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14:02:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:02:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:02:52 <trackbot> Date: 27 August 2013
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14:58:29 <ivan> scribe: tzviya
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14:58:50 <mgylling> regrets: George Kerscher, Madi Solomon
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15:03:16 <ivan> Guest: Jean (JeanKaplansky) Kaplansky, Aptara
15:04:35 <tzviya> Markus: opens meeting
Markus Gylling: opens meeting ←
15:04:41 <karen_> Vlad is AC rep from Monotype
Karen Myers: Vlad is AC rep from Monotype ←
15:04:53 <tzviya> vladimir: from Monotype
Vladimir Levantovsky: from Monotype ←
15:05:32 <tzviya> ...provides software solutions for customers, e-tech and digital solutions
...provides software solutions for customers, e-text and digital solutions ←
15:05:48 <tzviya> ...member of W3C and fonts WG
...member of W3C and fonts WG ←
15:06:11 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
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15:06:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tsviya, azaroth, Ivan (muted), mgylling, duga, Bert, fjh, Vlad, plinss, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, Karen_Myers, Bernard, Sharad
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15:06:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, JeanKaplansky, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, duga, Bert, azaroth, mgylling, tzviya, fjh, karen_, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro
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15:06:35 <tzviya> Bernard from Cengage, an educational company, dir. of systems analysis
Bernard from Cengage, an educational company, dir. of systems analysis ←
15:08:09 <mgylling> prev weeks minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-20
Markus Gylling: prev weeks minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-20 ←
15:08:35 <Vlad> s/e-tech/e-text/
15:08:43 <tzviya> Markus: approval of last week's minutesL approved
Markus Gylling: approval of last week's minutesL approved ←
15:09:02 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: meeting agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Aug/0018.html
Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: meeting agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Aug/0018.html ←
15:09:43 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory ←
15:10:04 <tzviya> makrus: all members of group are free to add use cases to directory
Markus Gylling: all members of group are free to add use cases to directory ←
15:10:16 <ivan> s/makrus/markus/
15:10:35 <tzviya> ...we have a few people who are responsible for specific areas of use cases
...we have a few people who are responsible for specific areas of use cases ←
15:10:56 <tzviya> ...Jean oversees MathML, Rob oversees annotations
...Jean oversees MathML, Rob oversees annotations ←
15:11:09 <tzviya> ...Markus is looking for a lead on pagination
...Markus is looking for a lead on pagination ←
15:11:42 <tzviya> ...our structure is still in beta. We will use this for about 1 month. If there is something that is annoying, point it out
...our structure is still in beta. We will use this for about 1 month. If there is something that is annoying, point it out ←
15:12:27 <tzviya> ...we have 1-2 new faces weekly. Growing steadily
...we have 1-2 new faces weekly. Growing steadily ←
15:12:36 <ivan> Guest: Bernard (Bernard) Grunow, Cengage Learning
15:12:57 <tzviya> ...scribing. This week had 2 volunteers. So, we will stick with volunteers for now
...scribing. This week had 2 volunteers. So, we will stick with volunteers for now ←
15:13:28 <tzviya> ...everyone is asked to scribe from time to time
...everyone is asked to scribe from time to time ←
15:13:49 <tzviya> ...reminder of TPAC meeting. Register if going. Visas are often needed
...reminder of TPAC meeting. Register if going. Visas are often needed ←
15:14:04 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
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15:14:04 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
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15:14:32 <tzviya> Karen: main thing for TPAC: register and VISA letter can take time. Contact Karen with questions
Karen Myers: main thing for TPAC: register and VISA letter can take time. Contact Karen with questions ←
15:15:01 <ivan> Topic: Use Cases
15:15:12 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory ←
15:15:13 <tzviya> Markus; move on to wiki activities http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory
Markus Gylling: move on to wiki activities http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory ←
15:15:29 <ivan> s/Markus;/Markus:/
15:15:58 <tzviya> Markus: structure of use case directory is also somewhat arbitrary, expect it to change later on
Markus Gylling: structure of use case directory is also somewhat arbitrary, expect it to change later on ←
15:16:28 <tzviya> ...two initial use cases from naka-tobira needs input
...two initial use cases from naka-tobira needs input ←
15:16:36 <tzviya> ...and transclusion
...and transclusion ←
15:16:56 <tzviya> ...both are still state "new" and no need to change yet
...both are still state "new" and no need to change yet ←
15:17:33 <tzviya> ...we will probably leave use cases as "new" until we have a large sample and blessing from larger group
...we will probably leave use cases as "new" until we have a large sample and blessing from larger group ←
15:17:44 <tzviya> ...new use cases on math from jean
...new use cases on math from jean ←
15:17:59 <ivan> Subtopic: Math use cases
15:18:05 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC Math Use cases
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC Math Use cases ←
15:18:39 <tzviya> Jean: there are 2 different kinds of mathML - content-based and presentation-based MathML
Jean Kaplansky: there are 2 different kinds of mathML - content-based and presentation-based MathML ←
15:19:10 <tzviya> ...most browsers have taken a stab at presentation-based MathML. It is easier.
