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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 22 December 2014

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Ben De Meester, Bill Kasdorf, Charles LaPierre, Dave Cramer, Frederick Hirsch, Heather Flanagan, Ivan Herman, Julie Morris, Karen Myers, Luc Audrain, Madi Solomon, Markus Gylling, Michael Miller, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Thierry Michel, Timothy Cole, Tzviya Siegman, Unknown MikeMiller, Vladimir Levantovsky
Regrets
Unknown Alan, Frederick Hirsch, Phil Madans, Vladimir Levantovsky, Julie Morris
Chair
Markus Gylling
Scribe
Ben De Meester
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  1. the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January (modulo some editing) link
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15:43:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:43:10 <trackbot> Date: 22 December 2014
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15:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 22 December 2014
15:58:01 <Zakim> +[Ugent]

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15:58:10 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me

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15:58:10 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it

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15:58:22 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester

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15:58:30 <Zakim> +dauwhe

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15:58:54 <Zakim> +MikeMiller

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15:59:21 <mgylling> regrets: Alan, Frederick, Phil, Vladimir, Julie

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15:59:54 <HeatherF> And there's a newbie on the call.

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16:00:07 <Zakim> +pkra

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16:00:44 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf

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16:00:50 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here?

16:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, [IPcaller], Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, [IPcaller], Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf

16:00:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,

16:00:53 <Zakim> ... astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot

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16:00:54 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

16:00:55 <Zakim> +madi

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16:00:55 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

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16:00:57 <Zakim> +Ivan

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16:01:13 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

16:01:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, [IPcaller], Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, [IPcaller], Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan

16:01:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,

16:01:15 <Zakim> ... astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot

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16:01:38 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is HeatherF

Ivan Herman: zakim, IPcaller is HeatherF

16:01:38 <Zakim> +HeatherF; got it

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16:02:12 <ivan> chair: markus
16:02:13 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

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16:02:15 <Zakim> +??P0

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16:02:24 <ivan> scribenick: bjdmeest

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16:02:27 <tmichel> zakim, ??P0 is me

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16:02:27 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

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16:02:45 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?

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16:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, HeatherF, Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan, Karen_Myers, tmichel

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, HeatherF, Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan, Karen_Myers, tmichel

16:02:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__, mihnea_____,

16:02:47 <Zakim> ... astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot

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16:02:49 <bjdmeest> Markus: topics: metadata and a11y

Markus Gylling: topics: metadata and a11y

16:03:01 <bjdmeest> ... objections to last minutes?

... objections to last minutes?

16:03:09 <bjdmeest> .. no? approved

.. no? approved

16:03:15 <bjdmeest> TOPIC: next meeting

1. next meeting

16:03:29 <Zakim> +TimCole

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16:03:37 <bjdmeest> Markus: options: 5 or 12 january

Markus Gylling: options: 5 or 12 january

16:03:54 <Karen> DBW is 13-15 Jan.

Karen Myers: DBW is 13-15 Jan.

16:04:09 <bjdmeest> ... Will enough people be around at the fifth?

... Will enough people be around at the fifth?

16:04:09 <pkra> I'll be aroud.

Peter Krautzberger: I'll be aroud.

16:04:11 <pkra> around.

Peter Krautzberger: around.

16:04:18 <HeatherF> I will be available for both.

Heather Flanagan: I will be available for both.

16:04:21 <clapierre1> yes will be there

Charles LaPierre: yes will be there

16:04:23 <ivan> I'll be around

Ivan Herman: I'll be around

16:04:27 <bjdmeest> \me I'm available

\me I'm available

16:04:28 <Karen> Karen not available; at CES in LV

Karen Myers: Karen not available; at CES in LV

16:04:29 <Bill_Kasdorf> I'll be available

Bill Kasdorf: I'll be available

16:04:30 <TimCole> I'll be around on 5th

Timothy Cole: I'll be around on 5th

16:04:36 <AH_Miller> Good dates

Michael Miller: Good dates

16:05:05 <bjdmeest> Markus: allright, I will not be available, but everyone else seems to

Markus Gylling: allright, I will not be available, but everyone else seems to

16:05:14 <bjdmeest> tzviya: We have a new member

Tzviya Siegman: We have a new member

16:05:40 <bjdmeest> Heather: I work with publishing IETF and so on

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16:06:13 <bjdmeest> Markus: [gives new member advice]

Markus Gylling: [gives new member advice]

16:06:26 <Karen> Welcome, Heather!

