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14:52:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:52:16 <trackbot> Date: 31 August 2015
14:52:17 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
14:52:36 <ivan> Regrets: Ben, Ayla
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14:53:04 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/3ef7300e473f4bceb360a7453e5acb75@CAR-WNMBP-006.wiley.com
14:56:27 <dauwhe> present+ Dave_Cramer
Dave Cramer: present+ Dave_Cramer ←
14:57:00 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya_Siegman
Tzviya Siegman: present+ Tzviya_Siegman ←
14:57:11 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Aug/0173.html
14:59:52 <pkra> +present Peter Krautzberger
Peter Krautzberger: +present Peter Krautzberger ←
14:59:58 <ivan> Present+ Michael_Miller
Ivan Herman: Present+ Michael_Miller ←
14:59:58 <brady_duga> present+ duga
Brady Duga: present+ duga ←
15:00:17 <ivan> Present+ Heather
Ivan Herman: Present+ Heather ←
15:00:18 <dkaplan3> present+ Deborah_Kaplan
Deborah Kaplan: present+ Deborah_Kaplan ←
15:00:19 <HeatherF> present+ Heather_Flanagan
Heather Flanagan: present+ Heather_Flanagan ←
15:00:40 <ivan> Present+ Luc_Audrain
Ivan Herman: Present+ Luc_Audrain ←
15:00:48 <ivan> Present+ Charles
Ivan Herman: Present+ Charles ←
15:00:54 <HeatherF> Noooo! Scribing is scary!
Heather Flanagan: Noooo! Scribing is scary! ←
15:01:01 <ivan> Present+ Alan_Stearns
Ivan Herman: Present+ Alan_Stearns ←
15:01:02 <pkra> I could scribe.
Peter Krautzberger: I could scribe. ←
15:01:40 <pkra> noise?
Peter Krautzberger: noise? ←
15:01:51 <ivan> Present+ Vlad
Ivan Herman: Present+ Vlad ←
15:01:59 <HeatherF> That was Vladimir
Heather Flanagan: That was Vladimir ←
15:02:00 <pkra> brady?
Peter Krautzberger: brady? ←
15:02:02 <pkra> ah
Peter Krautzberger: ah ←
15:02:03 <astearns> vladimir's line is noisy
Alan Stearns: vladimir's line is noisy ←
15:02:06 <brady_duga> Not me
Brady Duga: Not me ←
15:02:09 <brady_duga> I am muted
Brady Duga: I am muted ←
15:02:18 <Vlad> I am on mute now
Vladimir Levantovsky: I am on mute now ←
15:02:20 <tzviya> scribenick: peter
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15:02:29 <mgylling> Present+ Markus Gylling
Markus Gylling: Present+ Markus Gylling ←
15:02:31 <Vlad> Are you still getting noise from my line?
Vladimir Levantovsky: Are you still getting noise from my line? ←
15:02:32 <ivan> scribenick: pkra
(Scribe set to Peter Krautzberger)
15:02:35 <Vlad> present+
Vladimir Levantovsky: present+ ←
15:02:38 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/24-dpub-minutes.html
Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/2015/08/24-dpub-minutes.html ←
15:02:46 <pkra> tzviya: re last week's minutes.
Tzviya Siegman: re last week's minutes. ←
15:02:48 <pkra> ... any comments?
... any comments? ←
15:02:57 <pkra> ... minutes are approved
... minutes are approved ←
15:03:01 <ivan> Present+ Julie
Ivan Herman: Present+ Julie ←
15:03:10 <Julie_Morris> Present + Julie_Morris
Julie Morris: Present + Julie_Morris ←
15:03:12 <ivan> Present+ Paul
Ivan Herman: Present+ Paul ←
15:03:22 <pkra> ... CSSWG was busy last week.
... CSSWG was busy last week. ←
15:03:28 <pbelfanti> Present + Paul_Belfanti
Paul Belfanti: Present + Paul_Belfanti ←
15:03:56 <pkra> dauwhe: fair amount of discussion about issues of interest to DPUB
Dave Cramer: fair amount of discussion about issues of interest to DPUB ←
15:03:59 <pkra> ... esp. pagination
... esp. pagination ←
15:04:10 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
Timothy Cole: Present+ Tim_Cole ←
15:04:11 <laudrain> present Luc
Luc Audrain: present Luc ←
15:04:16 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf
Bill Kasdorf: present+ Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:04:20 <ivan> Present+ Chris
Ivan Herman: Present+ Chris ←
15:04:22 <tzviya> present+ Luc
Tzviya Siegman: present+ Luc ←
15:04:26 <pkra> ... several results.
