 <Karen> …and then you give a green light?
…and then you give a green light? ←
15:15:25 <Karen> Dave: yes, that is fine; I don't want to slow down the machinery
Dave Cramer: yes, that is fine; I don't want to slow down the machinery ←
15:15:30 <Karen> Ivan: that is a fair comment
Ivan Herman: that is a fair comment ←
15:15:43 <Karen> Markus: Seems to be the potential scope on clarity that you raise, Dave, about what we mean by content
Markus Gylling: Seems to be the potential scope on clarity that you raise, Dave, about what we mean by content ←
15:15:59 <Karen> …is something that would be a really good discussion to have during FBWD
…is something that would be a really good discussion to have during FPWD ←
15:16:15 <Karen> …if Ivan's latest edits suffice, that's good, if not, we can still make more changes
…if Ivan's latest edits suffice, that's good, if not, we can still make more changes ←
15:16:21 <Karen> s/FBWD/FPWD
15:16:38 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:16:39 <Karen> Dave: Some people are concerned about what message is sent even at the first public working draft stage
Dave Cramer: Some people are concerned about what message is sent even at the first public working draft stage ←
15:16:41 <Karen> ack Bill
ack Bill ←
15:16:43 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←
15:16:49 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
15:16:52 <Karen> Bill: I have two quick points
Bill Kasdorf: I have two quick points [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:17:01 <Karen> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
15:17:04 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the fundamental issue isn't throwing away OWP spec
Bill Kasdorf: the fundamental issue isn't throwing away OWP spec ←
15:17:13 <dauwhe> ... but accomodating things outside OWP spec
... but accomodating things outside OWP spec ←
15:17:21 <dauwhe> ... in the 4.1 definition of web resource
... in the 4.1 definition of web resource ←
15:17:36 <dauwhe> ... it says who's content can be accessed through network protocols
... it says who's content can be accessed through network protocols ←
15:17:44 <dauwhe> ... for example, word docs
... for example, word docs ←
15:17:55 <dauwhe> ... which can be accessed but not rendered
... which can be accessed but not rendered ←
15:18:18 <dauwhe> ivan: the statement is clear paragraph that should be put after series of definitions
Ivan Herman: the statement is clear paragraph that should be put after series of definitions ←
15:18:27 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: we want to avoid possible misinterpretation
Bill Kasdorf: we want to avoid possible misinterpretation ←
15:18:29 <dauwhe> mgylling: right
Markus Gylling: right ←
15:18:43 <dauwhe> ivan: or maybe even an additional bullet point under web publication definition
Ivan Herman: or maybe even an additional bullet point under web publication definition ←
15:18:56 <dauwhe> ... the resources are primarily
... the resources are primarily ←
15:19:06 <dauwhe> .. for example, a PWP may include a CVS file
.. for example, a PWP may include a CVS file ←
15:19:16 <dauwhe> ... I don't want to make a strong black and white thing
... I don't want to make a strong black and white thing ←
15:19:31 <mgylling> ack Karen
Markus Gylling: ack Karen ←
15:19:34 <dauwhe> ... the resources are "primarily" OWP resources like HTML that makes it clearer
... the resources are "primarily" OWP resources like HTML that makes it clearer ←
15:19:40 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: that wouldd be good
Bill Kasdorf: that wouldd be good ←
15:19:53 <dauwhe> Karen: what's the desired timeline for publishing the doc and letting people know
Karen Myers: what's the desired timeline for publishing the doc and letting people know ←
15:19:58 <dauwhe> ... and building a nice story around that
... and building a nice story around that ←
15:20:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: it seems to me that we want to make a final round this week based on feedback today
Markus Gylling: it seems to me that we want to make a final round this week based on feedback today ←
15:20:27 <dauwhe> ... I don't see decision on this call, but perhaps next week
... I don't see decision on this call, but perhaps next week ←
15:20:32 <dauwhe> q+
q+ ←
15:20:45 <dauwhe> ivan: the practical problem is timing
Ivan Herman: the practical problem is timing ←
15:20:50 <dauwhe> ... next tuesday I will be out
