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14:01:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:01:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:01:17 <trackbot> Date: 29 September 2014
14:01:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes
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14:01:23 <ivan> Chair: Markus
14:04:08 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/5424F804.6080000@gmail.com
14:04:28 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda for 2014-09-29: http://www.w3.org/mid/5424F804.6080000@gmail.com
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14:57:45 <fjh> zakim, code?
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14:57:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
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14:57:45 <astearns> zakim, aaaa is me
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14:57:47 <Zakim> +astearns; got it
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14:58:08 <Zakim> +clapierre
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14:58:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:58:25 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
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14:58:25 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
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14:58:40 <Zakim> +dauwhe
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14:59:00 <Zakim> +[Safari]
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14:59:15 <Zakim> +Markus
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14:59:28 <Zakim> + +1.217.300.aabb
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14:59:45 <dkaplan3> zakim, [Safari] is me
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14:59:45 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
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14:59:48 <Zakim> +MikeMiller
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15:00:28 <Zakim> +??P30
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15:00:32 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
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15:00:42 <murakami> zakim, ??P30 is me
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15:00:42 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
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15:01:01 <Zakim> +pkra
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15:01:33 <ivan> zakim, code?
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15:01:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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15:01:48 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:01:56 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
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15:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, fjh, dauwhe, dkaplan3, Markus, +1.217.300.aabb, MikeMiller, murakami, [Ugent], pkra, Ivan
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15:01:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see david_stroup, AH_Miller, pkra, murakami, dkaplan3, clapierre, mgylling, dauwhe, Bert, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, astearns, fjh, liam, plinss, trackbot
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15:01:59 <Zakim> +david_stroup
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15:02:27 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aacc - is perhaps Bert?
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15:02:31 <bjdmeest> zakim, mute me
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15:02:31 <Zakim> sorry, bjdmeest, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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15:02:36 <Zakim> + +1.917.770.aadd
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15:02:40 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
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15:02:51 <ivan> zakim, aabb is astein
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15:02:51 <Zakim> +astein; got it
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15:02:57 <bjdmeest> zakim, bjdmeest is me
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15:02:57 <Zakim> sorry, bjdmeest, I do not recognize a party named 'bjdmeest'
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15:03:04 <mgylling> regrets: Luc, Graham, Phil, Thierry, Vladimir, Rob, Julie
Scribe problem: the name 'Rob' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
15:03:12 <bjdmeest> zakim, who is here?
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15:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, fjh, dauwhe, dkaplan3, Markus, astein, MikeMiller, murakami, [Ugent], pkra, Ivan, david_stroup, Bert, +1.917.770.aadd, Bill_Kasdorf,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see astearns, clapierre, fjh, dauwhe, dkaplan3, Markus, astein, MikeMiller, murakami, [Ugent], pkra, Ivan, david_stroup, Bert, +1.917.770.aadd, Bill_Kasdorf, ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> ... +1.201.236.aaee
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15:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, astein, david_stroup, AH_Miller, pkra, murakami, dkaplan3, clapierre, mgylling, dauwhe, Bert, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, astearns, fjh,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, astein, david_stroup, AH_Miller, pkra, murakami, dkaplan3, clapierre, mgylling, dauwhe, Bert, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, astearns, fjh, ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> ... liam, plinss, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... liam, plinss, trackbot ←
15:03:19 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me
Ben De Meester: zakim, Ugent is me ←
15:03:19 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
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15:03:24 <bjdmeest> zakim, mute me
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15:03:24 <Zakim> bjdmeest should now be muted
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15:03:45 <ivan> zakim, aaee is pbelfanti
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15:03:45 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
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15:04:00 <ivan> zakim, aadd is laura
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15:04:00 <Zakim> +laura; got it
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15:04:29 <ivan> zakim, laura is LauraD
Ivan Herman: zakim, laura is LauraD ←
15:04:29 <Zakim> +LauraD; got it
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15:04:40 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
15:04:52 <mgylling> correct link for last weeks minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Sep/0077.html
Markus Gylling: correct link for last weeks minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Sep/0077.html ←
15:04:54 <dauwhe> mgylling: discussing last week's minutes
Markus Gylling: discussing last week's minutes ←
15:05:02 <dauwhe> mgylling: any objections?