... several results. ←
15:04:43 <pkra> ... first) missing pieces to get from document to displaying stuff in a viewport / page.
... first) missing pieces to get from document to displaying stuff in a viewport / page. ←
15:04:53 <pkra> ... work has started on new spec to bridge that gap.
... work has started on new spec to bridge that gap. ←
15:05:01 <Karen_> present+ Karen
Karen Myers: present+ Karen ←
15:05:08 <pkra> ... esp. for multiple streams of contents flowing into different templates
... esp. for multiple streams of contents flowing into different templates ←
15:05:17 <pkra> ... seems to be missing part of the conceptual model of CSS.
... seems to be missing part of the conceptual model of CSS. ←
15:05:41 <pkra> ... also a sense from browser vendors that pagination is more an application feature, not platform feature.
... also a sense from browser vendors that pagination is more an application feature, not platform feature. ←
15:06:02 <pkra> ... esp. one specific vendor took this position despite having region etc in their engine.
... esp. one specific vendor took this position despite having region etc in their engine. ←
15:06:16 <pkra> tzviya: popularity contest?
Tzviya Siegman: popularity contest? ←
15:06:34 <ivan> present+ Thierry
Ivan Herman: present+ Thierry ←
15:06:40 <ivan> Present+ Nick
Ivan Herman: Present+ Nick ←
15:06:44 <pkra> dauwhe: recurring theme: interests of people who don't work for browsers seem different to those of people at browsers cos
Dave Cramer: recurring theme: interests of people who don't work for browsers seem different to those of people at browsers cos ←
15:06:55 <pkra> ... also related to Houdini features.
... also related to Houdini features. ←
15:06:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:07:08 <pbelfanti> And if other platform developers jumped off the George Washington Bridge, would they do that too?
Paul Belfanti: And if other platform developers jumped off the George Washington Bridge, would they do that too? ←
15:07:11 <pkra> ... browser vendors quite different as compared to present non-browser folks.
... browser vendors quite different as compared to present non-browser folks. ←
15:07:16 <pbelfanti> As my mother used to say…
Paul Belfanti: As my mother used to say… ←
15:07:26 <tzviya> ack Bill
Tzviya Siegman: ack Bill ←
15:07:45 <ivan> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: Present+ Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:08:11 <ivan> Present+ Zheng_Xu
Ivan Herman: Present+ Zheng_Xu ←
15:08:20 <pkra> Bill_Kasdorf: curious re interests from browser vs non-browsers. Maybe some more info? How many non-browser devs etc.
Bill Kasdorf: curious re interests from browser vs non-browsers. Maybe some more info? How many non-browser devs etc. ←
15:08:30 <pkra> ... not really publishers, correct?
... not really publishers, correct? ←
15:09:15 <pkra> dauwhe: yes, not many people from publishing sphere
Dave Cramer: yes, not many people from publishing sphere ←
15:09:28 <pkra> ... most non-browser people were representing web developers.
... most non-browser people were representing web developers. ←
15:10:13 <pkra> ???: agreeing with dauwhe.
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15:10:19 <pkra> ... also talked about custom layout.
... also talked about custom layout. ←
15:10:23 <ivan> s/???/Alan/
15:10:54 <pkra> ... agreement about spec is sketchy so far and does little for fragmentation, hence pagination
... agreement about spec is sketchy so far and does little for fragmentation, hence pagination ←
15:11:23 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:11:24 <pkra> Chris: Agreement with that. They run into this all over hte place
Chris Lilley: Agreement with that. They run into this all over hte place ←
15:11:52 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
15:12:02 <pkra> dauwhe: agreed. Example from Johannes Wilm, mentioning repeatedly how detecting fragmentation would make his work infinitely simpler.
Dave Cramer: agreed. Example from Johannes Wilm, mentioning repeatedly how detecting fragmentation would make his work infinitely simpler. ←
15:12:27 <pkra> Ivan: what's the difference between fragmentation (vs pagination)
Ivan Herman: what's the difference between fragmentation (vs pagination) ←
15:12:44 <pkra> Chris: other fragments are columns.
