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15:09:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:09:15 <trackbot> Date: 13 July 2015
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15:10:12 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "charles - you had a ?"
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Markus Gylling: "charles - you had a ?" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:11:23 <NickRuffilo> Charles: "The ARIA role: I'm just worried we are going to get pushback from the forces-that-be concerning 'why is this needed in the ARIA domain for accessibility specifically' when it should be beneficial for anyone to know something is a footer, glossary, header, footer. I'm concerned they will reject the roles because it's not accessibility specific"
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Charles LaPierre: "The ARIA role: I'm just worried we are going to get pushback from the forces-that-be concerning 'why is this needed in the ARIA domain for accessibility specifically' when it should be beneficial for anyone to know something is a footer, glossary, header, footer. I'm concerned they will reject the roles because it's not accessibility specific" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:11:23 <ChrisL> q+
Chris Lilley: q+ ←
15:11:38 <NickRuffilo> markus: "Is the concern the accessibility camp rejecting? or the general people?"
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Markus Gylling: "Is the concern the accessibility camp rejecting? or the general people?" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:11:53 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:11:58 <NickRuffilo> Charles: "The ARIA world - that it is so broad that will not want it."
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Charles LaPierre: "The ARIA world - that it is so broad that will not want it." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:12:41 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:12:46 <NickRuffilo> markus: "We had quite a bit of discussion around that and the question boils down to - how generic is the role? And there are others which represent what you fear - that it should stay very focused on very particular isolated tasks. There are some works to be done on ARIA-land there for the future of the attribute."
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Markus Gylling: "We had quite a bit of discussion around that and the question boils down to - how generic is the role? And there are others which represent what you fear - that it should stay very focused on very particular isolated tasks. There are some works to be done on ARIA-land there for the future of the attribute." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:13:33 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "This is one of the things that made it take so long- that we've been working with the chairs of the ARIA group - and they felt very strongly that accessibility isn't just for people with disabilities. Accessibility can serve the entire community."
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Tzviya Siegman: "This is one of the things that made it take so long- that we've been working with the chairs of the ARIA group - and they felt very strongly that accessibility isn't just for people with disabilities. Accessibility can serve the entire community." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:13:39 <ChrisL> q?
Chris Lilley: q? ←
15:14:28 <NickRuffilo> Charles: "I agree with you. There are also times where people are situationally disabled - such as the use of close captioned. Just making sure we've pointed this out."
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Charles LaPierre: "I agree with you. There are also times where people are situationally disabled - such as the use of close captioned. Just making sure we've pointed this out." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:14:32 <mgylling> ack ChrisL
Markus Gylling: ack ChrisL ←
15:15:20 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←
15:15:23 <NickRuffilo> Chris: "I guess some of what I'm about to say has already been said. The aria attributes are seen as sign-posts and symantic flagging - which points towards accessibility - which is for people who need it - but not always for people who need it. They are semantics that people can hook off of to get more value from the content."
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Chris Lilley: "I guess some of what I'm about to say has already been said. The aria attributes are seen as sign-posts and symantic flagging - which points towards accessibility - which is for people who need it - but not always for people who need it. They are semantics that people can hook off of to get more value from the content." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:15:45 <tzviya> link to actual spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-aria-1.0-20150707/
Tzviya Siegman: link to actual spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dpub-aria-1.0-20150707/ ←
15:16:20 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "On theme that I hear constantly is the concept of mainstreaming - that it's better that people needing assistive technology NOT get special treatment - but that people are all using the same files that everyone else is getting. So the fact that these are generally useful is a good thing. It's better that it is 'not special' and works for all"
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Bill Kasdorf: "On theme that I hear constantly is the concept of mainstreaming - that it's better that people needing assistive technology NOT get special treatment - but that people are all using the same files that everyone else is getting. So the fact that these are generally useful is a good thing. It's better that it is 'not special' and works for all" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:16:28 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:17:46 <tzviya> <dl epub
15:18:02 <tzviya> s/<dl epub/
