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16:00:17 <mgylling> Regrets: Julie_Morris_BISG, laudrain, Sharad Garg, Bert(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
16:03:31 <mgylling> scribe: dauwhe_
16:03:31 <tzviya> I'm working from someone else's house so i'll have to be on mute for most of the time
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16:04:07 <dauwhe_> mgylling: after calls on singular topics, time for summaries today.
Markus Gylling: after calls on singular topics, time for summaries today. ←
16:04:19 <dauwhe_> ... want next steps and timelines
... want next steps and timelines ←
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16:04:32 <dauwhe_> ... more concrete in getting to next steps in each efforts
... more concrete in getting to next steps in each efforts ←
16:04:42 <dauwhe_> ... need to approve minutes
... need to approve minutes ←
16:04:55 <dauwhe_> ... comments on minutes?
... comments on minutes? ←
16:04:59 <dshkolnik> Zakim, mute me
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16:05:01 <dauwhe_> ... last weeks minutes are approved.
... last weeks minutes are approved. ←
16:05:16 <dauwhe_> ... were Jan. 27 minutes approved?
... were Jan. 27 minutes approved? ←
16:05:22 <dauwhe_> Ivan: no meeting last week
Ivan Herman: no meeting last week ←
16:05:27 <tzviya> the 37 Jan minutes were not approved at last meeting
Tzviya Siegman: the 27 Jan minutes were not approved at last meeting ←
16:05:31 <dauwhe_> mgylling: it was two weeks ago
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16:05:44 <ivan> s/37/27/
16:05:45 <dauwhe_> ... minutes of january 27 still not approved
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16:06:01 <dauwhe_> ... markus has submitted corrections
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16:06:06 <dauwhe_> ... OK to approve?
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16:06:39 <dshkolnik> Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik
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16:06:45 <dshkolnik> Zakim, mute me
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16:06:50 <dauwhe_> Ivan: admin note: in two weeks, there will be a two-week period where Europe and US will differ on daylight savings time.
Ivan Herman: admin note: in two weeks, there will be a two-week period where Europe and US will differ on daylight savings time. ←
16:07:12 <dauwhe_> ... calls will be at same time for US residents
... calls will be at same time for US residents ←
16:07:20 <dauwhe_> .... but will be one hour earlier for everyone in Europe
.... but will be one hour earlier for everyone in Europe ←
16:07:30 <dauwhe_> ... I will send out an email to warn people of this change
... I will send out an email to warn people of this change ←
16:07:38 <dauwhe_> ... but expect chaos.
... but expect chaos. ←
16:08:25 <dauwhe_> ... UTC for W3C is irrelevant. Zero time is in Cambridge (our fair city).
... UTC for W3C is irrelevant. Zero time is in Cambridge, US (our fair city). ←
16:08:44 <dauwhe_> mgylling: in agenda, lots of task forces. We'll go through one by one.
Markus Gylling: in agenda, lots of task forces. We'll go through one by one. ←
16:08:55 <ivan> s/Cambridge/Cambridge, US/
16:08:58 <dauwhe_> ... summarize recent activity, near term plans, and timlines
... summarize recent activity, near term plans, and timlines ←
16:09:13 <dauwhe_> ... record commitments for next steps, which will vary by task force.
... record commitments for next steps, which will vary by task force. ←
16:09:31 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
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16:09:35 <dauwhe_> ... starting with Dave and LatinReq
... starting with Dave and LatinReq ←
16:09:41 <TomDN> Zakim, Ugent is me
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16:09:46 <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
(Scribe set to Markus Gylling)
16:09:56 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
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16:10:28 <mgylling> Dave: not much recent activity, dude to day job and big push on CSS side (CSS Paged Media). So things have been quiet on LatinReq.
Dave Cramer: not much recent activity, due to day job and big push on CSS side (CSS Paged Media). So things have been quiet on LatinReq. ←
16:10:51 <mgylling> Dave: next step is to flesh out the drop caps section, will help ebook industry quite a bit
Dave Cramer: next step is to flesh out the drop caps section, will help ebook industry quite a bit ←
16:10:59 <ivan> s/dude/due/
16:11:29 <mgylling> Dave: Ben Ko has been working on table layout, but also limited due to day job. Not sure on his timing
Dave Cramer: Ben Ko has been working on table layout, but also limited due to day job. Not sure on his timing ←
16:12:13 <mgylling> Markus: what is needed to publish a public draft?