...most browsers have taken a stab at presentation-based MathML. It is easier. ←
15:19:44 <tzviya> ...We talk of separation of content and presentation. In math, presentation can change meaning of content.
...We talk of separation of content and presentation. In math, presentation can change meaning of content. ←
15:20:06 <tzviya> ...There needs to be a way to render MathML in general. Lack of native support in web engines.
...There needs to be a way to render MathML in general. Lack of native support in web engines. ←
15:20:50 <tzviya> ...second use case http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_2 is for dynamic use of math
...second use case http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_2 is for dynamic use of math ←
15:21:43 <tzviya> ...this is done with presentational MathML. user interacts with math. It is only when get to very high level math that require content MathML
...this is done with presentational MathML. user interacts with math. It is only when get to very high level math that require content MathML ←
15:22:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:22:11 <Bert> q+ to mention (1) Math WG is interested in case 2, and (2) ask how case 3 would be authored.
Bert Bos: q+ to mention (1) Math WG is interested in case 2, and (2) ask how case 3 would be authored. ←
15:22:40 <tzviya> .....3rd case http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_3 involves using MathML with interactivity that uses results
.....3rd case http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_3 involves using MathML with interactivity that uses results ←
15:23:07 <tzviya> ,,,connects computational results of research outside of the publication
...connects computational results of research outside of the publication ←
15:23:17 <ivan> s/,,,/.../
15:23:33 <tzviya> ...these use cases were written by Peter Krautzberger of MathJax javascript library
...these use cases were written by Peter Krautzberger of MathJax javascript library ←
15:23:35 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:23:58 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:25:59 <tzviya> Bill: a common use case: publisher input variables on graph, and changes visual display. Does this require content MathML or is presentational OK?
Bill Kasdorf: a common use case: publisher input variables on graph, and changes visual display. Does this require content MathML or is presentational OK? ←
15:26:15 <mgylling> ack Bert
Markus Gylling: ack Bert ←
15:26:15 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to mention (1) Math WG is interested in case 2, and (2) ask how case 3 would be authored.
Zakim IRC Bot: Bert, you wanted to mention (1) Math WG is interested in case 2, and (2) ask how case 3 would be authored. ←
15:26:23 <tzviya> Jean: to start with, presentational may be OK. The goal is to get something supported
Jean Kaplansky: to start with, presentational may be OK. The goal is to get something supported ←
15:26:59 <tzviya> Bert: I am on Math WG. Use case 2 is already in progress in Math WG
Bert Bos: I am on Math WG. Use case 2 is already in progress in Math WG ←
15:27:11 <Zakim> -duga
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15:27:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:27:44 <tzviya> ...question about use case 3 - who will author this? who will add semantic part?
...question about use case 3 - who will author this? who will add semantic part? ←
15:27:58 <Zakim> +duga
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15:28:13 <tzviya> Jean: I can't say. The authoring tools that exist are designscience, LaTeX, and something else
Jean Kaplansky: I can't say. The authoring tools that exist are designscience, LaTeX, and something else ←
15:29:22 <tzviya> ...Authoring tools are behind the scene. This needs to be part of use case. Will talk to Peter and bring back to Math WG
...Authoring tools are behind the scene. This needs to be part of use case. Will talk to Peter and bring back to Math WG ←
15:29:28 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:30:14 <tzviya> Bill: Scholarly publishing often asks how researchers are using web to do their work and how they publish their work
Bill Kasdorf: Scholarly publishing often asks how researchers are using web to do their work and how they publish their work ←
15:31:24 <tzviya> ...consider whether mathematicians are doing the work or publishing it
...consider whether mathematicians are doing the work or publishing it ←
15:32:00 <tzviya> Jean: there is a distinction. That is use case 3 - the interactive book.
