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15:48:00 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc
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15:48:04 <manu> zakim, this will be rdfa
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Unknown manu: zakim, this will be rdfa ←
15:48:04 <Zakim> ok, manu; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, manu; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes ←
15:48:09 <manu> Meeting: RDFa in XHTML Task Force
15:48:14 <manu> Chair: Manu Sporny
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15:48:18 <manu> Scribe: Mark Birbeck
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15:48:30 <manu> Present: Manu_Sporny, Ivan_Herman
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15:48:34 <manu> Regrets: Ben_Adida
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15:49:26 <manu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2010Jan/0063.html
15:49:57 <manu> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-rdfa-minutes.html
15:50:02 <manu> rrsagent, make logs public
Unknown Manu_Sporny: rrsagent, make logs public ←
15:50:05 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
Unknown Manu_Sporny: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:50:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html manu
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15:53:03 <manu> ACTION: Manu to create basic RDFa API document.
ACTION: Manu to create basic RDFa API document. ←
15:53:21 <manu> ACTION: Manu to test CORS support in latest browsers.
ACTION: Manu to test CORS support for Pre-loading prefixes in latest browsers. ←
15:53:55 <manu> s/in latest browsers/for RDFa vocabs in latest browsers/g
15:54:00 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:54:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html manu
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15:54:51 <manu> Present+ Mark_Birbeck
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15:55:57 <ivan> we shall see
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15:56:16 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:56:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html manu
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15:56:46 <markbirbeck> Sure Manu.
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Unknown markbirbeck: Sure Manu. ←
15:56:51 <markbirbeck> Calling in a mo'.
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Unknown markbirbeck: Calling in a mo'. ←
15:57:02 <manu> scribenick: markbirbeck
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(Scribe set to Unknown markbirbeck)
15:58:46 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:58:46 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:58:47 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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15:58:47 <Zakim> +Dialer
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15:58:48 <Zakim> -Dialer
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15:58:53 <ivan> ????
Unknown Ivan_Herman: ???? ←
15:58:54 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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15:58:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Dialer
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15:59:03 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:59:03 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:59:05 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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15:59:06 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:59:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:59:35 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?
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zakim, codes? ←
15:59:35 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, markbirbeck.
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15:59:41 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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zakim, code? ←
15:59:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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15:59:51 <manu> zakim, I am IPcaller
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15:59:51 <Zakim> ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller] ←
16:00:15 <Zakim> + +0208761aaaa
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16:00:25 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aaaa
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zakim, i am aaaa ←
16:00:26 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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16:01:20 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
16:01:20 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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16:01:22 <Zakim> +Steven
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16:01:58 <Steven> zakim, mute me
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Unknown Steven: zakim, mute me ←
16:01:58 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
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16:02:07 <Steven> ack me
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Unknown Steven: ack me ←
16:03:05 <markbirbeck> Topic: Action Items
16:03:19 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-rdfa-minutes.html
Unknown Manu_Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-rdfa-minutes.html ←
16:03:48 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Manu to contact Dan Brickley to discuss Microdata to RDFa mapping.
ACTION: Manu to contact Dan Brickley to discuss Microdata to RDFa mapping. ←
16:03:57 <markbirbeck> --done
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--done ←
16:04:32 <markbirbeck> Dan has been talking to Hixie on WHATWG mailing-list to see what the overlap between Microdata and RDFa is.
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Dan has been talking to Hixie on WHATWG mailing-list to see what the overlap between Microdata and RDFa is. ←
16:05:03 <markbirbeck> There seems to be a feeling that Microdata is at the very least a subset of RDFa.
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There seems to be a feeling that Microdata is at the very least a subset of RDFa. ←
16:05:43 <markbirbeck> It may be possible to create a profile to use XSLT to map from one to the other.
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It may be possible to create a profile to use XSLT to map from one to the other. ←
16:06:04 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142.
ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142. ←
16:06:08 <markbirbeck> --continues
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--continues ←
16:06:30 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142.
ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142. ←
16:06:41 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for @token and @prefix
ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for @token and @prefix ←
16:06:48 <markbirbeck> --continues
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--continues ←
16:06:53 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
16:07:01 <markbirbeck> ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents
ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents ←
16:07:06 <markbirbeck> --continues
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--continues ←
16:07:36 <markbirbeck> ACTION: ShaneM to identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them.
ACTION: ShaneM to identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them. ←
16:07:40 <markbirbeck> --continues
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--continues ←
16:11:36 <manu> zakim, who is making noise?
Unknown Manu_Sporny: zakim, who is making noise? ←
16:11:48 <Zakim> manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (18%), markbirbeck (47%), Ivan (55%)
Zakim IRC Bot: manu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (18%), markbirbeck (47%), Ivan (55%) ←
16:11:49 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/
Unknown Ivan_Herman: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/ ←
16:12:03 <manu> zakim, mute markbirbeck
Unknown Manu_Sporny: zakim, mute markbirbeck ←
16:12:03 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should now be muted ←
16:12:14 <markbirbeck> It's traffic outside.
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It's traffic outside. ←
16:12:24 <markbirbeck> I don't see why I'm echoing though.
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I don't see why I'm echoing though. ←
16:13:16 <markbirbeck> Right. :) Traffic is making noise, but I don't see why it causes echo.
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Right. :) Traffic is making noise, but I don't see why it causes echo. ←
16:17:13 <markbirbeck> great news though. :)
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great news though. :) ←
16:17:37 <markbirbeck> Topic: RDFa Community Updates
16:17:50 <markbirbeck> Manu: Had a chance to read Benji's comments?
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: Had a chance to read Benji's comments? ←
16:18:50 <markbirbeck> ... Benji wrote blog-post that was quite critical of RDFa community.
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... Benji wrote blog-post that was quite critical of RDFa community. ←
16:19:27 <markbirbeck> ... He feels that pushing Microdata is a better option for adoption.
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... He feels that pushing Microdata is a better option for adoption. ←
16:20:06 <markbirbeck> ... His past posts of the years are along much the same lines, that the solution should be a collection of tokens, a la Microformats.
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... His past posts of the years are along much the same lines, that the solution should be a collection of tokens, a la Microformats. ←
16:20:39 <ivan> q+
Unknown Ivan_Herman: q+ ←
16:20:40 <markbirbeck> ... We should take his comments seriously, since he represents an identifiable set of concerns.
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... We should take his comments seriously, since he represents an identifiable set of concerns. ←
16:21:30 <markbirbeck> Ivan: We did discuss the possibility of defining Microdata as a profile of RDFa, and I would be in favour of that.
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Unknown Ivan_Herman: We did discuss the possibility of defining Microdata as a profile of RDFa, and I would be in favour of that. ←
16:21:51 <markbirbeck> ... But this post talks of removing things that it doesn't seem possible to remove, such as @resource.
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... But this post talks of removing things that it doesn't seem possible to remove, such as @resource. ←
16:22:10 <Steven> q+
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Unknown Steven: q+ ←
16:22:11 <markbirbeck> ... He doesn't really give an argument for removal.
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... He doesn't really give an argument for removal. ←
16:22:16 <Steven> ack ivan
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Unknown Steven: ack ivan ←
16:22:43 <markbirbeck> ... Same goes for ranting against CURIEs -- we're working on that and there's not much more we can say.
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... Same goes for ranting against CURIEs -- we're working on that and there's not much more we can say. ←
16:23:06 <markbirbeck> ... The idea that one set of attribute names is better than another is really a matter of faith.
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... The idea that one set of attribute names is better than another is really a matter of faith. ←
16:23:29 <markbirbeck> ... Whilst we don't care that much about the attribute names, a big problem is existing deployments.
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... Whilst we don't care that much about the attribute names, a big problem is existing deployments. ←
16:23:31 <manu> ack steven
Unknown Manu_Sporny: ack steven ←
16:23:32 <markbirbeck> q+
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q+ ←
16:24:00 <markbirbeck> Steven: I've been working on RDFa for at least 7 years, and it's not as if it suddenly popped out of nowhere.