Chris Lilley: other fragments are columns. ←
15:12:55 <tzviya> present+ Bert
Tzviya Siegman: present+ Bert ←
15:13:03 <pkra> dauwhe: fragmentation is splitting up content between container.
Dave Cramer: fragmentation is splitting up content between container. ←
15:13:09 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:13:15 <pkra> ... so more advanced on the "splitting up" part then the container part.
... so more advanced on the "splitting up" part then the container part. ←
15:13:26 <tzviya> ack bi
Tzviya Siegman: ack bi ←
15:13:51 <pkra> Bill_Kasdorf: are fragments seen as things that are created dynamically during rendering or inherent in the structure of the document?
Bill Kasdorf: are fragments seen as things that are created dynamically during rendering or inherent in the structure of the document? ←
15:14:01 <pkra> Chris: the former.
Chris Lilley: the former. ←
15:14:11 <mgylling> q+
Markus Gylling: q+ ←
15:14:14 <tzviya> ack mg
Tzviya Siegman: ack mg ←
15:15:03 <pkra> mgylling: we noted a while back that we didn't even know which part will fix pagination (Houdini, existing modules,s omething else).
Markus Gylling: we noted a while back that we didn't even know which part will fix pagination (Houdini, existing modules,s omething else). ←
15:15:13 <pkra> ... is this more clear? Do we know where to put our efforts?
... is this more clear? Do we know where to put our efforts? ←
15:15:28 <pkra> dauwhe: "slightly less fuzzy"
Dave Cramer: "slightly less fuzzy" ←
15:16:02 <pkra> ... pagination split between overflow spec and not-yet-started spec descirbed above.
... pagination split between overflow spec and not-yet-started spec descirbed above. ←
15:16:24 <pkra> ... on the implementation side, we'll be depending on Houdini to give us the tools to do this ourselves.
... on the implementation side, we'll be depending on Houdini to give us the tools to do this ourselves. ←
15:16:42 <pkra> Alan: we talked explicitly about what's in layout and what's done as API
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Unknown Alan: we talked explicitly about what's in layout and what's done as API ←
15:17:11 <pkra> ... the layout part will probably solve the first 70%. Then Houdini for the rest.
... the layout part will probably solve the first 70%. Then Houdini for the rest. ←
15:17:22 <pkra> Ivan: where is the cut?
Ivan Herman: where is the cut? ←
15:17:35 <pkra> Alan: very simple pagination that interacts with the viewport spec.
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Unknown Alan: very simple pagination that interacts with the viewport spec. ←
15:18:15 <pkra> dauwhe: will give us base pagination. But not more complex like side-by-side, footnotes etc.
Dave Cramer: will give us base pagination. But not more complex like side-by-side, footnotes etc. ←
15:18:19 <pkra> ... probably won't.
... probably won't. ←
15:18:27 <pkra> tzviya: that cuts out all I'm working on ;-)
Tzviya Siegman: that cuts out all I'm working on ;-) ←
15:18:53 <pkra> Alan: maybe a sign of the representatives of the group.
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Unknown Alan: maybe a sign of the representation of the group. ←
15:19:09 <pkra> tzviya: what's the next step? No recognition or too complex?
Tzviya Siegman: what's the next step? No recognition or too complex? ←
15:19:31 <pkra> ... do we revise the great documents that dauwhe has worked on.
... do we revise the great documents that dauwhe has worked on. ←
15:19:36 <astearns> s/representatives/representation/
15:19:45 <pkra> dauwhe: lots of interested people who want to push things forward.
Dave Cramer: lots of interested people who want to push things forward. ←
15:20:18 <pkra> ... maybe subgroups should have calls/meetings to work on such items to hash this out far enough to bring it back to the CSSWG.
... maybe subgroups should have calls/meetings to work on such items to hash this out far enough to bring it back to the CSSWG. ←
15:20:41 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:20:48 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
15:20:59 <pkra> ... that way main group has less noise, and interested people can push things forward.
... that way main group has less noise, and interested people can push things forward. ←
15:21:52 <pkra> Ivan: coming back to "browser vendors regard pagination as application feature". So their view is this should be done via Houdini?
Ivan Herman: coming back to "browser vendors regard pagination as application feature". So their view is this should be done via Houdini? ←
15:22:19 <pkra> Chris: Basically: just not interested in pagination.
