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15:54:41 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa
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Unknown Ralph: zakim, this will be rdfa ←
15:54:41 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes ←
15:55:11 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
15:55:14 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jan/0088.html
15:55:18 <Ralph> Chair: Manu
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15:55:39 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2009-01-08
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2009-01-08 ←
15:55:47 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please make record public ←
15:56:05 <Ralph> Regrets: Ben
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15:57:28 <msporny> Is there any way we can remove this "lisa@ubaccess.com" person from RDFa - her autoresponder is spamming anybody that posts to the RDFa TF mailing list
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Unknown msporny: Is there any way we can remove this "lisa@ubaccess.com" person from RDFa - her autoresponder is spamming anybody that posts to the RDFa TF mailing list ←
15:58:19 <Ralph> there's always a way ...
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Unknown Ralph: there's always a way ... ←
15:58:23 <msporny> :)
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Unknown msporny: :) ←
15:59:10 <msporny> heh
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Unknown msporny: heh ←
15:59:13 <Ralph> removed.
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Unknown Ralph: removed. ←
15:59:18 <msporny> thanks!
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Unknown msporny: thanks! ←
15:59:38 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started ←
15:59:44 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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16:00:08 <Zakim> +Ralph
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16:00:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:00:44 <msporny> zakim, I am +IPcaller
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Unknown msporny: zakim, I am +IPcaller ←
16:00:49 <Zakim> sorry, msporny, I do not see a party named '+IPcaller'
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16:00:50 <msporny> zakim, I am +[IPcaller]
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Unknown msporny: zakim, I am +[IPcaller] ←
16:00:59 <Zakim> sorry, msporny, I do not see a party named '+[IPcaller]'
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16:01:15 <msporny> zakim, I am [IPcaller]
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Unknown msporny: zakim, I am [IPcaller] ←
16:01:19 <Zakim> ok, msporny, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, msporny, I now associate you with [IPcaller] ←
16:03:20 <Ralph> Topic: Action Review
16:03:28 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph
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16:03:39 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, code? ←
16:03:56 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
16:04:03 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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Unknown Ralph: [CONTINUES] ACTION: fix the .htaccess for the XHTML namespace [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
16:04:12 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Manu to create TC to test @resource="[]" does not set object based on TC 123. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
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Unknown Ralph: [CONTINUES] ACTION: Manu to create TC to test @resource="[]" does not set object based on TC 123. [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←
16:04:27 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Manu to look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Dec/0037.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
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Unknown Ralph: [CONTINUES] ACTION: Manu to look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Dec/0037.html [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←
16:04:37 <Ralph> Manu: first part of the comment was a misunderstanding of the test
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Unknown Manu: first part of the comment was a misunderstanding of the test [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:04:46 <Ralph> ... I explained how we do negative results in the test suite
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Unknown Ralph: ... I explained how we do negative results in the test suite ←
16:05:10 <Ralph> ... second part of the comment came from use of old saxon parser
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Unknown Ralph: ... second part of the comment came from use of old saxon parser ←
16:05:54 <Ralph> ... there is a choice of which RFC to follow and they result in different xpath URIs
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Unknown Ralph: ... there is a choice of which RFC to follow and they result in different xpath URIs ←
16:06:23 <Ralph> ... it's a strange issue with XSLT-based implementations
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Unknown Ralph: ... it's a strange issue with XSLT-based implementations ←
16:06:34 <Ralph> Shane: does the XSLT spec reference the wrong thing?