... next tuesday I will be out ←
15:20:58 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:21:03 <dauwhe> ... if I finish everything the 15th can be pub date
... if I finish everything the 15th can be pub date ←
15:21:12 <dauwhe> ... then we get into moratorium
... then we get into moratorium ←
15:21:19 <dauwhe> ... we could still publish on 20th
... we could still publish on 20th ←
15:21:25 <dauwhe> ... then I'm unavailable for a while
... then I'm unavailable for a while ←
15:21:39 <dauwhe> ... next week monday we must make decision if we want this published before TPAC
... next week monday we must make decision if we want this published before TPAC ←
15:21:55 <dauwhe> mgylling: that's columbus day
Markus Gylling: that's columbus day ←
15:22:10 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:22:28 <dauwhe> ivan: we can make a decision today, we agree to publish providing these changes are made, and there are no objections
Ivan Herman: we can make a decision today, we agree to publish providing these changes are made, and there are no objections ←
15:22:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to the strategy Ivan just suggested
Bill Kasdorf: +1 to the strategy Ivan just suggested ←
15:22:35 <dauwhe> ... then we can start the process
... then we can start the process ←
15:22:39 <mgylling> ack dau
Markus Gylling: ack dau ←
15:22:42 <Vlad> Columbus dya isn't a widely recognized holiday, most companies have a regular business day
Vladimir Levantovsky: Columbus day isn't a widely recognized holiday, most companies have a regular business day ←
15:22:54 <Vlad> s/dya/day/
15:23:31 <dauwhe> dauwhe: EPUB31 is meeting this week
Dave Cramer: EPUB31 is meeting this week ←
15:23:53 <dauwhe> mgylling: that wasn't a counterargument?
Markus Gylling: that wasn't a counterargument? ←
15:24:20 <dauwhe> ivan: it just means possible objections should be entertained until next Monday
Ivan Herman: it just means possible objections should be entertained until next Monday ←
15:24:40 <dauwhe> ivan: before we do that, the group must agree on the short name, the stable URI for the doc
Ivan Herman: before we do that, the group must agree on the short name, the stable URI for the doc ←
15:24:48 <dauwhe> ... at the moment it's PWP
... at the moment it's PWP ←
15:25:06 <dauwhe> ... we don't have to have dpub-pwp or just regular pwp
... we don't have to have dpub-pwp or just regular pwp ←
15:25:40 <dauwhe> mgylling: record in the minutes that we're doing a consensus call on publishing FPWD on October 15
Markus Gylling: record in the minutes that we're doing a consensus call on publishing FPWD on October 15 ←
15:25:59 <dauwhe> ivan: we do preliminary agreement now
Ivan Herman: we do preliminary agreement now ←
15:26:16 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's do preliminary call for consensus on publishing on October 15
Markus Gylling: let's do preliminary call for consensus on publishing on October 15 ←
15:26:30 <dauwhe> ... we have until Monday Oct 12 for comments and objections
... we have until Monday Oct 12 for comments and objections ←
15:26:42 <dauwhe> Vlad: Columbus day is not widely recognized holiday
Vladimir Levantovsky: Columbus day is not widely recognized holiday ←
15:26:50 <dauwhe> ... schools are out but that's about it
... schools are out but that's about it ←
15:27:39 <dauwhe> Karen: many businesses don't take the holiday
Karen Myers: many businesses don't take the holiday ←
15:27:44 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's meet next week
Markus Gylling: let's meet next week ←
15:27:58 <dauwhe> ... let's spend this week reviewing Ivan's edits and any other final edits
... let's spend this week reviewing Ivan's edits and any other final edits ←
15:28:12 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:28:13 <dauwhe> ... goal is to decide next monday to publish
... goal is to decide next monday to publish ←
15:28:41 <dauwhe> mgylling: are we ready to move on?
Markus Gylling: are we ready to move on? ←
15:28:45 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:28:46 <dauwhe> [all] yes!
[all] yes! ←
15:28:53 <Karen> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
15:29:03 <dauwhe> mgylling: topic: quick info around CSS inline
Markus Gylling: topic: quick info around CSS inline ←
15:29:05 <mgylling> ack karen
Markus Gylling: ack karen ←
15:29:22 <dauwhe> Karen: the second part of my question is what kind of message that we hope to see?