Jean Kaplansky: there is a distinction. That is use case 3 - the interactive book. ←
15:32:21 <tzviya> ...whether this gains traction remains to be seen, but it is a use case
...whether this gains traction remains to be seen, but it is a use case ←
15:33:27 <tzviya> Markus: can we make use case 2 more specific in terms of interacting with math?
Markus Gylling: can we make use case 2 more specific in terms of interacting with math? ←
15:34:21 <tzviya> ...we expect to have many use cases of interaction. This may benefit from having specialized examples.
...we expect to have many use cases of interaction. This may benefit from having specialized examples. ←
15:34:33 <tzviya> ...How does this interact with math?
...How does this interact with math? ←
15:34:46 <tzviya> Jean: will talk to Peter about adding examples.
Jean Kaplansky: will talk to Peter about adding examples. ←
15:34:47 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:34:54 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:35:49 <tzviya> Ivan: general question: Have heard that current status of MathML implementation is bad.
Ivan Herman: general question: Have heard that current status of MathML implementation is bad. ←
15:36:13 <tzviya> ...what kind of additional documentation would be helpful to publishing industry?
...what kind of additional documentation would be helpful to publishing industry? ←
15:36:26 <tzviya> ...what would improve the state of MathML support?
...what would improve the state of MathML support? ←
15:36:40 <tzviya> Jean: there have been some one on one discussions
Jean Kaplansky: there have been some one on one discussions ←
15:36:54 <tzviya> ...Peter K and Jean will do a call to action
...Peter K and Jean will do a call to action ←
15:37:29 <tzviya> for publishers to adequately specify what their needs are for browser and reading system vendors
...for publishers to adequately specify what their needs are ...for browser and reading system vendors ←
15:37:54 <tzviya> s/for/...for
15:38:32 <tzviya> Bert: this is a regular topic for Math WG as well
Bert Bos: this is a regular topic for Math WG as well ←
15:39:09 <tzviya> ...Firefox tries to do the right thing. Chrome had some security issues, so shut it off, probably need some engineering help
...Firefox tries to do the right thing. Chrome had some security issues, so shut it off, probably need some engineering help ←
15:39:16 <tzviya> ...if have ideas, let Bert know
...if have ideas, let Bert know ←
15:39:48 <karen_> +1 Jean
Karen Myers: +1 Jean ←
15:39:54 <ivan> Subtopic: book semantics
15:40:11 <azaroth> scribe: azaroth
(Scribe set to Robert Sanderson)
15:40:40 <azaroth> Tzviya: I mentioned this briefly, in HTML structural semantics don't rewflect the issues we have. H1 is the highest structure, and in books that's nested in many other levels
Tzviya Siegman: I mentioned this briefly, in HTML structural semantics don't rewflect the issues we have. H1 is the highest structure, and in books that's nested in many other levels ←
15:40:59 <azaroth> ... typically there is part or chapter first, so it would be good to have structure that reflects part and chapter before H1
... typically there is part or chapter first, so it would be good to have structure that reflects part and chapter before H1 ←
15:41:18 <azaroth> ... Chapter is typically labeled H1 and h1 in print would be h2, making it confusing or it gets tagged incorrectly
... Chapter is typically labeled H1 and h1 in print would be h2, making it confusing or it gets tagged incorrectly ←
15:41:25 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:41:29 <azaroth> ... the highest level gets a div, and then h1 so it's not correct
... the highest level gets a div, and then h1 so it's not correct ←
15:41:38 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:42:07 <azaroth> Ivan: To be technical, there is something called a role attribute which is defined and something HTML5 acks as a possible attribute even if not in the WG
Ivan Herman: To be technical, there is something called a role attribute which is defined and something HTML5 acks as a possible attribute even if not in the WG ←
15:42:39 <azaroth> ... at first glance this attribute could be used for that, question to Tzviya if that is correct. It can be put on any element so can give the right semantics
... at first glance this attribute could be used for that, question to Tzviya if that is correct. It can be put on any element so can give the right semantics ←
15:43:10 <azaroth> ... the problem with this, and where this group may come up with requirements, at the moment the way that html5 defines the possible values that can be used for role is fairly restrictive
... the problem with this, and where this group may come up with requirements, at the moment the way that html5 defines the possible values that can be used for role is fairly restrictive ←
15:43:18 <azaroth> Markus: it's only aria
Markus Gylling: it's only aria ←
15:43:39 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:43:46 <azaroth> Ivan: Where we would go with the requirement would be to have some sort of mechanism whereby the allowed values could be extended in view of this requirement
Ivan Herman: Where we would go with the requirement would be to have some sort of mechanism whereby the allowed values could be extended in view of this requirement ←
15:43:55 <azaroth> ... that might be one way of solving the issue, if I understand
... that might be one way of solving the issue, if I understand ←
15:44:07 <azaroth> Tzviya: I think roles could be appropriate if able to be extended
Tzviya Siegman: I think roles could be appropriate if able to be extended ←
15:44:24 <azaroth> Markus: We just need an agreement on what to use. Could be rdfa or microdata etc. At the moment a big ?
