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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 23 September 2013

Present
Bert Bos, Dave Cramer, Pierre Danet, Sharad Garg, Markus Gylling, Ivan Herman, Frederick Hirsch, Vladimir Levantovsky, Peter Linss, Thierry Michel, Robert Sanderson, Tzviya Siegman, Madi Solomon
Guests
Karen Myers (W3C)
Regrets
George Walkley
Scribe
Tzviya Siegman
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
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<ivan> Present: Bert, dauwhe, pdanet, sharad, mgylling, ivan, fjh, vlad, plinss, tmichel, azaroth, tzviya, madi
14:01:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:01:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

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14:01:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:01:53 <trackbot> Date: 23 September 2013
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14:55:10 <Zakim> +??P22

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14:55:19 <mgylling> Zakim, P22 is me

Markus Gylling: Zakim, P22 is me

14:55:19 <Zakim> sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P22'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mgylling, I do not recognize a party named 'P22'

14:55:51 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P22 is me

Markus Gylling: Zakim, ??P22 is me

14:55:51 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it

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14:55:57 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

14:55:57 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

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14:56:00 <Zakim> +Ivan

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14:56:13 <Zakim> + +1.413.325.aabb

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14:56:53 <dauwhe> Zakim, aabb is dauwhe

Dave Cramer: Zakim, aabb is dauwhe

14:56:53 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe; got it

14:56:58 <fjh> zakim, code?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code?

14:56:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

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14:57:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:57:16 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:57:16 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

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14:57:26 <Zakim> + +1.505.665.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.505.665.aacc

14:57:32 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

14:58:07 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is making noise?

14:58:17 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +33.1.43.92.aaaa (0%)

Zakim IRC Bot: fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +33.1.43.92.aaaa (0%)

14:58:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

14:58:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc

14:58:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

14:58:39 <Zakim> + +1.201.748.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.201.748.aadd

14:59:16 <ivan> zakim, aadd is tzviya

Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is tzviya

14:59:16 <Zakim> +tzviya; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tzviya; got it

15:00:13 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers

15:00:35 <ivan> Guest: Karen (karen) Myers, W3C
15:01:07 <tzviya> scribe: tzviya

(Scribe set to Tzviya Siegman)

15:01:16 <Zakim> +plinss

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15:01:21 <Zakim> + +1.781.970.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.781.970.aaee

15:01:31 <Vlad> zakim, aaee is me

Vladimir Levantovsky: zakim, aaee is me

15:01:31 <Zakim> +Vlad; got it

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15:02:20 <Zakim> + +1.503.456.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.503.456.aaff

15:02:58 <Zakim> +Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert

15:03:35 <tzviya> Markus opens meeting

Markus opens meeting

15:03:45 <Zakim> + +329331aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aagg

15:05:14 <tzviya> Markus: today will discuss pagination task force

Markus Gylling: today will discuss pagination task force

15:05:26 <tzviya> ...first half discuss wiki entries

...first half discuss wiki entries

15:05:50 <tzviya> ...social reading and annotations has come the farthest

...social reading and annotations has come the farthest

15:06:04 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

15:06:19 <mgylling> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Sep/0015.html

Markus Gylling: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Sep/0015.html

15:06:40 <tzviya> Markus: minutes approved

Markus Gylling: minutes approved

15:06:56 <tzviya> Markus: new members

Markus Gylling: new members

15:07:11 <tzviya> ...Dave Cramer and Pierre

...Dave Cramer and Pierre Danet

15:07:20 <karen> s/Pierre/Pierre Danet
15:07:29 <tzviya> Pierre: Pierre Danet of Hachette Livre

Pierre Danet: Pierre Danet of Hachette Livre

15:07:52 <tzviya> ...business rep at W3C and involved in IDPF

...business rep at W3C and involved in IDPF

15:08:07 <tzviya> ...less technical and will be involved in use cases

...less technical and will be involved in use cases

15:08:21 <tzviya> Dave: Dave Cramer of hachette book group

Dave Cramer: Dave Cramer of hachette book group

15:08:56 <tzviya> ...bagen with typesetter, got involved in XML, HBG shifted to EPUB 2 and EPUB 3, involved in industry groups

...bagen with typesetter, got involved in XML, HBG shifted to EPUB 2 and EPUB 3, involved in industry groups

15:09:24 <tzviya> markus: logistics: TPAC is in November. we will meet there

Markus Gylling: logistics: TPAC is in November. we will meet there

15:09:45 <tzviya> ...Visa takes time.

