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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 15 May 2015

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15:02:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:02:42 <trackbot> Date: 15 May 2015
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15:12:46 <clapierre> tzviya, Since Aria-role is on hold for now we need to figure out the best practice for how we deal with Notes in DPUB

tzviya, Since Aria-role is on hold for now we need to figure out the best practice for how we deal with Notes in DPUB

15:13:21 <clapierre> …, need to distinguish between footnotes and author notes etc… locational?  Who wrote it, and how does this affect accessibility.

…, need to distinguish between footnotes and author notes etc… locational? Who wrote it, and how does this affect accessibility.

15:13:55 <clapierre> deborah, how can you get to the specific notes, how can you prevent notes from interrupting the reading flow if wanted.

deborah, how can you get to the specific notes, how can you prevent notes from interrupting the reading flow if wanted.

15:14:45 <clapierre> tzviya, in digital world there is no difference between, aside, foot, end note etc. it is really locational

tzviya, in digital world there is no difference between, aside, foot, end note etc. it is really locational

15:14:57 <clapierre> mia, linked related content

mia, linked related content

15:15:28 <clapierre> tzviya, method to access all content and get back to the normal reading flow, ie DAISY skipable.

tzviya, method to access all content and get back to the normal reading flow, ie DAISY skipable.

15:16:01 <clapierre> …, author note would not need its own flavor

…, author note would not need its own flavor

15:16:30 <clapierre> mia, make sure you can link to it, read it if you want to, or not, and get back to the main content.

mia, make sure you can link to it, read it if you want to, or not, and get back to the main content.

15:17:09 <clapierre> …, how to identify it (it can have contextual relevance.  positional issue is a CSS concern.

…, how to identify it (it can have contextual relevance. positional issue is a CSS concern.

15:18:44 <clapierre> tzviya, the 3 issues are.  Navigation between navigation and note, and back.  2. context and labelling (know a footnote, vs. label, vs. aside, etc..) 3. Visible position on the page (basically a CSS issue).

tzviya, the 3 issues are. Navigation between navigation and note, and back. 2. context and labelling (know a footnote, vs. label, vs. aside, etc..) 3. Visible position on the page (basically a CSS issue).

15:19:13 <clapierre> charles, a11y dpub is concerned about issues #1 and #2.

charles, a11y dpub is concerned about issues #1 and #2.

15:20:19 <clapierre> tzviya, even though this is a concern.  Do not make this our #1 issue because everyone is already aware of.

tzviya, even though this is a concern. Do not make this our #1 issue because everyone is already aware of.

15:20:44 <clapierre> Deborah, positional location of text to indicate different speakers.

Deborah, positional location of text to indicate different speakers.

15:21:28 <clapierre> tzviya, lets add this to the Google Doc our comments.

tzviya, lets add this to the Google Doc our comments.

15:22:03 <clapierre> charles, eg: comic strips have different speakers on different sides of the page.

charles, eg: comic strips have different speakers on different sides of the page.

15:23:12 <clapierre> Deborah, poetry could also have this positional text based on speaker

Deborah, poetry could also have this positional text based on speaker

15:23:42 <clapierre> Tzviya, there could be different voices for the different speakers.

Tzviya, there could be different voices for the different speakers.

15:23:56 <clapierre> Charles, Isn't there markup for adding voice support?

Charles, Isn't there markup for adding voice support?

15:24:51 <clapierre> Mia, There is tagging to support this, just don't remember where this is… CSS does have a speech module.

Mia, There is tagging to support this, just don't remember where this is… CSS does have a speech module.

15:25:09 <clapierre> Tzviya, we need to flag this but could be resolved potentially in CSS.

Tzviya, we need to flag this but could be resolved potentially in CSS.

15:25:34 <clapierre> Topic: phonetic spellings of proper nouns (maybe indi work in w3c?)

1. phonetic spellings of proper nouns (maybe indi work in w3c?)

15:26:24 <clapierre> Tzviya, PLS (Pronunciation Lexicon Specification)

Tzviya, PLS (Pronunciation Lexicon Specification)

15:26:42 <clapierre> …, there may be a way to do this in CSS Speech also.

…, there may be a way to do this in CSS Speech also.

15:26:57 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-lexicon/

Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-lexicon/

15:27:09 <dkaplan3_> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-speech/

Deborah Kaplan: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-speech/

15:28:48 <clapierre> tzviya, even though this exists it is very difficult to use, since you must flag each time the word appears.

tzviya, even though this exists it is very difficult to use, since you must flag each time the word appears.

15:29:17 <clapierre> Deborah, how should we handle this?  Since there is something to help, but it is very difficult to use and not widely adopted.

Deborah, how should we handle this? Since there is something to help, but it is very difficult to use and not widely adopted.

15:30:28 <clapierre> Mia, is there a simple way to do this?

Mia, is there a simple way to do this?

15:31:39 <clapierre> Deborah, maybe add an attribute to the word each time its added (eg. verb, vs. noun, or Past tense etc.)

Deborah, maybe add an attribute to the word each time its added (eg. verb, vs. noun, or Past tense etc.)

15:32:05 <clapierre> Charles, could there be a metadata or say what the default pronunciation for the entire document?

Charles, could there be a metadata or say what the default pronunciation for the entire document?