Chris Lilley: Basically: just not interested in pagination. ←
15:23:05 <pkra> ... keep in mind that the JS might pick up on markup.
... keep in mind that the JS might pick up on markup. ←
15:23:19 <NickRuffilo> q+
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Unknown NickRuffilo: q+ ←
15:23:30 <pkra> Ivan: so we need to agree on library/common work. How do we create a library?
Ivan Herman: so we need to agree on library/common work. How do we create a library? ←
15:23:42 <pkra> ???: there are already a few people doing this.
Brady Duga: there are already a few people doing this. ←
15:23:54 <pkra> Ivan: are they just built in deeply into reading systems?
Ivan Herman: are they just built in deeply into reading systems? ←
15:24:17 <ivan> s/???/Brady
15:24:17 <pkra> ???: deep, e.g., in Readium.
Brady Duga: deep, e.g., in Readium. ←
15:24:33 <ivan> s/???/Brady
15:24:57 <pkra> Alan: some libraries could provide a basis for specialized library.
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Unknown Alan: some libraries could provide a basis for specialized library. ←
15:25:12 <pkra> ... e.g., bookjs, FS(?)
... e.g., bookjs, FT(?) ←
15:25:19 <astearns> s/FS/FT/
15:25:46 <tzviya> ack ni
Tzviya Siegman: ack ni ←
15:26:01 <pkra> Ivan: is it worth doing though?
Ivan Herman: is it worth doing though? ←
15:26:19 <pkra> Nick: fully worth showing a proof of concept. But it's already out there in most reading systems.
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Unknown Nick: fully worth showing a proof of concept. But it's already out there in most reading systems. ←
15:26:33 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:26:40 <pkra> ... having a better tool would be great though.
... having a better tool would be great though. ←
15:26:56 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
15:26:57 <pkra> ... reach out to anyone doing open source (Readium etc).
... reach out to anyone doing open source (Readium etc). ←
15:27:08 <pkra> ... ask them if they can compartmentalize this.
... ask them if they can compartmentalize this. ←
15:27:20 <tzviya> ack ic
Tzviya Siegman: ack ic ←
15:27:22 <tzviya> ack iv
Tzviya Siegman: ack iv ←
15:27:31 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:28:29 <pkra> Ivan: right. In the future, some of the features might be taken up by the browser, some of them better be done via Houdini. So in that new environment, let's look for a new basis.
Ivan Herman: right. In the future, some of the features might be taken up by the browser, some of them better be done via Houdini. So in that new environment, let's look for a new basis. ←
15:28:30 <tzviya> ack dau
Tzviya Siegman: ack dau ←
15:28:43 <pkra> Nick: agreed, reach out to people like Readium.
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Unknown Nick: agreed, reach out to people like Readium. ←
15:29:17 <tzviya> ack brady
Tzviya Siegman: ack brady ←
15:29:27 <pkra> dauwhe: we should get Readium folks to talk to implementors to provide feedback on APIs etc.
Dave Cramer: we should get Readium folks to talk to implementors to provide feedback on APIs etc. ←
15:29:30 <astearns> +1
Alan Stearns: +1 ←
15:29:46 <pkra> brady: +1 to Ivan. We should reach out to implementors such as Readium.
Brady Duga: +1 to Ivan. We should reach out to implementors such as Readium. ←
15:30:19 <pkra> ... right now we have implementations but if you ask implementors, you'll find they would like (very much) to have a better solution.
... right now we have implementations but if you ask implementors, you'll find they would like (very much) to have a better solution. ←
15:30:58 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
15:31:23 <pkra> ... will reach out to other Googlers on the task force.
... will reach out to other Googlers on the task force. ←
15:32:23 <pkra> Ivan: is this progressing ok? Do we need more?
Ivan Herman: is this progressing ok? Do we need more? ←
15:32:34 <pkra> dauwhe: some discussion about exceeding the mandate.
Dave Cramer: some discussion about exceeding the mandate. ←
15:32:52 <pkra> ... started to change the document quite a bit.
... started to change the document quite a bit. ←
15:32:57 <ChrisLilley> q+
Chris Lilley: q+ ←
15:33:02 <tzviya> ack chr
Tzviya Siegman: ack chr ←
15:33:31 <pkra> Chris: I didn't see it as about mandate but about features mixed together.