Karen Myers: the second part of my question is what kind of message that we hope to see? ←
15:29:33 <dauwhe> ... what is an appropriate takeaway for publishing this?
... what is an appropriate takeaway for publishing this? ←
15:29:39 <dauwhe> ... shout from rooftops?
... shout from rooftops? ←
15:29:49 <dauwhe> ... Bill McCoy and I communicated about this
... Bill McCoy and I communicated about this ←
15:30:03 <dauwhe> ... what's the big takeaway from this? What's the story?
... what's the big takeaway from this? What's the story? ←
15:30:17 <dauwhe> mgylling: should we schedule time to go through that next Monday?
Markus Gylling: should we schedule time to go through that next Monday? ←
15:30:22 <dauwhe> Karen: OK. That's fine.
Karen Myers: OK. That's fine. ←
15:30:28 <dauwhe> q+
q+ ←
15:30:35 <dauwhe> Karen: we can deal with it
Karen Myers: we can deal with it ←
15:30:38 <Karen> ack Dave
Karen Myers: ack Dave ←
15:30:39 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:30:44 <mgylling> ack dau
Markus Gylling: ack dau ←
15:30:49 <Karen> Dave: Just a comment on the message around the release of this document
Dave Cramer: Just a comment on the message around the release of this document [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:30:55 <Karen> …be a little careful about
Karen Myers: …be a little careful about ←
15:31:03 <Karen> …my AC Rep will have significant opinions about this
Karen Myers: …my AC Rep will have significant opinions about this ←
15:31:11 <Karen> Ivan: Maybe you can ask
Ivan Herman: Maybe you can ask [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:31:27 <Karen> Dave: I can explicitly ask him for what specific messaging to have around this
Dave Cramer: I can explicitly ask him for what specific messaging to have around this [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:31:42 <Karen> Ivan: and do we want a press release, a blog, the level of noise to have around this
Ivan Herman: and do we want a press release, a blog, the level of noise to have around this [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:31:59 <Karen> Markus: Le'ts talk about this properly next Monday with NIck and Karen; and they will have some additional input then as well
Markus Gylling: Le'ts talk about this properly next Monday with NIck and Karen; and they will have some additional input then as well [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:32:05 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:32:13 <ivan> Topic: CSS inline
15:32:15 <Karen> scribenick: Karen
(Scribe set to Karen Myers)
15:32:25 <Karen> Markus: Tell us about CSS inline
Markus Gylling: Tell us about CSS inline ←
15:32:39 <Karen> Dave; The big news is the initial letter shifts in Safari; it works in my iphone
Dave; The big news is the initial letter shifts in Safari; it works in my iphone ←
15:32:47 <Karen> Ivan: And Safari on the desktop?
Ivan Herman: And Safari on the desktop? ←
15:32:55 <Karen> Dave: I believe it will; it is in the release notes
Dave Cramer: I believe it will; it is in the release notes ←
15:33:06 <Karen> …I believe people who have installed latest version have been making MOs
…I believe people who have installed latest version have been making MOs ←
15:33:09 <Karen> …Every sign points to that
…Every sign points to that ←
15:33:17 <Karen> …bad news is that it's really buggy, unfortunately
…bad news is that it's really buggy, unfortunately ←
15:33:18 <mgylling> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Sep/0139.html
Markus Gylling: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Sep/0139.html ←
15:33:21 <Karen> Ivan: you can't get it all
Ivan Herman: you can't get it all ←
15:33:29 <Karen> Dave: someone should have written a few tests
Dave Cramer: someone should have written a few tests ←
15:33:36 <Karen> …we have also published another working draft of the spec
…we have also published another working draft of the spec ←
15:33:44 <Karen> …and continuing to work on internationalization
…and continuing to work on internationalization ←
15:33:51 <Karen> …it's a significantly hard problem with this feature
…it's a significantly hard problem with this feature ←
15:34:06 <Karen> …So a) hoping to nail down CJK issues since I'll be surrounded by experts
…So a) hoping to nail down CJK issues since I'll be surrounded by experts ←
15:34:09 <Karen> …at TPAC
…at TPAC ←
15:34:17 <Karen> …and reach out to the type setting community since we have questions about that
…and reach out to the type setting community since we have questions about that ←
15:34:28 <Karen> Markus: Cool; anything you need from the IG in terms of CSS inline
Markus Gylling: Cool; anything you need from the IG in terms of CSS inline ←
15:34:39 <Karen> Dave: I think the useful thing is good technical knowledge of other scripts