Markus Gylling: any objections? ←
15:05:10 <dauwhe> mgylling: minutes approved.
Markus Gylling: minutes approved. ←
15:05:11 <Zakim> +madi
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15:05:19 <Zakim> +Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: +Liam ←
15:05:20 <dauwhe> mgylling: two things on agenda
Markus Gylling: two things on agenda ←
15:05:25 <Zakim> +Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya ←
15:05:30 <dauwhe> ... PF collaboration will have to wait
... PF collaboration will have to wait ←
15:05:35 <dauwhe> ... update on STEM from Peter
... update on STEM from Peter ←
15:05:39 <dauwhe> ... then TPAC agenda
... then TPAC agenda ←
15:05:48 <Zakim> +[Safari]
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15:05:50 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
15:05:55 <liza> zakim, Safari is me
Liza Daly: zakim, Safari is me ←
15:05:55 <Zakim> +liza; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +liza; got it ←
15:06:18 <tmichel> zakim,??P12 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim,??P12 is me ←
15:06:18 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
15:06:56 <dauwhe> pkra: hammer out a richer questionairre based on early interviews
Peter Krautzberger: hammer out a richer questionairre based on early interviews ←
15:07:18 <dauwhe> ... I've summarized the interviews but haven't published yet
... I've summarized the interviews but haven't published yet ←
15:07:30 <dauwhe> ... hope to finish by end of month
... hope to finish by end of month ←
15:07:57 <dauwhe> ... it has been interesting... the first four have given me a very different angle
... it has been interesting... the first four have given me a very different angle ←
15:08:11 <dauwhe> ... those four were forward-thinking, cutting edge
... those four were forward-thinking, cutting edge ←
15:08:27 <dauwhe> mgylling: we're curious about observations
Markus Gylling: we're curious about observations ←
15:08:45 <dauwhe> pkra: suprised by [a] big focus on authoring side and what OWP can do there
Peter Krautzberger: suprised by [a] big focus on authoring side and what OWP can do there ←
15:09:00 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:09:05 <dauwhe> ... it would be better world if web was much more involved in authoring
... it would be better world if web was much more involved in authoring ←
15:09:17 <dauwhe> ... contenteditable is an issue
... contenteditable is an issue ←
15:09:32 <dauwhe> ... how to create print representation of web doc
... how to create print representation of web doc ←
15:09:35 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←
15:09:41 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: can you summarize who these people were?
Bill Kasdorf: can you summarize who these people were? ←
15:09:52 <dauwhe> pkra: Peter ??? who was a researcher
Peter Krautzberger: Peter Murray-Rust who was a researcher ←
15:10:04 <dauwhe> ... came up with CML, does data mining
... came up with CML, does data mining ←
15:10:30 <dauwhe> ... Fernando ???, working on scientific computation, ipython notebook format
... Fernando ???, working on scientific computation, ipython notebook format ←
15:10:37 <Zakim> +TimCole
Zakim IRC Bot: +TimCole ←
15:10:42 <dauwhe> ... machine readable but also creates human readable
... machine readable but also creates human readable ←
15:11:00 <dauwhe> ... Dan ??? from hypothesis, working on annotations
... Dan Whaley from hypothesis, working on annotations ←
15:11:12 <dauwhe> ... Ian ??? from ???, a publisher of open-access journal
... Ian ??? from ???, a publisher of open-access journal ←
15:11:24 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:11:31 <liam> [ Peter Murray-Rust ]
Liam Quin: [ Peter Murray-Rust ] ←
15:11:53 <liza> ((Sounds OK to me)
Liza Daly: ((Sounds OK to me) ←
15:11:58 <ivan> s/Dan ???/Dan Whaley/
15:11:58 <dauwhe> s/Peter ???/Peter Murray-Rust/
15:12:23 <dauwhe> pkra: themes were need for community building
Peter Krautzberger: themes were need for community building ←
15:12:32 <dauwhe> ... community group for reasearchers and authors
... community group for reasearchers and authors ←
15:12:41 <dauwhe> ... this IG to educate about technologies
... this IG to educate about technologies ←
15:12:52 <dauwhe> ... the third big theme was about PDF
... the third big theme was about PDF ←
15:12:55 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/???/eLife/
15:13:05 <dauwhe> ... something everyone has to deal with
... something everyone has to deal with ←
15:13:21 <dauwhe> ... pdf creation, being able to use pdf better in web context, tools like PDFjs
... pdf creation, being able to use pdf better in web context, tools like PDFjs ←
15:13:27 <tzviya> q-
Tzviya Siegman: q- ←
15:13:33 <dauwhe> ... another issue is peer review and search
... another issue is peer review and search ←
15:13:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: thanks for summary. Has there been discussion of native rendering of STEM content?