...Visa takes time.

15:10:58 <tzviya> Agenda item: to new items on wiki http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory

Agenda item: to new items on wiki http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory

15:11:53 <tzviya> Markus: Rob to take us through new use cases in social reading

Markus Gylling: Rob to take us through new use cases in social reading

15:12:20 <tzviya> Rob: Annotating parts of embedded resources

Robert Sanderson: Annotating parts of embedded resources

15:12:35 <Zakim> + +44.797.077.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.797.077.aahh

15:12:36 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_5 Pointer to the wiki

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_5 Pointer to the wiki

15:12:59 <Zakim> - +44.797.077.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.797.077.aahh

15:13:08 <mgylling> regrets: George Walkley
15:13:19 <tzviya> Rob: for example, point to just a rectangle within an image

Robert Sanderson: for example, point to just a rectangle within an image

15:13:37 <tzviya> Markus: does this include elements of hypertext

Markus Gylling: does this include elements of hypertext

15:13:47 <Zakim> + +44.797.077.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.797.077.aaii

15:13:58 <madi> madi has joined from the UK

Madi Solomon: madi has joined from the UK

15:14:06 <ivan> zakim, aaii is madi

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaii is madi

15:14:06 <Zakim> +madi; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +madi; got it

15:14:10 <tzviya> Rob: that is <span> - resources that the DOM references, not the DOM itself

Robert Sanderson: that is <span> - resources that the DOM references, not the DOM itself

15:14:15 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_6

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_6

15:14:38 <tzviya> Rob: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_6 - user wants to annotate two parts of a resource

Robert Sanderson: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_6 - user wants to annotate two parts of a resource

15:14:52 <tzviya> ...likely for comparison purposes

...likely for comparison purposes

15:15:04 <tzviya> ...requirement is multiple targets

...requirement is multiple targets

15:15:26 <tzviya> Ivan: would this be a URI identifying multiple targets?

Ivan Herman: would this be a URI identifying multiple targets?

15:16:17 <tzviya> Rob: all that you need to do is add additional has target relationships (note: please make sure this is correct)

Robert Sanderson: all that you need to do is add additional has target relationships (note: please make sure this is correct)

15:16:32 <tzviya> ???: is this used for text only?

Pierre Danet: is this used for text only?

15:16:57 <tzviya> Rob: no, several use cases involve elements other than text, such as image, video

Robert Sanderson: no, several use cases involve elements other than text, such as image, video

15:17:08 <ivan> s/???/pdanet/
15:17:21 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_7

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Specific_7

15:17:37 <tzviya> Rob: annotate multiple parts or publications or resources within them

Robert Sanderson: annotate multiple parts or publications or resources within them

15:18:42 <tzviya> ...but two parts come from different areas, e.g. one character that appears in multiple books (Bilbo in the hobbit and the lord of the rings)

...but two parts come from different areas, e.g. one character that appears in multiple books (Bilbo in the hobbit and the lord of the rings)

15:18:58 <tzviya> ...this is complicated and out (as Ivan noted)

...this is complicated and out (as Ivan noted)

15:19:20 <tzviya> Ivan: how do you uniquely identify a book?

Ivan Herman: how do you uniquely identify a book?

15:19:24 <Pdanet> Yes, Ivan, it was Pierre

Pierre Danet: Yes, Ivan, it was Pierre

15:20:43 <tzviya> Rob: if products are off-line it is difficult to identify what a book is

Robert Sanderson: if products are off-line it is difficult to identify what a book is

15:21:04 <tzviya> Markus: IDPF will announce open anno project this week

Markus Gylling: IDPF will announce open anno project this week

15:21:10 <Pdanet> Sorry for my central Europe accent ))

Pierre Danet: Sorry for my central Europe accent ))

15:21:17 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_1

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_1

15:21:51 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_2

Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_2

15:21:55 <tzviya> Rob: croos format anno http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_1 - same content, different format

Robert Sanderson: cross format anno http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_1 - same content, different format

15:22:22 <fjh> annotations should be portable

Frederick Hirsch: annotations should be portable

15:22:24 <tzviya> ...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_2 cross-version, anno maintained when version is updated