15:18:12 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "I thought I'd add for clarity: In the blog post the term prefix is used to describe the dpub- prefix - they are not prefixes as we have gotten to know them - that they are not a separate thing from the term - they are hardcoded into the role. It's good for people who dislike prefixes, but there is also a potential drawback in terms of vocabulary if one has the ambition to create a
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Markus Gylling: "I thought I'd add for clarity: In the blog post the term prefix is used to describe the dpub- prefix - they are not prefixes as we have gotten to know them - that they are not a separate thing from the term - they are hardcoded into the role. It's good for people who dislike prefixes, but there is also a potential drawback in terms of vocabulary if one has the ambition to create a [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:18:12 <NickRuffilo> generic vocabulary, such as in other XML vocabularies, then it is a drawback to have this ARIA specific tweak hardcoded into the name."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: generic vocabulary, such as in other XML vocabularies, then it is a drawback to have this ARIA specific tweak hardcoded into the name." ←
15:18:13 <NickRuffilo> q+
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Unknown NickRuffilo: q+ ←
15:18:28 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:18:40 <NickRuffilo> ...: "This issue is why it took so long to get through the working group, etc. And this is the rules that it came up with."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ...: "This issue is why it took so long to get through the working group, etc. And this is the rules that it came up with." ←
15:19:32 <liam> present+ Liam_Quin
Liam Quin: present+ Liam_Quin ←
15:19:50 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Tzviya - you talked about the 3rd role. And this is just a subset of what we really need in the long-term. We know that peter has things related to STEM. Do you have any thoughts at this point in terms of what kinds of mechanisms we are looking at? Yet, on the other hand, we don't want things to get out of control."
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Markus Gylling: "Tzviya - you talked about the 3rd role. And this is just a subset of what we really need in the long-term. We know that peter has things related to STEM. Do you have any thoughts at this point in terms of what kinds of mechanisms we are looking at? Yet, on the other hand, we don't want things to get out of control." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:19:56 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:20:39 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Well - part of the mechanism is - who is responsible and who has governance. One of the issues with prefixing is that authors should have governance - the joint task force of DPUB and ARIA. Since it's a beach group - it should be OK. "
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Tzviya Siegman: "Well - part of the mechanism is - who is responsible and who has governance. One of the issues with prefixing is that authors should have governance - the joint task force of DPUB and ARIA. Since it's a beach group - it should be OK. " [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:21:03 <NickRuffilo> ...: "ARIA has a heartbeat process that slims down the items needed to get in additional terms, etc."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ...: "ARIA has a heartbeat process that slims down the items needed to get in additional terms, etc." ←
15:21:32 <NickRuffilo> ...: "In terms of what the vetting process is - that relates to governance. And the way this relates to EPUB also needs to be discussed."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ...: "In terms of what the vetting process is - that relates to governance. And the way this relates to EPUB also needs to be discussed." ←
15:21:38 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:22:20 <NickRuffilo> ...: "If you have any input on this being a prefix - we want your feedback. We want feedback on all of these things. Especially if you're working on a reading system or work for a publisher - offer a comment. Please!"
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ...: "If you have any input on this being a prefix - we want your feedback. We want feedback on all of these things. Especially if you're working on a reading system or work for a publisher - offer a comment. Please!" ←
15:22:22 <mgylling> ack Nick
Markus Gylling: ack Nick ←
15:22:44 <Karen> Nick: My question
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Unknown Nick: My question [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:22:45 <clapierre1> /me no more vadar :)
Charles LaPierre: /me no more vadar :) ←
15:22:55 <Karen> …with the prefix the only concern I might have
Karen Myers: …with the prefix the only concern I might have ←
15:23:00 <Karen> …is dpub the correct prefix?
Karen Myers: …is dpub the correct prefix? ←
15:23:03 <Karen> …Reason I ask that is
Karen Myers: …Reason I ask that is ←
15:23:10 <tzviya> nick: my concern with the prefix is whether dpub- is the correct prefix
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Unknown nick: my concern with the prefix is whether dpub- is the correct prefix [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ] ←
15:23:22 <Karen> …if I am a web developer and say, 'oh this is for digpub and not doing epub, why should I use this prefix?
Karen Myers: …if I am a web developer and say, 'oh this is for digpub and not doing epub, why should I use this prefix? ←
15:23:36 <Karen> …is dpub a limiting factor? Is it generic and usable for entire web
Karen Myers: …is dpub a limiting factor? Is it generic and usable for entire web ←
15:23:46 <Karen> …or is there a better prefix to show it's just not about publishing and books
Karen Myers: …or is there a better prefix to show it's just not about publishing and books ←
15:23:51 <Karen> …maybe I'm overthinking?
