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14:03:15 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:03:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
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14:03:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:03:16 <trackbot> Date: 20 August 2013
<ivan> Guest: Gerardo (gcapiel) Capiel, Benetech
<ivan> Guest: Jean (JeanKaplansky) Kaplansky, Aptara
<ivan> Guest: Karen (karen_) Myers, W3C
<ivan> Guest: Tzviya (tzviya) Siegman, Wiley
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14:58:03 <Zakim> +Tsviya
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14:58:25 <fjh> zakim, code?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, code? ←
14:58:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
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14:58:39 <Zakim> + +1.415.577.aaaa
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14:58:50 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:58:50 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:58:51 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:59:32 <Zakim> +duga
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14:59:34 <Zakim> +mielvds
Zakim IRC Bot: +mielvds ←
14:59:35 <gcapiel> +Gerardo as guest from Benetech
Gerardo Capiel: +Gerardo as guest from Benetech ←
14:59:35 <Zakim> +plinss
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14:59:48 <Zakim> +mgylling
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15:00:06 <Zakim> +??P16
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15:00:09 <mgylling> regrets: Vladimir Levantovsky, Tom De Nies, Sharad Garg, George Kerscher
15:00:14 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
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15:00:15 <Zakim> +azaroth
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15:00:19 <mielvds1> zakim, Hajar_ is with me
Miel Vander Sande: zakim, Hajar_ is with me ←
15:00:19 <Zakim> sorry, mielvds1, I do not recognize a party named 'mielvds1'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mielvds1, I do not recognize a party named 'mielvds1' ←
15:00:31 <Zakim> +Madi
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15:00:41 <mielvds1> zakim, mielvds is me
Miel Vander Sande: zakim, mielvds is me ←
15:00:41 <Zakim> +mielvds1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mielvds1; got it ←
15:01:07 <gcapiel> Gerardo Capiel from Benetech
Gerardo Capiel: Gerardo Capiel from Benetech ←
15:01:14 <mielvds1> zakim, Hajar_ is with me
Miel Vander Sande: zakim, Hajar_ is with me ←
<ivan> zakim, mielvds1 also has Hajar_
Ivan Herman: zakim, mielvds1 also has Hajar_ ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> +Hajar_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Hajar_; got it ←
15:01:16 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.734.904.aabb ←
15:01:30 <Zakim> + +1.703.352.aacc
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15:02:05 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tsviya, +1.415.577.aaaa, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, +1.734.904.aabb, +1.703.352.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tsviya, +1.415.577.aaaa, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, +1.734.904.aabb, +1.703.352.aacc ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_
Zakim IRC Bot: mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_ ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mielvds, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mielvds, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro ←
<ivan>Present: azaroth, Hajar, madi, mielvds, fjh, duga, mgylling, ivan, plinss
15:02:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:02:22 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
15:02:23 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
15:02:33 <karen_> Scribe: Madi
(Scribe set to Madi Solomon)
15:02:36 <mgylling> Guest: Anh Bui, Benetech
15:02:37 <madi> madi will attempt to scribe
madi will attempt to scribe ←
15:02:37 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
15:02:43 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tsviya, +1.415.577.aaaa, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, +1.734.904.aabb, +1.703.352.aacc, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tsviya, +1.415.577.aaaa, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, +1.734.904.aabb, +1.703.352.aacc, fjh ←
15:02:46 <Zakim> mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_
Zakim IRC Bot: mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_ ←
15:02:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro ←
15:02:53 <JeanKaplansky> Jean Kaplansky is 703 in the US.
Jean Kaplansky: Jean Kaplansky is 703 in the US. ←
15:02:56 <gcapiel> Gerardo Capiel is 415-577-3484
Gerardo Capiel: Gerardo Capiel is 415-577-3484 ←
15:02:57 <madi> @Karen thank you!
