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14:13:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:13:42 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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14:13:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:13:43 <trackbot> Date: 28 September 2015
14:13:48 <ivan> zakim, code?
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14:14:08 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/5605A7A8.8090603@gmail.com
14:14:18 <ivan> Chair: Markus
14:15:06 <ivan> Regrets: Tzviya, Leonard, Vladimir, Alan, Jeff, Luc
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14:58:50 <dauwhe> present+ Dave_Cramer
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14:59:13 <brady_duga> present+ duga
Brady Duga: present+ duga ←
15:00:29 <HeatherF> present+ Heather_Flanagan
Heather Flanagan: present+ Heather_Flanagan ←
15:00:58 <ivan> Present+ ivan
Ivan Herman: Present+ ivan ←
15:01:20 <dkaplan3> present+ Deborah_Kaplan
Deborah Kaplan: present+ Deborah_Kaplan ←
15:01:20 <mgylling> Present+ Markus
Markus Gylling: Present+ Markus ←
15:01:38 <pkra> Present+ Peter Krautzberger
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15:03:14 <mgylling> zakim, pick a victim
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15:03:14 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Markus
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15:03:22 <dauwhe> LOL
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15:03:28 <pkra> O:-)
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15:03:31 <mgylling> zakim, pick a victim
Markus Gylling: zakim, pick a victim ←
15:03:31 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Dave_Cramer
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Dave_Cramer ←
15:03:54 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:54 <Zakim> Present: Dave_Cramer, duga, Heather_Flanagan, ivan, Deborah_Kaplan, Markus, Peter, Krautzberger
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15:03:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bert, pbelfanti, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, HeatherF, pkra, dauwhe, brady_duga, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, shepazu, Karen, ivan, liam, iank, astearns, plinss, trackbot
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15:03:57 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
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15:04:01 <pbelfanti> Present+
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15:04:07 <Bert> Present+ Bert
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Unknown Bert: Present+ Bert ←
15:04:07 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's get going
Markus Gylling: let's get going ←
15:04:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> Present+
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Unknown Bill_Kasdorf: Present+ ←
15:04:14 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/2015/09/21-dpub-minutes.html
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/2015/09/21-dpub-minutes.html ←
15:04:16 <dauwhe> ... first order of business is to approve minutes
... first order of business is to approve minutes ←
15:04:22 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:04:22 <Zakim> Present: Dave_Cramer, duga, Heather_Flanagan, ivan, Deborah_Kaplan, Markus, Peter, Krautzberger, pbelfanti, Bert, Bill_Kasdorf
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15:04:22 <dauwhe> ... any objections?
... any objections? ←
15:04:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see TimCole, Bert, pbelfanti, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, HeatherF, pkra, dauwhe, brady_duga, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, shepazu, Karen, ivan, liam, iank, astearns, plinss,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see TimCole, Bert, pbelfanti, Bill_Kasdorf, dkaplan3, HeatherF, pkra, dauwhe, brady_duga, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, shepazu, Karen, ivan, liam, iank, astearns, plinss, ←
15:04:24 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
15:04:27 <dauwhe> [silence]
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15:04:35 <dauwhe> ... minutes are approved
... minutes are approved ←
15:05:02 <dauwhe> ... we'd spend one of these telecons on the glossary (foreboding music plays in background)
... we'd spend one of these telecons on the glossary (foreboding music plays in background) ←
15:05:17 <dauwhe> ... we want to get to a FPWD
... we want to get to a FPWD ←
15:05:25 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Glossary
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Glossary ←
15:05:27 <dauwhe> ... the intent is it will be an IG note eventually
... the intent is it will be an IG note eventually ←
15:05:46 <dauwhe> ... Ivan, what's your view of where we're at?
... Ivan, what's your view of where we're at? ←
15:06:01 <ivan> -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwd/ Editor's draft of the new EPUB+WEB document
Ivan Herman: -> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwd/ Editor's draft of the new EPUB+WEB document ←
15:06:12 <dauwhe> ivan: So, where should we start?
Ivan Herman: So, where should we start? ←
15:06:15 <Karen> present+ Karen
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15:06:16 <Julie_Morris> present + Julie_Morris
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Unknown Julie_Morris: present + Julie_Morris ←
15:06:28 <dauwhe> ... there were two reasons
... there were two reasons ←
15:06:34 <HeatherF> He fades in and out for me, too
Heather Flanagan: He fades in and out for me, too ←
15:06:49 <dauwhe> ... why this issue on glossary was important
... why this issue on glossary was important ←
15:06:49 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
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Unknown TimCole: Present+ Tim_Cole ←
15:07:03 <dauwhe> ... one is what Markus said; we had to produce a new version of EPUB+WEB document
... one is what Markus said; we had to produce a new version of EPUB+WEB document ←
15:07:11 <dauwhe> ... since it will be a public note of the IG
... since it will be a public note of the IG ←
15:07:19 <dauwhe> ... but there was also another issue
... but there was also another issue ←
15:07:32 <dauwhe> ... this is more coming from the web community rather than the community here
... this is more coming from the web community rather than the community here ←
15:07:45 <dauwhe> ... from webdevs and browser folk
... from webdevs and browser folk ←
15:07:53 <dauwhe> ... why do we need anything at all?