Karen Myers: …maybe I'm overthinking? ←
15:23:55 <Karen> …but it's a comment to get out
Karen Myers: …but it's a comment to get out ←
15:24:16 <dkaplan3> q+
Deborah Kaplan: q+ ←
15:25:01 <mgylling> ack dkaplan
Markus Gylling: ack dkaplan ←
15:25:03 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "So, we intentionally chose DPUB intead of EPUB - because DPUB is the name of the group, but we are open to other suggestions. Before this becomes final - some terms might get rolled up into the ARIA core spec. Especially things that might be useful for everything. If it is part of just regular ARIA. We are open to recommendations of prefixes."
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Tzviya Siegman: "So, we intentionally chose DPUB intead of EPUB - because DPUB is the name of the group, but we are open to other suggestions. Before this becomes final - some terms might get rolled up into the ARIA core spec. Especially things that might be useful for everything. If it is part of just regular ARIA. We are open to recommendations of prefixes." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:26:35 <NickRuffilo> Deborah: "We tend to see things in a box - but I wonder if some of the new platforms will think of themselves as digital publishing - even if they have the same needs. They will see themselves as "content platforms" not publishers - if we preface terminology with publishing - that may cause people to not look it up for themselves and their clientelle. Possible decouple from the industry in a
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Deborah Kaplan: "We tend to see things in a box - but I wonder if some of the new platforms will think of themselves as digital publishing - even if they have the same needs. They will see themselves as "content platforms" not publishers - if we preface terminology with publishing - that may cause people to not look it up for themselves and their clientelle. Possible decouple from the industry in a [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:26:36 <NickRuffilo> way."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: way." ←
15:27:08 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Lets try to wrap it up
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Markus Gylling: "Lets try to wrap it up [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:28:58 <ChrisL> rel does seem the typical way to specify link types in general
Chris Lilley: rel does seem the typical way to specify link types in general ←
15:29:02 <clapierre1> so this item will be removed? dpub-locator
Charles LaPierre: so this item will be removed? dpub-locator ←
15:29:02 <clapierre1> A link that allows the user to jump to a related location in the content (e.g., from a footnote to its reference, from an index entry to where the topic is discussed, or from a glossary definition to where the term is used).
Charles LaPierre: A link that allows the user to jump to a related location in the content (e.g., from a footnote to its reference, from an index entry to where the topic is discussed, or from a glossary definition to where the term is used). ←
15:29:06 <NickRuffilo> ... : "In terms of next items, lets revisit the vocabulary. 2 - discussion of moving some of it up to ARIA core. There are pros/cons to that. Having some with and some without prefixes can be ugly. The 3rd is links - so one of the things we ahve in the epub category is semantics for links. We had a few proposed in an earlier editors draft - which were emphatically shot down. We also say
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ... : "In terms of next items, lets revisit the vocabulary. 2 - discussion of moving some of it up to ARIA core. There are pros/cons to that. Having some with and some without prefixes can be ugly. The 3rd is links - so one of the things we ahve in the epub category is semantics for links. We had a few proposed in an earlier editors draft - which were emphatically shot down. We also say ←
15:29:06 <NickRuffilo> links are defined by REL and not ROLE. Kind of ugly to have a vocabulary party in ROLE and some on REL... Doesn't look like a good setup for a vocabulary for me. that's the 3rd priority for the task force."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: links are defined by REL and not ROLE. Kind of ugly to have a vocabulary party in ROLE and some on REL... Doesn't look like a good setup for a vocabulary for me. that's the 3rd priority for the task force." ←
15:29:45 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Other big priority is that there is a companion document. and API mapping document - which is a great deal of work - so if you want to join in the fun and know how accesibility works, please do."
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Tzviya Siegman: "Other big priority is that there is a companion document. and API mapping document - which is a great deal of work - so if you want to join in the fun and know how accesibility works, please do." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:29:51 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:30:10 <NickRuffilo> TOPIC: Fragment Identifiers Status Update
15:30:40 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "We were going to re-iterate the idea of service workers and Fragment IDs"
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Tzviya Siegman: "We were going to re-iterate the idea of service workers and Fragment IDs" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:31:20 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Bill, Ivan's email should be shared with the list - it was very clear."
