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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 17 November 2014

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Alan Stearns, Ayla Stein, Ben De Meester, Bert Bos, Bill Kasdorf, Brady Duga, Charles LaPierre, Dave Cramer, David Stroup, Deborah Kaplan, Julie Morris, Karen Myers, Liza Daly, Luc Audrain, Madi Solomon, Markus Gylling, Paul Belfanti, Peter Krautzberger, Phil Madans, Robert Sanderson, Susann Keohane, Thierry Michel, Timothy Cole, Tzviya Siegman, Unknown pat_pagano
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16:00:45 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/17-dpub-irc

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16:00:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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16:00:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub

16:00:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM already started

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16:00:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
16:00:50 <trackbot> Date: 17 November 2014
16:00:52 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here?

16:00:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, [Safari], +1.212.364.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, +1.339.203.aacc, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, +1.646.336.aaee, TimCole, Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, [Safari], +1.212.364.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, +1.339.203.aacc, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, +1.646.336.aaee, TimCole, Luc

16:00:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss,

16:00:57 <Zakim> ... astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

16:01:11 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaa has dauwhe

Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaa has dauwhe

16:01:11 <Zakim> sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'

16:01:13 <tzviya> zakim, aaee is Julie

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aaee is Julie

16:01:13 <Zakim> +Julie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Julie; got it

16:01:15 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

16:01:19 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaaa has dauwhe

Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaaa has dauwhe

16:01:19 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe; got it

16:01:21 <dkaplan3> zakim, aac is me

Deborah Kaplan: zakim, aac is me

16:01:21 <Zakim> sorry, dkaplan3, I do not recognize a party named 'aac'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dkaplan3, I do not recognize a party named 'aac'

16:01:23 <Zakim> +azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth

16:01:25 <liza> zakim, Safari is me

Liza Daly: zakim, Safari is me

16:01:25 <Zakim> +liza; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +liza; got it

16:01:26 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

16:01:30 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaaa has philm

Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaaa has philm

16:01:30 <Zakim> +philm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +philm; got it

16:01:36 <tzviya> zakim, is dkaplan3

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, is dkaplan3

16:01:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'is dkaplan3', tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'is dkaplan3', tzviya

16:01:40 <dkaplan3> zakim, aacc is me

Deborah Kaplan: zakim, aacc is me

16:01:41 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan3; got it

16:01:47 <tzviya> zakim, aacc is dkaplan3

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aacc is dkaplan3

16:01:47 <Zakim> sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

16:01:49 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here?

16:01:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga

16:01:51 <Zakim> +1.212.364.aaaa has philm

Zakim IRC Bot: +1.212.364.aaaa has philm

16:01:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm, tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam,

16:01:51 <Zakim> ... dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

16:01:51 <Zakim> +azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth

16:01:52 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf

16:01:58 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, aabb is Susann_Keohane

Susann Keohane: zakim, aabb is Susann_Keohane

16:01:58 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Susann_Keohane; got it

16:02:01 <Zakim> +Thierry

Zakim IRC Bot: +Thierry

16:02:05 <tzviya> zakim, aacc is dkaplan3

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aacc is dkaplan3

16:02:05 <Zakim> sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'

16:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.201.783.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.783.aaff

16:02:19 <Zakim> +madi

Zakim IRC Bot: +madi

16:02:26 <Zakim> +[Ugent]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent]

16:02:32 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me

Ben De Meester: zakim, Ugent is me

16:02:32 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bjdmeest; got it

16:02:33 <Zakim> +Stearns

Zakim IRC Bot: +Stearns

16:02:38 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here?

16:02:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry,

16:02:40 <tzviya> zakim, who is here?

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, who is here?

16:02:42 <Zakim> ... +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns

16:02:42 <Zakim> +1.212.364.aaaa has philm

Zakim IRC Bot: +1.212.364.aaaa has philm

16:02:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,

16:02:42 <Zakim> ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

16:02:42 <astein> Zakim, 217 is Ayla Stein

Ayla Stein: Zakim, 217 is Ayla Stein

16:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, liza, +1.212.364.aaaa, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry,

16:02:44 <Zakim> ... +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns

16:02:44 <Zakim> +1.212.364.aaaa has philm

Zakim IRC Bot: +1.212.364.aaaa has philm

16:02:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,

16:02:44 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben_De_Meester

Ben De Meester: Present+ Ben_De_Meester

16:02:48 <Zakim> ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

16:02:48 <Zakim> I don't understand '217 is Ayla Stein', astein

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '217 is Ayla Stein', astein

16:02:53 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

16:02:56 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe

(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)

16:03:22 <tzviya> zakim, aadd is astein

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aadd is astein

16:03:22 <Zakim> +astein; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +astein; got it

16:03:28 <Karen> zakim, code?