Markus Gylling: thanks for summary. Has there been discussion of native rendering of STEM content? ←
15:14:07 <dauwhe> pkra: not so much.
Peter Krautzberger: not so much. ←
15:14:37 <dauwhe> ... so little agreement standards that could lead to native rendering that community group is needed
... so little agreement standards that could lead to native rendering that community group is needed ←
15:14:45 <dauwhe> ... they felt its too early
... they felt its too early ←
15:15:05 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:15:26 <dauwhe> ... there's dismay at static content
... there's dismay at static content ←
15:15:44 <dauwhe> ... when author comes with SVG, but publisher asks for TIFF
... when author comes with SVG, but publisher asks for TIFF ←
15:15:58 <dauwhe> ... so people are cautious, focusing on baby steps
... so people are cautious, focusing on baby steps ←
15:16:13 <dauwhe> ... it's not like MathML, where people are already using it
... it's not like MathML, where people are already using it ←
15:16:18 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:16:24 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_K ←
15:16:54 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: STEM publishing is one of the earliest sectors to go digital
Bill Kasdorf: STEM publishing is one of the earliest sectors to go digital ←
15:16:59 <dauwhe> ... they did that using PDF
... they did that using PDF ←
15:17:10 <dauwhe> ... for them, digital = PDF
... for them, digital = PDF ←
15:17:22 <dauwhe> ... that whole population takes that for granted, its a limiting factor
... that whole population takes that for granted, its a limiting factor ←
15:17:25 <ivan> +1 to Bill's comment
Ivan Herman: +1 to Bill's comment ←
15:17:44 <dauwhe> ... the people were very progressive, so startling to hear about PDF
... the people were very progressive, so startling to hear about PDF ←
15:17:45 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:18:22 <dauwhe> pkra: this came up in positive way. 2 problems: we have an output problem, our users want PDF
Peter Krautzberger: this came up in positive way. 2 problems: we have an output problem, our users want PDF ←
15:18:42 <dauwhe> ... the first problem is Word.
... the first problem is Word. ←
15:18:50 <dauwhe> ... JATS is the other issue
... JATS is the other issue ←
15:19:00 <dauwhe> ... then you have to generate PDF out of this
... then you have to generate PDF out of this ←
15:19:21 <dauwhe> ... if input is HTML in future, and out put HTML in future, then pipeline could be simpler
... if input is HTML in future, and out put HTML in future, then pipeline could be simpler ←
15:19:46 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I'm aware of some initiatives to move in HTML direction, but can't name them right now.
Bill Kasdorf: I'm aware of some initiatives to move in HTML direction, but can't name them right now. ←
15:19:50 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the tide is turning
Bill Kasdorf: the tide is turning ←
15:20:03 <dauwhe> tzviya: did you provide a link to doc?