... why do we need anything at all? ←
15:08:06 <dauwhe> ... why do publishers need anything else other than what the web already provides?
... why do publishers need anything else other than what the web already provides? ←
15:08:16 <dauwhe> ... we have been publishing web pages for 20 years!
... we have been publishing web pages for 20 years! ←
15:08:28 <dauwhe> ... we have to be very clear in what we are talking about
... we have to be very clear in what we are talking about ←
15:08:38 <dauwhe> ... we are not talking about gmail pages
... we are not talking about gmail pages ←
15:08:51 <dauwhe> ... difference between publishing and web at large
... difference between publishing and web at large ←
15:09:00 <dauwhe> ... so this led to the discussion I started a while ago
... so this led to the discussion I started a while ago ←
15:09:08 <dauwhe> ... and that's what's now in the glossary page
... and that's what's now in the glossary page ←
15:09:27 <dauwhe> ... I put up some initial things
... I put up some initial things ←
15:09:50 <dauwhe> ... I naively put up some definitions for document / publication
... I naively put up some definitions for document / publication ←
15:09:59 <dauwhe> ... that led to a thread
... that led to a thread ←
15:10:18 <dauwhe> .. with more than a hundred emails on a specific topic
.. with more than a hundred emails on a specific topic ←
15:10:41 <dauwhe> ... talking about portable web things
... talking about portable web things ←
15:10:54 <dauwhe> ... we did reach equilibrium when talking about portable web documents
... we did reach equilibrium when talking about portable web documents ←
15:11:04 <dauwhe> ... do we want to get into details?
... do we want to get into details? ←
15:11:10 <dauwhe> mgylling: yes, we should get into details
Markus Gylling: yes, we should get into details ←
15:11:29 <dauwhe> ivan: the goal was to define a class of documents
Ivan Herman: the goal was to define a class of documents ←
15:11:40 <dauwhe> ... web pages or collection of web pages that work on and offline
... web pages or collection of web pages that work on and offline ←
15:11:54 <dauwhe> ... we had start with more fundamental things
... we had start with more fundamental things ←
15:12:00 <dauwhe> ... started with concept of web resource
... started with concept of web resource ←
15:12:03 <dauwhe> ... a very general thing
... a very general thing ←
15:12:15 <dauwhe> ... a thing on the web that can be identified by a URI
... a thing on the web that can be identified by a URI ←
15:12:29 <dauwhe> ... and can be accessed by various protocols
... and can be accessed by various protocols ←
15:12:42 <dauwhe> ... we also needed something called essential content
... we also needed something called essential content ←
15:12:56 <dauwhe> ... dkaplan was great in finding out these terms were defined in a11y
... dkaplan was great in finding out these terms were defined in a11y ←
15:13:10 <dauwhe> ... part of web pages are really important for the message
... part of web pages are really important for the message ←
15:13:19 <dauwhe> ... some parts are "nice to have" but less important
... some parts are "nice to have" but less important ←
15:13:25 <dauwhe> ... example:
... example: ←
15:13:49 <dauwhe> ... font statements. In most cases it's OK if the user agent picks one of the fonts
... font statements. In most cases it's OK if the user agent picks one of the fonts ←
15:13:59 <dauwhe> ... but if book is on typography the font might be essential
... but if book is on typography the font might be essential ←
15:14:12 <dauwhe> ... the next step is we define a web document
... the next step is we define a web document ←
15:14:28 <dauwhe> ... we don't concentrate on one single file
... we don't concentrate on one single file ←
15:14:39 <dauwhe> ... but a set of resources that together is an identifiable thing
... but a set of resources that together is an identifiable thing ←
15:14:45 <dauwhe> ... like a scholarly article or a book
... like a scholarly article or a book ←
15:14:54 <dauwhe> ... one or more html pages, svg, js, etc
... one or more html pages, svg, js, etc ←
15:15:01 <dauwhe> ... it's that set which is the central notion
... it's that set which is the central notion ←
15:15:11 <dauwhe> ... has it's own URI
... has it's own URI ←
15:15:17 <dauwhe> ... that's one of the central concepts
... that's one of the central concepts ←
15:15:22 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:15:38 <dauwhe> ... there are a number of qualifiers of what web doc should look like
... there are a number of qualifiers of what web doc should look like ←
15:15:43 <dauwhe> ... if the tech around us changes
... if the tech around us changes ←
15:15:56 <dauwhe> ... so we get poorer environment or smaller screen
... so we get poorer environment or smaller screen ←
