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20:06:08 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/03/13-dpub-irc
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20:06:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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20:06:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUB A1()4:00PM already started
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20:06:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
20:06:13 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2015
20:06:27 <Zakim> +Liam
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20:07:39 <liam> scribenick: liam
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20:08:07 <liam> clapierre, initial work nearly done but we have questions for WCAG as it related to dpub
Charles LaPierre: initial work nearly done but we have questions for WCAG as it related to dpub ←
20:08:27 <liam> that and we also asked our IG to look for dpub-specific items that may not be included already in WCAG
that and we also asked our IG to look for dpub-specific items that may not be included already in WCAG ←
20:08:52 <liam> I'm wondering if we should the list out of non-related technique from WCAG as well as the one we still had qq regarding
I'm wondering if we should the list out of non-related technique from WCAG as well as the one we still had qq regarding ←
20:08:54 <liam> and send to whom?
and send to whom? ←
20:09:03 <liam> to try & figure what's relevant to dpub
to try & figure what's relevant to dpub ←
20:09:20 <liam> George: is this a q of what's missing from WCAG?
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Unknown George: is this a q of what's missing from WCAG? ←
20:09:32 <liam> clapierre: no, that's a different question
Charles LaPierre: no, that's a different question ←
20:09:38 <liam> s/clapierre,/clapierre:/
20:10:01 <liam> it's where it wasn't a simple yes/no it affects dpub but there was a question
it's where it wasn't a simple yes/no it affects dpub but there was a question ←
20:10:15 <liam> Do we bring it up in our own TF or in the DPUB IG
Do we bring it up in our own TF or in the DPUB IG ←
20:10:29 <liam> tzviya: looks like you have about 20 questions
Tzviya Siegman: looks like you have about 20 questions ←
20:10:36 <liam> clapierre: no, there's more than was in my email
Charles LaPierre: no, there's more than was in my email ←
20:11:03 <liam> tzviya: in the email you sent me there were actual items, I'm guessing between 20 & 30
Tzviya Siegman: in the email you sent me there were actual items, I'm guessing between 20 & 30 ←
20:11:09 <liam> Perhaps we should go through them on this call
Perhaps we should go through them on this call ←
20:13:14 <liam> George: I'm focused on epub3, in the consensus of what's an accessible product, there's standards & techniques and also an agreements about what's inside the publication
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Unknown George: I'm focused on epub3, in the consensus of what's an accessible product, there's standards & techniques and also an agreements about what's inside the publication ←
20:13:29 <liam> ...whether it's online, or downloadable.
...whether it's online, or downloadable. ←
20:13:47 <liam> I was tasked with this by DAISY; publishers keep asking what they should do.
I was tasked with this by DAISY; publishers keep asking what they should do. ←
20:13:55 <liam> clapierre: I think that's what we're trying to do here too.
Charles LaPierre: I think that's what we're trying to do here too. ←
20:14:09 <liam> We were planning on a Note on dpub best practices wrt a11y.
We were planning on a Note on dpub best practices wrt a11y. ←
20:14:38 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
20:14:49 <liam> GK: if we're using HTML techniques then I think we're good with epub and publishing on the Web
George Kerscher: if we're using HTML techniques then I think we're good with epub and publishing on the Web ←
20:14:58 <liam> tzviya: we're trying to verify that
Deborah Kaplan: we're trying to verify that ←
20:15:11 <liam> Are there concerns specific to publishing that WCAD has not thought of
Are there concerns specific to publishing that WCAD has not thought of ←
20:15:16 <tzviya> s/tzviya/dkaplan3
20:15:41 <liam> GK: so when we talk about images there's extensive guielines; I've not seen imagemaps in digital publications.
George Kerscher: so when we talk about images there's extensive guielines; I've not seen imagemaps in digital publications. ←
20:16:07 <liam> dkaplan3: E.g. annotations or pagination are things publishing has to care about but W3C a11y specs dont' speak about much yet
Deborah Kaplan: E.g. annotations or pagination are things publishing has to care about but W3C a11y specs dont' speak about much yet ←
20:16:13 <Livio> hi
Livio Mondini: hi ←
20:16:28 <liam> so what's in publishing and not well-handled is what we're looking for
so what's in publishing and not well-handled is what we're looking for ←
20:17:04 <liam> tzviya: I think the disconnect is George is used to dealing with publishers; we've been looking at publishing a document that can describe best practices today for publishers;
Tzviya Siegman: I think the disconnect is George is used to dealing with publishers; we've been looking at publishing a document that can describe best practices today for publishers; ←
20:17:19 <liam> we need a survery of W3C's documentation - is is relevant, does it address all the needs for publishers
we need a survery of W3C's documentation - is is relevant, does it address all the needs for publishers ←
20:17:33 <liam> And talking about best practices for publishers is a little different.