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Unknown Steven: I've been working on RDFa for at least 7 years, and it's not as if it suddenly popped out of nowhere. ←
16:24:10 <markbirbeck> ... It had discussion, use-cases, etc.
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... It had discussion, use-cases, etc. ←
16:24:29 <markbirbeck> ... Microdata comes out of nowhere, but somehow it's presented that RDFa-proponents are in the wrong.
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... Microdata comes out of nowhere, but somehow it's presented that RDFa-proponents are in the wrong. ←
16:24:59 <markbirbeck> ... Appreciate the work of bridge-building, but we have to remember that no-one was asking for Microdata.
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... Appreciate the work of bridge-building, but we have to remember that no-one was asking for Microdata. ←
16:25:05 <ivan> q+
Unknown Ivan_Herman: q+ ←
16:25:11 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
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zakim, unmute me ←
16:25:11 <Zakim> markbirbeck should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should no longer be muted ←
16:25:18 <manu> ack markbirbeck
Unknown Manu_Sporny: ack markbirbeck ←
16:25:32 <Steven> zakim, mute me
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Unknown Steven: zakim, mute me ←
16:25:32 <Zakim> Steven should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven should now be muted ←
16:25:51 <manu> Mark: I missed the call on Microdata profiles - I think I agree with Steven, I'm not sure I understand what the benefit is.
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Unknown Mark: I missed the call on Microdata profiles - I think I agree with Steven, I'm not sure I understand what the benefit is. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:26:30 <manu> Mark: We've been working on this for years and Microdata is in flux - and is progressively getting closer and closer to RDFa.
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Unknown Mark: We've been working on this for years and Microdata is in flux - and is progressively getting closer and closer to RDFa. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:27:00 <manu> Mark: I don't mind the dialog, but we risk damaging deployment if we change all the attribute names.
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Unknown Mark: I don't mind the dialog, but we risk damaging deployment if we change all the attribute names. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:27:12 <manu> Mark: It's sort of religious - one attribute is better than another.
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Unknown Mark: It's sort of religious - one attribute is better than another. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:27:18 <manu> Mark: but there is another way to view this.
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Unknown Mark: but there is another way to view this. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:27:41 <manu> Mark: Changing rel to itemprop may be a bad change - @rel and @rev already has a place in HTML.
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Unknown Mark: Changing rel to itemprop may be a bad change - @rel and @rev already has a place in HTML. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:27:54 <manu> Mark: We've been very careful to re-use pre-existing semantic elements in HTML.
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Unknown Mark: We've been very careful to re-use pre-existing semantic elements in HTML. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:28:49 <manu> Mark: Microdata duplicates @rel and @rev - so there is a problem here - that new attributes are being defined for old concepts.
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Unknown Mark: Microdata duplicates @rel and @rev - so there is a problem here - that new attributes are being defined for old concepts. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:29:28 <Steven> zakim, mute mark
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Unknown Steven: zakim, mute mark ←
16:29:28 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should now be muted ←
16:29:28 <manu> zakim, mute markbirbeck
Unknown Manu_Sporny: zakim, mute markbirbeck ←
16:29:29 <Zakim> markbirbeck was already muted, manu
Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck was already muted, manu ←
16:30:32 <manu> q+ to discuss harm that continued bike-shedding may cause.
Unknown Manu_Sporny: q+ to discuss harm that continued bike-shedding may cause. ←
16:30:41 <manu> zakim, I am [IPcaller]
Unknown Manu_Sporny: zakim, I am [IPcaller] ←
16:30:41 <Zakim> ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, manu, I now associate you with [IPcaller] ←
16:30:49 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Changing attribute names is out of the question.
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Unknown Ivan_Herman: Changing attribute names is out of the question. ←
16:30:51 <manu> zakim, who is on the queue
Unknown Manu_Sporny: zakim, who is on the queue ←
16:30:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the queue', manu
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the queue', manu ←
16:30:55 <manu> zakim, who is on the queue?