Karen Myers: zakim, code?

16:03:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Karen

16:03:36 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is cutting sheet metal?

Zakim, who is cutting sheet metal?

16:03:36 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dauwhe.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, dauwhe.

16:03:51 <tzviya> zakim, aaaa is pat_pagano

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aaaa is pat_pagano

16:03:51 <Zakim> +pat_pagano; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pat_pagano; got it

16:03:53 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's get going

Markus Gylling: let's get going

16:04:02 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers

16:04:07 <dauwhe> we will devote this call to metadata

we will devote this call to metadata

16:04:12 <tzviya> zakim, aadd is astein

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aadd is astein

16:04:12 <Zakim> sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tzviya, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

16:04:23 <Zakim> +Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert

16:04:29 <tzviya> zakim who is here?

Tzviya Siegman: zakim who is here?

16:04:38 <dauwhe> mgylling: we'll go through your actions and talk about them

Markus Gylling: we'll go through your actions and talk about them

16:04:53 <dauwhe> ... we asked offline about figuring out what BISG is doing in this area

... we asked offline about figuring out what BISG is doing in this area

16:04:54 <tzviya> zakim, who is here?

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, who is here?

16:04:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see clapierre, liza, pat_pagano, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, astein, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry, +1.201.783.aaff,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see clapierre, liza, pat_pagano, Susann_Keohane, Tzviya, dkaplan3, astein, pkra, Markus, Julie, TimCole, Luc, duga, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Thierry, +1.201.783.aaff,

16:04:57 <Zakim> ... madi, bjdmeest, Stearns, ??P18, Karen_Myers, Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: ... madi, bjdmeest, Stearns, ??P18, Karen_Myers, Bert

16:04:58 <Zakim> pat_pagano has philm

Zakim IRC Bot: pat_pagano has philm

16:04:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bert, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bert, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, pbelfanti, pat_pagano, laudrain, bjdmeest, Zakim, RRSAgent, TimCole, Susann_Keohane, Julie, liza, brady_duga, pkra, astein, clapierre, philm,

16:04:58 <Zakim> ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... tmichel, tzviya, mgylling, azaroth, fjh, Karen, liam, dauwhe, plinss, astearns, iank_, rego, mihnea_____, dkaplan3, trackbot

16:05:08 <dauwhe> ... so we asked Julie and Phil to be ready to outline what BISG is doing with metadata

... so we asked Julie and Phil to be ready to outline what BISG is doing with metadata

16:05:22 <dauwhe> ... we don't want to duplicate effort or create confusion

... we don't want to duplicate effort or create confusion

16:05:59 <dauwhe> ... we need to approve last week's minutes

... we need to approve last week's minutes

16:06:04 <tzviya> zakim, aaff is pbelfanti

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aaff is pbelfanti

16:06:04 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pbelfanti; got it

16:06:10 <dauwhe> Minutes approved.

Minutes approved.

16:06:51 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's start with metadata rather than administrivia

Markus Gylling: let's start with metadata rather than administrivia

16:07:01 <dauwhe> ... OK to start with Phil/Julie?

... OK to start with Phil/Julie?

16:07:15 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: let me start with task force

Bill Kasdorf: let me start with task force

16:07:22 <dauwhe> ... 3 assignments from tpac

... 3 assignments from tpac

16:07:30 <dauwhe> ... First, investigate identifiers as URIs

... First, investigate identifiers as URIs

16:07:40 <dauwhe> ... Second, educate people on RDF

... Second, educate people on RDF

16:07:53 <dauwhe> ... Third, update documentation we've compliled and turn into w3c note

... Third, update documentation we've compiled and turn into w3c note

16:08:00 <dauwhe> s/compliled/compiled/
16:08:15 <dauwhe> ... I'm now focused on this

... I'm now focused on this

16:08:30 <dauwhe> ... we have highly qualified volunteers

... we have highly qualified volunteers

16:08:36 <dauwhe> ... what should we call them?

... what should we call them?

16:08:44 <dauwhe> mgylling: they are deliverables

Markus Gylling: they are deliverables

16:09:28 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: If anyone else wants to participate, please volunteer

Bill Kasdorf: If anyone else wants to participate, please volunteer

16:09:42 <dauwhe> ... lots of suggestions for RDF educational resources

... lots of suggestions for RDF educational resources

16:09:59 <dauwhe> ... on IDs in URIs, I think issue is

... on IDs in URIs, I think issue is

16:10:14 <dauwhe> ... lots of IDs can and should be expressed as URIs to be actionable

... lots of IDs can and should be expressed as URIs to be actionable

16:10:26 <dauwhe> ... some of the organizations do suggest this (like CrossRef)

... some of the organizations do suggest this (like CrossRef)