@Karen thank you! ←
15:03:11 <ivan> zakim, aacc is JeanKaplansky
Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is JeanKaplansky ←
15:03:11 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky; got it ←
15:03:23 <tzviya> Tzviya Siegman is the 201 number
Tzviya Siegman: Tzviya Siegman is the 201 number ←
15:03:34 <ivan> zakim, who is here/
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here/ ←
15:03:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is here/', ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is here/', ivan ←
15:03:40 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tsviya, +1.415.577.aaaa, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, +1.734.904.aabb, JeanKaplansky, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tsviya, +1.415.577.aaaa, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, +1.734.904.aabb, JeanKaplansky, fjh ←
15:03:44 <Zakim> mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_
Zakim IRC Bot: mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_ ←
15:03:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro ←
15:03:57 <ivan> zakim, aaabb is Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaabb is Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:03:57 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaabb' ←
15:04:13 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:04:13 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf; got it ←
15:04:34 <ivan> Guest: Bill (Bill_Kasdorf) Kasdorf
15:04:50 <madi> Ivan is still starting up the meeting
Ivan is still starting up the meeting ←
15:05:09 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is gcapiel
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is gcapiel ←
15:05:09 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it ←
15:05:48 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tsviya, gcapiel, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tsviya, gcapiel, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, fjh ←
15:05:50 <Zakim> mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_
Zakim IRC Bot: mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_ ←
15:05:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeanKaplansky, azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro ←
15:06:31 <ivan> scribenick: madi
15:06:38 <Bill_Kasdorf> On IRC now
Bill Kasdorf: On IRC now ←
15:06:39 <ivan> scribe: Madi
15:06:42 <madi> Markus opens the meeting with an acknowledgement of invited guests
Markus opens the meeting with an acknowledgement of invited guests ←
15:06:48 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-13
Markus Gylling: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-13 ←
15:06:55 <madi> First agenda: approval of meeting minutes.
First agenda: approval of meeting minutes. ←
15:07:22 <madi> No response. Good, moving on. Minutes accepted.
No response. Good, moving on. Minutes accepted. ←
15:07:54 <madi> Next agenda: new participants
Next agenda: new participants ←
15:08:02 <madi> @ ivan : ok
@ ivan : ok ←
15:08:36 <madi> Any organization or individual as candidates, please contact the Co Chairs
Any organization or individual as candidates, please contact the Co Chairs ←
15:09:15 <madi> Tzviya is now an invited expert. Markus: Welcome Tziya
Tzviya is now an invited expert. Markus: Welcome Tziya ←
15:09:32 <madi> Introductions to new participants of Bill Kasdorf
Introductions to new participants of Bill Kasdorf ←
15:09:51 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh ←
15:10:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:11:38 <fjh_> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
15:11:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tsviya, gcapiel, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tsviya, gcapiel, Ivan, duga, plinss, mielvds1, mgylling, ??P16, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Madi, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, [IPcaller] ←
15:11:40 <Zakim> mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_
Zakim IRC Bot: mielvds1 has mielvds1, Hajar_ ←
15:11:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh_, JeanKaplansky, azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fjh_, JeanKaplansky, azaroth, Hajar_, karen_, madi, mielvds1, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, duga, gcapiel, tzviya, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro ←
15:11:46 <fjh_> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
15:11:46 <Zakim> +fjh_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh_; got it ←
15:12:03 <fjh_> zakim, who is making noise?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:12:14 <Zakim> fjh_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mielvds1 (64%), mgylling (29%)
Zakim IRC Bot: fjh_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mielvds1 (64%), mgylling (29%) ←
15:12:14 <gcapiel> Links to affiliations I cited http://diagramcenter.org, http://benetech.org, http://bookshare.org and http://a11ymetadata.org
Gerardo Capiel: Links to affiliations I cited http://diagramcenter.org, http://benetech.org, http://bookshare.org and http://a11ymetadata.org ←
15:12:19 <madi> There are overheard conversations. Please be sure to mute your phones.