Markus Gylling: what is needed to publish a public draft? ←
16:13:02 <mgylling> Dave: clear that this document is going to evolve, part of me thinks we can publish a draft at any time. Already used as referenced in CSSWG, to illustrate points. Would be nice to have a more official status
Dave Cramer: clear that this document is going to evolve, part of me thinks we can publish a draft at any time. Already used as referenced in CSSWG, to illustrate points. Would be nice to have a more official status ←
16:13:22 <mgylling> Dave: thinks it falls under W3C WG draft at this point
Dave Cramer: thinks it falls under W3C WG draft at this point ←
16:13:35 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:14:35 <mgylling> Markus: astearns has been contributing about grids and stuff as well, but no recent discussion.
Markus Gylling: Alan Stearns has been contributing about grids and stuff as well, but no recent discussion. ←
16:15:10 <dauwhe_> astearns: I've mostly been working on grids
Alan Stearns: I've mostly been working on grids [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
16:15:23 <dauwhe_> ... but may not be able to contribute on adaptive layout for a while
Dave Cramer: ... but may not be able to contribute on adaptive layout for a while ←
16:15:26 <dshkolnik> I am
Dmitry Shkolnik: I am ←
16:15:30 <mgylling> asterans: haven't done anything re adaptive layout, for now baseline grid, not sure when I will have time to contribute re adaptive. Maybe Dimitri has something to contribute?Alan Stearns: haven't done anything re adaptive layout, for now baseline grid, not sure when I will have time to contribute re adaptive. Maybe Dimitri has something to contribute? ←
16:15:32 <dshkolnik> Zakim, unmute me
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16:15:36 <dauwhe_> ... Dimitry may be able to contribute, possibly
Dave Cramer: ... Dimitry may be able to contribute, possibly ←
16:16:03 <dauwhe_> dshkolnik: don't yet have specific requirements
Dmitry Shkolnik: don't yet have specific requirements [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
16:16:05 <mgylling> dshkolnik: trying to get information specific for magazine publishers, and frankly we don't see any specific requirements
Dmitry Shkolnik: trying to get information specific for magazine publishers, and frankly we don't see any specific requirements ←
16:16:16 <ivan> q later
Ivan Herman: q later ←
16:16:47 <dauwhe_> mgylling: don't wait for adaptive layout info
Markus Gylling: don't wait for adaptive layout info [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
16:16:56 <astearns> +1
Alan Stearns: +1 ←
16:16:57 <dauwhe_> ... we can evolve document in time
Dave Cramer: ... we can evolve document in time ←
16:16:59 <mgylling> ack ivan
ack ivan ←
16:17:08 <mgylling> ack liam
ack liam ←
16:17:08 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to share notes about adaptive layout - content and constraints
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16:17:10 <dauwhe_> Ivan: Liam firs
Ivan Herman: Liam firs [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
16:17:12 <dshkolnik> Zakim, mute me
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16:17:29 <dauwhe_> liam: did notes about adaptive layout when I did XSL-FO
Liam Quin: did notes about adaptive layout when I did XSL-FO [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ] ←
16:17:35 <dauwhe_> ... the idea of alternate content
Dave Cramer: ... the idea of alternate content ←
16:17:59 <dauwhe_> ... depending on space, use shorter chapter title in running head if full title doesn't fit
Dave Cramer: ... depending on space, use shorter chapter title in running head if full title doesn't fit ←
16:18:12 <dauwhe_> ... layout constraints, which has been discussed around regions
Dave Cramer: ... layout constraints, which has been discussed around regions ←
16:18:27 <dauwhe_> ... some region use cases are about adaptive layout
Dave Cramer: ... some region use cases are about adaptive layout ←
16:18:34 <dauwhe_> ... I'm happy to share my notes
Dave Cramer: ... I'm happy to share my notes ←
16:18:44 <ivan> scribe: dauwhe_
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
16:18:51 <dauwhe_> ... agree we should go forward and publish
... agree we should go forward and publish ←
16:19:05 <dauwhe_> mgylling: adaptive content and layout are siblings
Markus Gylling: adaptive content and layout are siblings ←
16:19:32 <dauwhe_> ... trying to make sure that the IG produces use cases that serve publisher's needs
... trying to make sure that the IG produces use cases that serve publisher's needs ←
16:20:04 <dauwhe_> ... when would corpus of requirements for adaptive layout be needed by CSSWG for regions?