Dave Cramer: I think the useful thing is good technical knowledge of other scripts ←
15:34:51 <Karen> …especially Hebrew, Arabic and Indic scripts
…especially Hebrew, Arabic and Indic scripts ←
15:34:59 <Karen> …If anyone knows about Arabic I would love to talk to you
…If anyone knows about Arabic I would love to talk to you ←
15:35:12 <Karen> Markus: Might want to repeat that question on the list for those who are not here today
Markus Gylling: Might want to repeat that question on the list for those who are not here today ←
15:35:15 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:35:22 <Karen> Dave: I think we are going to write up a questionnaires on the lanagues
Dave Cramer: I think we are going to write up a questionnaires on the lanagues ←
15:35:26 <Karen> s/languages
s/languages ←
15:35:37 <Karen> …Maybe broadcast through group if initial attempts fail
…Maybe broadcast through group if initial attempts fail ←
15:35:50 <Karen> Markus: no one on queue; congratulations, Dave and good luck with the rest of the work
Markus Gylling: no one on queue; congratulations, Dave and good luck with the rest of the work ←
15:35:55 <Karen> …any additional comments?
…any additional comments? ←
15:35:59 <Karen> q+
q+ ←
15:36:10 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
15:36:10 <mgylling> ack karen
Markus Gylling: ack karen ←
15:36:23 <dauwhe> Karen: you mentioned this is in safari. Any other browsers?
Karen Myers: you mentioned this is in safari. Any other browsers? ←
15:36:46 <Karen> Dave: I don't have any…I know Blink has mentioned there is a higher level feature that they are not interested in implementing
Dave Cramer: I don't have any…I know Blink has mentioned there is a higher level feature that they are not interested in implementing [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:36:53 <Karen> …they have no problems implementing if other browsers do it
Karen Myers: …they have no problems implementing if other browsers do it ←
15:37:28 <ivan> Regrets+ Zheng_Xu
Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Zheng_Xu ←
15:37:32 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:37:46 <dauwhe> mgylling: several meaty topics left
Markus Gylling: several meaty topics left ←
15:37:49 <Karen> Dave: No other particular news
Dave Cramer: No other particular news [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:37:49 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis.html
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis.html ←
15:38:02 <Karen> scribenick: dauwhe
15:38:07 <dauwhe> ... the link to the table that M. Cooper of PF has been building
... the link to the table that M. Cooper of PF has been building ←
15:38:13 <ivan> Topic: Extended Description Analysis with PF
15:38:15 <dauwhe> ... we had a lot of activity around this a while ago
... we had a lot of activity around this a while ago ←
15:38:18 <dauwhe> ... but work is not done
... but work is not done ←
15:38:33 <dauwhe> ... Michael and rest of folks in PF have asked for input on completing
... Michael and rest of folks in PF have asked for input on completing ←
15:38:34 <dkaplan3> q+
Deborah Kaplan: q+ ←
15:38:43 <dauwhe> ... Tzviya sent an email about this
... Tzviya sent an email about this ←
15:38:49 <mgylling> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0011.html
Markus Gylling: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0011.html ←
15:38:59 <dauwhe> ... about what kind of input he wants
... about what kind of input he wants ←
15:39:09 <dauwhe> ... wherever there are question marks, input is requested
... wherever there are question marks, input is requested ←
15:39:13 <dauwhe> ... or empty cells
... or empty cells ←
15:39:28 <dauwhe> ... so we should be doing work to properly analyze this
... so we should be doing work to properly analyze this ←
15:39:42 <dauwhe> ... this was on agenda of a11y call last fri
... this was on agenda of a11y call last fri ←
15:39:46 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: it was on agenda
Deborah Kaplan: it was on agenda ←
15:39:55 <dauwhe> ... the grid is very good but there are clarifications we want
... the grid is very good but there are clarifications we want ←
15:40:01 <dauwhe> ... some things are hard to read
... some things are hard to read ←
15:40:16 <dauwhe> ... a couple of rows where we're not convinced it's a meaningful requirement
... a couple of rows where we're not convinced it's a meaningful requirement ←
15:40:27 <dauwhe> ... we're putting together some feedback over the next two weeks
... we're putting together some feedback over the next two weeks ←
15:40:32 <dauwhe> ... to have ready before TPAC
... to have ready before TPAC ←
15:40:42 <dauwhe> mgylling: will feedback be circulated?