There are overheard conversations. Please be sure to mute your phones. ←
15:12:45 <madi> Markus: moving on
Markus Gylling: moving on ←
15:13:05 <madi> Markus: update of activities for new members
Markus Gylling: update of activities for new members ←
15:13:05 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory ←
15:13:36 <fjh_> zakim, who is making noise?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:13:47 <Zakim> fjh_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (100%)
Zakim IRC Bot: fjh_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (100%) ←
15:13:51 <madi> There is structure with the Use Cases which may change, but we should stabilise quickly
There is structure with the Use Cases which may change, but we should stabilise quickly ←
15:14:25 <madi> There are two Use Cases listed which have been added as example
There are two Use Cases listed which have been added as example ←
15:14:39 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/NakaTobira_01 Naka-Tobira case
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/NakaTobira_01 Naka-Tobira case ←
15:14:41 <madi> This page will be the central reference for USe Cases
This page will be the central reference for USe Cases ←
15:15:08 <madi> NakaTobira_01: this an individual use case. One Wiki per use case.
NakeTobira_01 is this an individual use case. One Wiki per use case. ←
15:15:49 <madi> The various fields contain descriptions or scenarios that need to be captured. Non technical.
The various fields contain descriptions or scenarios that need to be captured. Non technical. ←
15:16:27 <madi> Experts are required to fill in details. This is why it is marked in red to remind us that we are in need of experts.
Experts are required to fill in details. This is why it is marked in red to remind us that we are in need of experts. ←
15:16:52 <madi> Requirements will be distilled from the Use Case.
Requirements will be distilled from the Use Case. ←
15:16:52 <ivan> s/NakaTobira_01: /NakeTobira_01 is /
15:17:47 <madi> NakTobira_01 is a the name of a Use Case.
NakTobira_01 is a the name of a Use Case. ←
15:18:35 <madi> Process includes adding the template metadata to complete
Process includes adding the template metadata to complete ←
15:19:09 <madi> \Standing agenda items will alert new use cases, or those Use Cases that have been completed
\Standing agenda items will alert new use cases, or those Use Cases that have been completed ←
15:19:23 <madi> If the Use Case is mature, it will be "Accepted"
If the Use Case is mature, it will be "Accepted" ←
15:19:48 <madi> Extensive discussions can be extended in the Wiki if needed
Extensive discussions can be extended in the Wiki if needed ←
15:20:22 <madi> End of overview of the Use Case approach. Many have been through something similar. Input most welcome.
End of overview of the Use Case approach. Many have been through something similar. Input most welcome. ←
15:20:46 <madi> Open for comment, questions
Open for comment, questions ←
15:20:56 <azaroth> +1 to approach
Robert Sanderson: +1 to approach ←
15:21:03 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:21:14 <madi> One question from Tzviya
One question from Tzviya ←
15:21:49 <madi> Tzviya: there will be more forthcoming specification details, for example CSS.
Tzviya Siegman: there will be more forthcoming specification details, for example CSS. ←
15:22:26 <madi> Markus: yes. Once we have enough meat, we'll start active outreach to solicit more information
Markus Gylling: yes. Once we have enough meat, we'll start active outreach to solicit more information ←
15:22:52 <madi> Working groups will receive these. Not ours to solve which problems, but that we describe them.
Working groups will receive these. Not ours to solve which problems, but that we describe them. ←
15:23:04 <JeanKaplansky> q+
Jean Kaplansky: q+ ←
15:23:10 <madi> Markus: room for comments however.
Markus Gylling: room for comments however. ←
15:23:18 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
15:23:31 <madi> Jean: Do we have details on these examples yet?
Jean Kaplansky: Do we have details on these examples yet? ←
15:23:44 <madi> Do we need that level of detail?
Do we need that level of detail? ←
15:24:19 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:24:21 <madi> Markus: depends on who you ask. There are varying levels of understanding/maturity
Markus Gylling: depends on who you ask. There are varying levels of understanding/maturity ←
15:24:36 <duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:24:57 <madi> Markus: let's keep it common knowledge : make it easy to comprehend
Markus Gylling: let's keep it common knowledge : make it easy to comprehend ←
15:25:00 <ivan> s/Jean/JeanKaplansky/
15:25:29 <ivan> ack JeanKaplansky
Ivan Herman: ack JeanKaplansky ←
15:25:41 <madi> Bill Kasdorf: spend a little time on dependencies?