16:10:43 <dauwhe> ... assemble a list of IDs

... assemble a list of IDs

16:10:47 <Zakim> + +1.585.217.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.585.217.aagg

16:10:56 <Zakim> -Stearns

Zakim IRC Bot: -Stearns

16:11:10 <dauwhe> ... see if governing organazation suggests they be expressed as URI

... see if governing organization suggests they be expressed as URI

16:11:18 <dauwhe> s/organazation/organization
16:11:28 <david_stroup> I'm 585.217

David Stroup: I'm 585.217

16:11:37 <Zakim> +Stearns

Zakim IRC Bot: +Stearns

16:11:44 <dauwhe> ... for example, ISBN *can* be expressed as URI but is uncommon

... for example, ISBN *can* be expressed as URI but is uncommon

16:11:48 <tzviya> zakim, aagg is david_stroup

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, aagg is david_stroup

16:11:48 <Zakim> +david_stroup; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +david_stroup; got it

16:11:54 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

16:11:55 <dauwhe> ... what documentation/recommendations there are

... what documentation/recommendations there are

16:12:00 <dauwhe> ... then compile report

... then compile report

16:12:19 <dauwhe> ... so we can see where to go from here

... so we can see where to go from here

16:12:22 <dauwhe> ... RDF is similar

... RDF is similar

16:12:26 <dauwhe> ... we have volunteers

... we have volunteers

16:12:34 <azaroth> q+ to ask about "actionable"

Robert Sanderson: q+ to ask about "actionable"

16:12:38 <dauwhe> ... we just have to compile list of links to references

... we just have to compile list of links to references

16:12:48 <dauwhe> ... some targets libraries, some publishers, etc

... some targets libraries, some publishers, etc

16:13:04 <dauwhe> ... some are geeky and some are clear, plain language

... some are geeky and some are clear, plain language

16:13:10 <dauwhe> ... we need a gap analysis

... we need a gap analysis

16:13:14 <dauwhe> ... there's lots out there

... there's lots out there

16:13:26 <dauwhe> ... but publishers don't understand

... but publishers don't understand

16:13:33 <dauwhe> ... and lots of systems don't use RDF

... and lots of systems don't use RDF

16:14:00 <dauwhe> ... report by mid-December

... report by mid-December

16:14:07 <dauwhe> ... Madi, do you have anything to add?

... Madi, do you have anything to add?

16:14:13 <dauwhe> madi: we can run with this

Madi Solomon: we can run with this

16:14:24 <dauwhe> ... we also need explanation of why we need these reports

... we also need explanation of why we need these reports

16:14:30 <dauwhe> ... why URI? Why RDF?

... why URI? Why RDF?

16:14:54 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: [listing volunteers]

Bill Kasdorf: [listing volunteers]

16:15:15 <mgylling> ack azaroth

Markus Gylling: ack azaroth

16:15:15 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to ask about "actionable"

Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to ask about "actionable"

16:15:22 <dauwhe> mgylling: we have a queue

Markus Gylling: we have a queue

16:15:39 <dauwhe> azaroth: the use of actionable uri and is that a requirement?

Robert Sanderson: the use of actionable uri and is that a requirement?

16:15:49 <dauwhe> ... there are URI identifiers that are *not* actionable

... there are URI identifiers that are *not* actionable

16:15:53 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: thanks

Bill Kasdorf: thanks

16:16:11 <dauwhe> ... one reason to express as URI is to make it actionable

... one reason to express as URI is to make it actionable

16:16:20 <dauwhe> ... but they are not necessarily actionable

... but they are not necessarily actionable

16:16:33 <dauwhe> mgylling: OK

Markus Gylling: OK

16:16:46 <dauwhe> ... open up for QA later, but let's ask about BISG

... open up for QA later, but let's ask about BISG

16:16:52 <dauwhe> Julie: I'll start

Julie Morris: I'll start

16:17:26 <dauwhe> ... the metadata committee focuses mostly on product metadata and ONIX

... the metadata committee focuses mostly on product metadata and ONIX

16:17:40 <dauwhe> ... one WG focuses on transition to ONIX3 in the U.S.

... one WG focuses on transition to ONIX3 in the U.S.

