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15:02:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:02:13 <trackbot> Date: 23 February 2015
15:07:36 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
15:07:57 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/54E70DB1.5050600@gmail.com
15:08:22 <ivan> Regrets: TimCole, AlanS, azaroth, vlad
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15:57:57 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:57:57 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:57:58 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:58:08 <clapierre> Zakim, aaaa is me
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15:58:08 <Zakim> +clapierre; got it
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15:58:29 <Zakim> + +1.217.300.aabb
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15:59:02 <Zakim> +Tzviya
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16:00:59 <dkaplan3> zakim, aadd is me
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16:01:09 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
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16:01:20 <Zakim> +Markus
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16:01:49 <tzviya> zakim. aacc is Julie_Morris
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16:01:51 <ivan> zakim, aacc is julie
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16:01:51 <Zakim> +julie; got it
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16:01:54 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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16:01:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, Ivan, +1.217.300.aabb, Tzviya, philm, julie, duga, dauwhe, dkaplan3, pkra, Karen_Myers, Markus
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16:01:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see HeatherF, Julie_Morris, dkaplan3, tzviya, phil_m, pkra, philm, laudrain, brady_duga, astein, mgylling, clapierre, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, rego, iank,
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16:01:56 <Zakim> ... mihnea_____, plinss, Karen, astearns, trackbot
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16:02:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:02:11 <HeatherF> zakim, IPcaller is me
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16:02:22 <Zakim> +Luc
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16:02:32 <ivan> zakim, aabb is astein
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16:02:57 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
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16:03:36 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ruben is me
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16:03:44 <mgylling> scribenick mgylling
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16:03:45 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester
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16:03:53 <ivan> scribenick: mgylling
(Scribe set to Markus Gylling)
16:04:19 <tzviya> agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/54E70DB1.5050600@gmail.com
16:04:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:05:03 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is mgylling
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16:05:03 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
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16:05:08 <Zakim> +pbelfanti
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16:05:19 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is mgarrish
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16:05:19 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'
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16:05:22 <Zakim> + +1.512.445.aaee
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16:05:29 <ivan> zakim, mgylling is mgarrish
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16:05:29 <Zakim> +mgarrish; got it
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16:05:45 <mgylling> zakim, scribe?
zakim, scribe? ←
16:05:45 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mgylling.
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16:05:52 <mgylling> zakim, who scribes?
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16:05:52 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mgylling.
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16:05:57 <ivan> zakim, aaee is Susann_Keohane
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16:06:01 <mgylling> scribenick mgylling
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16:06:22 <ivan> scribenick: mgylling
16:06:36 <mgylling> topic: last weeks minutes
16:06:40 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-dpub-minutes.html
Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/2015/02/09-dpub-minutes.html ←
16:06:52 <mgylling> tzviya: last weeks minutes approved?
Tzviya Siegman: last weeks minutes approved? ←
16:06:57 <mgylling> … approved.
… approved. ←
16:07:09 <mgylling> topic: identifiers TF first steps
16:07:27 <Zakim> +Thierry
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16:07:59 <tzviya> identification: https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Identification
Scribe problem: the name 'identification' does not match any of the 92 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben De Meester Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Shane McCarron Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown identification: https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Identification [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ] ←
16:08:06 <mgylling> Bill_Kasdorf: there are really two aspects: publication identifiers and fragment identifiers, Ivan has a starting point on wiki, as well as in the notes on packaging wiki page
Bill Kasdorf: there are really two aspects: publication identifiers and fragment identifiers, Ivan has a starting point on wiki, as well as in the notes on packaging wiki page ←
16:08:33 <mgylling> … markus suggested started with developing functional requirements for fragments, which is probably a good start
… markus suggested started with developing functional requirements for fragments, which is probably a good start ←
16:09:22 <mgylling> … think that will be mostly a technical discussion after use cases are provided, w3c anno group is an important party here
… think that will be mostly a technical discussion after use cases are provided, w3c anno group is an important party here ←
16:09:40 <mgylling> … publication identifier issue initially appears to be a total swamp
… publication identifier issue initially appears to be a total swamp ←
16:10:23 <mgylling> … registries dont necessarily point to an online document or an epub; DOI as an example can point to anything although you can use DOI for this purpose
… registries dont necessarily point to an online document or an epub; DOI as an example can point to anything although you can use DOI for this purpose ←
16:10:41 <mgylling> … news is different because they have a firehose [???]