Markus Gylling: We just need an agreement on what to use. Could be rdfa or microdata etc. At the moment a big ? ←
15:44:33 <azaroth> Ivan: FOr other reasons rdfa not appropriate
Ivan Herman: FOr other reasons rdfa not appropriate ←
15:44:43 <azaroth> Markus: No need to discuss solutions, just to make sure use case is clear
Markus Gylling: No need to discuss solutions, just to make sure use case is clear ←
15:44:50 <azaroth> ... Need to answer the question why you want to do this
... Need to answer the question why you want to do this ←
15:45:19 <azaroth> ... GOtten that back from html WG before -- need to understand why you want to do this, so need to document extra reasons
... GOtten that back from html WG before -- need to understand why you want to do this, so need to document extra reasons ←
15:45:27 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:45:33 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:45:33 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:45:53 <azaroth> Bill_Kasdorf: Quick comment -- one side is the semantic, the other side is the implied structure of the document starting with H1
Bill Kasdorf: Quick comment -- one side is the semantic, the other side is the implied structure of the document starting with H1 ←
15:46:11 <azaroth> ... as pointed out publishers want to define structure outside of the H* structure. Not just semantic.
... as pointed out publishers want to define structure outside of the H* structure. Not just semantic. ←
15:46:26 <azaroth> Markus: Gets interesting quickly, eg glossaries and dictionaries and relations that have meaning
Markus Gylling: Gets interesting quickly, eg glossaries and dictionaries and relations that have meaning ←
15:46:38 <azaroth> ... descendants can have implied or explicit semantics depending on their parents.
... descendants can have implied or explicit semantics depending on their parents. ←
15:47:10 <azaroth> ... Don't think it's a fair request to expect html5/svg to incorporate domain specific rules natively Need to have extensibility independent of the core specs
... Don't think it's a fair request to expect html5/svg to incorporate domain specific rules natively Need to have extensibility independent of the core specs ←
15:47:23 <azaroth> ... No one else on queue, so no more questions?
... No one else on queue, so no more questions? ←
15:47:35 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:47:49 <azaroth> ... Again, request to update, and willing to work with you on it.
... Again, request to update, and willing to work with you on it. ←
15:48:02 <ivan> scribe: tzviya
(Scribe set to Tzviya Siegman)
15:48:18 <ivan> Subtopic: social reading
15:48:42 <tzviya> Rob: social reading use cases
Robert Sanderson: social reading use cases ←
15:48:55 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:49:07 <tzviya> .....four basic and simple use cases
.....four basic and simple use cases ←
15:49:30 <tzviya> ... http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Basic_1 a simple comment made by a user
... http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Basic_1 a simple comment made by a user ←
15:50:00 <tzviya> ...may wish to make the comment public
...may wish to make the comment public ←
15:50:09 <tzviya> comments are mostly for identity
comments are mostly for identity ←
15:50:34 <tzviya> ...use case 2 http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Basic_2 for tagging "this is mine"
...use case 2 http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Basic_2 for tagging "this is mine" ←
15:51:07 <tzviya> ... use case 3 structured comment, review for quality
... use case 3 structured comment, review for quality ←
15:51:49 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:52:02 <tzviya> ... use case 4 - private comment, not for public platform but does need to go from one device to another
... use case 4 - private comment, not for public platform but does need to go from one device to another ←
15:52:09 <fjh> q+
Frederick Hirsch: q+ ←
15:52:12 <tzviya> ...such as from my nook to my ipadf
...such as from my nook to my ipad ←
15:52:22 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:52:34 <tzviya> s/ipadf/ipad
15:52:46 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeanKaplansky ←
15:53:06 <tzviya> ivan: refer only to open annotations
Ivan Herman: refer only to open annotations ←
15:53:42 <tzviya> ...open annotations does not define all the technical mechanisms for porting data (for example)
...open annotations does not define all the technical mechanisms for porting data (for example) ←
15:54:11 <tzviya> ...something like that is probably necessary.