15:16:08 <dauwhe> ... we should get graceful degradation but keep essential content
... we should get graceful degradation but keep essential content ←
15:16:26 <dauwhe> ... there are smaller discussions between Bill K. and I around web document vs web publication
... there are smaller discussions between Bill K. and I around web document vs web publication ←
15:16:33 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:16:33 <dauwhe> mgylling: there's an issue in the tracker
Markus Gylling: there's an issue in the tracker ←
15:16:41 <dauwhe> ivan: there are some minor forumulation issues
Ivan Herman: there are some minor forumulation issues ←
15:16:54 <dauwhe> ... final point is that we define what it means to be portable
... final point is that we define what it means to be portable ←
15:17:05 <dauwhe> ... because a web doc can be a collection of all kinds of resources
... because a web doc can be a collection of all kinds of resources ←
15:17:26 <dauwhe> ... I may have a dependency on some CSS file on the other side of the globe
... I may have a dependency on some CSS file on the other side of the globe ←
15:17:33 <dauwhe> ... so there's an issue of portability
... so there's an issue of portability ←
15:17:46 <dauwhe> ... the user agent can render the essential content of the document in such situations
... the user agent can render the essential content of the document in such situations ←
15:17:49 <mgylling> q+
Markus Gylling: q+ ←
15:17:52 <dauwhe> ... then there's a portable web document
... then there's a portable web document ←
15:18:06 <dauwhe> ... this is where we are carving out the things that are on the web
... this is where we are carving out the things that are on the web ←
15:18:16 <dauwhe> ... there is an equilibrium point on these terms
... there is an equilibrium point on these terms ←
15:18:23 <dauwhe> ... there are some details to be discussed
... there are some details to be discussed ←
15:18:28 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:18:35 <dauwhe> ... before we get into the questions
... before we get into the questions ←
15:18:47 <dauwhe> ... Deborah was a great participant in this discussion
... Deborah was a great participant in this discussion ←
15:18:55 <dauwhe> ... Leonard has sent regrets
... Leonard has sent regrets ←
15:19:05 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: that was a good summary
Deborah Kaplan: that was a good summary ←
15:19:06 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:19:09 <mgylling> ack brady
Markus Gylling: ack brady ←
15:19:11 <dauwhe> ... and of the points that are still pending
... and of the points that are still pending ←
15:19:32 <dauwhe> brady_duga: how is our definition of web document different from other definitions
Brady Duga: how is our definition of web document different from other definitions ←
15:19:43 <dauwhe> ivan: which other definition are you referring to?
Ivan Herman: which other definition are you referring to? ←
15:19:46 <dauwhe> brady_duga: OK
Brady Duga: OK ←
15:19:59 <dauwhe> ... if you just google web document wikipedia points to an old w3c spec
... if you just google web document wikipedia points to an old w3c spec ←
15:20:02 <dkaplan3> q+
Deborah Kaplan: q+ ←
15:20:09 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:20:10 <dauwhe> ... and it sounds a lot of what we already did
... and it sounds a lot of what we already did ←
15:20:22 <dauwhe> ivan: I think I remember dkaplan3 went through those
Ivan Herman: I think I remember dkaplan3 went through those ←
15:20:31 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: the problem is that it's not the same
Deborah Kaplan: the problem is that it's not the same ←
15:20:31 <mgylling> ack dkaplan
Markus Gylling: ack dkaplan ←
15:20:39 <dauwhe> ... we're dealing with 2 industries
... we're dealing with 2 industries ←
15:20:49 <dauwhe> ... with two different meanings for documents
... with two different meanings for documents ←
15:20:56 <dauwhe> ... publishing is diff. than web at large
... publishing is diff. than web at large ←
15:21:07 <dauwhe> ... the terms we came up with are not the same as what w3c has
... the terms we came up with are not the same as what w3c has ←
15:21:16 <dauwhe> ... document as a resource
... document as a resource ←
15:21:27 <dauwhe> ... a way of defining a particular package of bits
... a way of defining a particular package of bits ←
15:21:50 <dauwhe> ... document has intention, some intellectual thing attached unlike w3c definition
... document has intention, some intellectual thing attached unlike w3c definition ←
15:22:10 <dauwhe> ... we are doing this because we are publishers who use English in this way
... we are doing this because we are publishers who use English in this way ←
15:22:22 <dauwhe> ... the web uses the same words in different ways
... the web uses the same words in different ways ←