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Unknown Shane: does the XSLT spec reference the wrong thing? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:06:46 <Ralph> Manu: no, it gives a choice of RFCs
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Unknown Manu: no, it gives a choice of RFCs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:06:56 <Ralph> ... I need to check the XSLT spec more closely
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Unknown Ralph: ... I need to check the XSLT spec more closely ←
16:07:22 <Ralph> ... Sergey said he'd talked with the implementor and there isn't yet an updated implementation that he could use
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Unknown Ralph: ... Sergey said he'd talked with the implementor and there isn't yet an updated implementation that he could use ←
16:07:43 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jan/0092.html
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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jan/0092.html ←
16:08:09 <Ralph> ^Re: Problematic test cases in the RDFa test suite [Manu 2009-01-22]
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Unknown Ralph: ^Re: Problematic test cases in the RDFa test suite [Manu 2009-01-22] ←
16:08:16 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add public-rdfa examples to wiki and think of slightly improved top-level organization [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add public-rdfa examples to wiki and think of slightly improved top-level organization [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
16:08:23 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←
16:08:35 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03] ←
16:08:47 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04]
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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←
16:08:55 <Ralph> Manu: I've written to Jamie
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Unknown Manu: I've written to Jamie [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:09:11 <Ralph> ... he hasn't responded, so I propose to close it for now
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Unknown Ralph: ... he hasn't responded, so I propose to close it for now ←
16:09:49 <Ralph> s/[DONE] ACTION: Manu to look/[CONTINUES] ACTION: Manu to look/
16:10:04 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←
16:10:17 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
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Unknown Ralph: [WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
16:10:29 <Ralph> Manu: I've spent some time on this and it looks like a lot of work
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Unknown Manu: I've spent some time on this and it looks like a lot of work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:10:38 <Ralph> ... Slashdot doesn't generate clean HTML4
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Unknown Ralph: ... Slashdot doesn't generate clean HTML4 ←
16:10:44 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
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16:10:56 <markbirbeck> sorry I'm late....!
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Unknown markbirbeck: sorry I'm late....! ←
16:10:56 <Ralph> ... I don't want to have to fix all their templates; it will be a large patch that they may not accept
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Unknown Ralph: ... I don't want to have to fix all their templates; it will be a large patch that they may not accept ←
16:11:15 <Ralph> ... I won't have the time to generate this massive patch
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Unknown Ralph: ... I won't have the time to generate this massive patch ←
16:11:32 <Ralph> ... would need more buy-in from Slashdot
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Unknown Ralph: ... would need more buy-in from Slashdot ←
16:11:42 <Ralph> ... I think I've done as much as I can
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Unknown Ralph: ... I think I've done as much as I can ←
16:12:04 <Ralph> s/[PENDING]/[WITHDRAWN]
16:12:20 <Ralph> Shane: Slashdot is an interesting community but it doesn't really affect the broader community
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Unknown Shane: Slashdot is an interesting community but it doesn't really affect the broader community [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:12:38 <Ralph> ... Drupal on the other hand would affect a broader community and makes more sense for our attention
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Unknown Ralph: ... Drupal on the other hand would affect a broader community and makes more sense for our attention ←
16:12:47 <Ralph> Manu: Wordpress would be another likely candidate
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Unknown Manu: Wordpress would be another likely candidate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:13:04 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←
16:13:22 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/18-rdfa-irc]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark to review reasoning on setting explicit about="" on HEAD and BODY [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/18-rdfa-irc] ←
16:13:26 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
16:13:36 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←
16:13:44 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←
16:13:49 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←
16:14:14 <Ralph> Topic: Feedback on RDFa from WHATWG/HTML5
16:14:45 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jan/0075.html Discussion with Ian and Henri about HTML5+RDFa (part 1/2) [Manu 2009-01-19]