Markus Gylling: will feedback be circulated? ←
15:40:50 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: if group is interested.
Deborah Kaplan: if group is interested. ←
15:40:55 <dauwhe> ivan: I am interested
Ivan Herman: I am interested ←
15:41:10 <dauwhe> mgylling: please circulate through list for review
Markus Gylling: please circulate through list for review ←
15:41:21 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: feedback from the wider group is welcome in any form
Deborah Kaplan: feedback from the wider group is welcome in any form ←
15:41:24 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:41:31 <mgylling> ack dkaplan
Markus Gylling: ack dkaplan ←
15:41:39 <dauwhe> mgylling: what does this mean in terms of time
Markus Gylling: what does this mean in terms of time ←
15:41:51 <dauwhe> ... we can do PWP consensus next week, talk about outreach
... we can do PWP consensus next week, talk about outreach ←
15:42:01 <dauwhe> ... we could have dedicated session to look at your stuff
... we could have dedicated session to look at your stuff ←
15:42:07 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: I don't think we'll be ready
Deborah Kaplan: I don't think we'll be ready ←
15:42:12 <dauwhe> ... charles is still on holiday
... charles is still on holiday ←
15:42:23 <dauwhe> ... Tzviya has been away
... Tzviya has been away ←
15:42:36 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:42:49 <dauwhe> mgylling: that train has left the station in terms of getting this done
Markus Gylling: the train has left the station in terms of getting this done ←
15:42:53 <dauwhe> s/that/the/
15:43:10 <dauwhe> mgylling: unless there are comments on table, next event will be draft reply from dkaplan3
Markus Gylling: unless there are comments on table, next event will be draft reply from dkaplan3 ←
15:43:22 <dauwhe> mgylling: questions?
Markus Gylling: questions? ←
15:43:28 <dauwhe> ... let's move on
... let's move on ←
15:43:36 <dauwhe> ... TPAC sessions
... TPAC sessions ←
15:43:49 <dauwhe> ... I missed the planning call
... I missed the planning call ←
15:43:58 <dauwhe> ... I know that outreach has begun
... I know that outreach has begun ←
15:44:11 <dauwhe> ivan: I don't know about timing
Ivan Herman: I don't know about timing ←
15:44:16 <dauwhe> ... session wish list
... session wish list ←
15:44:20 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#Schedule
Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#Schedule ←
15:44:28 <dauwhe> ... Tzviya sent out feelers to all of those
... Tzviya sent out feelers to all of those ←
15:44:44 <dauwhe> ... from Webapps, which is relevant for service workers and also for packaging
... from Webapps, which is relevant for service workers and also for packaging ←
15:44:50 <dauwhe> ... strange situation
... strange situation ←
15:45:04 <dauwhe> ... better talk to TAG,
... better talk to TAG, ←
15:45:20 <dauwhe> ... Webapp meeting is Mon-Tue, as most won't be around for our meeting
... Webapp meeting is Mon-Tue, as most won't be around for our meeting ←
15:45:45 <dauwhe> ... chair of webapps has sent mail to his own group asking for review about service workers, and whether some of them can talk to us
... chair of webapps has sent mail to his own group asking for review about service workers, and whether some of them can talk to us ←
15:45:47 <mgylling> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0017.html
Markus Gylling: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0017.html ←
15:45:52 <dauwhe> ... she has talked to PF, CSS...