15:22:42 <dauwhe> ... so our definition should be different than w3c definition
... so our definition should be different than w3c definition ←
15:22:52 <dauwhe> ivan: there is no widely accepted w3c definition
Ivan Herman: there is no widely accepted w3c definition ←
15:22:58 <dauwhe> ... they are not fundamental to w3c
... they are not fundamental to w3c ←
15:22:59 <mgylling> ack mgylling
Markus Gylling: ack mgylling ←
15:23:06 <dauwhe> mgylling: two questions
Markus Gylling: two questions ←
15:23:11 <dauwhe> ... web documents
... web documents ←
15:23:30 <dauwhe> ... it strikes me that if you read it quickly it's not a very specific difference
... it strikes me that if you read it quickly it's not a very specific difference ←
15:23:42 <dauwhe> ... we should highlight identifiability
... we should highlight identifiability ←
15:23:55 <dauwhe> ... you point it out, but only implicitly
... you point it out, but only implicitly ←
15:24:06 <dauwhe> ... maybe one of the bullets should call that out
... maybe one of the bullets should call that out ←
15:24:19 <dauwhe> ... "one URI" used to reference all the resources within the document
... "one URI" used to reference all the resources within the document ←
15:24:25 <dauwhe> ... that's quite explosive stuff
... that's quite explosive stuff ←
15:24:37 <dauwhe> ... there are 200 web pages that should be addressable by one URI
... there are 200 web pages that should be addressable by one URI ←
15:24:40 <mgylling> ack Bill
Markus Gylling: ack Bill ←
15:24:57 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: so pleased to hear Brady and Deborah say those things
Bill Kasdorf: so pleased to hear Brady and Deborah say those things ←
15:25:03 <dauwhe> ... I'm coming from publishing side
... I'm coming from publishing side ←
15:25:11 <dauwhe> ... from the web side
... from the web side ←
15:25:26 <dauwhe> ... whether or not there's an authoriatiive definition from w3c
... whether or not there's an authoriatiive definition from w3c ←
15:25:29 <dauwhe> ... the word is used a lot
... the word is used a lot ←
15:25:37 <dauwhe> ... when we talk about heirarchy of headings
... when we talk about heirarchy of headings ←
15:25:46 <dauwhe> ... the top level section is an h1
... the top level section is an h1 ←
15:25:49 <dauwhe> ... the next is h2
... the next is h2 ←
15:25:53 <dauwhe> ... and that's in your document
... and that's in your document ←
15:25:59 <dauwhe> ... when you have a book with 20 chapters
... when you have a book with 20 chapters ←
15:26:05 <dauwhe> ... and each chapte is a document
... and each chapte is a document ←
15:26:14 <dauwhe> ... or a magazine with 20 independent articles
... or a magazine with 20 independent articles ←
15:26:22 <dauwhe> ... the h1 has to be the title of the book
... the h1 has to be the title of the book ←
15:26:33 <dauwhe> ... I say no, my document is my chapter or article
... I say no, my document is my chapter or article ←
15:26:36 <dauwhe> ... now we have a problem
... now we have a problem ←
15:26:43 <dauwhe> ... i think the web is saying
... i think the web is saying ←
15:26:58 <dauwhe> ... that s the document but not the publication
... that s the document but not the publication ←
15:27:10 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:27:17 <dauwhe> ivan: just to make it clear
Ivan Herman: just to make it clear ←
15:27:32 <dauwhe> ... what you would prefer
... what you would prefer ←
15:27:42 <dauwhe> ... is that we talk about web publications as a collection of resources
... is that we talk about web publications as a collection of resources ←
15:27:50 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: documents are parts of publications
Bill Kasdorf: documents are parts of publications ←
15:28:01 <dauwhe> ... but a web pub could be a single document
... but a web pub could be a single document ←
15:28:07 <dauwhe> ivan: I am ok with both
Ivan Herman: I am ok with both ←
15:28:22 <dauwhe> ... we need order in how we make such a decision
... we need order in how we make such a decision ←
15:29:05 <dauwhe> ivan: I haven't seen any major change
Ivan Herman: I haven't seen any major change ←
15:29:16 <dauwhe> ... after a hundred emails I don't just make a change on the fly
... after a hundred emails I don't just make a change on the fly ←
15:29:33 <dauwhe> mgylling: we do have a quorum here today; we can barge ahead
Markus Gylling: we do have a quorum here today; we can barge ahead ←
15:30:18 <TimCole> q+
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Unknown TimCole: q+ ←
15:30:26 <pkra> dauwhe: tend to think of these things as: we make publications and split them up for historic reasons (limitations)
Dave Cramer: tend to think of these things as: we make publications and split them up for historic reasons (limitations) [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:30:32 <pkra> ... mostly technical limitations.