Bill Kasdorf: spend a little time on dependencies? ←
15:26:00 <madi> Markus: Relation fields only relates to other Use Cases in our collection
Markus Gylling: Relation fields only relates to other Use Cases in our collection ←
15:26:33 <madi> Perhaps calling it TakaTobira should be generalised.
Perhaps calling it TakaTobira should be generalised. ←
15:26:40 <madi> NakaTobira
NakaTobira ←
15:26:59 <madi> Markus: NataTobira is an issue in eBooks, concrete requirements
Markus Gylling: NataTobira is an issue in eBooks, concrete requirements ←
15:27:16 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:27:57 <madi> Bill Kasdorf: I can provide concrete requirements in poetry, or aligning chapter title, or other vertical alignments. Appropriate as separate Use Cases and link to NakaTobira?
Bill Kasdorf: I can provide concrete requirements in poetry, or aligning chapter title, or other vertical alignments. Appropriate as separate Use Cases and link to NakaTobira? ←
15:28:15 <madi> Markus: Yes, I see it that way. Use Cases from three different domains would be ideal.
Markus Gylling: Yes, I see it that way. Use Cases from three different domains would be ideal. ←
15:28:31 <madi> Brady...?
Brady...? ←
15:29:03 <madi> Brady: Back to the NakaTobira case. Important to have ample amount of detail. There are 3 or 4 solutions, none of which work.
Brady Duga: Back to the NakaTobira case. Important to have ample amount of detail. There are 3 or 4 solutions, none of which work. ←
15:29:23 <madi> Brady: If we don't include all the Use Cases, we'll only duplicate effort
Brady Duga: If we don't include all the Use Cases, we'll only duplicate effort ←
15:29:45 <madi> Brady: Why couldn't we solve this problem prior are all lessons we can learn and build on
Brady Duga: Why couldn't we solve this problem prior are all lessons we can learn and build on ←
15:30:21 <madi> Brady: What kinds of questions should I bring up in the USe Case or within the Working Group?
Brady Duga: What kinds of questions should I bring up in the USe Case or within the Working Group? ←
15:31:21 <madi> Markus: Good question. My state of mind - requirements using open web standard. Our goal is to improve digital publishing with these standards.
Markus Gylling: Good question. My state of mind - requirements using open web standard. Our goal is to improve digital publishing with these standards. ←
15:32:04 <madi> Markus: I will ignore ePub and work toward improving the open web standards.
Markus Gylling: I will ignore ePub and work toward improving the open web standards. ←
15:32:56 <madi> Markus: Some solutions of NakaTobira in ePub, but a better one needed. Here is where we can find the best solution for the long term.
Markus Gylling: Some solutions of NakaTobira in ePub, but a better one needed. Here is where we can find the best solution for the long term. ←
15:33:19 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:33:26 <ivan> ack duga
Ivan Herman: ack duga ←
15:33:31 <madi> Duga ?
Duga ? ←
15:33:37 <duga> s/Brady/duga
15:33:42 <madi> Oh, sorry!
Oh, sorry! ←
15:33:45 <duga> np!
Brady Duga: np! ←
15:34:20 <madi> Marching orders: move forward with the design template and start populating them. It may change, but we should get on with it.
Marching orders are to move forward with the design template and start populating them. It may change, but we should get on with it. ←
15:34:33 <madi> Markus: How to we get this started?
Markus Gylling: How to we get this started? ←
15:34:46 <madi> Markus: NExt Steps agenda items
Markus Gylling: NExt Steps agenda items ←
15:34:54 <ivan> s/Marching orders:/Marching orders are to/
15:35:26 <madi> Many different approaches for this. Blanket canvasing, individual approaches
Many different approaches for this. Blanket canvasing, individual approaches ←
15:35:37 <madi> Markus: other suggestions?
Markus Gylling: other suggestions? ←
15:36:11 <madi> gcapiel: We would be interested in assessment and metadata work. We could take subset of those.