... when would corpus of requirements for adaptive layout be needed by CSSWG for regions? ←
16:20:13 <dauwhe_> Ivan: for mechanics
Ivan Herman: for mechanics ←
16:20:20 <dauwhe_> ... this would be our first published document
... this would be our first published document ←
16:20:32 <dauwhe_> ... publishing at W3C happens on Tuesdays and Thursdays
... publishing at W3C happens on Tuesdays and Thursdays ←
16:20:57 <dauwhe_> ... before we do anything, Ivan will need to request an official short name, which is latinreq
... before we do anything, Ivan will need to request an official short name, which is latinreq ←
16:21:05 <dauwhe_> ... must officially register that shortname
... must officially register that shortname ←
16:21:20 <dauwhe_> ... it's good that document is ready two=three days before pub date
... it's good that document is ready two=three days before pub date ←
16:21:32 <dauwhe_> ... we can decide on time later
... we can decide on time later ←
16:21:40 <dauwhe_> ... I do not travel at all in March
... I do not travel at all in March ←
16:21:49 <tmichel> I am also around for publication
Thierry Michel: I am also around for publication if needed←
16:22:18 <dauwhe_> ... ReSpec handles most problems that come up
... ReSpec handles most problems that come up ←
16:22:32 <tmichel> with respec we should be set ... validation and publication rules
Thierry Michel: with Respec we should be set ... validation and publication rules ←
16:23:23 <dauwhe_> mgylling: sounds good. Is your ambition to flesh out drop caps and table layout before pub?
Markus Gylling: sounds good. Is your ambition to flesh out drop caps and table layout before pub? ←
16:23:29 <dauwhe_> dauwhe: I'll think about that.
Dave Cramer: I'll think about that. ←
16:23:42 <dauwhe_> mgylling: shall we move on? Any more questions about latinreq?
Markus Gylling: shall we move on? Any more questions about latinreq? ←
16:23:45 <azaroth> Static copy of Anno use cases: http://www.openannotation.org/usecases.html
Robert Sanderson: Static copy of Anno use cases: http://www.openannotation.org/usecases.html ←
16:23:50 <dauwhe_> ... Rob with annotations
... Rob with annotations ←
16:24:03 <dauwhe_> azaroth: been away recently
Robert Sanderson: been away recently ←
16:24:26 <dauwhe_> ... there is a version of use cases posted at above link, 80% complete
... there is a version of use cases posted at above link, 80% complete ←
16:24:32 <dauwhe_> ... done with respec
... done with respec ←
16:24:36 <dauwhe_> ... still need some work
... still need some work ←
16:24:44 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aaee
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16:24:49 <dauwhe_> ... talked with Ivan and Markus
... talked with Ivan and Markus ←
16:24:59 <dauwhe_> .... todo item is that short name needs to be changed
.... todo item is that short name needs to be changed ←
16:25:10 <dauwhe_> ... to something like annotation use cases
... to something like annotation use cases ←
16:25:13 <dauwhe_> ... comments welcome
... comments welcome ←
16:25:29 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:25:36 <dauwhe_> ... we are moving ahead with various W3C efforts like workshop in April
... we are moving ahead with various W3C efforts like workshop in April ←
16:25:43 <dauwhe_> ... and discussing charter for Annotation WG
... and discussing charter for Annotation WG ←
16:25:58 <dauwhe_> mgylling: time and next steps?
Markus Gylling: time and next steps? ←
16:26:13 <dauwhe_> ... 80% complete, once you reach 100%, when?
... 80% complete, once you reach 100%, when? ←
16:26:29 <dauwhe_> .azaroth: done by next week
.azaroth: done by next week ←
16:26:47 <dauwhe_> Ivan: if you feel it's 100% we can publish at note
Ivan Herman: if you feel it's 100% we can publish at note ←
16:27:02 <dauwhe_> ... usually we publish as Working Draft, asking for comments from community
... usually we publish as Working Draft, asking for comments from community ←
16:27:16 <dauwhe_> ... better to publish as WD to encourage comments
... better to publish as WD to encourage comments ←
16:27:39 <dauwhe_> ... in this case, try to publish together with latinreq, good that we publish several docs
... in this case, try to publish together with latinreq, good that we publish several docs ←
16:27:47 <dauwhe_> ... I think this can be done. So why not?