Peter Krautzberger: ... mostly technical limitations. ←
15:30:34 <dkaplan3> q+
Deborah Kaplan: q+ ←
15:30:43 <pkra> ... e.g., html5 files
Peter Krautzberger: ... e.g., html5 files ←
15:31:06 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I know lots of people who make an entire book with a single content document
Bill Kasdorf: I know lots of people who make an entire book with a single content document ←
15:31:06 <pkra> (took over scribing a bit)
Peter Krautzberger: (took over scribing a bit) ←
15:31:13 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:31:29 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: it's clearer with magazines, where they are indepenent
Bill Kasdorf: it's clearer with magazines, where they are indepenent ←
15:31:30 <mgylling> ack TimC
Markus Gylling: ack TimC ←
15:31:43 <dauwhe> TimCole: with regards to bills last comment
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Unknown TimCole: with regards to bills last comment ←
15:31:52 <dauwhe> ... it's not just the way the content provider thing
... it's not just the way the content provider thing ←
15:32:02 <dauwhe> ... it's what needs to have identity
... it's what needs to have identity ←
15:32:09 <dauwhe> ... like http URIs
... like http URIs ←
15:32:28 <dauwhe> ... there may be a subsequent edition with a URI
... there may be a subsequent edition with a URI ←
15:32:46 <dauwhe> ... and there will people who will think of the two things together as a thing
... and there will people who will think of the two things together as a thing ←
15:32:56 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to the identity concept as critical
Bill Kasdorf: +1 to the identity concept as critical ←
15:33:04 <mgylling> ack dkap
Markus Gylling: ack dkap ←
15:33:05 <dauwhe> ... we have to be careful
... we have to be careful ←
15:33:21 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: searching for the perfect word is not going to work
Deborah Kaplan: searching for the perfect word is not going to work ←
15:33:31 <dauwhe> ... just make it clear we define our terms in our namespace
... just make it clear we define our terms in our namespace ←
15:33:40 <dauwhe> ... we'll be dealing with people who use terms different
... we'll be dealing with people who use terms different ←
15:33:46 <dauwhe> ... web folk will read "webbily"
... web folk will read "webbily" ←
15:34:00 <dauwhe> ... publisher who does lots of anthologies will look at collections
... publisher who does lots of anthologies will look at collections ←
15:34:15 <dauwhe> ... the author of one essay will define their contribution as a document
... the author of one essay will define their contribution as a document ←
15:34:36 <dauwhe> ... we can't find a word that will work across all the horizontals
... we can't find a word that will work across all the horizontals ←
15:34:44 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:34:50 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:34:54 <dauwhe> ... any product of DPUB uses the terms as definedd in this glossary
... any product of DPUB uses the terms as definedd in this glossary ←
15:35:02 <dauwhe> ... this is a namespace problem
... this is a namespace problem ←
15:35:22 <mgylling> ack BillK
Markus Gylling: ack BillK ←
15:35:29 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I agree with dkaplan3
Bill Kasdorf: I agree with dkaplan3 ←
15:35:44 <dauwhe> ... but if you agree we use it one way we can't use it the other way
... but if you agree we use it one way we can't use it the other way ←
15:35:50 <dauwhe> ... you invite confusion
... you invite confusion ←
15:35:53 <mgylling> q+
Markus Gylling: q+ ←
15:36:00 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:36:10 <dauwhe> ... the word document creates so much confusion
... the word document creates so much confusion ←
15:36:14 <mgylling> ack mgylling
Markus Gylling: ack mgylling ←
15:36:21 <dauwhe> ... use publication as the aggretation
... use publication as the aggretation ←
15:36:27 <dauwhe> mgylling: I agree with you dkaplan3
Markus Gylling: I agree with you dkaplan3 ←
15:36:38 <dauwhe> ... in my world document is very loaded already
... in my world document is very loaded already ←
15:36:43 <dauwhe> ... a very specific thing in html
... a very specific thing in html ←
15:36:55 <dauwhe> ... we are maybe inviting more confusion than necessary
... we are maybe inviting more confusion than necessary ←
15:37:10 <dauwhe> ... but we should be very clear it's in our namespec
... but we should be very clear it's in our namespec ←
15:37:24 <dauwhe> ivan: if there is anyone who will mildly criticize me if I change to publication?
Ivan Herman: if there is anyone who will mildly criticize me if I change to publication? ←
15:37:29 <TimCole> +1
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Unknown TimCole: +1 ←
15:37:30 <dkaplan3> +1
Deborah Kaplan: +1 ←
15:37:31 <pkra> +1
Peter Krautzberger: +1 ←
15:37:31 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:37:31 <HeatherF> +1
Heather Flanagan: +1 ←
15:37:32 <mgylling> +1
Markus Gylling: +1 ←
15:37:33 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to publication
Bill Kasdorf: +1 to publication ←
15:37:34 <brady_duga> +1
Brady Duga: +1 ←
15:37:39 <dauwhe> mgylling: IRC poll--plus one if you want to change to publication
Markus Gylling: IRC poll--plus one if you want to change to publication ←
15:37:46 <Julie_Morris> +1
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Unknown Julie_Morris: +1 ←
15:37:57 <dauwhe> ... why did we argue for ten minutes if we all agree? ;)
... why did we argue for ten minutes if we all agree? ;) ←
15:38:00 <pkra> because Ivan is awesome.