Karen Myers: Welcome, Heather!

16:06:31 <tzviya> +1

Tzviya Siegman: +1

16:07:11 <bjdmeest> TOPIC: Metadata

2. Metadata

16:07:43 <madi_> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/

Madi Solomon: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/

16:07:48 <bjdmeest> Bill: everyone got a look at the draft of the notes

Bill Kasdorf: everyone got a look at the draft of the notes

16:07:53 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aaaa

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16:08:14 <bjdmeest> ... We would move on with the publication, without section 2

... We would move on with the publication, without section 2

16:08:29 <bjdmeest> ... Section 2 is replaced by a glossary (appendix A)

... Section 2 is replaced by a glossary (appendix A)

16:08:46 <bjdmeest> ... so section 2 is redundant, and section 3 will be renumbered

... so section 2 is redundant, and section 3 will be renumbered

16:09:23 <bjdmeest> ... We sensed that this TF would not uncover any serious issues in OWP

... We sensed that this TF would not uncover any serious issues in OWP

16:09:42 <bjdmeest> ... while publishers have many metadata issues, the ground of these issues are not part of the OWP

... while publishers have many metadata issues, the ground of these issues are not part of the OWP

16:09:50 <bjdmeest> ... some things might be refined

... some things might be refined

16:10:03 <HeatherF> no dropouts for me

Heather Flanagan: no dropouts for me

16:10:12 <bjdmeest> ... but the problems are :

... but the problems are :

16:10:22 <bjdmeest> ... there are a gazillion vocabaries

... there are a gazillion vocabaries

16:10:30 <bjdmeest> ... there are very specific vocabularies

... there are very specific vocabularies

16:10:39 <Zakim> - +33.6.48.38.aaaa

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16:10:53 <bjdmeest> ... W3C is providing a universal framework

... W3C is providing a universal framework

16:11:05 <bjdmeest> ... to express those vocabularies

... to express those vocabularies

16:11:13 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aabb

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16:11:19 <Zakim> -Markus

Zakim IRC Bot: -Markus

16:11:23 <HeatherF> ah.  That's a good clarification for me; I was wondering if/how the archivist-themed metadata might fit in all this.

Heather Flanagan: ah. That's a good clarification for me; I was wondering if/how the archivist-themed metadata might fit in all this.

16:11:44 <bjdmeest> ... We found that there are many different groups working on similar issues

... We found that there are many different groups working on similar issues

16:11:48 <Zakim> +Markus

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16:11:58 <bjdmeest> ... we want them to express withing and between domains the issues they face

... we want them to express withing and between domains the issues they face

16:12:29 <bjdmeest> ... they all need to talk to each other

... they all need to talk to each other

16:12:45 <bjdmeest> ... the second bullet point

... the second bullet point

16:12:57 <bjdmeest> ... tools and manuals of how to use metadata

... tools and manuals of how to use metadata

16:13:22 <bjdmeest> ... there were 2 subprojects: how much expressions of ID as URIs are there, and how many works are there about RDF?

... there were 2 subprojects: how much expressions of ID as URIs are there, and how many works are there about RDF?