Chris Lilley: I didn't see it as about mandate but about features mixed together. ←
15:33:46 <pkra> ... e.g., OpenType MATH tables are not related to any spec.
... e.g., OpenType MATH tables are not related to any spec. ←
15:34:15 <tzviya> document under discussion http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-css-priorities-20150820/
Tzviya Siegman: document under discussion http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-css-priorities-20150820/ ←
15:34:43 <pkra> dauwhe: agreed. I already updated the document to reflect input.
Dave Cramer: agreed. I already updated the document to reflect input. ←
15:35:00 <pkra> ... e.g., math is such a large topic, it might warrant a separate doc
... e.g., math is such a large topic, it might warrant a separate doc ←
15:35:03 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:35:11 <pkra> who'd have thunk.
who'd have thunk. ←
15:35:29 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
15:35:36 <pkra> ... feedback regarding math. Requirements so complex that they need to be addressed specifically.
... feedback regarding math. Requirements so complex that they need to be addressed specifically. ←
15:36:17 <pkra> q+
q+ ←
15:36:35 <pkra> Ivan: should we set up a joint meeting with CSSWG in Sapporo?
Ivan Herman: should we set up a joint meeting with CSSWG in Sapporo? ←
15:36:54 <pkra> dauwhe: meeting with very clear, precise agenda would be good.
Dave Cramer: meeting with very clear, precise agenda would be good. ←
15:36:59 <ChrisLilley> +1 to a specific agenda rather than general discussion
Chris Lilley: +1 to a specific agenda rather than general discussion ←
15:37:34 <pkra> Alan: enabling some of the broader/fuzzier items, it would help if people could go through the schedule and plan dial-in as much as possible.
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Unknown Alan: enabling some of the broader/fuzzier items, it would help if people could go through the schedule and plan dial-in as much as possible. ←
15:37:36 <HeatherF> q+
Heather Flanagan: q+ ←
15:37:56 <pkra> ... CSSWG could always benefit from more diverse perspective.
... CSSWG could always benefit from more diverse perspective. ←
15:38:09 <pkra> tzviya: Alan, could you share details?
Tzviya Siegman: Alan, could you share details? ←
15:38:14 <HeatherF> q-
Heather Flanagan: q- ←
15:38:15 <pkra> Alan: will do.
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Unknown Alan: will do. ←
15:39:08 <pkra> tzviya: Would it be helpful to provide more precise examples?
Tzviya Siegman: Would it be helpful to provide more precise examples? ←
15:39:35 <pkra> Alan: often the need is acknowledged. E.g., footnote is clear but without pagination it's not possible to discus.
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Unknown Alan: often the need is acknowledged. E.g., footnote is clear but without pagination it's not possible to discus. ←
15:40:03 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:40:06 <tzviya> ack pk
Tzviya Siegman: ack pk ←
15:40:11 <pkra> tzviya: maybe a little collaboration on how approach the agenda will help.
Tzviya Siegman: maybe a little collaboration on how approach the agenda will help. ←
15:40:49 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
15:41:01 <pkra> pkra: will bring up the discussion on next MathWG call
Peter Krautzberger: will bring up the discussion on next MathWG call ←
15:41:22 <pkra> tzviya: more comments?
Tzviya Siegman: more comments? ←
15:41:29 <pkra> dauwhe: other topics are interesting for DPUB.
Dave Cramer: other topics are interesting for DPUB. ←
15:41:40 <pkra> ... e.g., the paint API could help a lot.
... e.g., the paint API could help a lot. ←
15:41:45 <ChrisLilley> custom paint is going to fpwd soon
Chris Lilley: custom paint is going to fpwd soon ←
15:42:12 <pkra> ... e.g., CSS borders are not very powerful right now. the API could help a lot.
... e.g., CSS borders are not very powerful right now. the API could help a lot. ←
15:42:33 <pkra> ... similarly acknowledgement for font API (even if implementation not happening soon).
... similarly acknowledgement for font API (even if implementation not happening soon). ←
15:42:45 <pkra> (yay on both)
(yay on both) ←
15:43:20 <HeatherF> q+
Heather Flanagan: q+ ←
15:43:25 <pkra> Ivan: not sure how to convince browser vendors that to more seriously consider use cases from this community.