Unknown Manu_Sporny: zakim, who is on the queue? ←
16:30:55 <Zakim> I see ivan, [IPcaller] on the speaker queue
Zakim IRC Bot: I see ivan, [IPcaller] on the speaker queue ←
16:31:07 <manu> zakim, I am +IPcaller
Unknown Manu_Sporny: zakim, I am +IPcaller ←
16:31:07 <Zakim> sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '+IPcaller'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, manu, I do not see a party named '+IPcaller' ←
16:31:14 <markbirbeck> ... On the other hand I don't mind about building bridges.
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... On the other hand I don't mind about building bridges. ←
16:31:26 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
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Unknown Steven: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
16:31:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, [IPcaller], markbirbeck (muted), Steven (muted), ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, [IPcaller], markbirbeck (muted), Steven (muted), ShaneM ←
16:31:32 <Steven> zakim IP is Manu
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Unknown Steven: zakim IP is Manu ←
16:31:37 <Steven> zakim, IP is Manu
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Unknown Steven: zakim, IP is Manu ←
16:31:37 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named 'IP'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I do not recognize a party named 'IP' ←
16:31:47 <Steven> zakim, [IP is manu
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Unknown Steven: zakim, [IP is manu ←
16:31:47 <Zakim> +manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←
16:31:51 <Steven> q?
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Unknown Steven: q? ←
16:31:58 <ivan> ack ivan
Unknown Ivan_Herman: ack ivan ←
16:32:09 <Steven> ack [
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Unknown Steven: ack [ ←
16:32:09 <Zakim> [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss harm that continued bike-shedding may cause.
Zakim IRC Bot: [IPcaller], you wanted to discuss harm that continued bike-shedding may cause. ←
16:32:29 <markbirbeck> Manu: I'm increasingly concerned about discussions with people like Wikipedia.
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: I'm increasingly concerned about discussions with people like Wikipedia. ←
16:33:03 <markbirbeck> ... The problem was that although we know the background to Microdata popping up from nowhere, the outside world doesn't.
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... The problem was that although we know the background to Microdata popping up from nowhere, the outside world doesn't. ←
16:33:28 <markbirbeck> ... They just see a 'fight' going on.
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... They just see a 'fight' going on. ←
16:33:39 <markbirbeck> ... I think it's harming adoption.
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... I think it's harming adoption. ←
16:34:52 <markbirbeck> ... If others implement a Microdata API in the browser, then that could affect adoption.
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... If others implement a Microdata API in the browser, then that could affect adoption. ←
16:35:30 <markbirbeck> q+
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q+ ←
16:36:09 <manu> ack markbirbeck
Unknown Manu_Sporny: ack markbirbeck ←
16:37:49 <manu> Mark: I don't know if a GRDDL-approach, mapping Microdata to RDFa would work... we've had that discussion before.
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Unknown Mark: I don't know if a GRDDL-approach, mapping Microdata to RDFa would work... we've had that discussion before. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:38:13 <manu> Mark: I think we should focus on RDFa API and getting RDFa out there more.
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Unknown Mark: I think we should focus on RDFa API and getting RDFa out there more. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:38:32 <ShaneM> I don't think the transform can be isomorphic.
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Unknown ShaneM: I don't think the transform can be isomorphic. ←
16:38:33 <ivan> q+
Unknown Ivan_Herman: q+ ←
16:38:42 <manu> Mark: RDFa and Microdata are fundamentally not equal.
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Unknown Mark: RDFa and Microdata are fundamentally not equal. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:39:20 <manu> Mark: This is the same thing that happened with Microformats - RDFa kept going and I think Microformats are coming to an end soon.
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Unknown Mark: This is the same thing that happened with Microformats - RDFa kept going and I think Microformats are coming to an end soon. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:39:36 <manu> ack ivan
Unknown Manu_Sporny: ack ivan ←
16:39:38 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me
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zakim, mute me ←
16:39:38 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should now be muted ←
16:39:57 <manu> q+
Unknown Manu_Sporny: q+ ←
16:39:57 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Wiki would be a good place to start on some of these ideas.