… news is different because they have a firehose [of identifiers generated daily] ←
16:11:04 <mgylling> … talking about all those identifiers, we need to accomodate any kind of publication
… talking about all those identifiers, we need to accomodate any kind of publication ←
16:11:11 <tzviya> s/???/of identifiers generated daily
16:11:24 <mgylling> … it may be that those IDs used today maybe arent relevant to CID
… it may be that those IDs used today maybe arent relevant to CID ←
16:11:31 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:11:57 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:11:59 <mgylling> … is this actually a metadata TF activity, or a new TF? Do we need to start over and recruit people from the beginning?
… is this actually a metadata TF activity, or a new TF? Do we need to start over and recruit people from the beginning? ←
16:12:14 <Zakim> +[Sophia]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Sophia] ←
16:12:29 <mgylling> tzviya: from my POV, it doesnt matter what we call the TF
Tzviya Siegman: from my POV, it doesnt matter what we call the TF ←
16:12:48 <mgylling> … looked at Wileys journals, found 5 different ways to do identifiers
… looked at Wileys journals, found 5 different ways to do identifiers ←
16:12:52 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:13:02 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
16:13:12 <mgylling> … we need to come to consensus about our recommendation, use cases and business incentives [???]
… we need to come to consensus about our recommendation, use cases and business requirements [???] ←
16:13:35 <tzviya> s/business incentives/ business requirements
16:13:45 <mgylling> ivan: dont care about the name of the task force either, but there is an intersection of people
Ivan Herman: dont care about the name of the task force either, but there is an intersection of people ←
16:13:56 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:14:00 <mgylling> … requires a certain experience and mindset, and that’s all what really counts for me
… requires a certain experience and mindset, and that’s all what really counts for me ←
16:14:24 <mgylling> Bill_Kasdorf: we will need to recruit additional expertise
Bill Kasdorf: we will need to recruit additional expertise ←
16:14:51 <mgylling> tzviya: we need volunteers to work on this: volunteer now, contact BillK or add your name to the TF page
Tzviya Siegman: we need volunteers to work on this: volunteer now, contact BillK or add your name to the TF page ←
16:15:58 <mgylling> Bill_Kasdorf: please sign up again on new wiki page
Bill Kasdorf: please sign up again on new wiki page ←
16:16:26 <tzviya> action Thierry create new wiki for identifiers TF
Tzviya Siegman: action Thierry create new wiki for identifiers TF ←
16:16:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-47 - Create new wiki for identifiers tf [on Thierry Michel - due 2015-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-47 - Create new wiki for identifiers tf [on Thierry Michel - due 2015-03-02]. ←
16:17:14 <mgylling> topic: overview of packaging spec
16:17:24 <ivan> http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/
Ivan Herman: http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/ ←
16:17:27 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?
Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here? ←
16:17:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, Ivan, astein, Tzviya, philm, julie, duga, dauwhe, dkaplan3, pkra, Karen_Myers, Markus, HeatherF, Luc, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, mgarrish, pbelfanti,
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16:17:31 <Zakim> ... Susann_Keohane, Thierry, Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Susann_Keohane, Thierry, Bert ←
16:17:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Bert, pbelfanti_, Susann_Keohane, mgarrish, bjdmeest, Bill_Kasdorf, HeatherF, Julie_Morris, dkaplan3, tzviya, phil_m, pkra, philm, laudrain, brady_duga,
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16:17:31 <Zakim> ... astein, mgylling, clapierre, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, rego, iank, mihnea_____, plinss, Karen, astearns, trackbot
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16:17:51 <mgylling> ivan: this is an editors note that evolves
Ivan Herman: this is an editors note that evolves ←
16:18:12 <mgylling> … for the time being Jeni has left the editors role to Yves Lafont
… for the time being Jeni has left the editors role to Yves Lafon ←
16:18:39 <mgylling> … if we find somebody in this group or around us that is interested in being co-editor, we would be thrilled
… if we find somebody in this group or around us that is interested in being co-editor, we would be thrilled ←
16:19:17 <mgylling> … the hope is that packaging in general might eventually become browser-native, of course not sure that it will happen, but we know that some browser vendors are interested in it
… the hope is that packaging in general might eventually become browser-native, of course not sure that it will happen, but we know that some browser vendors are interested in it ←
16:19:34 <ivan> https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Notes-on-Packaging
Ivan Herman: https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Notes-on-Packaging ←
16:19:36 <mgylling> … might become the packaging format for EPUB-WEB
… might become the packaging format for EPUB-WEB ←
16:19:39 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Notes-on-Packaging
Tzviya Siegman: https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Notes-on-Packaging ←
16:20:37 <mgylling> … three important parts: 1)packaging itself (how to combine files in a file), 2)the fragment identifier specification, although its not a main section in the doc and 3)link relationship which is defined
… three important parts: 1)packaging itself (how to combine files in a file), 2)the fragment identifier specification, although its not a main section in the doc and 3)link relationship which is defined ←
16:21:21 <Zakim> -clapierre
Zakim IRC Bot: -clapierre ←
16:21:31 <mgylling> … packaging is multipart mime, and [http mumbo jumbo with headers]
… packaging is multipart mime, and [http mumbo jumbo with headers] ←
16:21:34 <Zakim> + +1.408.896.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.408.896.aaff ←
16:21:41 <clapierre> zakim, aaff is me
Charles LaPierre: zakim, aaff is me ←
16:21:42 <Zakim> +clapierre; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +clapierre; got it ←
16:21:48 <mgylling> … each part can be compressed individually
… each part can be compressed individually ←
16:22:23 <mgylling> … advantage that I see from our POV is that in fact a package like this is really a small website which is put in one place, reinforced by http
… advantage that I see from our POV is that in fact a package like this is really a small website which is put in one place, reinforced by http ←
16:22:43 <mgylling> … brings it even closer to webiness (multipart mime vs zip)
… brings it even closer to webiness (multipart mime vs zip) ←
16:23:11 <mgylling> … for example, metadata via http headers, can be used for book purposes
… for example, metadata via http headers, can be used for book purposes ←
16:23:19 <Zakim> +MikeMiller
Zakim IRC Bot: +MikeMiller ←
16:23:24 <Bert> s/Lafont/Lafon/
16:23:36 <mgylling> … e.g. link header to create sequence of document
… e.g. link header to create sequence of documents ←
16:23:44 <mgylling> s/document/documents
16:24:23 <mgylling> … one other aspect is that it is possible to do content negotiation for e.g. language
… one other aspect is that it is possible to do content negotiation for e.g. language ←
16:25:48 <mgylling> … link relationship: defines a new type of linkage for packages for clients
… link relationship: defines a new type of linkage for packages for clients ←
16:26:20 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
16:26:24 <mgylling> … we might imagine a scenario with a lending page that via the link mechanism bootstraps getting the package
… we might imagine a scenario with a lending page that via the link mechanism bootstraps getting the package ←
16:26:52 <mgylling> … fragment identifier: tries to solve how to get into the fragment of a document that is part of the package
… fragment identifier: tries to solve how to get into the fragment of a document that is part of the package ←
16:28:21 <mgylling> … is a three-step approach: 1) find a number of candidate URIs from within the package 2) filter 3)traditional fragment as per media type of filter result
… is a three-step approach: 1) find a number of candidate URIs from within the package 2) filter 3)traditional fragment as per media type of filter result ←
16:28:30 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:28:49 <mgylling> … dont know whether it covers all that we need, this is one thing we need to look at
… dont know whether it covers all that we need, this is one thing we need to look at ←
16:29:13 <mgylling> … dave cramer posted a mail
… dave cramer posted a mail ←
16:29:17 <ivan> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015Feb/att-0007/mobydick.pack.zip
Ivan Herman: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2015Feb/att-0007/mobydick.pack.zip ←
16:30:24 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Tzviya Siegman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:30:29 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:31:04 <mgylling> Bill_Kasdorf: do resources need to know what packages they belong to?