16:13:40 <bjdmeest> ... Madi started with a gigantic list of Identifiers

... Madi started with a gigantic list of Identifiers

16:14:09 <bjdmeest> ... a majority of them _can_ be expressed as URIs, many of them _are_ expressed as URIs

... a majority of them _can_ be expressed as URIs, many of them _are_ expressed as URIs

16:14:16 <bjdmeest> ... but tends to be siloed

... but tends to be siloed

16:14:19 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

16:14:34 <bjdmeest> ... there are areas where certain IDs are not expressed at all as URIs

... there are areas where certain IDs are not expressed at all as URIs

16:14:43 <HeatherF> same

Heather Flanagan: same

16:14:45 <Karen> same

Karen Myers: same

16:15:24 <bjdmeest> ... ISBN is currently possible to be expressed as a URI

... ISBN is currently possible to be expressed as a URI

16:15:42 <bjdmeest> ... In both cases, the lists are not exhaustive

... In both cases, the lists are not exhaustive

16:16:03 <TimCole> q+ about identifiers included in list

Timothy Cole: q+ about identifiers included in list

16:16:04 <bjdmeest> ... Appendix C also shows a list of RDF-resources

... Appendix C also shows a list of RDF-resources

16:16:22 <TimCole> q+

Timothy Cole: q+

16:16:34 <bjdmeest> ... one of our criteria was: would an executive read this?

... one of our criteria was: would an executive read this?

16:16:40 <bjdmeest> ... this list is a starting point

... this list is a starting point

16:16:58 <bjdmeest> ... the issue is chicken-and-egg: no-one uses it because no-one uses it

... the issue is chicken-and-egg: no-one uses it because no-one uses it

16:17:16 <tmichel> zakim, who is here?

Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here?

16:17:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, HeatherF, Tzviya, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan, Karen_Myers, tmichel, TimCole, +33.6.48.38.aabb, Markus

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, HeatherF, Tzviya, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan, Karen_Myers, tmichel, TimCole, +33.6.48.38.aabb, Markus

16:17:17 <bjdmeest> ... What is needed is an expanding of these resources

... What is needed is an expanding of these resources

16:17:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi_, TimCole, Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi_, TimCole, Bill_Kasdorf, pkra, tmichel, bjdmeest, AH_Miller, mgylling, clapierre1, HeatherF, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, Karen, dauwhe, ivan, liam, rego, iank__,

16:17:19 <Zakim> ... mihnea_____, astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... mihnea_____, astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot

16:17:43 <bjdmeest> ... last point is to associate rights metadata with publications

... last point is to associate rights metadata with publications

16:17:48 <bjdmeest> ... e.g. ODL

... e.g. ODRL

16:18:21 <mgylling> s/ODL/ODRL/
16:19:38 <bjdmeest> ... personally, There should be an underlying framework to work with multiple vocabularies

... personally, There should be an underlying framework to work with multiple vocabularies

16:20:18 <bjdmeest> ... conclusion: the more W3C can disseminate specs and technologies to increase the interoperability, the better

... conclusion: the more W3C can disseminate specs and technologies to increase the interoperability, the better

16:20:34 <bjdmeest> ... the note also includes the interviews (as mentioned before)

... the note also includes the interviews (as mentioned before)

16:20:35 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:20:59 <bjdmeest> tzviya: question: who's the target audience?

Tzviya Siegman: question: who's the target audience?

16:21:18 <bjdmeest> ... there is a lot of assumed knowledge of publishing _and_ OWP

... there is a lot of assumed knowledge of publishing _and_ OWP

16:21:35 <bjdmeest> ... I think we need one perspective, and a little more targeted

... I think we need one perspective, and a little more targeted

16:21:49 <madi_> q

Madi Solomon: q

16:22:47 <bjdmeest> Ivan: for W3C the question is: is there any work to be done by W3C?

Ivan Herman: for W3C the question is: is there any work to be done by W3C?

16:23:03 <bjdmeest> ... that was the starting position

... that was the starting position

16:23:46 <tmichel> who is calling from france with +33.6.48.38.aabb ?

Thierry Michel: who is calling from france with +33.6.48.38.aabb ?

16:24:15 <bjdmeest> Madi: I think we should have this one doc, with extra deepening docs

Madi Solomon: I think we should have this one doc, with extra deepening docs

16:24:56 <bjdmeest> Bill: This is more a progress reports, we don't want to replicate material that already existed

Bill Kasdorf: This is more a progress reports, we don't want to replicate material that already existed

16:25:27 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:25:56 <mgylling> ack TimCole

Markus Gylling: ack TimCole

16:26:13 <bjdmeest> TimCole: there are some very usefull documents on the Web

Timothy Cole: there are some very usefull documents on the Web

16:26:21 <bjdmeest> ... about URIs etc

... about URIs etc

16:26:56 <bjdmeest> ... One of the things that came up: what are good example URIs?