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Unknown Ivan_Herman: Wiki would be a good place to start on some of these ideas. ←
16:40:50 <markbirbeck> ... (That was response to Mark saying that we should get on and document some of our ideas on RDFa API.)
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... (That was response to Mark saying that we should get on and document some of our ideas on RDFa API.) ←
16:40:52 <manu> +1
Unknown Manu_Sporny: +1 ←
16:41:16 <markbirbeck> ... If as Mark says, that RDFa is superior to Microdata, then we should be explaining this.
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... If as Mark says, that RDFa is superior to Microdata, then we should be explaining this. ←
16:42:15 <ShaneM> pre-defined prefixes simplifies immediately
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Unknown ShaneM: pre-defined prefixes simplifies immediately ←
16:42:18 <manu> ack manu
Unknown Manu_Sporny: ack manu ←
16:42:24 <markbirbeck> ... If someone doesn't want the full functionality of RDFa it should be clear how to use it.
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... If someone doesn't want the full functionality of RDFa it should be clear how to use it. ←
16:43:12 <markbirbeck> Shane would like it minuted that he is paying attention.
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Shane would like it minuted that he is paying attention. ←
16:43:49 <manu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2010Jan/0059.html
Unknown Manu_Sporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2010Jan/0059.html ←
16:43:50 <markbirbeck> Topic: RDFa vocabs
16:44:24 <markbirbeck> Sorry...was foolishly following previous minutes!
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Sorry...was foolishly following previous minutes! ←
16:44:38 <ivan> q+
Unknown Ivan_Herman: q+ ←
16:44:54 <manu> s/RDFa vocabs/Pre-loading prefixes/g
16:44:58 <markbirbeck> Topic: RDFa prefix pre-loading
16:45:18 <markbirbeck> Ivan: At a theoretical and technical level, these things are not totally unrelated.
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Unknown Ivan_Herman: At a theoretical and technical level, these things are not totally unrelated. ←
16:45:44 <ShaneM> +1
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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←
16:45:54 <markbirbeck> ... They shouldn't need to be presented as being distinct.
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... They shouldn't need to be presented as being distinct. ←
16:45:59 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
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zakim, unmute me ←
16:45:59 <Zakim> markbirbeck should no longer be muted
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16:46:27 <manu> Mark: One of the things on the vocab front is this gradual rejection that follow-your-nose is everything.
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Unknown Mark: One of the things on the vocab front is this gradual rejection that follow-your-nose is everything. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:46:57 <manu> Mark: The idea that everything must be able to be worked out on the fly by default - you need to support follow-your-nose
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Unknown Mark: The idea that everything must be able to be worked out on the fly by default - you need to support follow-your-nose [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:47:15 <manu> Mark: But saying that stuff is predefined isn't necessarily a bad thing - we shouldn't be scared of doing that.
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Unknown Mark: But saying that stuff is predefined isn't necessarily a bad thing - we shouldn't be scared of doing that. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:47:54 <manu> Mark: This is where Microdata and Microformats falls down - they don't have the follow-your-nose mechanism.
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Unknown Mark: This is where Microdata and Microformats falls down - they don't have the follow-your-nose mechanism. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:47:59 <manu> Mark: RDFa does.
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Unknown Mark: RDFa does. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:48:12 <manu> Mark: as long as you can ensure that the two co-exist, then why not pre-load prefixes?
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Unknown Mark: as long as you can ensure that the two co-exist, then why not pre-load prefixes? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:48:42 <manu> Ivan: Then we largely agree, right?
Unknown Ivan_Herman: Then we largely agree, right? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:49:19 <manu> Mark: The downside to this follow-your-nose is that it is used as an argument against pre-defined vocabs.