Gerardo Capiel: We would be interested in assessment and metadata work. We could take subset of those. ←
15:36:16 <madi> Markus: Thank you.
Markus Gylling: Thank you. ←
15:36:54 <madi> Markus: sub groups as better than free for all?
Markus Gylling: sub groups as better than free for all? ←
15:36:59 <madi> gcapiel: Yes.
Gerardo Capiel: Yes. ←
15:37:42 <madi> Markus: Let's begin composing sub groups, but very transparently so we stay informed.
Markus Gylling: Let's begin composing sub groups, but very transparently so we stay informed. ←
15:37:59 <madi> Markus: We'd like to assign one person to drive a domain Use Case.
Markus Gylling: We'd like to assign one person to drive a domain Use Case. ←
15:38:35 <gcapiel> We would also have an interest infographics and STEM in general
Gerardo Capiel: We would also have an interest infographics and STEM in general ←
15:38:36 <Bill_Kasdorf> suggested term: issue monitor
Bill Kasdorf: suggested term: issue monitor ←
15:38:40 <madi> Markus: We could try that.
Markus Gylling: We could try that. ←
15:39:01 <madi> Markus: Issue Monitor (suggested) might be Pagination. Peter, any suggestions for this?
Markus Gylling: Issue Monitor (suggested) might be Pagination. Peter, any suggestions for this? ←
15:39:14 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:39:20 <madi> Peter: no
Peter Linss: no ←
15:39:44 <madi> Markus: I will scout for someone. Action item for Markus: Find the lead for the Pagination work.
Markus Gylling: I will scout for someone. Action item for Markus: Find the lead for the Pagination work. ←
15:39:47 <JeanKaplansky> q+
Jean Kaplansky: q+ ←
15:39:53 <madi> Peter: suggested....and I missed it....
Peter Linss: suggested....and I missed it.... ←
15:40:05 <madi> Madi: missed it
Madi Solomon: missed it ←
15:40:15 <Zakim> +duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +duga ←
15:40:16 <tzviya> Daniel Glazman suggested
Tzviya Siegman: Daniel Glazman suggested ←
15:40:45 <karen_> Madi: I have always called out to my folks at Pearson
Madi Solomon: I have always called out to my folks at Pearson [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:40:55 <karen_> ...to identify key leads or key people to invite them
Karen Myers: ...to identify key leads or key people to invite them ←
15:41:01 <karen_> ...and make it easy for them to fill out the use cases
Karen Myers: ...and make it easy for them to fill out the use cases ←
15:41:09 <karen_> ...going to be a broader approach
Karen Myers: ...going to be a broader approach ←
15:41:17 <karen_> ...or do use cases and go find people to fill out
Karen Myers: ...or do use cases and go find people to fill out ←
15:41:26 <madi> Markus: Groups are only one approach. Many ways to populate.
Markus Gylling: Groups are only one approach. Many ways to populate. ←
15:41:26 <karen_> Markus: no, just one approach
Markus Gylling: no, just one approach [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:41:36 <karen_> ...if publishing house has one way of doing it, just do it
Karen Myers: ...if publishing house has one way of doing it, just do it ←
15:41:46 <karen_> ...just add the stuff you know you want to submit here
Karen Myers: ...just add the stuff you know you want to submit here ←
15:41:48 <karen_> ...that is fine
Karen Myers: ...that is fine ←
15:41:58 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:41:59 <karen_> ...Interest Group will monitor the wiki for new use cases either way
Karen Myers: ...Interest Group will monitor the wiki for new use cases either way ←
15:42:05 <karen_> Madi: yes
Madi Solomon: yes [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←
15:42:06 <ivan> ack madi
Ivan Herman: ack madi ←
15:42:11 <ivan> ack JeanKaplansky
Ivan Herman: ack JeanKaplansky ←
15:42:21 <madi> Jean: Getting this to public email.
Jean Kaplansky: Getting this to public email. ←
15:42:41 <madi> ...MathML. Will be following up with this.