Tzviya Siegman: did you provide a link to doc? ←
15:20:08 <dauwhe> pkra: still working on it
Peter Krautzberger: still working on it ←
15:20:31 <dauwhe> tzviya: until recently, primary output has been PDF but lots of pubs are looking at HTML now
Tzviya Siegman: until recently, primary output has been PDF but lots of pubs are looking at HTML now ←
15:20:43 <dauwhe> ... CUP, for example, has option to look at both HTML and PDF
... CUP, for example, has option to look at both HTML and PDF ←
15:20:52 <dauwhe> ... we're seeing that more and more in STEM world
... we're seeing that more and more in STEM world ←
15:21:02 <dauwhe> ... which means we need math rendering!!!
... which means we need math rendering!!! ←
15:21:08 <dauwhe> ... this is becoming urgent.
... this is becoming urgent. ←
15:21:42 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: this literate is distributed through hosting services. All have JATS at their core, but they all have HTML 'cause they're online.
Bill Kasdorf: this literature is distributed through hosting services. All have JATS at their core, but they all have HTML 'cause they're online. ←
15:21:49 <dauwhe> s/literate/literature/
15:22:11 <dauwhe> tzviya: not everything is a journal
Tzviya Siegman: not everything is a journal ←
15:22:21 <dauwhe> ... i've been converting STEM books to EPUB
... i've been converting STEM books to EPUB ←
15:22:43 <dauwhe> ... but because of math I'm having trouble, we've done them as images but this can't continue
... but because of math I'm having trouble, we've done them as images but this can't continue ←
15:23:19 <dauwhe> mgylling: you mentioned MathML. Is it a more generic problem? Chemistry, electronics, other subjects with graphic needs?
Markus Gylling: you mentioned MathML. Is it a more generic problem? Chemistry, electronics, other subjects with graphic needs? ←
15:23:26 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:23:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: it's a broader problem. Chemistry is worse.
Tzviya Siegman: it's a broader problem. Chemistry is worse. ←
15:23:45 <dauwhe> ... physics is an issue, and even advanced math
... physics is an issue, and even advanced math ←
15:23:55 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:23:56 <dauwhe> mgylling: on what level should we attack the problem?
Markus Gylling: on what level should we attack the problem? ←
15:24:00 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:24:04 <dauwhe> tzviya: mathml isn't a quick win
Tzviya Siegman: mathml isn't a quick win ←
15:24:24 <pkra> q+
Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←
15:24:27 <dauwhe> ivan: in metadata task force, talking mostly about ONIX and metadata in ONIX
Ivan Herman: in metadata task force, talking mostly about ONIX and metadata in ONIX ←
15:24:47 <dauwhe> ... worth talking to STEM folks about the metadata that community uses, which may be different
... worth talking to STEM folks about the metadata that community uses, which may be different ←
15:25:02 <dauwhe> ... from traditional publishers
... from traditional publishers ←
15:25:14 <dauwhe> ... STEM publishing includes conference proceedings
... STEM publishing includes conference proceedings ←
15:25:25 <Bill_Kasdorf> STEM metadata is dominated by CrossRef deposits and metadata required by the hosting services--not typically ONIX
Bill Kasdorf: STEM metadata is dominated by CrossRef deposits and metadata required by the hosting services--not typically ONIX ←
15:25:37 <dauwhe> ... all the ID mechanisms are different, but we need different metadata structure than for whole book
... all the ID mechanisms are different, but we need different metadata structure than for whole book ←
15:25:48 <tzviya> +1
Tzviya Siegman: +1 ←
15:25:49 <dauwhe> ... we should not let go of this issue
... we should not let go of this issue ←
15:26:18 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: many stem publishers view metadata as solved problem. they use crossref and their hosting services
Bill Kasdorf: many stem publishers view metadata as solved problem. they use crossref and their hosting services ←
15:26:23 <dauwhe> ... also fundref
... also fundref ←
15:26:44 <dauwhe> ... onix only on the book side
... onix only on the book side ←
15:26:58 <mgylling> ack pkra
Markus Gylling: ack pkra ←
15:27:00 <TimCole> +q
Timothy Cole: +q ←