Peter Krautzberger: because Ivan is awesome. ←
15:38:00 <dauwhe> ivan: can i move on?
Ivan Herman: can i move on? ←
15:38:14 <dauwhe> ... what I also did is that I took the epubweb document
... what I also did is that I took the epubweb document ←
15:38:19 <mgylling> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwd/
Markus Gylling: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwd/ ←
15:38:26 <dauwhe> ... and I tried to use the new terminology
... and I tried to use the new terminology ←
15:38:43 <dauwhe> ... we do want a FPWD
... we do want a FPWD ←
15:38:49 <dauwhe> ... it's no longer a white paper
... it's no longer a white paper ←
15:39:13 <dauwhe> ... it would be helpful if you all could review this document and provide feedback and/or pull request
... it would be helpful if you all could review this document and provide feedback and/or pull request ←
15:39:23 <dauwhe> ... havinga stake in the ground is important
... havinga stake in the ground is important ←
15:39:30 <dauwhe> ... the next term is not yet closed
... the next term is not yet closed ←
15:39:42 <dauwhe> ... what is identifier
... what is identifier ←
15:39:51 <dauwhe> ... do we mean URI
... do we mean URI ←
15:39:55 <dauwhe> ... do we mean something else
... do we mean something else ←
15:40:00 <dauwhe> ... how do we use these terms
... how do we use these terms ←
15:40:06 <dauwhe> ... Bill_Kasdorf will love this topic
... Bill_Kasdorf will love this topic ←
15:40:10 <dauwhe> ... let's not start now
... let's not start now ←
15:40:18 <dauwhe> ... there is also the issue of semantics
... there is also the issue of semantics ←
15:40:24 <dauwhe> ... my background is in semantics
... my background is in semantics ←
15:40:42 <dauwhe> ... maybe we want to have a clear idea of what we mean by semantics, metadata...
... maybe we want to have a clear idea of what we mean by semantics, metadata... ←
15:40:47 <dauwhe> ... even in world of metadata
... even in world of metadata ←
15:41:02 <Bill_Kasdorf> Re "semantics," I think we should clearly make the distinction between "structural semantics" and "content semantics."
Bill Kasdorf: Re "semantics," I think we should clearly make the distinction between "structural semantics" and "content semantics." ←
15:41:22 <dauwhe> ... the pub world using the term reading system
... the pub world using the term reading system ←
15:41:30 <dauwhe> ... web world talks about browsers
... web world talks about browsers ←
15:41:50 <dauwhe> ... we should settle this for the future
... we should settle this for the future ←
15:42:05 <dauwhe> ... state of a portable web publication
... state of a portable web publication ←
15:42:10 <dauwhe> ... we talked about offline and online
... we talked about offline and online ←
15:42:15 <Bill_Kasdorf> Re reading system vs. browser, how about "renderer" or "rendering agent"?
Bill Kasdorf: Re reading system vs. browser, how about "renderer" or "rendering agent"? ←
15:42:22 <dauwhe> ... we realize that there are two dimensions
... we realize that there are two dimensions ←
15:42:43 <dauwhe> ... one is whether we talk about a set of web resrouces spread over filesystem or URI
... one is whether we talk about a set of web resrouces spread over filesystem or URI ←
15:42:53 <dauwhe> ... or whether they are packaged into one format/package
... or whether they are packaged into one format/package ←
15:43:06 <dauwhe> ... for millions of reasons the notion of packageing is important
... for millions of reasons the notion of packageing is important ←
15:43:11 <dauwhe> ... for distribution etc
... for distribution etc ←
15:43:23 <dauwhe> ... the portable web is packaged or unpackaged... that's one dimension
... the portable web is packaged or unpackaged... that's one dimension ←
15:43:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> e.g. a Braille rendering agent renders the publication in Braille (i.e., rendering doesn't need to mean visual, and we could define it as such in the glossary)
Bill Kasdorf: e.g. a Braille rendering agent renders the publication in Braille (i.e., rendering doesn't need to mean visual, and we could define it as such in the glossary) ←
15:43:38 <dauwhe> ... the other area is online vs offline and what it really means
... the other area is online vs offline and what it really means ←
15:43:54 <dauwhe> ... its not clear what we mean by offline and online
... its not clear what we mean by offline and online ←
15:44:10 <dauwhe> ... could be http online vs no http offline but that's not true
... could be http online vs no http offline but that's not true ←
15:44:14 <dauwhe> ... I could use localhost
... I could use localhost ←
15:44:26 <dauwhe> ... how do these things relate?