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Tzviya Siegman: "Bill, Ivan's email should be shared with the list - it was very clear." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:32:46 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "I'm not technically knowledable enough to talk about service workers, but I can at least provide ahigh-level. Fundamentally the way it has evolved is leading us AWAY from a particual spec - because the service worker approach may give us what we want in many context and because - also - and I feel strongly - that this is another example of this group should NOT create a spec but we shoudl
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Bill Kasdorf: "I'm not technically knowledable enough to talk about service workers, but I can at least provide ahigh-level. Fundamentally the way it has evolved is leading us AWAY from a particual spec - because the service worker approach may give us what we want in many context and because - also - and I feel strongly - that this is another example of this group should NOT create a spec but we shoudl [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:32:46 <NickRuffilo> come up with a spec of all the identifiers that are already in use for different media types. "
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Unknown NickRuffilo: come up with a spec of all the identifiers that are already in use for different media types. " ←
15:34:37 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Service workers is what helps us get to the granularity we need to use those identifiers. Ivan uses a set of progressive examples on how you point to different things. One thing that will help further is the range-finder spec which is being defined. I believe that is the right direction to go. If anyone else from that call is on, and they can comment on the likelyhood of that coming
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ...: "Service workers is what helps us get to the granularity we need to use those identifiers. Ivan uses a set of progressive examples on how you point to different things. One thing that will help further is the range-finder spec which is being defined. I believe that is the right direction to go. If anyone else from that call is on, and they can comment on the likelyhood of that coming ←
15:34:37 <NickRuffilo> out of annotations - so that we don't have to define yet another spec, that'd be great."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: out of annotations - so that we don't have to define yet another spec, that'd be great." ←
15:35:02 <NickRuffilo> ...: "The point of getting directly to a point that doesn't have existing structure or markup is important. Tzviya - markus - please correct/add."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ...: "The point of getting directly to a point that doesn't have existing structure or markup is important. Tzviya - markus - please correct/add." ←
15:36:18 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "Fragment identifiers are definitionally - to date - are tied to content type. EPUB-CFI is tied to the strucutre. What we're looking at now with identifiers, is that they are gathering different types of identifiers is that they are using the URI to point to different types of identifiers. The package identifier could point to many different types of identifiers. In epub-web we're
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Tzviya Siegman: "Fragment identifiers are definitionally - to date - are tied to content type. EPUB-CFI is tied to the strucutre. What we're looking at now with identifiers, is that they are gathering different types of identifiers is that they are using the URI to point to different types of identifiers. The package identifier could point to many different types of identifiers. In epub-web we're [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:36:18 <NickRuffilo> looking to point to different types of content types."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: looking to point to different types of content types." ←
15:36:26 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "I hope we can do that too"
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Bill Kasdorf: "I hope we can do that too" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:37:03 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "The way service workers works means we can think about storage and the way we think about pointing at things. Because things can be stored online in a simpler way."
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Tzviya Siegman: "The way service workers works means we can think about storage and the way we think about pointing at things. Because things can be stored online in a simpler way." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:37:25 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:37:28 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Yes, in a canonical location - but it doesn't stop them from being offline. "
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Markus Gylling: "Yes, in a canonical location - but it doesn't stop them from being offline. " [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:38:31 <NickRuffilo> ...: "Bill - what does this mean for your task force. I'm thinking we still have alot of wishes that aren't satisfied by the open web platform today - temporal locations, etc. Obviously we are not alone in dpub to want these things. It appears we are the first-hand consumer of that more finely grained and fancy things. None of these needs should be addressed directly. "
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ...: "Bill - what does this mean for your task force. I'm thinking we still have alot of wishes that aren't satisfied by the open web platform today - temporal locations, etc. Obviously we are not alone in dpub to want these things. It appears we are the first-hand consumer of that more finely grained and fancy things. None of these needs should be addressed directly. " ←
15:39:16 <TimCole> q+
Timothy Cole: q+ ←
15:39:49 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "In terms of questions - what does this mean for the task force? This changes an action item I've had - to come up with a definition of what we need for fragment IDs. Something that enumerates what the needs are."