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Unknown Mark: The downside to this follow-your-nose is that it is used as an argument against pre-defined vocabs. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:49:43 <Steven> zakim, mute mark
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Unknown Steven: zakim, mute mark ←
16:49:43 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
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16:49:48 <manu> Ivan: Google uses the same mechanism... but it has been said all along that a processor would cache a bunch of these namespaces.
Unknown Ivan_Herman: Google uses the same mechanism... but it has been said all along that a processor would cache a bunch of these namespaces. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:49:59 <manu> q+
Unknown Manu_Sporny: q+ ←
16:50:15 <manu> Ivan: caching is a fundamental part of the web.
Unknown Ivan_Herman: caching is a fundamental part of the web. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:50:21 <manu> ack manu
Unknown Manu_Sporny: ack manu ←
16:50:24 <markbirbeck> Ivan: Not disimilar to an editor caching DTDs.
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Unknown Ivan_Herman: Not disimilar to an editor caching DTDs. ←
16:50:26 <ShaneM> I want to do this RIGHT NOW
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Unknown ShaneM: I want to do this RIGHT NOW ←
16:51:17 <markbirbeck> Manu: But which vocabularies would we put into the spec? Which ones have longevity?
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: But which vocabularies would we put into the spec? Which ones have longevity? ←
16:51:28 <markbirbeck> ... Top 20 from CC?
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... Top 20 from prefixcc? ←
16:51:32 <markbirbeck> q+
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q+ ←
16:51:40 <markbirbeck> s/CC/prefixcc/
16:51:40 <ivan> ack ivan
Unknown Ivan_Herman: ack ivan ←
16:51:55 <ShaneM> q+ to talk about the process for picking vocabs
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Unknown ShaneM: q+ to talk about the process for picking vocabs ←
16:52:13 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
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zakim, unmute me ←
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16:52:14 <manu> ack mark
Unknown Manu_Sporny: ack mark ←
16:52:31 <manu> Mark: I think we shouldn't be scared of doing this - not do this now.
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Unknown Mark: I think we shouldn't be scared of doing this - not do this now. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:52:50 <manu> Mark: We should certainly think all of this stuff through... there isn't a principle that we shouldn't have to pre-define things.
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Unknown Mark: We should certainly think all of this stuff through... there isn't a principle that we shouldn't have to pre-define things. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:53:08 <markbirbeck> <html>
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<html> ←
16:53:08 <markbirbeck> <head profile="http://rdf.data-vocabulary.org/profile/2009">
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<head profile="http://rdf.data-vocabulary.org/profile/2009"> ←
16:53:08 <markbirbeck> ...
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... ←
16:53:09 <markbirbeck> </head>
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</head> ←
16:53:09 <markbirbeck> <body>
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<body> ←
16:53:10 <markbirbeck> <div typeof="Person">
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<div typeof="Person"> ←
16:53:11 <markbirbeck> <span property="name">John Smith</span>
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<span property="name">John Smith</span> ←
16:53:13 <markbirbeck> <span property="nickname">Smithy</span>
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<span property="nickname">Smithy</span> ←
16:53:15 <markbirbeck> <span property="url">http://www.example.com</span>
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<span property="url">http://www.example.com</span> ←
16:53:17 <markbirbeck> <span property="affiliation">ACME</span>
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<span property="affiliation">ACME</span> ←
16:53:19 <markbirbeck> <span rel="address">
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<span rel="address"> ←
16:53:21 <markbirbeck> <span property="locality">Albuquerque</span>
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<span property="locality">Albuquerque</span> ←
16:53:23 <markbirbeck> </span>
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</span> ←
16:53:25 <markbirbeck> <span property="title">Engineer</span>
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<span property="title">Engineer</span> ←
16:53:27 <markbirbeck> <a href="http://darryl-blog.example.com/" rel="friend">Darryl</a>
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<a href="http://darryl-blog.example.com/" rel="friend">Darryl</a> ←
16:53:29 <markbirbeck> </div>
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</div> ←
16:53:31 <markbirbeck> </body>
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</body> ←
16:53:33 <markbirbeck> </html>
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16:54:18 <manu> Mark: This approach might be better - since it's encapsulated in a @profile attribute.