... how do these things relate? ←
15:44:35 <dauwhe> ... if we use on/offline we run into issue
... if we use on/offline we run into issue ←
15:44:54 <dauwhe> ... I say what's important we HTTP-based protocols or filesystem protocols
... I say what's important we HTTP-based protocols or filesystem protocols ←
15:45:05 <dauwhe> ... whether HTTP is local or not is less interesting
... whether HTTP is local or not is less interesting ←
15:45:06 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to the distinction between http vs. file system access
Bill Kasdorf: +1 to the distinction between http vs. file system access ←
15:45:22 <dauwhe> ... I would ask brady_duga
... I would ask brady_duga ←
15:45:22 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:45:29 <dauwhe> ... in both cases we had Leonard
... in both cases we had Leonard ←
15:45:46 <dauwhe> brady_duga: why is it important to determine which protocol accesses things
Brady Duga: why is it important to determine which protocol accesses things ←
15:45:59 <dauwhe> ... as a user the question is whether the pub is completely available
... as a user the question is whether the pub is completely available ←
15:46:05 <dauwhe> ...how I access that doesn't matter
...how I access that doesn't matter ←
15:46:27 <dauwhe> ... you could have a remote publication
... you could have a remote publication ←
15:46:40 <dauwhe> ... I don't know what this distinction is important
... I don't know what this distinction is important ←
15:46:44 <dauwhe> ivan: my feeling is
Ivan Herman: my feeling is ←
15:46:50 <dauwhe> ... when it comes to user agent side
... when it comes to user agent side ←
15:46:58 <dauwhe> ... the architecture of the user agent
... the architecture of the user agent ←
15:47:03 <dauwhe> ... things like service workers
... things like service workers ←
15:47:08 <dauwhe> ... when we think about identifiers
... when we think about identifiers ←
15:47:17 <dauwhe> ... that's where the difference comes in
... that's where the difference comes in ←
15:47:27 <dauwhe> ... i agree the distinction is unimportant for reader
... i agree the distinction is unimportant for reader ←
15:47:33 <dauwhe> ... but important in how things are realized
... but important in how things are realized ←
15:47:41 <dauwhe> brady_duga: yes, for a browser that is true
Brady Duga: yes, for a browser that is true ←
15:47:47 <dauwhe> ... for a reading system
... for a reading system ←
15:47:52 <dauwhe> ... there will be access issues
... there will be access issues ←
15:47:59 <dauwhe> ... they will have to do different things
... they will have to do different things ←
15:48:03 <dauwhe> ivan: that's what I concentrate on
Ivan Herman: that's what I concentrate on ←
15:48:07 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:48:07 <dauwhe> mgylling: OK
Markus Gylling: OK ←
15:48:31 <dauwhe> ... what are pain thresold for FPWD?
... what are pain thresold for FPWD? ←
15:48:40 <dauwhe> ... how much do we want to settle before FPWD
... how much do we want to settle before FPWD ←
15:48:42 <dauwhe> ivan: two issues
Ivan Herman: two issues ←
15:48:54 <dauwhe> ... publication vs document, we solved that
... publication vs document, we solved that ←
15:49:20 <dauwhe> ... in the document I have added some additional wording on the kind of issue dkaplan3 alluded to, about context
... in the document I have added some additional wording on the kind of issue dkaplan3 alluded to, about context ←
15:49:25 <dauwhe> ... there is another aspect
... there is another aspect ←
15:49:41 <dauwhe> ... orthogonal to what we already did
... orthogonal to what we already did ←
15:49:58 <dauwhe> ... I tried to make the whole concept independant of EPUB
... I tried to make the whole concept independant of EPUB ←
15:50:16 <dauwhe> ... the criticism was that it was describing EPUB4
... the criticism was that it was describing EPUB4 ←
15:50:43 <dauwhe> ... so I tried to make this weaker, although the dependance on EPUB is still there
... so I tried to make this weaker, although the dependance on EPUB is still there ←
15:50:53 <dauwhe> ... we don't want to provide a bad message to the industry
... we don't want to provide a bad message to the industry ←
15:50:58 <dauwhe> ... there is a fine line there
... there is a fine line there ←
15:51:25 <dauwhe> ... we don't know what Leonard wants to do
... we don't know what Leonard wants to do ←
15:51:31 <dauwhe> ... that will happen this week
... that will happen this week ←
15:51:33 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:51:39 <dauwhe> ... that's probably the biggest remaining issue
... that's probably the biggest remaining issue ←
15:52:05 <dauwhe> ... once this is done we can publish a FPWD
... once this is done we can publish a FPWD ←
15:52:06 <Bill_Kasdorf> fyi in discussions on the magazine side and separately on the journals side there is a strong desire to include file types in a publication that EPUB currently doesn't allow
Bill Kasdorf: fyi in discussions on the magazine side and separately on the journals side there is a strong desire to include file types in a publication that EPUB currently doesn't allow ←
15:53:15 <dauwhe> mgylling: for the other IG members, what kind of inputs would you want between now and FPWD?