Ivan Herman: not sure how to convince browser vendors that to more seriously consider use cases from this community. ←
15:43:26 <tzviya> ack heather
Tzviya Siegman: ack heather ←
15:43:30 <pkra> with pitchforks?
with pitchforks? ←
15:44:12 <pkra> Heather: not sure about application vs layout level.
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Unknown Heather: not sure about application vs layout level. ←
15:44:27 <pkra> ... the browser often is the application.
... the browser often is the application. ←
15:44:40 <Jeff_Xu> q+
15:45:29 <pkra> Alan: people read in browsers. Scrolling is dominant. People read paginated in reading systems. We argue that this is a standard way of reading. Browsers take the view: the web developer should do the heavy lifting.
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Unknown Alan: people read in browsers. Scrolling is dominant. People read paginated in reading systems. We argue that this is a standard way of reading. Browsers take the view: the web developer should do the heavy lifting. ←
15:45:40 <tzviya> ack Jeff
Tzviya Siegman: ack Jeff ←
15:45:42 <pkra> Heather: so we should go somewhere else to read?
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Unknown Heather: so we should go somewhere else to read? ←
15:45:49 <pkra> Ivan: more: write complex web app.
Ivan Herman: more: write complex web app. ←
15:46:11 <pkra> Jeff: problem is also demand from web app vs ebooks is different.
Jeff Xu: problem is also demand from web app vs ebooks is different. ←
15:46:23 <pkra> ... for ebooks this is strong.
... for ebooks this is strong. ←
15:46:43 <pkra> ... so the question is the additional layer.
... so the question is the additional layer. ←
15:46:51 <pkra> dauwhe: like a plugin?
Dave Cramer: like a plugin? ←
15:47:31 <astearns> what I was trying to get across that pagination is a recognized need, but that most browsers don't see enough need to justify the implementation/standardization costs
Alan Stearns: what I was trying to get across that pagination is a recognized need, but that most browsers don't see enough need to justify the implementation/standardization costs ←
15:47:33 <pkra> Jeff: browser-based application. Like Chrome is an application using Chromium.
Jeff Xu: browser-based application. Like Chrome is an application using Chromium. ←
15:48:35 <pkra> Ivan: as a user, I should not be forced to import a special tool (plugin etc) to have this facility.
Ivan Herman: as a user, I should not be forced to import a special tool (plugin etc) to have this facility. ←
15:48:47 <NickRuffilo> q+
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Unknown NickRuffilo: q+ ←
15:48:55 <pkra> dauwhe: also many ebook reading system out there. Part of our mission is to make the more interoperable.
Dave Cramer: also many ebook reading system out there. Part of our mission is to make the more interoperable. ←
15:49:00 <tzviya> ack nick
Tzviya Siegman: ack nick ←
15:49:01 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
Bill Kasdorf: +1 ←
15:50:11 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:50:30 <ChrisLilley> I disagree, lots of people make code and let others ride on it
Chris Lilley: I disagree, lots of people make code and let others ride on it ←
15:50:42 <pkra> Nick: from a business perspective: pagination is something all books need. Pushback: no-one wants to create code that others will benefit from.
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Unknown Nick: from a business perspective: pagination is something all books need. Pushback: no-one wants to create code that others will benefit from. ←
15:50:57 <pkra> ... at least business people usually don't want to give their stuff way.
... at least business people usually don't want to give their stuff way. ←
15:50:58 <ChrisLilley> yes, they do it for another reason like growing the market
Chris Lilley: yes, they do it for another reason like growing the market ←
15:51:15 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:51:17 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
15:51:25 <pkra> ... so if we can make pagination a generic feature, to have compatible implementations, will help us drive this forward.
... so if we can make pagination a generic feature, to have compatible implementations, will help us drive this forward. ←
15:51:33 <brady_duga> q-
Brady Duga: q- ←
15:52:22 <pkra> Ivan: have their been usability studies on reading long form (e.g., thousands of pages) is pagination better compared to scrollable reading.
Ivan Herman: have their been usability studies on reading long form (e.g., thousands of pages) is pagination better compared to scrollable reading. ←
15:52:26 <pkra> ... with real data.
... with real data. ←
15:53:07 <pkra> ... collecting such studies would help.
... collecting such studies would help. ←
15:53:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> it's even true of short document like journal articles, which are overwhelmingly preferred in paginated form (which now means PDFs not HTML are what are overwhelmingly used even when both are available.