16:17:49 <dauwhe> ... one will map part of ONIX to schema.org

... one will map part of ONIX to schema.org

16:18:09 <dauwhe> ... a third will look at educational standards to build a keyword taxonomy

... a third will look at educational standards to build a keyword taxonomy

16:18:19 <dauwhe> ... this is not content level but product level, all tied to onix

... this is not content level but product level, all tied to onix

16:18:36 <dauwhe> ... the Identification Committee will be more relevant here, Phil is the chair

... the Identification Committee will be more relevant here, Phil is the chair

16:19:06 <dauwhe> ... there's interest in a work identifier

... there's interest in a work identifier

16:19:16 <dauwhe> philm: Re: metadata committee

Phil Madans: Re: metadata committee

16:19:30 <dauwhe> ... this committee will have something to do with RDF

... this committee will have something to do with RDF

16:19:40 <dauwhe> ... esp. if Graham is interested in an RDF version of ONIX

... esp. if Graham is interested in an RDF version of ONIX

16:19:51 <dauwhe> ... the committee has been only concerned with ONIX for years now

... the committee has been only concerned with ONIX for years now

16:20:12 <dauwhe> ... these groups have been involved within the book supply change

... these groups have been involved within the book supply change

16:20:19 <dauwhe> ... it was an isolated supply chain

... it was an isolated supply chain

16:20:21 <dauwhe> ... that's changing

... that's changing

16:20:29 <dauwhe> ... we need to look outside that supply chain

... we need to look outside that supply chain

16:20:40 <dauwhe> ... even books are sold at Target and Wall-mart now

... even books are sold at Target and Wall-mart now

16:20:52 <dauwhe> ... these are handled by independent distributors

... these are handled by independent distributors

16:21:06 <dauwhe> ... they handle the stocking and resupply, so we don't get involved

... they handle the stocking and resupply, so we don't get involved

16:21:16 <dauwhe> ... GS1 standard, for example...

... GS1 standard, for example...

16:21:22 <dauwhe> ... we have lots of conflicts with  larger world

... we have lots of conflicts with larger world

16:21:29 <dauwhe> ... we use things in non-standard ways

... we use things in non-standard ways

16:21:40 <dauwhe> ... in ID committee, when we talk about work identifier

... in ID committee, when we talk about work identifier

16:21:46 <dauwhe> ... we want to get use cases

... we want to get use cases

16:21:54 <dauwhe> ... and to think outside the industry

... and to think outside the industry

16:22:19 <dauwhe> ... we've been talking about work identifier for a decade

... we've been talking about work identifier for a decade

16:22:25 <dauwhe> ... ISTC has not gained traction

... ISTC has not gained traction

16:22:42 <dauwhe> ... we've failed to define what a work identifier should be

... we've failed to define what a work identifier should be

16:22:49 <dauwhe> ... as different sectors have different ideas

... as different sectors have different ideas

16:23:01 <dauwhe> ... every possible manifiestation regardless of format?

... every possible manifiestation regardless of format?

16:23:11 <dauwhe> ... even across publishers or nations?

... even across publishers or nations?

16:23:16 <dauwhe> ... authors and agents like that.

... authors and agents like that.

16:23:22 <dauwhe> ... publishers and retailers don't like it

... publishers and retailers don't like it

16:23:36 <dauwhe> ... they want a collection identifier, to group together manifestations

... they want a collection identifier, to group together manifestations

16:23:45 <dauwhe> ... Moby-Dick. There are thousands of editions

... Moby-Dick. There are thousands of editions

16:23:55 <dauwhe> ... there's text, popub books, coloring books

... there's text, popup books, coloring books

16:24:05 <dauwhe> ... should all the manifestations show up in search?

... should all the manifestations show up in search?

16:24:10 <dauwhe> ... retailers want to control that

... retailers want to control that

16:24:11 <tzviya> s/popub/popup
16:24:20 <dauwhe> ... to get relevant results

... to get relevant results

16:24:34 <dauwhe> ... publishers want to collect all their manifestations, but not others

... publishers want to collect all their manifestations, but not others

16:24:45 <dauwhe> ... for Twilight, we had print rights but Random House had audio rights

... for Twilight, we had print rights but Random House had audio rights

16:25:01 <dauwhe> ... so that's how these discussions go

... so that's how these discussions go

16:25:01 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:25:07 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

16:25:09 <dauwhe> ... we fail to come to consensus

... we fail to come to consensus

16:25:24 <dauwhe> ... no one has come up with a problem so urgent that the work identifier is the solution

... no one has come up with a problem so urgent that the work identifier is the solution

16:25:39 <dauwhe> ... we've sorted this out, organization by organization

... we've sorted this out, organization by organization

16:25:48 <dauwhe> ... can link ISBNs together with related field

... can link ISBNs together with related field

16:26:00 <dauwhe> ... but haven't looked from a perspective beyond ONIX

... but haven't looked from a perspective beyond ONIX

16:26:11 <dauwhe> ... ISBN is being revised now

... ISBN is being revised now

16:26:23 <dauwhe> ... there is now a section on ISBN-A, which is an actionable ISBN

... there is now a section on ISBN-A, which is an actionable ISBN

16:26:29 <dauwhe> ... it will be in the user manual

... it will be in the user manual

16:26:41 <dauwhe> ... not sure when that will be published

... not sure when that will be published

16:26:58 <dauwhe> ... within the publishing industry, there are various sectors

... within the publishing industry, there are various sectors

16:27:07 <dauwhe> ... who have different ideas of what a work identifier should do