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Bill Kasdorf: "In terms of questions - what does this mean for the task force? This changes an action item I've had - to come up with a definition of what we need for fragment IDs. Something that enumerates what the needs are." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:40:29 <NickRuffilo> ...: "I am on the working group - nominally. Ivan is on the workin group in a larger capacity - so we can work to make it better."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: ...: "I am on the working group - nominally. Ivan is on the workin group in a larger capacity - so we can work to make it better." ←
15:40:59 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "We should work in other relevant working groups and help promote our use cases. Is there anything else we should be focusing on beyond ranges? Are there other opportunities."
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Markus Gylling: "We should work in other relevant working groups and help promote our use cases. Is there anything else we should be focusing on beyond ranges? Are there other opportunities." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:41:23 <mgylling> ack TimC
Markus Gylling: ack TimC ←
15:41:23 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "I suspect the publication ID is the elephant in the room. That's the vision of the epub+web - is that it will have an identifier offline and on..."
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Bill Kasdorf: "I suspect the publication ID is the elephant in the room. That's the vision of the epub+web - is that it will have an identifier offline and on..." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:43:09 <NickRuffilo> Tim: "I guess i'm a little concerned here about the completion between identifiers and APIs. In the annotations we tend to talk about range-finder as an API - you get the results of an API. You give params and it says "I think you're talking about this content. There are fuzzy search options - other things going on... In terms of an identifier, it's not persistent - because if the HTML changes,
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Unknown Tim: "I guess i'm a little concerned here about the completion between identifiers and APIs. In the annotations we tend to talk about range-finder as an API - you get the results of an API. You give params and it says "I think you're talking about this content. There are fuzzy search options - other things going on... In terms of an identifier, it's not persistent - because if the HTML changes, [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:43:09 <NickRuffilo> the API may return something new. I think this is true for other things as well. One of the things the task force has to address is recognizing the difference between a TRUE identifier and the ways to get through to a resource that isn't defined the way they are today on the web."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: the API may return something new. I think this is true for other things as well. One of the things the task force has to address is recognizing the difference between a TRUE identifier and the ways to get through to a resource that isn't defined the way they are today on the web." ←
15:43:36 <NickRuffilo> .,.: "I just wanted to suggest - even with Ivan's good thinking - there is a bit of additional work left until we really know what we're talking about - and how we're using it."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: .,.: "I just wanted to suggest - even with Ivan's good thinking - there is a bit of additional work left until we really know what we're talking about - and how we're using it." ←
15:44:00 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "Thanks - Your perspective is very critical on this. Specially we want to articulate those issues."
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Bill Kasdorf: "Thanks - Your perspective is very critical on this. Specially we want to articulate those issues." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:44:27 <NickRuffilo> Tim: "If you talk to someone who has a very strict definition of identifier, they will think you're speaking gibberish..."
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Unknown Tim: "If you talk to someone who has a very strict definition of identifier, they will think you're speaking gibberish..." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:44:53 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "Are you suggesting that maybe it's ill-advised to speak of it in terms of identifier - and call it a navigation guide?"
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Bill Kasdorf: "Are you suggesting that maybe it's ill-advised to speak of it in terms of identifier - and call it a navigation guide?" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:45:28 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:45:44 <NickRuffilo> Tim: "Possibly: there are these terms when used for percisions - and there are these other mechanism that operate a little differently. We may want to bring those two concepts under the same umbrella and 'navigation' may be a good name for it"
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Unknown Tim: "Possibly: there are these terms when used for percisions - and there are these other mechanism that operate a little differently. We may want to bring those two concepts under the same umbrella and 'navigation' may be a good name for it" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:46:17 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "A common problem is that people want a single identifier that does everything. In this case - the solution possibly is lots of different identifiers - but calling it a navigation or something else might help."
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Bill Kasdorf: "A common problem is that people want a single identifier that does everything. In this case - the solution possibly is lots of different identifiers - but calling it a navigation or something else might help." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:46:17 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:46:27 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:47:16 <NickRuffilo> Tzivya: "The range-finder API does product a URI, is that correct? I believe the draft is changing, but I believe the latest draft does let you pack everything into a URL. It's basically a query string - so I don't know if he's using the # or a ?. The latest version is up on GitHUB"
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Unknown Tzivya: "The range-finder API does product a URI, is that correct? I believe the draft is changing, but I believe the latest draft does let you pack everything into a URL. It's basically a query string - so I don't know if he's using the # or a ?. The latest version is up on GitHUB" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:47:44 <NickRuffilo> markus: "We spoke to Doug last week and that it would at least be in the range-finder spec. Ivan's email still expressed that as an unresolved issue."