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jan/0075.html Discussion with Ian and Henri about HTML5+RDFa (part 1/2) [Manu 2009-01-19] ←
16:15:10 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jan/0076.html Discussion with Ian and Henri about HTML5+RDFa (part 2/2) [Manu 2009-01-19]
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jan/0076.html Discussion with Ian and Henri about HTML5+RDFa (part 2/2) [Manu 2009-01-19] ←
16:15:18 <Ralph> Manu: there was less opposition than I'd expected
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Unknown Manu: there was less opposition than I'd expected [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:15:26 <Ralph> ... but demonstrated use cases are important
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Unknown Ralph: ... but demonstrated use cases are important ←
16:15:43 <Ralph> ... may need to assume less familiarity with RDF when describing the use cases
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Unknown Ralph: ... may need to assume less familiarity with RDF when describing the use cases ←
16:17:13 <Ralph> ... details of RDFa aren't familiar to most folk I've talked with; CURIE seemed to trigger most concerns
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Unknown Ralph: ... details of RDFa aren't familiar to most folk I've talked with; CURIE seemed to trigger most concerns ←
16:17:41 <Ralph> ... Henri Sivonen said he'd be willing to accept RDFa if it dropped CURIEs
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Unknown Ralph: ... Henri Sivonen said he'd be willing to accept RDFa if it dropped CURIEs ←
16:18:05 <Ralph> ... other concerns about @rel and @rev unrelated to RDFa
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Unknown Ralph: ... other concerns about @rel and @rev unrelated to RDFa ←
16:18:08 <markbirbeck> http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2009/01/rdfa-means-extensibility
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Unknown markbirbeck: http://webbackplane.com/mark-birbeck/blog/2009/01/rdfa-means-extensibility ←
16:18:23 <Ralph> ... @rev historically misused so some feeling that it should be removed from HTML5
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Unknown Ralph: ... @rev historically misused so some feeling that it should be removed from HTML5 ←
16:18:27 <Ralph> Shane: next step?
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Unknown Shane: next step? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:18:38 <Ralph> Manu: I thought I'd add "Why" to each use case
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Unknown Manu: I thought I'd add "Why" to each use case [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:19:02 <Ralph> ... present the use cases with Why to WHATWG
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Unknown Ralph: ... present the use cases with Why to WHATWG ←
16:19:13 <Ralph> ... Ian H said he'd take a thorough look at this
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Unknown Ralph: ... Ian H said he'd take a thorough look at this ←
16:19:38 <Ralph> ... I have already started adding Whys to the wiki
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Unknown Ralph: ... I have already started adding Whys to the wiki ←
16:19:59 <Ralph> Mark: I wrote a blog post about some of these topics
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Unknown Mark: I wrote a blog post about some of these topics [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:20:24 <Ralph> ... I mention a few bits of history, back to an event in 2004
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Unknown Ralph: ... I mention a few bits of history, back to an event in 2004 ←
16:20:45 <Ralph> ... crossing-over with Accessibility and device independence/content adaptation
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Unknown Ralph: ... crossing-over with Accessibility and device independence/content adaptation ←
16:21:01 <Ralph> ... I did a presentation on behalf of the XHTML WG talking about @role
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Unknown Ralph: ... I did a presentation on behalf of the XHTML WG talking about @role ←
16:21:31 <Ralph> ... other presenters proposed extensions to HTML for content adaptation
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Unknown Ralph: ... other presenters proposed extensions to HTML for content adaptation ←
16:21:51 <Ralph> ... they liked the direction the XHTML WG was taking
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Unknown Ralph: ... they liked the direction the XHTML WG was taking ←
16:22:16 <Ralph> ... these supporters haven't been writing to the HTML WG list
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Unknown Ralph: ... these supporters haven't been writing to the HTML WG list ←
16:23:51 <Ralph> ... but the fundamental philosophical difference over extensibility between the two communities may be the overriding factor
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Unknown Ralph: ... but the fundamental philosophical difference over extensibility between the two communities may be the overriding factor ←
16:24:14 <Ralph> Manu: we had the same discussion in Microformats about RDFa
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Unknown Manu: we had the same discussion in Microformats about RDFa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:24:37 <Ralph> ... some, like Toby, have moved to RDFa; not all are yet posting
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Unknown Ralph: ... some, like Toby, have moved to RDFa; not all are yet posting ←
16:24:55 <Ralph> ... discussion allows people to see the arguments and make up their own minds
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Unknown Ralph: ... discussion allows people to see the arguments and make up their own minds ←