... One of the things that came up: what are good example URIs?

16:27:06 <bjdmeest> ... e.g., Google URI is not neutral

... e.g., Google URI is not neutral

16:28:00 <bjdmeest> ... the tradeoff: do we want to include useful URIs, even though they are tied to organizations?

... the tradeoff: do we want to include useful URIs, even though they are tied to organizations?

16:28:11 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

16:28:12 <Karen> +1 include library communties

Karen Myers: +1 include library communties

16:28:44 <bjdmeest> Ivan: [about not including google IDs]

Ivan Herman: [about not including google IDs]

16:28:56 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

16:29:20 <bjdmeest> ... The google way examplifies an organization that does some work for itself, and adds some useable URIs for itself

... The google way examplifies an organization that does some work for itself, and adds some useable URIs for itself

16:29:39 <bjdmeest> ... if we do that, we should add more than just Google URIs (e.g., Gutenberg, Europeana, etc)

... if we do that, we should add more than just Google URIs (e.g., Gutenberg, Europeana, etc)

16:30:06 <bjdmeest> ... atm, the current URIs are standard or from a group of organizations

... atm, the current URIs are standard or from a group of organizations

16:30:20 <bjdmeest> Bill: trade publishers will say: what about Amazon?

Bill Kasdorf: trade publishers will say: what about Amazon?

16:30:33 <bjdmeest> Ivan: indeed

Ivan Herman: indeed

16:30:43 <bjdmeest> ... We can review the note in a year

... We can review the note in a year

16:30:58 <bjdmeest> ... but now, we need to be consistent

... but now, we need to be consistent

16:31:23 <bjdmeest> TimCole: do we have text in the note about those IDs (Google, Amazon), that explains the rationale?

Timothy Cole: do we have text in the note about those IDs (Google, Amazon), that explains the rationale?

16:31:28 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:31:29 <bjdmeest> Bill: that should be good

Bill Kasdorf: that should be good

16:31:57 <bjdmeest> tzviya: Explanation about only listing the non-proprietary IDs would be good

Tzviya Siegman: Explanation about only listing the non-proprietary IDs would be good

16:33:07 <bjdmeest> Bill: The note could be publishable with the changes mentioned? (leaving out section to and adding the URI explanation)

Bill Kasdorf: The note could be publishable with the changes mentioned? (leaving out section to and adding the URI explanation)

16:33:33 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes

Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:33:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html tmichel

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html tmichel

16:33:43 <ivan> PROPOSED: the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January

PROPOSED: the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January

16:34:15 <Karen> +1 add some context per Tzviya's suggestion

Karen Myers: +1 add some context per Tzviya's suggestion

16:34:17 <HeatherF> I think those subsequent projects would be useful

Heather Flanagan: I think those subsequent projects would be useful

16:34:27 <bjdmeest> Bill: question: do we want to alude to the point that we want to do subsequent projects?

Bill Kasdorf: question: do we want to alude to the point that we want to do subsequent projects?

16:34:58 <bjdmeest> Ivan: ATM, I am not sure that we have reasonable chances to do more projects properly

Ivan Herman: ATM, I am not sure that we have reasonable chances to do more projects properly

16:35:06 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:35:12 <mgylling> +1

Markus Gylling: +1

16:35:13 <bjdmeest> +1

+1

16:35:17 <HeatherF> +1

Heather Flanagan: +1

16:35:18 <laudrain> +1

Luc Audrain: +1

16:35:19 <madi_> +1

Madi Solomon: +1

16:35:19 <clapierre1> +1

Charles LaPierre: +1

16:35:20 <pkra> +1

Peter Krautzberger: +1

16:35:22 <TimCole> +1

Timothy Cole: +1

16:35:25 <tzviya> +1

Tzviya Siegman: +1

16:35:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1

Bill Kasdorf: +1

16:35:44 <dauwhe> +1 with edits suggested by Tzviya

Dave Cramer: +1 with edits suggested by Tzviya

16:35:48 <ivan> RESOLUTION: the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January (modulo some editing)