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Markus Gylling: "We spoke to Doug last week and that it would at least be in the range-finder spec. Ivan's email still expressed that as an unresolved issue." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:47:45 <TimCole> http://w3c.github.io/web-annotation/api/rangefinder/
Timothy Cole: http://w3c.github.io/web-annotation/api/rangefinder/ ←
15:48:07 <NickRuffilo> Tim: "I think this is the state of what's in there now. we talked alot about the API near-phase."
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Unknown Tim: "I think this is the state of what's in there now. we talked alot about the API near-phase." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:49:14 <NickRuffilo> Bill: "I'm feeling that we have a very promising sense of direction towards something that will actually work - which is a big step. This is something that having a call of the task-force in the next week or two is a good idea. Do we have enough now to draft that note to the community?"
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Bill Kasdorf: "I'm feeling that we have a very promising sense of direction towards something that will actually work - which is a big step. This is something that having a call of the task-force in the next week or two is a good idea. Do we have enough now to draft that note to the community?" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:49:41 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Finally - charles and Deborah, thanks to all of you for the reply to PF regarding the ARIA-Describedat."
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Markus Gylling: "Finally - charles and Deborah, thanks to all of you for the reply to PF regarding the ARIA-Describedat." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:50:42 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:50:45 <NickRuffilo> Charles: "I wanted to give a shout-out to Deborah for doing the heavy-lifting on the document. It was a nice collaborative effort in getting that done and we thought it gave the most sense for George to send it with his weight behind it. I think that it was a good document and showed our concerns and hopefully will sway the masses."
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Charles LaPierre: "I wanted to give a shout-out to Deborah for doing the heavy-lifting on the document. It was a nice collaborative effort in getting that done and we thought it gave the most sense for George to send it with his weight behind it. I think that it was a good document and showed our concerns and hopefully will sway the masses." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:51:19 <NickRuffilo> markus: "One thing we should make sure we do is that we're around on the PF calls when they end up discussing this. George and I are on the PF calls but we don't attend all the calls. But we need to make sure we show up. Are you a member Charles? "
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Markus Gylling: "One thing we should make sure we do is that we're around on the PF calls when they end up discussing this. George and I are on the PF calls but we don't attend all the calls. But we need to make sure we show up. Are you a member Charles? " [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:51:41 <NickRuffilo> Charles: "No, but i was invited to one of their meetings. Yes, i'll definintely check it out. First week in August I'm on vacation."
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Charles LaPierre: "No, but i was invited to one of their meetings. Yes, i'll definintely check it out. First week in August I'm on vacation." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:52:03 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:52:09 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "I'll talk to Jinnie and Rich and see when they will be up for discussion. I'll make sure that they know and invite us accordingly. Any questions/remarks?"
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Markus Gylling: "I'll talk to Jinnie and Rich and see when they will be up for discussion. I'll make sure that they know and invite us accordingly. Any questions/remarks?" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:52:11 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:53:20 <NickRuffilo> Tzviya: "You mentioned joining a PF meeting. Rich had commented that it might be valuable for non-members to join a meeting of PF to discuss the described-at. Especially anyone who is making tools that are making use of described-at. if you are interested in joining a meeting and you are using (or plan on using) described-at, please let us know. if you knwo someone who might be interested,
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Tzviya Siegman: "You mentioned joining a PF meeting. Rich had commented that it might be valuable for non-members to join a meeting of PF to discuss the described-at. Especially anyone who is making tools that are making use of described-at. if you are interested in joining a meeting and you are using (or plan on using) described-at, please let us know. if you knwo someone who might be interested, [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:53:20 <NickRuffilo> let us know."
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Unknown NickRuffilo: let us know." ←
15:53:45 <NickRuffilo> Markus: "Is there any other business today?"
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Markus Gylling: "Is there any other business today?" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown NickRuffilo ] ←
15:53:54 <pkra> bye.
Peter Krautzberger: bye. ←
15:54:16 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes
Markus Gylling: rrsagent, make minutes ←
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RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-dpub-minutes.html mgylling ←
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