...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_2 cross-version, anno maintained when version is updated

15:23:22 <dauwhe> s/croos/cross/
15:23:22 <tzviya> .....http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_3 maintain style - incorporates CSS into annotations - don't loose the styling that was part of annotation

.....http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_3 maintain style - incorporates CSS into annotations - don't loose the styling that was part of annotation

15:24:02 <tzviya> ... similar in that don't lose annotation when shift layout

... similar in that don't lose annotation when shift layout

15:24:35 <tzviya> ...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_5 - responsive design/content negotatiation with layout

...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Advanced_5 - responsive design/content negotatiation with annotation

15:24:58 <tzviya> s/layout/annotation
15:25:32 <tzviya> Pierre: what do you call the work ID?

Pierre Danet: what do you call the work ID?

15:25:53 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

15:25:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc, tzviya, Karen_Myers, plinss, Vlad, +1.503.456.aaff, Bert, +329331aagg (muted), ??P19, madi

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc, tzviya, Karen_Myers, plinss, Vlad, +1.503.456.aaff, Bert, +329331aagg (muted), ??P19, madi

15:25:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, tmichel, Sharad, naitik, Bert, Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, tmichel, Sharad, naitik, Bert, Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

15:26:38 <tzviya> Rob: the identity identifies the content irrespective of where it appears

Robert Sanderson: the identity identifies the content irrespective of where it appears

15:26:53 <tzviya> Pierre: this does not really exist yet.

Pierre Danet: this does not really exist yet.

15:27:19 <tzviya> Markus: We realize this. We have to work with this to get annotations to work

Markus Gylling: We realize this. We have to work with this to get annotations to work

15:27:33 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:27:34 <tzviya> Markus: security use cases

Markus Gylling: security use cases

15:28:23 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:28:30 <tzviya> Ivan: Please notify email group that have updated wiki when new use case added

Ivan Herman: Please notify email group that have updated wiki when new use case added

15:28:38 <tzviya> Sharad: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Security_UC#Security-1

Sharad Garg: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Security_UC#Security-1

15:29:23 <tzviya> ...publisher would like information to be available offline on authorized machine

...publisher would like information to be available offline on authorized machine

15:30:00 <tzviya> ...requires encryption, authorization, decryption

...requires encryption, authorization, decryption

15:31:10 <tzviya> ...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Security_UC#Security-2

...http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Security_UC#Security-2

15:31:17 <tzviya> ...client side use case

...client side use case

15:31:38 <tzviya> ...user should have secure reader to access encrypted content

...user should have secure reader to access encrypted content

15:31:57 <tzviya> q+

q+

15:32:29 <Zakim> -fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh

15:32:31 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

15:33:12 <tzviya> Markus: recommend removing EPUB from requirements as this is for OWP

Markus Gylling: recommend removing EPUB from requirements as this is for OWP

15:33:16 <azaroth> +1 re W3C vs EPUB

Robert Sanderson: +1 re W3C vs EPUB

15:33:18 <Zakim> - +329331aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: - +329331aagg

15:33:32 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:34:40 <tzviya> Pierre: security rules are usually linked to business rules (number of pages, number of cookies...). Where are the details of the security process?

Pierre Danet: security rules are usually linked to business rules (number of pages, number of cookies...). Where are the details of the security process?

15:34:51 <Zakim> + +329331aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aajj

15:34:55 <azaroth> zakim, aacc is azaroth

Robert Sanderson: zakim, aacc is azaroth

15:34:55 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it

15:35:32 <mgylling> ack tzviya

Markus Gylling: ack tzviya

15:35:49 <karen> Tzviya: one of issues of DRM in past is that it can inhibit usability

Tzviya Siegman: one of issues of DRM in past is that it can inhibit usability [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ]

15:35:59 <karen> ...whatever security is added should enable full usability

Karen Myers: ...whatever security is added should enable full usability

15:36:05 <karen> ...and as it relates to accessibility

Karen Myers: ...and as it relates to accessibility

15:36:07 <mgylling> ack azaroth

Markus Gylling: ack azaroth

15:36:25 <tzviya> Rob: this also impacts annotation

Robert Sanderson: this also impacts annotation

15:36:46 <tzviya> ...if you quote text, will impact annotation

...if you quote text, will impact annotation

15:36:50 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:37:05 <tzviya> ... a combined security/anno use case would be helpful