Bill Kasdorf: do resources need to know what packages they belong to? ←
16:31:30 <mgylling> ivan: all resources are copied into the package
Ivan Herman: all resources are copied into the package ←
16:31:58 <mgylling> … http header can contain expiration rules
… http header can contain expiration rules ←
16:32:02 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
Zakim IRC Bot: -Susann_Keohane ←
16:32:42 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:32:53 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
16:33:20 <mgylling> … you can reconstruct the original URI of a resource on the web using expiration
… you can reconstruct the original URI of a resource on the web using expiration ←
16:34:14 <mgylling> ivan: differences vis-a-vis zip: many of concepts rely on web approaches, relies on tech and tools that are used on the web, so if the goal is to bring the document world closer to the web, that pays off
Ivan Herman: differences vis-a-vis zip: many of concepts rely on web approaches, relies on tech and tools that are used on the web, so if the goal is to bring the document world closer to the web, that pays off ←
16:35:09 <mgylling> … http header fields which are pretty powerful, and those are evolving, new headers, new header subinfo, this means that by inheritance we get http evolution in the package, we dont have to reinvent
… http header fields which are pretty powerful, and those are evolving, new headers, new header subinfo, this means that by inheritance we get http evolution in the package, we dont have to reinvent ←
16:35:20 <mgylling> … for example the spine may become unnecessary
… for example the spine may become unnecessary ←
16:35:29 <Bert> (Note that the document itself lists three advantages over zip: streamable, easier to create *well*, more metadata.)
Bert Bos: (Note that the document itself lists three advantages over zip: streamable, easier to create *well*, more metadata.) ←
16:35:36 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
16:35:50 <mgylling> tzviya: the document also points out that zip is hard to create well, and has limited metadata
Tzviya Siegman: the document also points out that zip is hard to create well, and has limited metadata ←
16:35:56 <tzviya> ack brady_duga
Tzviya Siegman: ack brady_duga ←
16:36:07 <mgylling> ivan: this is much better suited for streaming than zip
Ivan Herman: this is much better suited for streaming than zip ←
16:38:01 <mgylling> brady_duga: the packaging spec lists zip drawbacks, I think the metadata is the strongest. The comment that they are hard to create to is strange: there are tools to create zips but none to create these packages, also streamability can be done easily by subsetting zip.
Brady Duga: the packaging spec lists zip drawbacks, I think the metadata is the strongest. The comment that they are hard to create to is strange: there are tools to create zips but none to create these packages, also streamability can be done easily by subsetting zip. ←
16:38:17 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:38:20 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
16:39:07 <mgylling> ivan: a bit sidetracking: I was at another conference in january, a presentation that showed that you can build up complicated things [???] by using http headers instead of RDF et.al.
Ivan Herman: a bit sidetracking: I was at another conference in january, a presentation that showed that you can build up complicated things [???] by using http headers instead of RDF et.al. ←
16:40:21 <mgylling> brady_duga: the intent is that you still have a full html file with references as usual, more of a cache use case?