16:25:10 <Ralph> Mark: thanks for continuing to pursue this
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Unknown Mark: thanks for continuing to pursue this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:26:03 <Ralph> Manu: so I'll continue on my project to add Why to each use case and then point the HTML WG / WHATWG at this
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Unknown Manu: so I'll continue on my project to add Why to each use case and then point the HTML WG / WHATWG at this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:26:40 <Ralph> Topic: Finalize behavior of @prefix
16:27:16 <Ralph> Manu: we've talked about splitting @prefix from the token specification mechanism
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Unknown Manu: we've talked about splitting @prefix from the token specification mechanism [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:27:25 <Ralph> ... Ivan says he sees @prefix as an analog to @xmlns
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Unknown Ralph: ... Ivan says he sees @prefix as an analog to @xmlns ←
16:27:47 <Ralph> ... Mark has suggested that where @prefix is used (HEAD or BODY) could be significant
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Unknown Ralph: ... Mark has suggested that where @prefix is used (HEAD or BODY) could be significant ←
16:28:14 <Ralph> Mark: one of the problems with the simple analog is that this forces us into the simple hierarchical model
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Unknown Mark: one of the problems with the simple analog is that this forces us into the simple hierarchical model [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:28:30 <Ralph> ... a long time ago there were discussions with (Reuters?) about using RDFa
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Unknown Ralph: ... a long time ago there were discussions with (Reuters?) about using RDFa ←
16:29:02 <Ralph> ... one of their use cases was documents, especially small ones -- consider a twitter post -- that may require lots of namespace declarations
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Unknown Ralph: ... one of their use cases was documents, especially small ones -- consider a twitter post -- that may require lots of namespace declarations ←
16:29:11 <Ralph> ... would like an xinclude-like mechanism
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Unknown Ralph: ... would like an xinclude-like mechanism ←
16:29:24 <Ralph> ... there's currently no way to use xinclude for this
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Unknown Ralph: ... there's currently no way to use xinclude for this ←
16:29:34 <Ralph> ... so simple analogue doesn't offer a solution
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Unknown Ralph: ... so simple analogue doesn't offer a solution ←
16:30:20 <Ralph> ... I suggest that people may consider documents to be like programming languages; HEAD is an initialization section
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Unknown Ralph: ... I suggest that people may consider documents to be like programming languages; HEAD is an initialization section ←
16:30:48 <Ralph> ... an alternative is to say that prefix declarations _only_ are done externally; @profile works like this
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Unknown Ralph: ... an alternative is to say that prefix declarations _only_ are done externally; @profile works like this ←
16:30:58 <Ralph> ... so the declarations apply to the entire document
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Unknown Ralph: ... so the declarations apply to the entire document ←
16:31:04 <Ralph> Shane: with local overrides if you want
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Unknown Shane: with local overrides if you want [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:31:13 <Ralph> ... a hybrid of @xmlns and @prefix
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Unknown Ralph: ... a hybrid of @xmlns and @prefix ←
16:31:27 <Ralph> Mark: but if we insist on @profile then we don't have local overrides
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Unknown Mark: but if we insist on @profile then we don't have local overrides [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:31:44 <Ralph> ... and if we say @profile is equivalent to @xmlns then we're locked-in to a strict hierarchy
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Unknown Ralph: ... and if we say @profile is equivalent to @xmlns then we're locked-in to a strict hierarchy ←
16:31:55 <Ralph> Shane: I think we can divorce @prefix from this other problem
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Unknown Shane: I think we can divorce @prefix from this other problem [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:32:21 <Ralph> ... we could have another set of rules, independent of @prefix and @xmlns, for loading a set of declarations
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Unknown Ralph: ... we could have another set of rules, independent of @prefix and @xmlns, for loading a set of declarations ←
16:32:41 <Ralph> Manu: I think we can separate these issues
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Unknown Manu: I think we can separate these issues [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:33:10 <Ralph> ... if we were to permit @profile on any element, we'd get the ability to pull in from anywhere
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Unknown Ralph: ... if we were to permit @profile on any element, we'd get the ability to pull in from anywhere ←
16:33:37 <Ralph> Shane: so <head @profile> could apply to the entire document and @profile on any other element applies only locally?