Bill Kasdorf: it's even true of short document like journal articles, which are overwhelmingly preferred in paginated form (which now means PDFs not HTML are what are overwhelmingly used even when both are available. ←
15:53:21 <pkra> dauwhe: the market has spoken though. All reading systems do it.
Dave Cramer: the market has spoken though. All reading systems do it. ←
15:54:05 <pkra> tzviya: but is it for real reasons? To turn around: many reading systems have introduced scrolling view
Tzviya Siegman: but is it for real reasons? To turn around: many reading systems have introduced scrolling view ←
15:54:16 <pkra> Bill_Kasdorf: many studies on journal articles being preferred in PDF
Bill Kasdorf: many studies on journal articles being preferred in PDF ←
15:54:31 <pkra> tzviya: but is it about pagination or page numbers or other factors?
Tzviya Siegman: but is it about pagination or page numbers or other factors? ←
15:54:34 <pkra> q+
q+ ←
15:54:39 <tzviya> ack pk
Tzviya Siegman: ack pk ←
15:55:03 <HeatherF> This might be of interest: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/infinite-scrolling/
Heather Flanagan: This might be of interest: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/infinite-scrolling/ ←
15:55:09 <NickRuffilo> not a full "study" but a start: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/infinite-scrolling/
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Unknown NickRuffilo: not a full "study" but a start: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/infinite-scrolling/ ←
15:55:13 <NickRuffilo> ahaha
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ahaha ←
15:55:47 <HeatherF> high-five, Nick!
Heather Flanagan: high-five, Nick! ←
15:56:03 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2015/09/digpubig
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2015/09/digpubig ←
15:56:06 <Karen_> +1 charter approved!
Karen Myers: +1 charter approved! ←
15:56:20 <pkra> pkra: caution: remember studyt about negative effects from reading system UIs (voiding pagination).
Peter Krautzberger: caution: remember studyt about negative effects from reading system UIs (voiding pagination). ←
15:56:49 <pkra> Ivan: charter has been approved.
Ivan Herman: charter has been approved. ←
15:57:13 <pkra> ... administratively people will auto-stay due to rechartering.
... administratively people will auto-stay due to rechartering. ←
15:57:17 <Karen_> q+
Karen Myers: q+ ←
15:57:41 <pkra> ... but time for reflection: what's worked, what hasn't, where to focus.
... but time for reflection: what's worked, what hasn't, where to focus. ←
15:57:51 <pkra> ... maybe in Sapporo
... maybe in Sapporo ←
15:58:32 <pkra> ... passed with flying colors.
... passed with flying colors. ←
15:58:33 <tzviya> ack karen
Tzviya Siegman: ack karen ←
15:59:22 <pkra> karen: also growing interest from other regions in the world. Japan, China, Latin America. We can improve onboarding.
Karen Myers: also growing interest from other regions in the world. Japan, China, Latin America. We can improve onboarding. ←
15:59:27 <pkra> ... address regional interests.
... address regional interests. ←
15:59:49 <NickRuffilo> -1
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Unknown NickRuffilo: -1 ←
15:59:50 <clapierre> -1
Charles LaPierre: -1 ←
15:59:51 <Karen_> -1 7 Sept
Karen Myers: -1 7 Sept ←
15:59:54 <dauwhe> -1
Dave Cramer: -1 ←
15:59:54 <HeatherF> +1
Heather Flanagan: +1 ←
15:59:54 <tzviya> -1
Tzviya Siegman: -1 ←
15:59:59 <mgylling> -1
Markus Gylling: -1 ←
16:00:25 <pkra> tzviya: no meeting Sept 7.
Tzviya Siegman: no meeting Sept 7. ←
16:00:36 <pkra> bye
bye ←
16:00:42 <NickRuffilo> thanks!
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Unknown NickRuffilo: thanks! ←
16:00:48 <dauwhe> thanks pkra for scribing!!
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16:01:57 <tmichel> rrsagent,draft minutes
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20:29:37 <liam> http://monsterjavaguns.com/blog/junglebook-simple-kindle-ebook-cover-analysis/
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Liam Quin: http://monsterjavaguns.com/blog/junglebook-simple-kindle-ebook-cover-analysis/ ←
21:51:46 <dauwhe> liam: interesting. thanks for the link!
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Liam Quin: interesting. thanks for the link! [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
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