Brady Duga: the intent is that you still have a full html file with references as usual, more of a cache use case? ←
16:40:58 <mgylling> ivan: facilitating cache is clearly one use case, but downloading a whole web application is closer to our book use case
Ivan Herman: facilitating cache is clearly one use case, but downloading a whole web application is closer to our book use case ←
16:41:32 <mgylling> … if epub-web goes that way, epub-web would define additional definitions on top (restrictions or requirements)
… if epub-web goes that way, epub-web would define additional definitions on top (restrictions or requirements) ←
16:42:02 <Zakim> -duga
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16:42:41 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:42:43 <mgylling> tzviya: keep in mind that publications go beyond traditional books (e.g. article+data sets)
Tzviya Siegman: keep in mind that publications go beyond traditional books (e.g. article+data sets) ←
16:43:22 <mgylling> tzviya: last point is to consider whether we want to comment on this spec and what we would need to layer on top
Tzviya Siegman: last point is to consider whether we want to comment on this spec and what we would need to layer on top ←
16:44:09 <Zakim> +duga
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16:45:25 <mgylling> topic: webapps manifest
16:45:40 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Notes-on-Manifest-for-Web-Apps
Tzviya Siegman: https://github.com/w3c/epubweb/wiki/Notes-on-Manifest-for-Web-Apps ←
16:46:13 <mgylling> tzviya: these are just notes, we’ve been asked to provide comments by March 5
Tzviya Siegman: these are just notes, we’ve been asked to provide comments by March 5 ←
16:47:10 <mgylling> tzviya: points to pay attention to: method for signalling installability, defines a URL for navigation scope, interesting to see how that interplays with packaging spec
Tzviya Siegman: points to pay attention to: method for signalling installability, defines a URL for navigation scope, interesting to see how that interplays with packaging spec ←
16:47:24 <mgylling> … impacts deep linking
… impacts deep linking ←
16:47:54 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:48:46 <mgylling> … also display mode: four specfied. And a fallback chain. Orientation specifiable for example.
… also display mode: four specfied. And a fallback chain. Orientation specifiable for example. ←
16:50:03 <mgylling> … members of the manifest: details on what can be included. Because this is deveoped for apps, deals a lot with install issues. But interesting for us is the scope, display and orientation needs to be figured out if it is sufficient
… members of the manifest: details on what can be included. Because this is deveoped for apps, deals a lot with install issues. But interesting for us is the scope, display and orientation needs to be figured out if it is sufficient ←
16:50:26 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:50:30 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
16:51:05 <mgylling> ivan: two things: question: is the manifest file open in the sense that we can add additional terms, or is it closed?
Ivan Herman: two things: question: is the manifest file open in the sense that we can add additional terms, or is it closed? ←
16:51:29 <mgylling> tzviya: seems to be closed, but have the request for comments
Tzviya Siegman: seems to be closed, but have the request for comments ←
16:51:34 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
16:52:02 <mgylling> ivan: scope: I didnt talk about that but packaging document also has scope, not sure how these two meet
Ivan Herman: scope: I didnt talk about that but packaging document also has scope, not sure how these two meet ←
16:52:18 <mgylling> … you can add a scope hint
… you can add a scope hint ←
16:52:33 <tzviya> ack dauwhe
Tzviya Siegman: ack dauwhe ←
16:53:09 <mgylling> dauwhe: title and stuff, by first reaction to this is that is only miminal data for apps (icon, title phrase, start)
Dave Cramer: title and stuff, by first reaction to this is that is only miminal data for apps (icon, title phrase, start) ←
16:53:27 <mgylling> dauwhe: I dont think we want to turn this into the book metadata space
Dave Cramer: I dont think we want to turn this into the book metadata space ←
16:53:30 <mgylling> +1
+1 ←
16:53:41 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:53:42 <mgylling> … but dont see the need for publication metadata in here
… but dont see the need for publication metadata in here ←
16:53:44 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
16:54:49 <mgylling> ivan: +1 from me too, maybe the manifest should be open so that various application areas can add additional terms
Ivan Herman: +1 from me too, maybe the manifest should be open so that various application areas can add additional terms ←
16:55:15 <mgylling> … its not realistic for the webapps wg to provide metadata fields for everybodys needs
… its not realistic for the webapps wg to provide metadata fields for everybodys needs ←
16:55:44 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:55:59 <mgylling> dauwhe: not even sure this is the appropriate place
Dave Cramer: not even sure this is the appropriate place ←
16:56:33 <mgylling> tzviya: we really need to get moving on this
Tzviya Siegman: we really need to get moving on this ←
16:56:43 <tzviya> streampub
Tzviya Siegman: streampub ←
16:56:47 <mgylling> … also a contest for remaning epub-web
… also a contest for remaning epub-web ←
16:57:15 <mgylling> topic: F2F
16:57:25 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details
Tzviya Siegman: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details ←
16:57:28 <mgylling> tzviya: book your hotel soon!
Tzviya Siegman: book your hotel soon! ←
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18:26:56 <liam> darn, had the wrong week for that meeting :(
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