Markus Gylling: for the other IG members, what kind of inputs would you want between now and FPWD? ←
15:53:25 <dauwhe> ivan: for FPWD, general review is good
Ivan Herman: for FPWD, general review is good ←
15:53:32 <dauwhe> ... nothing specific
... nothing specific ←
15:53:51 <dauwhe> mgylling: do we want to look at time here, given pub moratoriums around TPAC?
Markus Gylling: do we want to look at time here, given pub moratoriums around TPAC? ←
15:54:02 <dauwhe> ivan: I would love if there was an agreement on the content at the meeting next week
Ivan Herman: I would love if there was an agreement on the content at the meeting next week ←
15:54:20 <dauwhe> ... because it's a fpwd the IG must resolve to publish
... because it's a fpwd the IG must resolve to publish ←
15:54:34 <dauwhe> ... we'll see if it can be done by next Monday
... we'll see if it can be done by next Monday ←
15:54:41 <dauwhe> ... still OK if it goes to the next Monday
... still OK if it goes to the next Monday ←
15:55:13 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:55:37 <pkra> non-benevolent?
Peter Krautzberger: non-benevolent? ←
15:55:46 <dauwhe> mgylling: since we have a few minutes left
Markus Gylling: since we have a few minutes left ←
15:55:56 <dauwhe> ... I'm looking at wiki
... I'm looking at wiki ←
15:56:04 <dauwhe> ... next-to-last bullet confuses me
... next-to-last bullet confuses me ←
15:56:06 <mgylling> “A Web Resource in a Web Document is Portable if an OWP compliant user agent can render its essential content by relying essentially on the Web Resources within the same Web Document”
Markus Gylling: “A Web Resource in a Web Document is Portable if an OWP compliant user agent can render its essential content by relying essentially on the Web Resources within the same Web Document” ←
15:56:16 <dauwhe> ... this line confuses me
... this line confuses me ←
15:56:25 <dauwhe> ... the trailing end... what does it mean
... the trailing end... what does it mean ←
15:56:36 <dauwhe> ivan: this means that when I produce a PWP
Ivan Herman: this means that when I produce a PWP ←
15:56:53 <dauwhe> ... all the things that are essential like CSS and JS are part of that portable publication
... all the things that are essential like CSS and JS are part of that portable publication ←
15:57:21 <dauwhe> ... an extreme case would be everything should be in the PWP, but things like fonts are perhaps not as essential
... an extreme case would be everything should be in the PWP, but things like fonts are perhaps not as essential ←
15:57:23 <dauwhe> mgylling: ok
Markus Gylling: ok ←
15:57:44 <dauwhe> ... can a web resource be "without" a web document rather than "within"
... can a web resource be "without" a web document rather than "within" ←
15:57:51 <dauwhe> ivan: the web doc might refer to fonts
Ivan Herman: the web doc might refer to fonts ←
15:58:05 <dauwhe> ... are the font files themselves part of the web doc, or elsewhere on the web?
... are the font files themselves part of the web doc, or elsewhere on the web? ←
15:58:20 <dauwhe> ... it should be portable even if the fonts aren't with it
... it should be portable even if the fonts aren't with it ←
15:58:35 <dauwhe> ... but in some cases the font file must be part of the doc
... but in some cases the font file must be part of the doc ←
15:58:40 <dauwhe> ... an epub example
... an epub example ←
15:58:44 <dauwhe> ... for some epubs
... for some epubs ←
15:58:48 <dauwhe> ... a scientific book
... a scientific book ←
15:59:01 <dauwhe> ... the data might have to be part of the book because I interact with it
... the data might have to be part of the book because I interact with it ←
15:59:08 <dauwhe> ... in other cases it's ok if the data is on the web
... in other cases it's ok if the data is on the web ←
15:59:11 <dauwhe> mgylling: of course
Markus Gylling: of course ←
15:59:28 <dauwhe> ... so you have a portable web doc exploded online
... so you have a portable web doc exploded online ←
15:59:33 <dauwhe> ... so what does it mean then
... so what does it mean then ←
15:59:41 <dauwhe> ivan: is it part of the set or not?
Ivan Herman: is it part of the set or not? ←
15:59:55 <dauwhe> ... everything that's necessary for that web document must be part of the set
... everything that's necessary for that web document must be part of the set ←
16:00:06 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: can some be offline or online?
Bill Kasdorf: can some be offline or online? ←
16:00:25 <dauwhe> ivan: then it's not portable
Ivan Herman: then it's not portable ←
16:00:32 <dauwhe> mgylling: I'll try to clarify in an email
Markus Gylling: I'll try to clarify in an email ←
16:01:02 <dauwhe> All: thanks and bye
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16:04:51 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:05:30 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
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