...MathML. Will be following up with this. ←
15:43:12 <karen_> +1 Jean and MathML :)
Karen Myers: +1 Jean and MathML :) ←
15:43:15 <gcapiel> Yeah!
Gerardo Capiel: Yeah! ←
15:43:18 <madi> Queen of MathML.
Queen of MathML. ←
15:43:46 <gcapiel> I'm also on MathJax steering comm
Gerardo Capiel: I'm also on MathJax steering comm ←
15:43:53 <madi> Markus: third issue is Annotation and Reading
Markus Gylling: third issue is Annotation and Reading ←
15:44:15 <madi> Markus: Rob is here and Chair of the Open Annoations workteam.
Markus Gylling: Rob is here and Chair of the Open Annoations workteam. ←
15:44:26 <madi> ...we need to do the same here.
...we need to do the same here. ←
15:44:50 <madi> ..Markus: Rob, any suggestions for Annotations Use Case?
..Markus: Rob, any suggestions for Annotations Use Case? ←
15:44:59 <madi> Rob: happy to do so. Will put call out.
Robert Sanderson: happy to do so. Will put call out. ←
15:45:25 <madi> Markus: Thank you.
Markus Gylling: Thank you. ←
15:46:02 <madi> Markus: Pagination? Jean for Math, Rob for Annotation.
Markus Gylling: Pagination? Jean for Math, Rob for Annotation. ←
15:46:11 <madi> ...anyone want to take a work thread?
...anyone want to take a work thread? ←
15:46:23 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:46:23 <madi> Markus: Ivan, how about metadata?
Markus Gylling: Ivan, how about metadata? ←
15:46:25 <ivan> s/Rob:/azaroth:/
15:46:35 <madi> ...any suggestions on that?
...any suggestions on that? ←
15:46:47 <madi> Ivan: We need a number of people outside this group.
Ivan Herman: We need a number of people outside this group. ←
15:46:59 <madi> ...Schema.org, Eduserve people...
...Schema.org, Eduserve people... ←
15:47:06 <Bill_Kasdorf> I would recommend Mark Bide or Graham Bell as members of this IG
Bill Kasdorf: I would recommend Mark Bide or Graham Bell as members of this IG ←
15:47:12 <madi> Ivan: many players in metadata.
Ivan Herman: many players in metadata. ←
15:47:25 <azaroth> Editeur rather than Eduserve ?
Robert Sanderson: Editeur rather than Eduserve ? ←
15:47:40 <madi> Ivan: Yes, we'll speak with Mark Bide and Graham Bell of EditEur.
Ivan Herman: Yes, we'll speak with Mark Bide and Graham Bell of EDItEUR. ←
15:47:46 <madi> ...as well as the library world.
...as well as the library world. ←
15:47:55 <ivan> s/EditEur/EDItEUR/
15:48:20 <madi> Markus: stakeholders?
Markus Gylling: stakeholders? ←
15:48:41 <madi> Ivan: at this moment, no groups in W3C that work on metadata that would be useful for publishing.
Ivan Herman: at this moment, no groups in W3C that work on metadata that would be useful for publishing. ←
15:48:56 <madi> ...other topics, yes, like HTML.
...other topics, yes, like HTML. ←
15:49:19 <madi> ...we might need to set up a separate group on that to fill in gap.
...we might need to set up a separate group on that to fill in gap. ←
15:49:30 <madi> Markus: yes.
Markus Gylling: yes. ←
15:49:41 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:49:41 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
15:50:15 <madi> Tzviya: HTML, the way books and websites are different. When tagging, many different ways to do this.
Tzviya Siegman: HTML, the way books and websites are different. When tagging, many different ways to do this. ←
15:50:25 <mielvds1> agreed
Miel Vander Sande: agreed ←
15:50:48 <madi> Ivan: HTML, metadata, structural semantics? all different.