15:27:14 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:27:28 <Bill_Kasdorf> there is an ONIX for serials but it is less ubiquitous than Onix for Books
Bill Kasdorf: there is an ONIX for serials but it is less ubiquitous than Onix for Books ←
15:27:51 <dauwhe> pkra: other standards also came up, but people are cautious. Even the author of CML is cautious about a standard
Peter Krautzberger: other standards also came up, but people are cautious. Even the author of CML is cautious about a standard ←
15:28:25 <dauwhe> ... also talked about linked data
... also talked about linked data ←
15:28:29 <mgylling> ack TimCole
Markus Gylling: ack TimCole ←
15:28:44 <dauwhe> TimCole: ivan mentioned metadata issues
Timothy Cole: ivan mentioned metadata issues ←
15:29:04 <dauwhe> ... there was a report about the important about describing metadata at equation level
... there was a report about the important about describing metadata at equation level ←
15:29:13 <dauwhe> ... for discovery and linking
... for discovery and linking ←
15:29:19 <dauwhe> ... derived from MathML
... derived from MathML ←
15:29:28 <dauwhe> ... searching for math equations or linking to them
... searching for math equations or linking to them ←
15:30:15 <dauwhe> ... digitizing renaissance books with emblems, there's a vocabulary for defining them, need to apply to individual emblem
... digitizing renaissance books with emblems, there's a vocabulary for defining them, need to apply to individual emblem ←
15:30:31 <pkra> q+
Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←
15:30:38 <dauwhe> ... if stuff is in PDF, it's harder to find and you can't properly describe the metadata
... if stuff is in PDF, it's harder to find and you can't properly describe the metadata ←
15:30:41 <mgylling> ack pkra
Markus Gylling: ack pkra ←
15:31:29 <pbelfanti> Must drop, apologies
Paul Belfanti: Must drop, apologies ←
15:31:29 <dauwhe> pkra: tools like PDF.js allow people to mix PDF and HTML
Peter Krautzberger: tools like PDF.js allow people to mix PDF and HTML ←
15:31:33 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
Zakim IRC Bot: -pbelfanti ←
15:31:54 <dauwhe> mgylling: how many more interviews?
Markus Gylling: how many more interviews? ←
15:32:05 <dauwhe> pkra: I want to do 3 or 4 more
Peter Krautzberger: I want to do 3 or 4 more ←
15:32:12 <dauwhe> ... plus work on the questionairres
... plus work on the questionairres ←
15:33:00 <dauwhe> mgylling: any advice for Peter?
Markus Gylling: any advice for Peter? ←
15:33:12 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: make sure you have representative sample of types of people that you interview
Bill Kasdorf: make sure you have representative sample of types of people that you interview ←
15:33:34 <dauwhe> ... the first interviews are cutting-edge folks, but may not be representative of average scholarly publisher
... the first interviews are cutting-edge folks, but may not be representative of average scholarly publisher ←
15:33:44 <dauwhe> ... the questionairre is intended to do that
... the questionairre is intended to do that ←
15:33:51 <dauwhe> pkra: I agree.
Peter Krautzberger: I agree. ←
15:34:15 <dauwhe> ... "strong opinions" is an understatement :)
... "strong opinions" is an understatement :) ←
15:34:19 <astearns> :)
Alan Stearns: :) ←
15:34:31 <dauwhe> ... I will follow your advice
... I will follow your advice ←
15:34:37 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:34:43 <dauwhe> mgylling: any more questions for peter?
Markus Gylling: any more questions for peter? ←
15:34:57 <mgylling> TPAC agenda is here: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2014-F2F
Markus Gylling: TPAC agenda is here: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2014-F2F ←
15:34:58 <dauwhe> Topic: TPAC agenda
15:35:18 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2014-F2F#Participation
Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2014-F2F#Participation ←
15:35:24 <dauwhe> mgylling: I will lean on Tzviya, who has been running calls
Markus Gylling: I will lean on Tzviya, who has been running calls ←
15:35:35 <dauwhe> ... who will attend in person, who will attend virtually
... who will attend in person, who will attend virtually ←
15:35:56 <ivan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/registrants#DP
Ivan Herman: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/registrants#DP ←
15:36:53 <dauwhe> mgylling: did we discuss agenda items in the last two calls?