... a combined security/anno use case would be helpful

15:38:04 <tzviya> Markus: pagination task force

Markus Gylling: pagination task force

15:38:20 <tzviya> ...Dave Cramer will lead

...Dave Cramer will lead

15:39:08 <tzviya> ...define scope, priorities, and help in kicking this off for Dave

...define scope, priorities, and help in kicking this off for Dave

15:39:43 <tzviya> ...We must not run out of time, so must focus on essential issues

...We must not run out of time, so must focus on essential issues

15:40:35 <tzviya> Dave: how is what we are doing related to working CSS?

Dave Cramer: how is what we are doing related to working CSS?

15:41:08 <tzviya> Markus: this is part of the risk. With the exception of few contributions, there has been little input from publishing

Markus Gylling: this is part of the risk. With the exception of few contributions, there has been little input from publishing

15:41:30 <tzviya> ...we need to describe basic tenets of pagination

...we need to describe basic tenets of pagination

15:42:34 <tzviya> Dave

Dave

15:42:45 <tzviya> Dave: we are being media-agnostic

Dave Cramer: we are being media-agnostic

15:43:13 <tzviya> ...working on CSS that will work in browsers, print, reading systems

...working on CSS that will work in browsers, print, reading systems

15:43:24 <tzviya> +! to media agnostic

+1 to media agnostic

15:43:35 <ivan> s/+!/+1/
15:43:42 <tzviya> thanks

thanks

15:44:49 <azaroth> +1

Robert Sanderson: +1

15:46:37 <tzviya> Markus: we will keep CSS WG in loop the whole time and ask for feedback

Markus Gylling: we will keep CSS WG in loop the whole time and ask for feedback

15:47:01 <tzviya> ...one question for peter linss is who should liasons be?

...one question for peter linss is who should liasons be?

15:47:11 <tzviya> ...Helen Sterns and ???

...Alan Stearns and Elika

15:47:20 <ivan> s/???/Elika/
15:47:22 <dauwhe> s/Helen/Alan/
15:47:34 <tzviya> ...have been working on fragmentation and column work

...have been working on fragmentation and column work

15:48:05 <azaroth> s/Sterns/Stearns/
15:48:10 <tzviya> Markus: Setting priorities: Clarify priorities of publishers is important

Markus Gylling: Setting priorities: Clarify priorities of publishers is important

15:48:21 <azaroth> (@alanstearns at Adobe)

Robert Sanderson: (@alanstearns at Adobe)

15:48:51 <tzviya> ...we have built prioritization into use case template, but that will not highlight critical elements

...we have built prioritization into use case template, but that will not highlight critical elements

15:49:00 <tzviya> ...this will also vary across publishing

...this will also vary across publishing

15:49:14 <tzviya> Dave: people will tell you it's all critical

Dave Cramer: people will tell you it's all critical

15:49:59 <tzviya> Peter: We may just need to gather a few things to throw at CSS WG first and see what can get done first

Peter Linss: We may just need to gather a few things to throw at CSS WG first and see what can get done first

15:50:23 <tzviya> Markus: need an active team of contributors to work with Dave

Markus Gylling: need an active team of contributors to work with Dave

15:51:00 <tzviya> Elka and Alan will hopefully participate

Elka and Alan will hopefully participate

15:51:17 <tzviya> Dave: Would like to see someone from Pearson

Dave Cramer: Would like to see someone from Pearson

15:51:31 <tzviya> ...they have done work on 4C textbooks

...they have done work on 4C textbooks

15:52:19 <tzviya> ...will go to Paul Belfonte

...will go to Paul Belfonte

15:53:07 <tzviya> Ivan: Would still be helpful to give Karen pointers to non-W3C people who might be helpful

Ivan Herman: Would still be helpful to give Karen pointers to non-W3C people who might be helpful

15:54:23 <tzviya> Markus: Alan Stearns of Adobe is very involved. What about organizations involved in IDPF?

Markus Gylling: Alan Stearns of Adobe is very involved. What about organizations involved in IDPF?

15:54:46 <tzviya> ...e.g. B&N or iBooks?

...e.g. B&N or iBooks?

15:56:05 <tzviya> VitalSource

VitalSource

15:57:04 <tzviya> Markus: Is there a model in mind?