RESOLVED: the metadata report should be published as a NOTE in January (modulo some editing)

16:36:15 <bjdmeest> TOPIC: A11Y

3. A11Y

16:36:21 <AH_Miller> +1

Michael Miller: +1

16:36:23 <clapierre1> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/wiki

Charles LaPierre: https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/wiki

16:37:16 <bjdmeest> clapierre: The wiki has three sections

Charles LaPierre: The wiki has three sections

16:37:59 <bjdmeest> ... We are going to see which techniques are relevant for DPUB

... We are going to see which techniques are relevant for DPUB

16:38:24 <bjdmeest> ... then, from that sublist, we go from the google sheets to the wiki

... then, from that sublist, we go from the google sheets to the wiki

16:38:36 <bjdmeest> ... as there are a lot of people working on these techniques list

... as there are a lot of people working on these techniques list

16:38:48 <bjdmeest> ... afterwards, we will dig into the relevant techniques

... afterwards, we will dig into the relevant techniques

16:38:56 <bjdmeest> ... and look for comments, provide examples

... and look for comments, provide examples

16:39:20 <bjdmeest> ... our ultimate goal is to create an accessible note on a11y

... our ultimate goal is to create an accessible note on a11y

16:39:39 <bjdmeest> ... with comments of what publishers should be aware of, and what we might need

... with comments of what publishers should be aware of, and what we might need

16:39:53 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

16:40:05 <bjdmeest> ... I am not sure if we need to be concerned about ARIA, except for UAAG WCAG and ATAG

... I am not sure if we need to be concerned about ARIA, except for UAAG WCAG and ATAG

16:40:21 <mgylling> ack Bill_K

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K

16:40:50 <bjdmeest> Bill_K: observation: what is your target audience?

Bill Kasdorf: observation: what is your target audience?

16:40:56 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:41:44 <bjdmeest> clapierre: we want guidelines for publishers, not for W3C recommendation

Charles LaPierre: we want guidelines for publishers, not for W3C recommendation

16:42:03 <bjdmeest> ... if there are gaps, we would escalate that to protocols and standards, for example

... if there are gaps, we would escalate that to protocols and standards, for example

16:42:03 <mgylling> ack Ivan

Markus Gylling: ack Ivan

16:42:52 <bjdmeest> Ivan: question: whether the 3 docs (WCAG etc) cover what the publishers need

Ivan Herman: question: whether the 3 docs (WCAG etc) cover what the publishers need

16:43:01 <bjdmeest> ... that needs to be answered to the W3C groups

... that needs to be answered to the W3C groups

16:43:12 <bjdmeest> ... this is easier than metadata, easier to separate

... this is easier than metadata, easier to separate

16:43:32 <bjdmeest> ... 2nd question: what are the used techniques

... 2nd question: what are the used techniques

16:43:43 <bjdmeest> ... again, less of a problem then for metadata TF

... again, less of a problem then for metadata TF

16:44:12 <bjdmeest> ... [about ARIA] that work is very different, this TF should focus on the current 3, and put ARIA aside for the moment

... [about ARIA] that work is very different, this TF should focus on the current 3, and put ARIA aside for the moment

16:44:27 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

16:44:56 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

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16:45:00 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:45:39 <bjdmeest> clapierre: we just got the google sheets done, and linked from our wiki, now it is a matter of filtering the content

Charles LaPierre: we just got the google sheets done, and linked from our wiki, now it is a matter of filtering the content

16:45:55 <bjdmeest> ... we will concentrate in the first quarter of 2015 if the status is good

... we will concentrate in the first quarter of 2015 if the status is good

16:46:27 <bjdmeest> tzviya: concern: It looks like an enormeous amount of work, do you have enough resources to move forward?

Tzviya Siegman: concern: It looks like an enormeous amount of work, do you have enough resources to move forward?