Markus Gylling: did we discuss agenda items in the last two calls? ←
15:37:00 <dauwhe> tzviya: I'm going to pull up minutes
Tzviya Siegman: I'm going to pull up minutes ←
15:37:28 <tzviya> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Sep/0001.html
Tzviya Siegman: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Sep/0001.html ←
15:37:36 <dauwhe> ... we had a rough sketch of the meetings
... we had a rough sketch of the meetings ←
15:38:13 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html
Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/2014/09/08-dpub-minutes.html ←
15:40:22 <dauwhe> tzviya: want to talk with PF
Tzviya Siegman: want to talk with PF ←
15:41:09 <dauwhe> CSS has offered to meet on open time Monday
CSS has offered to meet on open time Monday ←
15:42:13 <dauwhe> mgylling: if our primary topic is pagination and box tree
Markus Gylling: if our primary topic is pagination and box tree ←
15:43:48 <astearns> Peter Linss is registered for AC/Testing on Thurs and Fri
Alan Stearns: Peter Linss is registered for AC/Testing on Thurs and Fri ←
15:44:17 <dauwhe> ... we could be looking at spending a full half day on pagination both internally and with CSS
... we could be looking at spending a full half day on pagination both internally and with CSS ←
15:44:32 <Bert> (I'll be there the whole week, too.)
Bert Bos: (I'll be there the whole week, too.) ←
15:44:41 <dauwhe> ... this is both requirements doc for DOM pagination, CSS box tree, and publishers requirements
... this is both requirements doc for DOM pagination, CSS box tree, and publishers requirements ←
15:45:36 <dauwhe> ... for IG's own agenda
... for IG's own agenda ←
15:46:09 <dauwhe> ... 25% to pagination cluster (req, css, dom) but we don't know when yet. Waiting to hear from dauwhe on getting CSS participation
... 25% to pagination cluster (req, css, dom) but we don't know when yet. Waiting to hear from dauwhe on getting CSS participation ←
15:46:22 <dauwhe> ... I'll put tentatively on thursday morning pagination
... I'll put tentatively on thursday morning pagination ←
15:46:27 <dauwhe> ... we can move later
... we can move later ←
15:46:49 <dauwhe> ... regarding PF / a11y / role
... regarding PF / a11y / role ←
15:46:57 <dauwhe> tzviya: I can reach out to PF folks
Tzviya Siegman: I can reach out to PF folks ←
15:47:18 <dauwhe> ... focused on integrating DPUB terminology
... focused on integrating DPUB terminology ←
15:48:09 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: a joint session could be useful, we'd want to talk about what form that would take
Deborah Kaplan: a joint session could be useful, we'd want to talk about what form that would take ←
15:48:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: not sure how much time we should take
Tzviya Siegman: not sure how much time we should take ←
15:48:53 <dauwhe> mgylling: if we get meeting with PF, would be good to summarize our next steps
Markus Gylling: if we get meeting with PF, would be good to summarize our next steps ←
15:49:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: we might work with people other than PF
Tzviya Siegman: we might work with people other than PF ←
15:49:48 <dauwhe> dkaplan3: we have meeting with WAI and mobile team to talk about road map mobile used
Deborah Kaplan: we have meeting with WAI and mobile team to talk about road map mobile used ←
15:49:59 <dauwhe> ... might help us avoid some dead ends
... might help us avoid some dead ends ←
15:50:28 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
Zakim IRC Bot: -dkaplan3 ←
15:50:38 <dauwhe> mgylling: what other themes for IG meetings?