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Unknown Shane: so <head @profile> could apply to the entire document and @profile on any other element applies only locally? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:33:55 <Ralph> Manu: makes sense to me that HEAD applies to the whole document but I haven't really thought about this deeply
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Unknown Manu: makes sense to me that HEAD applies to the whole document but I haven't really thought about this deeply [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:34:07 <Ralph> Mark: I think we can make this backwards compatible
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Unknown Mark: I think we can make this backwards compatible [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:34:41 <Ralph> ... although @profile is not currently well-defined in HTML, it _does_ say the URI is used with the values of @rel and @rev
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Unknown Ralph: ... although @profile is not currently well-defined in HTML, it _does_ say the URI is used with the values of @rel and @rev ←
16:35:10 <Ralph> ... this implies that the profile does apply to the body as well as the head
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Unknown Ralph: ... this implies that the profile does apply to the body as well as the head ←
16:35:27 <Ralph> ... consider CSS rules; the stylesheet is loaded in the head and applies throughout the body
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Unknown Ralph: ... consider CSS rules; the stylesheet is loaded in the head and applies throughout the body ←
16:35:47 <Ralph> ... we can also consider the form of the external document; my preference is for it to be an RDFa document
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Unknown Ralph: ... we can also consider the form of the external document; my preference is for it to be an RDFa document ←
16:36:08 <Ralph> ... it could be just a collection of XMLNS declarations
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Unknown Ralph: ... it could be just a collection of XMLNS declarations ←
16:36:25 <Ralph> ... could propose that the triples loaded from @profile go into a separate graph
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Unknown Ralph: ... could propose that the triples loaded from @profile go into a separate graph ←
16:36:46 <Ralph> ... so there's the triples from the base document and a separate graph that helps you interpret the base document
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Unknown Ralph: ... so there's the triples from the base document and a separate graph that helps you interpret the base document ←
16:37:01 <Ralph> ... a graph that helps you parse itself is a bit Goedel-esque :)
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Unknown Ralph: ... a graph that helps you parse itself is a bit Goedel-esque :) ←
16:37:28 <Ralph> ... it feels to me that things that help you parse the current document should be a bit out-of-band
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Unknown Ralph: ... it feels to me that things that help you parse the current document should be a bit out-of-band ←
16:37:42 <Ralph> ... I definitely don't think <meta @rel='profile'> is a good idea
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Unknown Ralph: ... I definitely don't think <meta @rel='profile'> is a good idea ←
16:38:19 <Ralph> Manu: restricting ourselves to tokens and namespaces is good but bad to go beyond that
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Unknown Manu: restricting ourselves to tokens and namespaces is good but bad to go beyond that [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:38:27 <markbirbeck> Ralph: <meta property="prefix" ...
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Unknown Mark: <meta property="prefix" ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown markbirbeck ] ←
16:38:34 <Ralph> ... what else do we have in RDFa that applies to the body when it appears in the head?
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Unknown Ralph: ... what else do we have in RDFa that applies to the body when it appears in the head? ←
16:38:38 <Ralph> Shane: nothing else
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Unknown Shane: nothing else [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:38:49 <Ralph> ... the head section gives the properties of this document
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Unknown Ralph: ... the head section gives the properties of this document ←
16:38:58 <Ralph> s/Ralph:/Mark:
16:39:08 <Ralph> Shane: <title> a good example
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Unknown Shane: <title> a good example [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:39:23 <Ralph> Manu: so @prefix in the HEAD applies to the body
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Unknown Manu: so @prefix in the HEAD applies to the body [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:39:42 <Ralph> ... what about <html @prefix> ? would this work exactly like @xmlns?