Ivan Herman: HTML, metadata, structural semantics? all different. ←
15:51:14 <madi> Bill Kasdorf: they will intersect. They are also defined differently
Bill Kasdorf: they will intersect. They are also defined differently ←
15:51:24 <JeanKaplansky> +q
Jean Kaplansky: +q ←
15:51:37 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:51:49 <mielvds1> look at the role of RDFa on this as well
Miel Vander Sande: look at the role of RDFa on this as well ←
15:51:56 <madi> Bill Kasdorf: question about the issue what to call these sub groups.
Bill Kasdorf: question about the issue what to call these sub groups. ←
15:52:20 <mgylling> tzviya, FYI I added a "structural semantics" entry to the directory page…
Markus Gylling: tzviya, FYI I added a "structural semantics" entry to the directory page… ←
15:52:21 <madi> ....Issue Monitor rather than Sub Group. Issue Monitor can bring in external expert. Is that ok?
....Issue Monitor rather than Sub Group. Issue Monitor can bring in external expert. Is that ok? ←
15:52:48 <madi> Ivan: issues of membership can be complicated.
Ivan Herman: issues of membership can be complicated. ←
15:53:23 <madi> ...members can confer with colleagues and experts. But prefer to have it done with members of this group.
...members can confer with colleagues and experts. But prefer to have it done with members of this group. ←
15:53:56 <madi> Bill Kasdorf: Issue Monitor would actually be a member of the group, but may be conferring with others.
Bill Kasdorf: Issue Monitor would actually be a member of the group, but may be conferring with others. ←
15:54:13 <madi> Ivan: No strong feeling about the naming.
Ivan Herman: No strong feeling about the naming. ←
15:54:34 <madi> Markus: perfectly fine to serve as a channel.
Markus Gylling: perfectly fine to serve as a channel. ←
15:54:45 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:54:53 <ivan> ack JeanKaplansky
Ivan Herman: ack JeanKaplansky ←
15:55:24 <madi> @ Jean . I have those days too...
@ Jean . I have those days too... ←
15:55:32 <JeanKaplansky> q+ I remember!
Jean Kaplansky: q+ I remember! ←
15:55:52 <JeanKaplansky> q+
Jean Kaplansky: q+ ←
15:55:57 <madi> Markus: more threads will be identified in the months to come.
Markus Gylling: more threads will be identified in the months to come. ←
15:56:06 <ivan> q=
Ivan Herman: q= ←
15:56:42 <madi> Markus: Look for new entries, look for expertise, and hopefully can starting moving complete Use Cases
Markus Gylling: Look for new entries, look for expertise, and hopefully can starting moving complete Use Cases ←
15:56:50 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:57:11 <Zakim> -gcapiel
Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel ←
15:57:19 <madi> Jean: with mark up in digital publishing, education and higher ed publishing will be discussed in October that might be of interest.
Jean Kaplansky: with mark up in digital publishing, education and higher ed publishing will be discussed in October that might be of interest. ←
15:57:53 <madi> Jean the EduPub workshop. HTML5, XHTML, we are at the beginning of these markup patterns.
Jean the EduPub workshop. HTML5, XHTML, we are at the beginning of these markup patterns. ←
15:58:09 <madi> Markus: EduPUb conference a good input.
Markus Gylling: EduPUb conference a good input. ←
15:58:21 <madi> Madi, Markus and Jean plan to attend.
Madi, Markus and Jean plan to attend. ←
15:58:28 <madi> Markus: Any other business?
Markus Gylling: Any other business? ←
15:58:37 <gcapiel> Gerardo will be there too
Gerardo Capiel: Gerardo will be there too ←
15:58:52 <madi> Ivan: Please sign up for the China TPAC conference ASAP
Ivan Herman: Please sign up for the China TPAC conference ASAP ←
15:59:01 <azaroth> Thanks Markus and all!
Robert Sanderson: Thanks Markus and all! ←
15:59:07 <madi> Markus: concludes meeting
Markus Gylling: concludes meeting ←
15:59:11 <azaroth> And thanks to Madi for scribing
Robert Sanderson: And thanks to Madi for scribing ←
15:59:13 <karen_> +1 Madi scribing today
Karen Myers: +1 Madi scribing today ←
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