16:46:50 <bjdmeest> clapierre: I will link to the google sheets, then everybody can edit

Charles LaPierre: I will link to the google sheets, then everybody can edit

16:47:46 <bjdmeest> Markus: [about whether this is the right approach] I certainly think they are not out of scope, this is very relevant work

Markus Gylling: [about whether this is the right approach] I certainly think they are not out of scope, this is very relevant work

16:48:04 <bjdmeest> ... starting with the guideline trio is good to me

... starting with the guideline trio is good to me

16:48:46 <bjdmeest> ... covering DPUB needs in these documents using ARIA? No, ARIA covers very rudimentary html pages, not books or magazines

... covering DPUB needs in these documents using ARIA? No, ARIA covers very rudimentary html pages, not books or magazines

16:48:56 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:48:57 <bjdmeest> ... we don't need to throw ourselves at that right now

... we don't need to throw ourselves at that right now

16:49:18 <bjdmeest> Markus: [about resources] what is your timeline for hitting a first readable version?

Markus Gylling: [about resources] what is your timeline for hitting a first readable version?

16:49:30 <bjdmeest> clapierre: we are with a dozen or less, we could be a lot bigger

Charles LaPierre: we are with a dozen or less, we could be a lot bigger

16:49:39 <bjdmeest> .. if anyone is interested, we need some extra help

.. if anyone is interested, we need some extra help

16:50:11 <bjdmeest> ... this TF has always had a difficulty to find people

... this TF has always had a difficulty to find people

16:50:35 <bjdmeest> ... a lot of people, a lot of timezones (for organizing conf calls)

... a lot of people, a lot of timezones (for organizing conf calls)

16:50:50 <bjdmeest> ... I hope to get something by the end of the first quarter

... I hope to get something by the end of the first quarter

16:51:13 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aacc

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16:51:16 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:51:16 <bjdmeest> ... Once experts have determined what is relevant, we can go from the google sheets to the Wiki

... Once experts have determined what is relevant, we can go from the google sheets to the Wiki

16:51:23 <bjdmeest> ... but no fixed timeline

... but no fixed timeline

16:51:49 <bjdmeest> Markus: So, once all google sheets are ready, they are all fed into the wiki?

Markus Gylling: So, once all google sheets are ready, they are all fed into the wiki?

16:51:53 <bjdmeest> clapierre: yes

Charles LaPierre: yes

16:52:20 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Luc

Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is Luc

16:52:20 <Zakim> +Luc; got it

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16:52:36 <bjdmeest> Markus: There is a lot of work

Markus Gylling: There is a lot of work

16:52:45 <bjdmeest> ... How can the IG stay connected to this?

... How can the IG stay connected to this?

16:53:16 <bjdmeest> clapierre: I don't have any ideas, tzviay is on our TF as well

Charles LaPierre: I don't have any ideas, tzviay is on our TF as well

16:53:59 <bjdmeest> tzviya: It would be good to have a (bi-)weekly telcon, maybe on alternating timezones

Tzviya Siegman: It would be good to have a (bi-)weekly telcon, maybe on alternating timezones

16:54:47 <bjdmeest> ... to have, e.g.,  something finished by the end of january, and DPUB issues can be solved starting from february

... to have, e.g., something finished by the end of january, and DPUB issues can be solved starting from february

16:55:14 <bjdmeest> Markus: that concludes today, and that concludes this year

Markus Gylling: that concludes today, and that concludes this year

16:55:27 <bjdmeest> ... next telcon on january 5th 2015

... next telcon on january 5th 2015

16:55:35 <HeatherF> Thanks all!

Heather Flanagan: Thanks all!

16:55:43 <pkra> happy holidays!

Peter Krautzberger: happy holidays!

16:55:43 <laudrain> happy new year

Luc Audrain: happy new year

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16:55:45 <tzviya> happy new year

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16:55:56 <mgylling> +regrets Ayla

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16:56:01 <Zakim> Attendees were clapierre, Tzviya, Markus, bjdmeest, dauwhe, MikeMiller, pkra, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, Ivan, HeatherF, Karen_Myers, tmichel, TimCole, +33.6.48.38.aaaa, +33.6.48.38.aabb,

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