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Unknown Ralph: ... what about <html @prefix> ? would this work exactly like @xmlns? ←
16:39:44 <Ralph> Shane: sure
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Unknown Shane: sure [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:40:07 <Ralph> ... if either @prefix or @xmlns appears on <html> and we _also_ load a profile, what is the processing order?
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Unknown Ralph: ... if either @prefix or @xmlns appears on <html> and we _also_ load a profile, what is the processing order? ←
16:40:29 <Ralph> Manu: I'd expect @prefix to always override an external document
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Unknown Manu: I'd expect @prefix to always override an external document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:40:44 <Ralph> ... same as @xmlns; it's a local override
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Unknown Ralph: ... same as @xmlns; it's a local override ←
16:40:57 <Ralph> ... so profile is loaded first, then you apply the prefixes
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Unknown Ralph: ... so profile is loaded first, then you apply the prefixes ←
16:41:18 <Ralph> Shane: sounds logical but thinking in terms of the XML processing model you effectively have to process the document in the order you're given it
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Unknown Shane: sounds logical but thinking in terms of the XML processing model you effectively have to process the document in the order you're given it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:41:44 <Ralph> ... so how would we deal with <html prefix><head prefix= profile="> ... ?
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Unknown Ralph: ... so how would we deal with <html prefix><head prefix= profile="> ... ? ←
16:41:51 <Ralph> Mark: could just mirror what CSS does
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Unknown Mark: could just mirror what CSS does [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:42:11 <Ralph> ... not necessarily right or wrong but it's a pattern people are already familiar with
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Unknown Ralph: ... not necessarily right or wrong but it's a pattern people are already familiar with ←
16:42:32 <Ralph> Manu: we do have a precedent for saying some elements are processed before others
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Unknown Manu: we do have a precedent for saying some elements are processed before others [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:43:01 <Ralph> ... our processing rules would effectively say to load @profile first then process @prefix and @xmlns
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Unknown Ralph: ... our processing rules would effectively say to load @profile first then process @prefix and @xmlns ←
16:43:37 <Ralph> Ralph: what if @profile appears lower in the tree?
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Unknown Ralph: what if @profile appears lower in the tree? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:44:04 <Ralph> Mark: when you have finished processing HEAD, don't undo everything you've set when you start to process BODY
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Unknown Mark: when you have finished processing HEAD, don't undo everything you've set when you start to process BODY [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:44:21 <Ralph> ... @xmlns is all about the hierarchy but we want HEAD to be special
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Unknown Ralph: ... @xmlns is all about the hierarchy but we want HEAD to be special ←
16:45:16 <Ralph> ... two choices; retain HEAD settings in the BODY or
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Unknown Ralph: ... two choices; retain HEAD settings in the BODY or ←
16:45:51 <Ralph> ... but after finishing HEAD, when starting BODY do you go back to HTML or not?
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Unknown Ralph: ... but after finishing HEAD, when starting BODY do you go back to HTML or not? ←
16:46:35 <Ralph> ... these rules can be discussed
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Unknown Ralph: ... these rules can be discussed ←
16:46:47 <Ralph> ... we need to decide what's at the URI that appears in @profile?