Markus Gylling: what other themes for IG meetings? ←
15:50:47 <dauwhe> tzviya: metadata
Tzviya Siegman: metadata ←
15:51:03 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: we now have github draft up for discussion
Bill Kasdorf: we now have github draft up for discussion ←
15:51:12 <dauwhe> ... I'll be there thursday friday
... I'll be there thursday friday ←
15:51:17 <dauwhe> ... madi can't attend
... madi can't attend ←
15:51:39 <dauwhe> madi: I'll try to call in, depending on the time
Madi Solomon: I'll try to call in, depending on the time ←
15:51:45 <dauwhe> ivan: what times would work for you
Ivan Herman: what times would work for you ←
15:51:52 <dauwhe> madi: earliest meetings are better
Madi Solomon: earliest meetings are better ←
15:52:01 <TimCole> for metadata, I will only be there Thursday and would like to hear about metadata that day if possible
Timothy Cole: for metadata, I will only be there Thursday and would like to hear about metadata that day if possible ←
15:52:07 <dauwhe> mgylling: I'll put metadata on friday morning
Markus Gylling: I'll put metadata on friday morning ←
15:52:14 <dauwhe> ... do we have clear deliverable here?
... do we have clear deliverable here? ←
15:52:31 <Zakim> +[Safari]
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15:52:32 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: want to get discussion going on list based on starter draft on github
Bill Kasdorf: want to get discussion going on list based on starter draft on github ←
15:52:39 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:52:41 <pkra> q+
Peter Krautzberger: q+ ←
15:52:42 <dauwhe> ... designed to stimulate discussion
... designed to stimulate discussion ←
15:52:47 <dkaplan3> zakim, [Safari] IS ME
Deborah Kaplan: zakim, [Safari] IS ME ←
15:52:47 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan3; got it ←
15:53:05 <dauwhe> ... would like clarity on what we're working towards
... would like clarity on what we're working towards ←
15:53:32 <dauwhe> ivan: 2 things: 1: github doc will eventually become publication, but it also includes recommendations for further work
Ivan Herman: 2 things: 1: github doc will eventually become publication, but it also includes recommendations for further work ←
15:53:45 <dauwhe> ... and that further work may happen as part of the IGs work for the coming year
... and that further work may happen as part of the IGs work for the coming year ←
15:53:53 <dauwhe> ... it's both document and planning
... it's both document and planning ←
15:54:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: let a week or two go by for discussion, then I can provide an agenda for that discussion
Bill Kasdorf: let a week or two go by for discussion, then I can provide an agenda for that discussion ←
15:55:03 <dauwhe> ... maybe by the 13th
... maybe by the 13th ←
15:55:24 <dauwhe> mgylling: pagination, metadata, possibly a11y, what else?
Markus Gylling: pagination, metadata, possibly a11y, what else? ←
15:55:38 <dauwhe> tzviya: having update on STEM
Tzviya Siegman: having update on STEM ←
15:56:04 <dauwhe> mgylling: update on STEM task force?
Markus Gylling: update on STEM task force? ←
15:56:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: annotations work is now in its own group
Tzviya Siegman: annotations work is now in its own group ←
15:56:29 <fjh> Annotation WG will have meeing on Tuesday at TPAC
Frederick Hirsch: Annotation WG will have meeing on Tuesday at TPAC ←
15:56:33 <dauwhe> ivan: we should publish annotations use cases as note, then close task force
Ivan Herman: we should publish annotations use cases as note, then close task force ←
15:56:42 <dauwhe> ... this is on Rob's shoulders
... this is on Rob's shoulders ←
15:57:15 <dauwhe> ... the annotation use cases doc should be closed, and not be on agenda any more
... the annotation use cases doc should be closed, and not be on agenda any more ←
15:57:24 <dauwhe> ... we don't need f2f time for this
... we don't need f2f time for this ←
15:57:32 <dauwhe> mgylling: do we need F2F time for STEM?