... she has talked to PF, CSS... ←
15:45:58 <dauwhe> ... don't know what the dates are
... don't know what the dates are ←
15:46:03 <dauwhe> ... annotations update
... annotations update ←
15:46:16 <dauwhe> ... maybe some of us should go to annotations meeting
... maybe some of us should go to annotations meeting ←
15:46:29 <dauwhe> ... identifiers are scary
... identifiers are scary ←
15:46:37 <dauwhe> ... that's a topic for Bill
... that's a topic for Bill ←
15:46:48 <dauwhe> ... Daniel was happy on doing a session on POM
... Daniel was happy on doing a session on POM ←
15:46:56 <dauwhe> ... a11y is for Deborah and Charles
... a11y is for Deborah and Charles ←
15:47:10 <dauwhe> ... having a meeting with HTML doesn't make much sense
... having a meeting with HTML doesn't make much sense ←
15:47:22 <dauwhe> ivan: these are the external group meetings
Ivan Herman: these are the external group meetings ←
15:47:25 <dauwhe> q+
q+ ←
15:47:34 <dauwhe> mgylling: identifiers is an internal discussion
Markus Gylling: identifiers is an internal discussion ←
15:47:35 <dauwhe> ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
15:47:41 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:47:43 <dauwhe> ... Bill_Kasdorf, can you dial in?
... Bill_Kasdorf, can you dial in? ←
15:47:55 <dauwhe> [silence]
[silence] ←
15:48:02 <mgylling> ack dau
Markus Gylling: ack dau ←
15:48:48 <dauwhe> dauwhe: EPUB31 has an alternative to web manifest spec
Dave Cramer: EPUB31 has an alternative to web manifest spec ←
15:48:55 <dauwhe> mgylling: we could talk about that ourselves
Markus Gylling: we could talk about that ourselves ←
15:49:03 <dauwhe> ... it may be a bit early
... it may be a bit early ←
15:49:23 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:49:29 <dauwhe> ivan: I think there's more that's worth doing
Ivan Herman: I think there's more that's worth doing ←
15:49:37 <dauwhe> ... in epub31 there are subgroups
... in epub31 there are subgroups ←
15:49:43 <dauwhe> ... the main points are set
... the main points are set ←
15:49:55 <dauwhe> ... some of them are very internal to IDPF like reorg of documentation
... some of them are very internal to IDPF like reorg of documentation ←
15:50:01 <dauwhe> ... but others are relevant to this IG
... but others are relevant to this IG ←
15:50:11 <dauwhe> ... giving a list of those, and what the issues are is relevant
... giving a list of those, and what the issues are is relevant ←
15:50:16 <dauwhe> ... like serialization
... like serialization ←
15:50:30 <dauwhe> mgylling: I think I know what input we would get ;)
Markus Gylling: I think I know what input we would get ;) ←
15:50:39 <dauwhe> ... that's one internal session idea
... that's one internal session idea ←
15:50:41 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:50:50 <dauwhe> ... are there others who want to suggest things?
... are there others who want to suggest things? ←
15:51:02 <dauwhe> ivan: we can do it when you are back from NYC
Ivan Herman: we can do it when you are back from NYC ←
15:51:41 <dauwhe> ivan: who intends to dial in and when?
Ivan Herman: who intends to dial in and when? ←
15:52:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: maybe we should edit participants table to allow registration as virtual participant
Markus Gylling: maybe we should edit participants table to allow registration as virtual participant ←
15:52:34 <dauwhe> ... the final item was should we meet on Columbus day?
... the final item was should we meet on Columbus day? ←
15:52:37 <dauwhe> ... yes
... yes ←
15:53:06 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:53:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: I think we are done for today
Markus Gylling: I think we are done for today ←
15:53:27 <dauwhe> ... Ivan will be pushing edits on the PWP draft
... Ivan will be pushing edits on the PWP draft ←
15:53:40 <dauwhe> ... and Dave will talk to "stakeholders" to gather feedback
... and Dave will talk to "stakeholders" to gather feedback ←
15:53:55 <dauwhe> ... so we will feel good about the doc next Monday
... so we will feel good about the doc next Monday ←
15:54:04 <dauwhe> ... thanks to Dave and Karen for scribing
... thanks to Dave and Karen for scribing ←
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16:00:30 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
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