... who have different ideas of what a work identifier should do

16:27:19 <dauwhe> ... pick one sector that has a really good use case

... pick one sector that has a really good use case

16:27:26 <dauwhe> ... that shows the value, then other sectors will follow

... that shows the value, then other sectors will follow

16:27:31 <dauwhe> ... that hasn't happened yet

... that hasn't happened yet

16:27:35 <dauwhe> ... same thing with RDF

... same thing with RDF

16:27:50 <dauwhe> ... it's been hard even to upgrade from ONIX 2 to ONIX 3

... it's been hard even to upgrade from ONIX 2 to ONIX 3

16:28:01 <dauwhe> ... four or five years after ONIX 3 was published

... four or five years after ONIX 3 was published

16:28:11 <dauwhe> ... publishers are not technology companies

... publishers are not technology companies

16:28:23 <dauwhe> ... takes a really good use case to get us to do these things

... takes a really good use case to get us to do these things

16:28:43 <dauwhe> ... if the system works, like ONIX, the bar is very high

... if the system works, like ONIX, the bar is very high

16:29:02 <dauwhe> ... "how will this get more books out there, connect with the reader"

... "how will this get more books out there, connect with the reader"

16:29:25 <dauwhe> ... perhaps Social media or author pages will provide a use case

... perhaps Social media or author pages will provide a use case

16:29:34 <dauwhe> ... even to get other publishers to join W3C

... even to get other publishers to join W3C

16:29:45 <dauwhe> ... have to connect with business case

... have to connect with business case

16:29:50 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:30:03 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

16:30:06 <dauwhe> tzviya: sounds like there are a few things that BISG does

Tzviya Siegman: sounds like there are a few things that BISG does

16:30:14 <dauwhe> ... educating publishers about what exists

... educating publishers about what exists

16:30:18 <Karen> q+

Karen Myers: q+

16:30:33 <dauwhe> ... and an effort to create a uniformity in the way of things are being done, like a work ID

... and an effort to create a uniformity in the way of things are being done, like a work ID

16:30:36 <dauwhe> Julie: yes.

Julie Morris: yes.

16:30:40 <Zakim> -pbelfanti

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16:30:49 <dauwhe> ... most of our work is a cycle of identifying pain points

... most of our work is a cycle of identifying pain points

16:30:58 <dauwhe> ... doing research and creating standards

... doing research and creating standards

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16:31:09 <dauwhe> ... also with documents and events

... also with documents and events

16:31:11 <mgylling> ack Bill_K

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K

16:31:22 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Could you mention the subject codes committee

Bill Kasdorf: Could you mention the subject codes committee

16:31:37 <dauwhe> ... people might not understand difference between BISAC and ONIX

... people might not understand difference between BISAC and ONIX

16:31:45 <dauwhe> ... BISAC is subject classifications

... BISAC is subject classifications

16:31:50 <dauwhe> ... and we work on Thema

... and we work on Thema

16:32:06 <dauwhe> ... both of those are data points within ONIX

... both of those are data points within ONIX

16:32:33 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: those are two examples of not just educating but being responsible for the standards

Bill Kasdorf: those are two examples of not just educating but being responsible for the standards

16:32:46 <mgylling> ack Karen

Markus Gylling: ack Karen

16:33:05 <dauwhe> Karen: Phil, you mentioned adoption of ONIX 3 is slow. Is that just US?

Karen Myers: Phil, you mentioned adoption of ONIX 3 is slow. Is that just US?

16:33:16 <dauwhe> philm: ONIX 3 is strong in new markets

Phil Madans: ONIX 3 is strong in new markets

16:33:20 <laudrain> +q

Luc Audrain: +q

16:33:31 <dauwhe> ... slower in UK, France is quicker than US

... slower in UK, France is quicker than US

16:33:41 <dauwhe> ... globally, we haven't been asked for ONIX3 internationally

... globally, we haven't been asked for ONIX3 internationally

16:34:06 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I always thought it was publishers dragging their feet due to their existing systems

Bill Kasdorf: I always thought it was publishers dragging their feet due to their existing systems

16:34:24 <dauwhe> ... but Phil pointed out that the problem is the retailers and recipients requiring ONIX 2

... but Phil pointed out that the problem is the retailers and recipients requiring ONIX 2

16:34:35 <dauwhe> ... [insert chicken/egg metaphor]

... [insert chicken/egg metaphor]

16:35:00 <dauwhe> philm: Yes. Publishers are very reactive.

Phil Madans: Yes. Publishers are very reactive.