Markus Gylling: Is there a model in mind?

15:57:29 <tzviya> ...Consider using the Japanese model

...Consider using the Japanese model

15:58:02 <tzviya> Dave: describe what should happen in every circumstance imaginable

Dave Cramer: describe what should happen in every circumstance imaginable

15:58:07 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/ Requirements for Japanese Text layout

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/ Requirements for Japanese Text layout

15:58:10 <plinss> http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/

Peter Linss: http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/

15:58:43 <tzviya> Markus: this is also about concrete functional requirements

Markus Gylling: this is also about concrete functional requirements

15:59:28 <tzviya> ...e.g. is it enough to have headers and footers or do we need to transclude text?

...e.g. is it enough to have headers and footers or do we need to transclude text?

16:00:00 <tzviya> Dave: it might make sense to start from typographic perspective because that is where the body of knowledge comes from

Dave Cramer: it might make sense to start from typographic perspective because that is where the body of knowledge comes from

16:00:12 <tzviya> ...then shift to OWP

...then shift to OWP

16:00:34 <tzviya> Markus: we target to spend a lot of TPAC F2F on pagination

Markus Gylling: we target to spend a lot of TPAC F2F on pagination

16:00:54 <tzviya> ...to present whatever state our information is in at that point

...to present whatever state our information is in at that point

16:01:13 <tzviya> ...do we know whether we will meet with CSS WG at TPAC, Peter?

...do we know whether we will meet with CSS WG at TPAC, Peter?

16:01:32 <tzviya> Peter: I will bring it up

Peter Linss: I will bring it up

16:01:54 <tzviya> Markus: meet with Dave to continue planning

Markus Gylling: meet with Dave to continue planning

16:01:54 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:02:09 <Zakim> -madi

Zakim IRC Bot: -madi

16:02:13 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

16:02:15 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

16:02:16 <Zakim> - +329331aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: - +329331aajj

16:02:17 <Zakim> -Vlad

Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad

16:02:17 <Zakim> -dauwhe

Zakim IRC Bot: -dauwhe

16:02:17 <Zakim> -tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: -tzviya

16:02:18 <Zakim> - +1.503.456.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.503.456.aaff

16:02:18 <Zakim> -mgylling

Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling

16:02:18 <Zakim> - +33.1.43.92.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.1.43.92.aaaa

16:02:19 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers

16:02:21 <Zakim> -plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: -plinss

16:02:21 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:02:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/23-dpub-minutes.html ivan

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/23-dpub-minutes.html ivan

16:02:35 <Zakim> -Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert

16:03:23 <azaroth> Sorry for so many annotation use cases today, trying to do 3 or 4 a week so ended up with more than normal with the missed call

Robert Sanderson: Sorry for so many annotation use cases today, trying to do 3 or 4 a week so ended up with more than normal with the missed call

16:03:40 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

16:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P19

16:03:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see madi, tmichel, Sharad, Bert, Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see madi, tmichel, Sharad, Bert, Vlad, azaroth, Hajar, tzviya, Pdanet, karen, mgylling, fjh, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, liam, plinss, trackbot, sandro

16:04:49 <ivan> zakim, drop ??P19

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop ??P19

16:04:49 <Zakim> ??P19 is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P19 is being disconnected

16:04:50 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended

16:04:50 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, +1.413.325.aabb, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc, +1.201.748.aadd, tzviya, Karen_Myers, plinss, +1.781.970.aaee, Vlad,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +33.1.43.92.aaaa, mgylling, Ivan, +1.413.325.aabb, dauwhe, fjh, +1.505.665.aacc, +1.201.748.aadd, tzviya, Karen_Myers, plinss, +1.781.970.aaee, Vlad,

16:04:50 <Zakim> ... +1.503.456.aaff, Bert, +329331aagg, +44.797.077.aahh, +44.797.077.aaii, madi, +329331aajj, azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.503.456.aaff, Bert, +329331aagg, +44.797.077.aahh, +44.797.077.aaii, madi, +329331aajj, azaroth

16:05:09 <ivan> trackbot, stop telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, stop telcon

16:05:09 <trackbot> Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

16:05:20 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon

16:05:20 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:05:20 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

16:05:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:05:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot

16:05:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:05:29 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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