And talking about best practices for publishers is a little different. ←
20:17:44 <Livio> this is true liam
Livio Mondini: this is true liam ←
20:17:55 <tzviya> q-
Tzviya Siegman: q- ←
20:18:34 <liam> tzviya: so the immediate charter of the dpub IG is to include the survey of existing docs, we're almost done
Tzviya Siegman: so the immediate charter of the dpub IG is to include the survey of existing docs, we're almost done ←
20:18:43 <liam> step 2 is to change the future
step 2 is to change the future ←
20:19:35 <liam> GK: I'm still thinking what I'm talking about is different, not just technology, it's conformance and guidance to students on how they get more if the documents are not fully accessible but conform to A or AA but doesn't get the students passing grades
George Kerscher: I'm still thinking what I'm talking about is different, not just technology, it's conformance and guidance to students on how they get more if the documents are not fully accessible but conform to A or AA but doesn't get the students passing grades ←
20:19:43 <liam> dkaplan3: that makes sense but I think it's something else
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Unknown mia: that makes sense but I think it's something else ←
20:19:58 <liam> we're not only considering students. It's important.
we're not only considering students. It's important. ←
20:20:35 <liam> It's sort of like providing alternatives; Old 508 said if you can't make this accessible you must provide an alternative that has the same information/functionality
It's sort of like providing alternatives; Old 508 said if you can't make this accessible you must provide an alternative that has the same information/functionality ←
20:20:55 <clapierre> s/dkaplan3/mia
20:21:09 <liam> Maybe having something like that, if you can't make this publication fully accessible you must provide some kind of guidance for a user on how they might obtain something in accessible format
Maybe having something like that, if you can't make this publication fully accessible you must provide some kind of guidance for a user on how they might obtain something in accessible format ←
20:21:14 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
20:21:19 <liam> including professional learners
including professional learners ←
20:21:25 <clapierre> akk liam
Charles LaPierre: akk liam ←
20:21:28 <clapierre> ack liam
Charles LaPierre: ack liam ←
20:21:28 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to say we can change the future
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20:22:43 <clapierre> ack tzviya
Charles LaPierre: ack tzviya ←
20:22:52 <liam> Liam: [reminder] we're here to talk about how to change the Web, all of the Web as necessary, to achieve the accessibility that pulishers & readers need
Liam Quin: [reminder] we're here to talk about how to change the Web, all of the Web as necessary, to achieve the accessibility that pulishers & readers need ←
20:23:14 <liam> tzviya: George is saying, if the content isn't accessible enough, maybe that's a recommendation we cam make to WCAG
Tzviya Siegman: George is saying, if the content isn't accessible enough, maybe that's a recommendation we cam make to WCAG ←
20:23:56 <liam> GK: I think when we get into bookmark or annotation or pagination do we ask WCAG?
George Kerscher: I think when we get into bookmark or annotation or pagination do we ask WCAG? ←
20:24:23 <liam> tzviya: one fundamental thing is if the content is not accessible we need to tell users how to make content accessible
Tzviya Siegman: one fundamental thing is if the content is not accessible we need to tell users how to make content accessible ←
20:24:33 <liam> so recommending that WCAG include that is itself a recommendation
so recommending that WCAG include that is itself a recommendation ←
20:24:50 <liam> Similarly we can comment on fragments/pagination and the whole annotations model
Similarly we can comment on fragments/pagination and the whole annotations model ←
20:24:55 <liam> and say what needs to be addressed
and say what needs to be addressed ←
20:25:04 <liam> GK: and we'd reference these things in our note.
Charles LaPierre: and we'd reference these things in our note. ←
20:25:10 <liam> s/GK/clapierre/
20:25:18 <clapierre> q?
Charles LaPierre: q? ←
20:25:35 <liam> GK: is there any discussion about pagination being an annotation?