16:35:14 <dauwhe> ... we react to what our customers want from us, as any supplier does

... we react to what our customers want from us, as any supplier does

16:35:18 <dauwhe> ... we have limited resources

... we have limited resources

16:35:35 <dauwhe> ... if the recipients say we will require this in six months, we'd do it

... if the recipients say we will require this in six months, we'd do it

16:35:43 <dauwhe> ... but without knowing that it's hard to schedule

... but without knowing that it's hard to schedule

16:35:53 <dauwhe> ... if no one's gonna take it, why send it?

... if no one's gonna take it, why send it?

16:36:05 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: it's better

Bill Kasdorf: it's better

16:36:22 <dauwhe> Julie: we want to create a grid of up and downstream support

Julie Morris: we want to create a grid of up and downstream support

16:36:27 <mgylling> ack laudrain

Markus Gylling: ack laudrain

16:36:35 <Karen> +1 grid of ONIX 3

Karen Myers: +1 grid of ONIX 3

16:36:43 <dauwhe> philm: we've been able to create oNIX 3 for a year

Phil Madans: we've been able to create oNIX 3 for a year

16:36:49 <dauwhe> ... just started sending it out last week

... just started sending it out last week

16:36:54 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

16:37:05 <dauwhe> ... transparency will help

... transparency will help

16:37:18 <dauwhe> laudrain: in France ONIX 3 position is much better

Luc Audrain: in France ONIX 3 position is much better

16:37:31 <dauwhe> ... been pushing for several months, several retailers accepting it

... been pushing for several months, several retailers accepting it

16:37:46 <dauwhe> ... 50% in France using ONIX 3

... 50% in France using ONIX 3

16:37:54 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:37:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: let's focus on what IG can do

Markus Gylling: let's focus on what IG can do

16:38:04 <dauwhe> tzviya: that's what I was going to say

Tzviya Siegman: that's what I was going to say

16:38:27 <dauwhe> mgylling: what are your views in terms of W3C and this IG's involvement moving forward

Markus Gylling: what are your views in terms of W3C and this IG's involvement moving forward

16:38:46 <dauwhe> ... is there any low-hanging topics that would be ideal for W3C to focus on?

... is there any low-hanging topics that would be ideal for W3C to focus on?

16:39:13 <dauwhe> philm: I think what the publishing industry needs clarity on what these things are and how to incorporate into web page

Phil Madans: I think what the publishing industry needs clarity on what these things are and how to incorporate into web page

16:39:32 <dauwhe> ... if that's the recommendation on how to embed metadata into a web page, that's what they're looking for

... if that's the recommendation on how to embed metadata into a web page, that's what they're looking for

16:39:45 <dauwhe> ... so if W3C is saying this, it helps for publishers to say we have a working framework

... so if W3C is saying this, it helps for publishers to say we have a working framework

16:39:53 <TimCole> q+

Timothy Cole: q+

16:39:54 <dauwhe> Julie: I agree

Julie Morris: I agree

16:40:12 <dauwhe> ... what would help is greater education about web technologies

... what would help is greater education about web technologies

16:40:24 <dauwhe> ... the work that Bill is talking about, gathering RDF resources

... the work that Bill is talking about, gathering RDF resources

16:40:34 <dauwhe> ... we can raise that as topic in BISG metadata committee

... we can raise that as topic in BISG metadata committee

16:40:41 <dauwhe> ... an easy way to start a conversation

... an easy way to start a conversation

16:40:45 <dauwhe> ... and see if there are next steps

... and see if there are next steps

16:40:59 <dauwhe> philm: If we can get use cases from outside the publishing industry where this works

Phil Madans: If we can get use cases from outside the publishing industry where this works

16:41:01 <dauwhe> ... it will help

... it will help

16:41:14 <dauwhe> ... if we see something working somewhere else, that will really help

... if we see something working somewhere else, that will really help

16:41:22 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I was going to say the same thing

Bill Kasdorf: I was going to say the same thing

16:41:23 <tzviya> q+

Tzviya Siegman: q+

16:41:33 <dauwhe> ... RDF is widely understood and used in libraries

... RDF is widely understood and used in libraries

16:41:48 <dauwhe> ... IPTC is major proponent of RDF

... IPTC is major proponent of RDF

16:42:01 <dauwhe> ... [insert chicken-and-egg metaphor]

... [insert chicken-and-egg metaphor]

16:42:03 <mgylling> ack TimCole

Markus Gylling: ack TimCole

16:42:31 <dauwhe> TimCole: I'd say library communitiy is just starting with RDF

Timothy Cole: I'd say library communitiy is just starting with RDF

16:42:49 <dauwhe> ... W3C can't tell publishing community that this is the right standard for this identifier

... W3C can't tell publishing community that this is the right standard for this identifier