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Unknown Ralph: ... we need to decide what's at the URI that appears in @profile? ←
16:46:51 <Ralph> Manu: should be an RDFa document
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Unknown Manu: should be an RDFa document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:47:15 <Ralph> ... that makes the most sense; otherwise we'd be inventing another mechanism for doing the same thing RDFa already does
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Unknown Ralph: ... that makes the most sense; otherwise we'd be inventing another mechanism for doing the same thing RDFa already does ←
16:47:42 <Ralph> ... for example, you should be able to copy and paste the content of that profile document into the top of your current document and get the same result
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Unknown Ralph: ... for example, you should be able to copy and paste the content of that profile document into the top of your current document and get the same result ←
16:47:55 <Ralph> Mark: but I think the profile declarations should go into a separate graph
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Unknown Mark: but I think the profile declarations should go into a separate graph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:48:05 <Ralph> Manu: that could also make sense
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Unknown Manu: that could also make sense [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:48:24 <Ralph> Shane: I would never suggest that resolving the profile URI should add triples to the document graph
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Unknown Shane: I would never suggest that resolving the profile URI should add triples to the document graph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:48:31 <Ralph> ... all I want is the prefix bindings
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Unknown Ralph: ... all I want is the prefix bindings ←
16:48:44 <Ralph> Mark: take a look at OWL's import mechanism too
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Unknown Mark: take a look at OWL's import mechanism too [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:49:09 <Ralph> ... so a document could use owl:import if the processor allows
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Unknown Ralph: ... so a document could use owl:import if the processor allows ←
16:49:22 <Ralph> ... agree that the triples from a profile should be kept separate
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Unknown Ralph: ... agree that the triples from a profile should be kept separate ←
16:49:31 <Ralph> Manu: we seem to have consensus to use @prefix
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Unknown Manu: we seem to have consensus to use @prefix [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:49:45 <Ralph> ... acts just like @xmlns except that if used on HEAD it applies to the entire document
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Unknown Ralph: ... acts just like @xmlns except that if used on HEAD it applies to the entire document ←
16:50:05 <Ralph> ... remaining issue is the separator in the value of @prefix
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Unknown Ralph: ... remaining issue is the separator in the value of @prefix ←
16:50:17 <Ralph> Mark: do we need @prefix in HEAD?
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Unknown Mark: do we need @prefix in HEAD? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:50:41 <Ralph> ... if we agree that whatever bindings exist at the end of processing HEAD are preserved ...
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Unknown Ralph: ... if we agree that whatever bindings exist at the end of processing HEAD are preserved ... ←
16:51:02 <Ralph> ... we only need to process the profile document first
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Unknown Ralph: ... we only need to process the profile document first ←
16:51:19 <Ralph> ... ah, but you could have <meta property='dc:title' prefix=
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Unknown Ralph: ... ah, but you could have <meta property='dc:title' prefix= ←
16:51:22 <Ralph> ...'>
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Unknown Ralph: ...'> ←
16:51:40 <Ralph> ... but I think best practice would be to declare prefix on the html element
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Unknown Ralph: ... but I think best practice would be to declare prefix on the html element ←
16:51:53 <Ralph> ... so the remaining question is about processing external documents
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Unknown Ralph: ... so the remaining question is about processing external documents ←
16:52:31 <Ralph> ... agree that @prefix on HEAD applies to the entire document but our examples should show best practice as using @prefix on <HTML>
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Unknown Ralph: ... agree that @prefix on HEAD applies to the entire document but our examples should show best practice as using @prefix on <HTML> ←
16:52:48 <Ralph> Manu: the downside is that @prefix is then slightly different from @xmlns
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Unknown Manu: the downside is that @prefix is then slightly different from @xmlns [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:53:25 <Ralph> Mark: and we'll also specify the value syntax for @prefix to be very different from @xmlns
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Unknown Mark: and we'll also specify the value syntax for @prefix to be very different from @xmlns [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:53:41 <Ralph> ... I recommend that we _not_ explain the @prefix mechanism by reference to @xmlns
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Unknown Ralph: ... I recommend that we _not_ explain the @prefix mechanism by reference to @xmlns ←
16:54:13 <Ralph> ... we're saying here's another way of declaring _prefixes_, *not* another way of declaring _namespaces_
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Unknown Ralph: ... we're saying here's another way of declaring _prefixes_, *not* another way of declaring _namespaces_ ←
16:54:35 <Ralph> ... if the only reason for declaring a namespace is to get a prefix for, e.g., a CURIE, @prefix is a nicer way to do this
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Unknown Ralph: ... if the only reason for declaring a namespace is to get a prefix for, e.g., a CURIE, @prefix is a nicer way to do this ←
16:55:11 <Ralph> Shane: in a separate context, someone submitted a commment noting a complaint from a validator on an xmlns declaration for XSI that was totally independent of RDFa
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Unknown Shane: in a separate context, someone submitted a commment noting a complaint from a validator on an xmlns declaration for XSI that was totally independent of RDFa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:55:40 <Ralph> ... the commentor conflated namespace declaration issues with RDFa
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Unknown Ralph: ... the commentor conflated namespace declaration issues with RDFa ←
16:56:01 <Ralph> Mark: I'd like to see this called 'token' and move further away from the xmlns area
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Unknown Mark: I'd like to see this called 'token' and move further away from the xmlns area [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:56:17 <Ralph> Manu: do we have enough now to start writing some test cases?