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Unknown Mark: This approach might be better - since it's encapsulated in a @profile attribute. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:54:39 <manu> Mark: That is better than Microformats and it's scalable.
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Unknown Mark: That is better than Microformats and it's scalable. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:54:49 <Steven> zakim, mute mark
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Unknown Steven: zakim, mute mark ←
16:54:49 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: markbirbeck should now be muted ←
16:55:16 <manu> unmute, mark
Unknown Manu_Sporny: unmute, mark ←
16:55:16 <Steven> ack mark
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Unknown Steven: ack mark ←
16:56:44 <manu> Mark: This would allow RDFa processors to understand the URL to mean something special.
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Unknown Mark: This would allow RDFa processors to understand the URL to mean something special. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:57:17 <manu> Mark: It's a key to tell the authors that their data would be processed in a particular way.
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Unknown Mark: It's a key to tell the authors that their data would be processed in a particular way. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:57:45 <ivan> zakim, mute mark
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16:57:45 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
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16:58:03 <manu> Mark: Maybe we should defer the pre-loaded prefixes until we can have this discussion
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Unknown Mark: Maybe we should defer the pre-loaded prefixes until we can have this discussion [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Manu_Sporny ] ←
16:58:19 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:58:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html manu
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16:58:22 <manu> q+
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16:58:24 <markbirbeck> Mark: Not intending to take the discussion in other direction, just trying to point out that there may be something even better than fixing prefix values.
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Unknown Mark: Not intending to take the discussion in other direction, just trying to point out that there may be something even better than fixing prefix values. ←
16:58:28 <manu> ack ShaneM
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16:58:29 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to talk about the process for picking vocabs
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16:59:08 <markbirbeck> Shane: But people forget to use @profile, or they don't have access to <head>, etc.
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Unknown Shane: But people forget to use @profile, or they don't have access to <head>, etc. ←
16:59:10 <ivan> q+
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16:59:15 <manu> ack manu
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16:59:30 <manu> +1 to Shane's comment
Unknown Manu_Sporny: +1 to Shane's comment ←
16:59:33 <markbirbeck> ... So having the ability to use "dc" or "foaf" without having to define it, would be very useful.
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... So having the ability to use "dc" or "foaf" without having to define it, would be very useful. ←
16:59:43 <markbirbeck> ... Let's just do this now.
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... Let's just do this now. ←
16:59:53 <ShaneM> rule one for picking prefixes. vocabs defined by the W3C are predefined.
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Unknown ShaneM: rule one for picking prefixes. vocabs defined by the W3C are predefined. ←
17:00:23 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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17:00:25 <markbirbeck> Bye everyone.
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Bye everyone. ←
17:00:25 <Zakim> -Ivan
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17:00:30 <Zakim> -Steven
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17:00:30 <Zakim> -manu
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17:00:31 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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17:00:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, [IPcaller], +0208761aaaa, markbirbeck, Steven, ShaneM, manu
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17:00:39 <manu> me Mark - I'll clean up the minutes
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17:00:47 <markbirbeck> Great...thanks Manu.
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Great...thanks Manu. ←
17:00:48 <manu> zakim, draft minutes
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17:00:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', manu
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17:00:54 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:00:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html manu
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17:01:06 <markbirbeck> Note that omitting @profile is a red herring.
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Note that omitting @profile is a red herring. ←
17:01:17 <manu> how so?
Unknown Manu_Sporny: how so? ←
17:01:27 <markbirbeck> People raise it, and say that no-one ever used @profile in Microformats.
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People raise it, and say that no-one ever used @profile in Microformats. ←
17:01:30 <markbirbeck> That's true.
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That's true. ←
17:01:36 <manu> ahh, yes
Unknown Manu_Sporny: ahh, yes ←
17:01:38 <manu> I see your point
Unknown Manu_Sporny: I see your point ←
17:01:46 <markbirbeck> But in RDFa if you miss out all the namespaces you're scuppered anyway.