...something like that is probably necessary. ←
15:54:36 <tzviya> ...this requirement goes way beyond OA and may involve many other groups
...this requirement goes way beyond OA and may involve many other groups ←
15:55:05 <tzviya> Rob: agreed. Relevant groups need to be filled out. The list could be very long
Robert Sanderson: agreed. Relevant groups need to be filled out. The list could be very long ←
15:55:32 <tzviya> ...Could pull in SVG and media fragments or assume by reference
...Could pull in SVG and media fragments or assume by reference ←
15:56:31 <tzviya> Ivan: we should take one of simpler use cases and people who have worked on this should do thought experiment to determine what is needed
Ivan Herman: we should take one of simpler use cases and people who have worked on this should do thought experiment to determine what is needed ←
15:56:55 <mgylling> ack fjh
Markus Gylling: ack fjh ←
15:57:45 <tzviya> Frederick: we need to understand that some things are external.
Frederick Hirsch: we need to understand that some things are external. ←
15:58:15 <tzviya> ...It would help use cases to understand what has been done already and what needs to be done.
...It would help use cases to understand what has been done already and what needs to be done. ←
15:58:36 <tzviya> ...we need to narrow scope because this is such a broad area
...we need to narrow scope because this is such a broad area ←
15:59:01 <tzviya> Rob: OA group has some implementation experience.
Robert Sanderson: OA group has some implementation experience. ←
15:59:26 <tzviya> ...Scope question - are we talking about annotating EPUB or web?
...Scope question - are we talking about annotating EPUB or web? ←
15:59:45 <tzviya> ...being more specific would be helpful
...being more specific would be helpful ←
16:00:22 <fjh> +1 to considering web as part of the scope
Frederick Hirsch: +1 to considering web as part of the scope ←
16:00:31 <tzviya> ...internal/external question - approach in dpub should not be just internal to publication, but approach whole web (IMO)
...internal/external question - approach in dpub should not be just internal to publication, but approach whole web (IMO) ←
16:00:56 <tzviya> markus: agreed. Approach the whole web. We are looking to bridge the gap
Markus Gylling: agreed. Approach the whole web. We are looking to bridge the gap ←
16:01:01 <azaroth> +1 to bridging
Robert Sanderson: +1 to bridging ←
16:01:27 <tzviya> Markus: ask Rob to continue adding use cases
Markus Gylling: ask Rob to continue adding use cases ←
16:01:49 <ivan> Topic: future issues
16:01:59 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
16:02:04 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh ←
16:02:06 <tzviya> ...if have use cases, talk to Markus or Madi
...if have use cases, talk to Markus or Madi ←
16:02:07 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
16:02:09 <Zakim> -Bernard
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bernard ←
16:02:11 <Zakim> -plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: -plinss ←
16:02:16 <karen_> meeting adjourned
Karen Myers: meeting adjourned ←
16:02:17 <Zakim> -Vlad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad ←
16:02:21 <karen_> +1 Tzviya
Karen Myers: +1 Tzviya ←
16:02:26 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:02:28 <Zakim> -Tsviya
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tsviya ←
16:02:29 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert ←
16:02:30 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
16:02:33 <karen_> rrsagent, draft minutes
Karen Myers: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:02:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-dpub-minutes.html karen_
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-dpub-minutes.html karen_ ←
16:02:33 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:02:46 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers ←
16:02:50 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sharad
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sharad ←
16:02:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bernard, Sharad, Bert, azaroth, mgylling, tzviya, fjh, karen_, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bernard, Sharad, Bert, azaroth, mgylling, tzviya, fjh, karen_, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro ←
16:03:28 <ivan> trackbot, stop telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, stop telcon ←
16:03:28 <trackbot> Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
16:03:37 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:03:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:03:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tsviya, azaroth, Ivan, mgylling, duga, Bert, Vlad, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, plinss, Karen_Myers, +1.248.699.aaaa, Sharad, Bernard
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Tsviya, azaroth, Ivan, mgylling, duga, Bert, Vlad, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, plinss, Karen_Myers, +1.248.699.aaaa, Sharad, Bernard ←
16:03:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:03:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-dpub-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:03:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:03:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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