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Unknown Manu: do we have enough now to start writing some test cases? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:57:22 <Ralph> Ralph: please create a notation for our test suite to distinguish these design tests from the approved RDFa-REC tests
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Unknown Ralph: please create a notation for our test suite to distinguish these design tests from the approved RDFa-REC tests [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:57:24 <Ralph> Manu: sure
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Unknown Manu: sure [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:58:02 <Ralph> ... also need a way to talk about the two graphs; the document graph and the prefix binding graph
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Unknown Ralph: ... also need a way to talk about the two graphs; the document graph and the prefix binding graph ←
16:58:19 <Ralph> Mark: and consider whether there is a well-known identifier for this separate graph
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Unknown Mark: and consider whether there is a well-known identifier for this separate graph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:58:24 <Ralph> ... should we define a name fo rit?
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Unknown Ralph: ... should we define a name for it? ←
16:58:28 <Ralph> s/fo r/for /
16:58:43 <Ralph> Shane: I think we can just say the triples do not go into the document graph
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Unknown Shane: I think we can just say the triples do not go into the document graph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:59:04 <Ralph> ... we don't have to require that the triples do go into some other graph
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Unknown Ralph: ... we don't have to require that the triples do go into some other graph ←
16:59:17 <Ralph> ... e.g. some processor might not create an explicit graph
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Unknown Ralph: ... e.g. some processor might not create an explicit graph ←
16:59:51 <Ralph> Mark: discussions of who [author, publisher, ...] adds metadata to documents
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Unknown Mark: discussions of who [author, publisher, ...] adds metadata to documents [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:00:08 <Ralph> Shane: perhaps the graph could be named by the URI of the source?
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Unknown Shane: perhaps the graph could be named by the URI of the source? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:00:12 <Ralph> Mark: yeah, something like that
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Unknown Mark: yeah, something like that [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:01:04 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to create design tests for @prefix and @profile.
ACTION: Manu to create design tests for @prefix and @profile. ←
17:01:31 <Ralph> Manu: regrets for 5 Feb telecon
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Unknown Manu: regrets for 5 Feb telecon [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:01:46 <Ralph> [adjourned]
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Unknown Ralph: [adjourned] ←
17:01:49 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
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17:01:51 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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17:01:57 <Zakim> -Ralph
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17:01:59 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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17:02:03 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Ralph, [IPcaller], markbirbeck
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17:02:03 <msporny> Thanks for scribing, Ralph :)
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Unknown msporny: Thanks for scribing, Ralph :) ←
17:02:05 <Ralph> +Manu
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Unknown Ralph: +Manu ←
17:02:07 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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Unknown Ralph: zakim, bye ←
17:02:14 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←
17:02:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←
17:03:53 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, bye ←
17:03:53 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-rdfa-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←
17:03:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to create design tests for @prefix and @profile. [1]
ACTION: Manu to create design tests for @prefix and @profile. [1] ←
17:03:53 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-rdfa-irc#T17-01-04
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-rdfa-irc#T17-01-04 ←
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