16:43:02 <dauwhe> ... there won't be a single canonical ID

... there won't be a single canonical ID

16:43:12 <dauwhe> ... there will be lots of smaller IDs taht need to be connected

... there will be lots of smaller IDs that need to be connected

16:43:19 <dauwhe> s/taht/that/
16:43:28 <dauwhe> ... RDF can do this connection

... RDF can do this connection

16:43:32 <Karen> +1 Tim's clarification on RDF value

Karen Myers: +1 Tim's clarification on RDF value

16:43:41 <dauwhe> ... shared identifiers

... shared identifiers

16:43:59 <dauwhe> ... in a few weeks we'll talk about reconciliation services between identifiers

... in a few weeks we'll talk about reconciliation services between identifiers

16:44:29 <dauwhe> ... someone has to connect publisher ID and retailer ID

... someone has to connect publisher ID and retailer ID

16:44:30 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

16:44:58 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: identifiers embedded in identifiers

Bill Kasdorf: identifiers embedded in identifiers

16:45:17 <dauwhe> ... an ISBN-A is an ISBN with a DOI in it expressed as a URI, so in fact it's all three

... an ISBN-A is an ISBN with a DOI in it expressed as a URI, so in fact it's all three

16:45:25 <dauwhe> tzviya: We're going in circles

Tzviya Siegman: We're going in circles

16:45:29 <dauwhe> ... let's take a step back

... let's take a step back

16:45:51 <dauwhe> ... it would be beneficial for the publishing community to learn about how linked data can be helpful (like BBC)

... it would be beneficial for the publishing community to learn about how linked data can be helpful (like BBC)

16:46:09 <dauwhe> ... or tell people to read books about linked data

... or tell people to read books about linked data

16:46:35 <dauwhe> ... how can BISG and DPUB work together without stepping on feet

... how can BISG and DPUB work together without stepping on feet

16:46:44 <Zakim> -duga

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16:46:47 <dauwhe> ... BISG is US-centric, W3C is international

... BISG is US-centric, W3C is international

16:47:02 <dauwhe> Julie: We are U.S. focused and U.S. based

Julie Morris: We are U.S. focused and U.S. based

16:47:30 <dauwhe> ... but not exclusive

... but not exclusive

16:47:58 <dauwhe> ... we're focused on global standards but serving the US market

... we're focused on global standards but serving the US market

16:48:18 <dauwhe> ... can we take another look at action items and make sure they're on track

... can we take another look at action items and make sure they're on track

16:48:31 <dauwhe> ... and aligned with what the larger publishing world is trying to accomplist

... and aligned with what the larger publishing world is trying to accomplist

16:48:48 <dauwhe> ... based on what phil says, releasing a guide on RDF won't have much traction

... based on what phil says, releasing a guide on RDF won't have much traction

16:49:12 <dauwhe> ... but maybe we want to talk about examples in the wider world where this is used

... but maybe we want to talk about examples in the wider world where this is used

16:49:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: our action items were intended to be preparatory for that

Bill Kasdorf: our action items were intended to be preparatory for that

16:49:52 <dauwhe> ... the whole point of that work item was to see what's out there and point people to it

... the whole point of that work item was to see what's out there and point people to it

16:50:07 <dauwhe> tzviya: there was another action to develope list of IDs to express as URIs

Tzviya Siegman: there was another action to develope list of IDs to express as URIs

16:50:26 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the point of that work item was to find the gaps

Bill Kasdorf: the point of that work item was to find the gaps

16:50:47 <dauwhe> ... at TPAC someone pointed out an org that had misleading guidance about using an identifier as URI

... at TPAC someone pointed out an org that had misleading guidance about using an identifier as URI

16:50:54 <dauwhe> ... the point was to give a sense of the issue

... the point was to give a sense of the issue

16:51:07 <dauwhe> ... the gap between recommendation and practice

... the gap between recommendation and practice

16:51:19 <dauwhe> ... it wasn't a master resource

... it wasn't a master resource

16:51:22 <dauwhe> ... BISG has that

... BISG has that

16:51:46 <dauwhe> ... I see them as assessing the landscape, not publishing a product

... I see them as assessing the landscape, not publishing a product

16:52:03 <dauwhe> ... to what extent is there understanding or use of (RDF | ID as URI)

... to what extent is there understanding or use of (RDF | ID as URI)

16:52:17 <dauwhe> ... but we do need concrete examples and use cases

... but we do need concrete examples and use cases

16:52:39 <dauwhe> mgylling: there are publishers that are using RDF, like inkling and benetech

Markus Gylling: there are publishers that are using RDF, like inkling and benetech

16:52:50 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: pointing to a realistic thing like that is good

Bill Kasdorf: pointing to a realistic thing like that is good

16:53:18 <dauwhe> mgylling: you're agreeing with Julie and Phil's suggestions on end product