... I think this can be done. So why not? ←
16:27:57 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky ←
16:28:00 <dauwhe_> ... keep on open annotation, or move to github?
... keep on open annotation, or move to github? ←
16:28:06 <dauwhe_> azaroth: can live anywhere.
Robert Sanderson: can live anywhere. ←
16:28:24 <dauwhe_> Ivan: prefer to put it on github
Ivan Herman: prefer to put it on github ←
16:28:37 <dauwhe_> .... makes it easier for others to contribute
.... makes it easier for others to contribute ←
16:28:48 <dauwhe_> ... if it's outside GitHub, that may create future difficulties
... if it's outside GitHub, that may create future difficulties ←
16:29:00 <dauwhe_> azaroth: not a problem
Robert Sanderson: not a problem ←
16:29:16 <dauwhe_> mgylling: publishing a draft sounds good.
Markus Gylling: publishing a draft sounds good. ←
16:29:19 <dauwhe_> azaroth: +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
16:29:27 <dauwhe_> mgylling: no issues with charter?
Markus Gylling: no issues with charter? ←
16:29:38 <dauwhe_> Ivan: charter will be finalized after workshop.
Ivan Herman: charter will be finalized after workshop. ←
16:29:48 <dauwhe_> ... by time WG starts, probably be end of summer
... by time WG starts, probably be end of summer ←
16:29:57 <dauwhe_> ... OK if it's a final note when WG starts.
... OK if it's a final note when WG starts. ←
16:30:01 <dauwhe_> mgylling: great.
Markus Gylling: great. ←
16:30:08 <dauwhe_> ... one more week to reach 100%
... one more week to reach 100% ←
16:30:18 <dauwhe_> ... Ivan wants both published simultaneously
... Ivan wants both published simultaneously ←
16:30:26 <dauwhe_> ... leads me back to Dave Cramer
... leads me back to Dave Cramer ←
16:30:35 <dauwhe_> ... next Monday to decide? Is that possible?
... next Monday to decide? Is that possible? ←
16:30:57 <dauwhe_> dauwhe: ok to decide next monday.
Dave Cramer: ok to decide next monday. ←
16:31:00 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:31:04 <dauwhe_> mgylling: more questions on annotations?
Markus Gylling: more questions on annotations? ←
16:31:08 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
16:31:20 <ivan> regrets+ Liza
Ivan Herman: regrets+ Liza ←
16:31:36 <dauwhe_> mgylling: what's next? DOM pagination, with no leader
Markus Gylling: what's next? DOM pagination, with no leader ←
16:31:46 <dauwhe_> ... discussed two weeks ago when I was not on the call
... discussed two weeks ago when I was not on the call ←
16:31:56 <dauwhe_> ... others are better equipped to summarize
... others are better equipped to summarize ←
16:32:17 <dauwhe_> brady_duga: had action item to review use cases
Brady Duga: had action item to review use cases ←
16:32:26 <dauwhe_> ... I'm only a week late; hopefully be next week
... I'm only a week late; hopefully be next week ←
16:32:44 <dauwhe_> mgylling: you were looking for a task force lead. Any ideas yet?
Markus Gylling: you were looking for a task force lead. Any ideas yet? ←
16:32:57 <dauwhe_> brady_duga: don't remember who said what.
Brady Duga: don't remember who said what. ←
16:33:23 <dauwhe_> Ivan: Liza may ask someone at ??? University, more to join the group than to find a chair
Ivan Herman: Liza may ask someone at Oxford University, more to join the group than to find a chair ←
16:33:36 <dauwhe_> s/???/Oxford/
16:34:21 <dauwhe_> mgylling: use cases are reading-system-centric, should look at from content producer perspective
Markus Gylling: use cases are reading-system-centric, should look at from content producer perspective ←
16:34:25 <tzviya> weren't we going to ask Random House for use cases?