15:32:20 <clapierre> Tzviya, I believe this exists in CSS/Speech.

Tzviya, I believe this exists in CSS/Speech.

15:32:50 <clapierre> Deborah, we should flag this in our note as a concern.

Deborah, we should flag this in our note as a concern.

15:34:07 <clapierre> …, we want to link to a URI to a pronunciation dictionary in your document.. eg. if you are writing a chemistry book to link to a chemistry pronunciation dictionary.

…, we want to link to a URI to a pronunciation dictionary in your document.. eg. if you are writing a chemistry book to link to a chemistry pronunciation dictionary.

15:35:31 <clapierre> …, We need bring the W3C A) support for linking to a Pronunciation dictionary, and B) Socialize this so it is visible and adopted by Browsers, Reading systems etc…

…, We need bring the W3C A) support for linking to a Pronunciation dictionary, and B) Socialize this so it is visible and adopted by Browsers, Reading systems etc…

15:35:42 <clapierre> Topic: how does layout improve comprehension?

2. how does layout improve comprehension?

15:36:26 <clapierre> Mia, issue: shorter lines make it easier for certain disabilities to understand/comprehend.

Mia, issue: shorter lines make it easier for certain disabilities to understand/comprehend.

15:38:02 <clapierre> Tzviya, is there something that a person who can't see the page is missing.

Tzviya, is there something that a person who can't see the page is missing.

15:39:13 <clapierre> Charles, is this maybe an example where in poetry the lines are centered and formatted in a certain way to portray a certain idea.  Eg.  A poem of a Tree could be formatted as looking like a tree.

Charles, is this maybe an example where in poetry the lines are centered and formatted in a certain way to portray a certain idea. Eg. A poem of a Tree could be formatted as looking like a tree.

15:39:54 <clapierre> Tzviya, could require something like an image description of the layout of the text.

Tzviya, could require something like an image description of the layout of the text.

15:41:01 <clapierre> Deborah, tec book code samples are in certain fonts vs. other text which could be bolded or in a callout box for warnings etc..

Deborah, tec book code samples are in certain fonts vs. other text which could be bolded or in a callout box for warnings etc..

15:41:58 <clapierre> Mia, is this about the layout specifically or semantics about the layout which could have specific meanings that the audience should know about.

Mia, is this about the layout specifically or semantics about the layout which could have specific meanings that the audience should know about.

15:42:49 <clapierre> …, this may not be a W3C issue but could be a publisher issue.

…, this may not be a W3C issue but could be a publisher issue.

15:44:09 <clapierre> Deborah, Could ask BISG this layout issue to their attention and ask them what the W3C could do to help with this issue… could be a research topic.

Deborah, Could ask BISG this layout issue to their attention and ask them what the W3C could do to help with this issue… could be a research topic.

15:46:26 <clapierre> Charles, how do you describe the layout of text that could be in the shape of an image?

Charles, how do you describe the layout of text that could be in the shape of an image?

15:47:08 <clapierre> Mia, this really could be a research topic… This could open a can of worms …

Mia, this really could be a research topic… This could open a can of worms …

15:47:39 <clapierre> Tzviya, we can bring this as an issue in our Note but we don't have a solution.

Tzviya, we can bring this as an issue in our Note but we don't have a solution.

15:48:06 <clapierre> …, there is no really good way to tag poetry.

…, there is no really good way to tag poetry.

15:48:27 <clapierre> …, do you use P tag, DIV, Stanza, … etc.

…, do you use P tag, DIV, Stanza, … etc.

15:48:50 <clapierre> Mia, when reading a poem and asked to read line 5-8 can be an issue.

Mia, when reading a poem and asked to read line 5-8 can be an issue.

15:49:14 <clapierre> Tzviya, delineated text.

Tzviya, delineated text.

15:50:05 <clapierre> Topic: Deeply Nexted Heading Levels Best Practices, list titles

3. Deeply Nexted Heading Levels Best Practices, list titles

15:50:16 <clapierre> Tzviya, that is 2 separate topics.

Tzviya, that is 2 separate topics.

15:51:34 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2015AprJun/0039.html

Tzviya Siegman: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2015AprJun/0039.html

15:51:37 <clapierre> Deborah, what happens when you get past H6?  HTML5 should support this but…

Deborah, what happens when you get past H6? HTML5 should support this but…

15:51:59 <clapierre> …, pure heading without a number

…, pure heading without a number

15:52:09 <clapierre> …, you can just keep nesting it.

…, you can just keep nesting it.

15:52:28 <clapierre> Tzviya, it is meant to be a wrapper (ie. just Heading)

Tzviya, it is meant to be a wrapper (ie. just Header)

15:52:49 <clapierre> s/Heading/Header
15:54:13 <tzviya> <h6 aria-label="7">

Tzviya Siegman: <h6 aria-level="7">

15:55:47 <clapierre> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_role%3Dheading

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_role%3Dheading

15:56:14 <tzviya> s/aria-label/aria-level
15:56:44 <clapierre> Topic: list-titles

4. list-titles

15:56:53 <clapierre> YES we need them to exist!

YES we need them to exist!

15:57:03 <clapierre> Semantically needed List-Head

Semantically needed List-Head

15:57:07 <clapierre> Yes we need them.

Yes we need them.

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