Markus Gylling: you're agreeing with Julie and Phil's suggestions on end product

16:53:27 <dauwhe> ... and your current actions are steps on the way there

... and your current actions are steps on the way there

16:53:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: yes

Bill Kasdorf: yes

16:53:35 <dauwhe> mgylling: OK

Markus Gylling: OK

16:53:41 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:53:57 <dauwhe> tzviya: it does make sense to survey the landscape

Tzviya Siegman: it does make sense to survey the landscape

16:54:15 <dauwhe> ... I'm concerned we're asking a lot of a small group of people to survey the landscape

... I'm concerned we're asking a lot of a small group of people to survey the landscape

16:54:32 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: how much does this have to be comprehensive vs illustrative

Bill Kasdorf: how much does this have to be comprehensive vs illustrative

16:55:09 <dauwhe> ... neither of this things would result in a publishable product

... neither of this things would result in a publishable product

16:55:38 <dauwhe> mgylling: which digital publishers are already doing this? what are their problems/benefits?

Markus Gylling: which digital publishers are already doing this? what are their problems/benefits?

16:55:44 <dauwhe> ... primarily RDF

... primarily RDF

16:56:08 <dauwhe> ... the basic charter imperatives is that we're supposed to identify areas where OWP needs to change

... the basic charter imperatives is that we're supposed to identify areas where OWP needs to change

16:56:12 <dauwhe> ... I'm not seeing that here

... I'm not seeing that here

16:56:34 <dauwhe> ... this is about information and about changing how business is done

... this is about information and about changing how business is done

16:56:42 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: true

Bill Kasdorf: true

16:56:48 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:56:50 <dauwhe> mgylling: any other questions

Markus Gylling: any other questions

16:56:55 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Karen?

Bill Kasdorf: Karen?

16:57:09 <dauwhe> Karen: yes, we covered my Q about international focus and deliverables

Karen Myers: yes, we covered my Q about international focus and deliverables

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16:57:42 <dauwhe> mgylling: I agree with Tzviya's points, we should incorporate a certain amount of worry about time

Markus Gylling: I agree with Tzviya's points, we should incorporate a certain amount of worry about time

16:58:03 <dauwhe> ... we don't want to become yet another organization caught in the maelstrom

... we don't want to become yet another organization caught in the maelstrom

16:58:17 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: we have only weeks before our first action items are due

Bill Kasdorf: we have only weeks before our first action items are due

16:58:43 <dauwhe> mgylling: two minutes left, so we have to cut this off

Markus Gylling: two minutes left, so we have to cut this off

16:58:57 <dauwhe> ... the only agenda item we didn't get to was next week's call

... the only agenda item we didn't get to was next week's call

16:59:17 <dauwhe> ... may not be a good idea due to the U.S. Thanksgiving Holiday

... may not be a good idea due to the U.S. Thanksgiving Holiday

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16:59:38 <Karen> I'll be working

Karen Myers: I'll be working

17:00:00 <azaroth> Regrets for the next three weeks running (thx giving, reconciliation meeting, CNI conference)

Robert Sanderson: Regrets for the next three weeks running (thx giving, reconciliation meeting, CNI conference)

17:00:08 <dauwhe> dauwhe: can talk about CSS stuff next week

Dave Cramer: can talk about CSS stuff next week

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17:00:16 <pkra> sorry, gotta run.

Peter Krautzberger: sorry, gotta run.

17:00:25 <dauwhe> mgylling: can look at Page DOM too, if Brady is around

Markus Gylling: can look at Page DOM too, if Brady is around

17:00:32 <dauwhe> mgylling: thanks everyone

Markus Gylling: thanks everyone

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Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes

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RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/17-dpub-minutes.html tmichel

18:01:33 <Zakim> -Thierry

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Thierry

18:06:33 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, liza, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, liza, in DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM

18:06:34 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended

18:06:34 <Zakim> Attendees were clapierre, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, +1.339.203.aacc, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, +1.646.336.aaee, TimCole, Luc, Julie, duga, dauwhe, azaroth, liza, philm,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were clapierre, +1.512.445.aabb, Tzviya, +1.339.203.aacc, +1.217.300.aadd, pkra, Markus, +1.646.336.aaee, TimCole, Luc, Julie, duga, dauwhe, azaroth, liza, philm,

18:06:35 <Zakim> ... dkaplan3, Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, Thierry, +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns, astein, pat_pagano, Karen_Myers, Bert, pbelfanti, +1.585.217.aagg, david_stroup

Zakim IRC Bot: ... dkaplan3, Bill_Kasdorf, Susann_Keohane, Thierry, +1.201.783.aaff, madi, bjdmeest, Stearns, astein, pat_pagano, Karen_Myers, Bert, pbelfanti, +1.585.217.aagg, david_stroup



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