Markus Gylling: do we need F2F time for STEM? ←
15:57:35 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:57:40 <mgylling> ack everyone
Markus Gylling: ack everyone ←
15:57:45 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:57:49 <mgylling> ack pkra
Markus Gylling: ack pkra ←
15:57:51 <dauwhe> pkra: I cannot make it, can dial in
Peter Krautzberger: I cannot make it, can dial in ←
15:58:21 <dauwhe> ... there was nothing planned.
... there was nothing planned. ←
15:58:35 <astearns> have to drop for my next meeting, sorry
Alan Stearns: have to drop for my next meeting, sorry ←
15:58:41 <Zakim> -astearns
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15:58:58 <dauwhe> ... might connect with math group
... might connect with math group ←
15:59:34 <dauwhe> tzviya: we can get update at weekly meetings
Tzviya Siegman: we can get update at weekly meetings ←
15:59:47 <Zakim> -liza
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16:00:16 <dauwhe> mgylling: we can certainly use F2F time if it will help
Markus Gylling: we can certainly use F2F time if it will help ←
16:00:58 <dauwhe> mgylling: agenda now beginning to appear on wiki
Markus Gylling: agenda now beginning to appear on wiki ←
16:01:07 <dauwhe> ivan: update on chinareq
Ivan Herman: update on chinareq ←
16:01:22 <dauwhe> ... lot of overlap with i18n
... lot of overlap with i18n ←
16:01:27 <dauwhe> ... also in korean
... also in korean ←
16:01:45 <dauwhe> ... discussions with Indian community about typesetting requirements
... discussions with Indian community about typesetting requirements ←
16:01:53 <dauwhe> ... we should discuss with Richard Ishidia
... we should discuss with Richard Ishida ←
16:02:15 <dauwhe> s/Ishidia/Ishida/
16:02:26 <dauwhe> mgylling: can we put placeholder?
Markus Gylling: can we put placeholder? ←
16:02:34 <dauwhe> ivan: I'll check with them, if you ask nicely
Ivan Herman: I'll check with them, if you ask nicely ←
16:02:57 <clapierre> Meeting with SVG?
Charles LaPierre: Meeting with SVG? ←
16:02:59 <dauwhe> mgylling: pagination, metadata, i18n, possibly a11y, possibly STEM
Markus Gylling: pagination, metadata, i18n, possibly a11y, possibly STEM ←
16:03:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: we have talked about HTML WG about validation issues but not ready yet
Tzviya Siegman: we have talked about HTML WG about validation issues but not ready yet ←
16:03:20 <Zakim> -david_stroup
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16:03:30 <Zakim> -fjh
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16:03:34 <dauwhe> tzviya: Charles had talked about meeting with SVG group
Tzviya Siegman: Charles had talked about meeting with SVG group ←
16:03:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> I changed On: Peter and Madi to On: Bill and Madi for Friday morning metadata session at TPAC
Bill Kasdorf: I changed On: Peter and Madi to On: Bill and Madi for Friday morning metadata session at TPAC ←
16:03:49 <dauwhe> clapierre: I don't know what the status is there
Charles LaPierre: I don't know what the status is there ←
16:04:01 <Bill_Kasdorf> . . . in the agenda on the wiki
Bill Kasdorf: . . . in the agenda on the wiki ←
16:04:15 <dauwhe> ... since they're there we could find out about a11y in SVG
... since they're there we could find out about a11y in SVG ←
16:04:32 <dauwhe> mgylling: anyone here on that group? I'll take the action
Markus Gylling: anyone here on that group? I'll take the action ←
16:04:46 <dauwhe> ACTION: mgylling to reach out to SVG about a11y
ACTION: mgylling to reach out to SVG about a11y ←
16:04:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-26 - Reach out to svg about a11y [on Markus Gylling - due 2014-10-06].
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16:05:28 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:05:41 <dauwhe> mgylling: if you have more agenda items, let us know
Markus Gylling: if you have more agenda items, let us know ←
16:05:49 <dauwhe> ... sorry to be over time.
... sorry to be over time. ←
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