George Kerscher: is there any discussion about pagination being an annotation? ←
20:25:52 <liam> e.g. to annotate print page boundaries
e.g. to annotate print page boundaries ←
20:26:27 <liam> tzviya: in the context of CSS, pagination means chunking into specific fragments, and interaction with DOM and scripts, doesn't just mean page numbers from print
Tzviya Siegman: in the context of CSS, pagination means chunking into specific fragments, and interaction with DOM and scripts, doesn't just mean page numbers from print ←
20:26:39 <liam> dkaplan3: so would that cover helping to reflow text when magnified?
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Unknown mia: so would that cover helping to reflow text when magnified? ←
20:26:46 <dkaplan3> s/dkaplan3/mia/
20:26:50 <liam> tzviya: yes. Work is being done in CSS to make a cleaner model
Tzviya Siegman: yes. Work is being done in CSS to make a cleaner model ←
20:28:10 <liam> clapierre: [discussion of meeting topics]
Charles LaPierre: [discussion of meeting topics] ←
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20:29:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.415.400.aaaa, +1.617.235.aabb, clapierre, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Jeanne, Liam, +1.415.400.aacc
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20:29:37 <liam> Next meeting same time next week
Next meeting same time next week ←
20:29:54 <liam> If you can please respond to Deborah's email today re. what could be missing from WCAG and friends
If you can please respond to Deborah's email today re. what could be missing from WCAG and friends ←
20:30:04 <Zakim> -Tzviya
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20:30:08 <liam> [adjourned]
[adjourned] ←
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20:30:11 <Zakim> -Jeanne
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20:30:31 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUB A1()4:00PM has ended
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20:30:31 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.415.400.aaaa, +1.617.235.aabb, clapierre, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Jeanne, Liam, +1.415.400.aacc
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20:32:09 <Livio> finished?
Livio Mondini: finished? ←
20:32:19 <clapierre> yeah thanks Livio
Charles LaPierre: yeah thanks Livio ←
20:32:28 <clapierre> sorry short meeting today
Charles LaPierre: sorry short meeting today ←
20:32:47 <Livio> so if i understand well discussion go on phone and here transcript?
Livio Mondini: so if i understand well discussion go on phone and here transcript? ←
20:34:10 <clapierre> yes. you could call in to hear the phone discussion as well
Charles LaPierre: yes. you could call in to hear the phone discussion as well ←
20:34:26 <clapierre> we try to get it all on irc but some is missed.
Charles LaPierre: we try to get it all on irc but some is missed. ←
20:34:35 <Livio> ok i understand
Livio Mondini: ok i understand ←
20:35:42 <Livio> so, next step? change the future? :)
Livio Mondini: so, next step? change the future? :) ←
20:36:47 <clapierre> call the DPUB's teleconference #. not sure what it is where you live, umm could find out for you, but I have the US # if that helps
Charles LaPierre: call the DPUB's teleconference #. not sure what it is where you live, umm could find out for you, but I have the US # if that helps ←
20:38:06 <clapierre> here is the US/Canada info
Charles LaPierre: here is the US/Canada info ←
20:38:07 <clapierre> The Zakim bridge number is tel://+1.617.761.6200.
Charles LaPierre: The Zakim bridge number is tel://+1.617.761.6200. ←
20:38:07 <clapierre>
20:38:07 <clapierre> the code conference is 3782 ("DPUB"), followed by the # key.
Charles LaPierre: the code conference is 3782 ("DPUB"), followed by the # key. ←
20:38:27 <Livio> yes i have this references i think
Livio Mondini: yes i have this references i think ←
20:38:59 <clapierre> Great. so yeah just call in next week at this time (well 40min earlier than now) and yeah you will be good to go on the call :)
Charles LaPierre: Great. so yeah just call in next week at this time (well 40min earlier than now) and yeah you will be good to go on the call :) ←
20:39:30 <clapierre> did you get the email from Deborah today? if you can start thinking about that and email the group with what you have that would be great
Charles LaPierre: did you get the email from Deborah today? if you can start thinking about that and email the group with what you have that would be great ←
20:39:43 <Livio> yes i saw 5 min ago
Livio Mondini: yes i saw 5 min ago ←
20:40:43 <clapierre> great…ok thanks Livio, I am out of here have a great weekend.
Charles LaPierre: great…ok thanks Livio, I am out of here have a great weekend. ←
20:40:55 <Livio> same for you clapierre :)
Livio Mondini: same for you clapierre :) ←
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