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But in RDFa if you miss out all the namespaces you're scuppered anyway. ←
17:01:57 <manu> The reason they didn't use it was because it had no effect on processing.
Unknown Manu_Sporny: The reason they didn't use it was because it had no effect on processing. ←
17:02:00 <markbirbeck> So there's already a basic requirement on authors to add something.
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So there's already a basic requirement on authors to add something. ←
17:02:05 <markbirbeck> Yes, exactly.
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Yes, exactly. ←
17:02:33 <markbirbeck> But if you miss out the Google namespace in your RDFa, you won't get indexed properly.
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But if you miss out the Google namespace in your RDFa, you won't get indexed properly. ←
17:02:40 <markbirbeck> Same in Yahoo!.
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Same in Yahoo!. ←
17:03:03 <markbirbeck> So all we're saying is instead of adding 10 URIs, just add one.
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So all we're saying is instead of adding 10 URIs, just add one. ←
17:03:04 <manu> The #seo people will definitely make a point of it
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17:03:15 <markbirbeck> A point of getting it right?
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A point of getting it right? ←
17:03:19 <manu> yes
Unknown Manu_Sporny: yes ←
17:03:23 <markbirbeck> Exactly.
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Exactly. ←
17:03:38 <markbirbeck> Anyone interested in providing information for some consumer will want to get it right.
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Anyone interested in providing information for some consumer will want to get it right. ←
17:03:55 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:03:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html manu
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17:04:01 <ShaneM> but....
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Unknown ShaneM: but.... ←
17:04:23 <manu> Present+ Shane_McCarron, Steven_Pemberton
Unknown Manu_Sporny: Present+ Shane_McCarron, Steven_Pemberton ←
17:04:24 <markbirbeck> Control over <head> is a fair point though.
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Control over <head> is a fair point though. ←
17:04:29 <markbirbeck> Shane is right there.
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Shane is right there. ←
17:04:31 <ShaneM> profile goes on the html element. or the head. I can never remember. xmlns can go anywhere. and we had a requirement that you need to be able to do this stuff anywhere.
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Unknown ShaneM: profile goes on the html element. or the head. I can never remember. xmlns can go anywhere. and we had a requirement that you need to be able to do this stuff anywhere. ←
17:04:32 <manu> true
Unknown Manu_Sporny: true ←
17:04:36 <ShaneM> thanks
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Unknown ShaneM: thanks ←
17:04:42 <markbirbeck> Yes, I agree with you there.
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Yes, I agree with you there. ←
17:04:55 <markbirbeck> But we also discussed having <div profile="...">
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But we also discussed having <div profile="..."> ←
17:05:05 <markbirbeck> That would be a nice feature anyway.
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That would be a nice feature anyway. ←
17:05:30 <manu> scribenick+ manu
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17:05:34 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:05:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-minutes.html manu
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17:29:56 <manu> rrsagent, bye
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17:29:56 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to create basic RDFa API document. [1]
ACTION: Manu to create basic RDFa API document. [1] ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T15-53-03
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17:29:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to test CORS support in latest browsers. [2]
ACTION: Manu to test CORS support in latest browsers. [2] ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T15-53-21
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17:29:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to contact Dan Brickley to discuss Microdata to RDFa mapping. [3]
ACTION: Manu to contact Dan Brickley to discuss Microdata to RDFa mapping. [3] ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T16-03-48
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17:29:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142. [4]
ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142. [4] ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T16-06-04
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T16-06-04 ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142. [5]
ACTION: Manu to get in touch with LibXML developers about TC 142. [5] ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T16-06-30
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17:29:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for @token and @prefix [6]
ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for @token and @prefix [6] ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T16-06-41
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17:29:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents [7]
ACTION: Mark to generate spec text for pulling in external vocabulary documents [7] ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T16-07-01
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17:29:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ShaneM to identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them. [8]
ACTION: ShaneM to identify the requirements for html2ps and see about getting reSpec to support them. [8] ←
17:29:56 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/28-rdfa-irc#T16-07-36
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17:29:59 <manu> zakim, bye
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