Tzviya Siegman: weren't we going to ask Random House for use cases? ←
16:34:33 <dauwhe_> ... that's one motivation to reach out to Oxford
... that's one motivation to reach out to Oxford ←
16:34:47 <dauwhe_> ... not much more we can do with Pagination DOM today. Am I missing something? No
... not much more we can do with Pagination DOM today. Am I missing something? No ←
16:34:55 <dauwhe_> ... moving on to Bill and Madi
... moving on to Bill and Madi ←
16:35:29 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: not an orphaned group, just a neglectful parent. EDUPUB and EPUB3 Test Suite have taken lots of time
Bill Kasdorf: not an orphaned group, just a neglectful parent. EDUPUB and EPUB3 Test Suite have taken lots of time ←
16:35:44 <dauwhe_> ... progress so far due to Ivan, who restructured wiki
... progress so far due to Ivan, who restructured wiki ←
16:35:57 <dauwhe_> ... Ivan, Luc, and Phil have discussed issues on Wiki
... Ivan, Luc, and Phil have discussed issues on Wiki ←
16:36:21 <dauwhe_> ... quick summary: fundamental existential question of whether this IG is the right place to discuss these issues
... quick summary: fundamental existential question of whether this IG is the right place to discuss these issues ←
16:36:28 <dauwhe_> ... consensus is that this is the right place
... consensus is that this is the right place ←
16:36:39 <dauwhe_> ... start creating concrete use cases
... start creating concrete use cases ←
16:36:44 <dauwhe_> ... there are only two so far
... there are only two so far ←
16:36:52 <dauwhe_> ... overarching issue is vocabulary
... overarching issue is vocabulary ←
16:36:59 <dauwhe_> ... I said that was slippery slope
... I said that was slippery slope ←
16:37:05 <dauwhe_> ... there are a kazillion vocabularies
... there are a kazillion vocabularies ←
16:37:17 <dauwhe_> ... people dive into vocabularies too easily
... people dive into vocabularies too easily ←
16:37:31 <dauwhe_> ... having a guide to vocabularies has positive support
... having a guide to vocabularies has positive support ←
16:37:55 <dauwhe_> ... resources about resources: documents about all these vocabularies
... resources about resources: documents about all these vocabularies ←
16:38:02 <dauwhe_> ... developing such a guide would be useful
... developing such a guide would be useful ←
16:38:27 <dauwhe_> ... I'll be overseas next week, so won't be able to contribute for a while
... I'll be overseas next week, so won't be able to contribute for a while ←
16:38:41 <dauwhe_> ... but after that trip, I'll have some time. Will make strong push
... but after that trip, I'll have some time. Will make strong push ←
16:39:01 <dauwhe_> ... tasks: 1. develop description of the "guide to vocabularies"
... tasks: 1. develop description of the "guide to vocabularies" ←
16:39:07 <dauwhe_> ... 2. Add use cases
... 2. Add use cases ←
16:39:27 <dauwhe_> mgylling: 2nd half of march is when we expect you to ramp up?
Markus Gylling: 2nd half of march is when we expect you to ramp up? ←
16:39:37 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: back on March 10.
Bill Kasdorf: back on March 10. ←
16:40:09 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:40:10 <dauwhe_> mgylling: OK. Ivan and others, do you have any comments?
Markus Gylling: OK. Ivan and others, do you have any comments? ←
16:40:21 <dauwhe_> Ivan: what's important is to get more use cases from publishers.
Ivan Herman: what's important is to get more use cases from publishers. ←
16:40:24 <dauwhe_> ... I can't do that.
... I can't do that. ←
16:40:44 <dauwhe_> ... most earlier discussion is more on the technology side, rather thna the publisher side
... most earlier discussion is more on the technology side, rather thna the publisher side ←
16:41:05 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: when I said use cases, it needs to be from publishers
Bill Kasdorf: when I said use cases, it needs to be from publishers ←
16:41:20 <dauwhe_> ... this particular group needs to take into account annotations and accessibility
... this particular group needs to take into account annotations and accessibility ←
16:41:28 <dauwhe_> ... metadata is involved in both those areas
... metadata is involved in both those areas ←
16:41:49 <dauwhe_> ... if we come up with accessibility use cases, or annotations use cases, they should stay in those groups
... if we come up with accessibility use cases, or annotations use cases, they should stay in those groups ←
16:41:53 <dauwhe_> ... there will be overlap
... there will be overlap ←
16:42:13 <dauwhe_> Ivan: use cases may apply to several task forces
Ivan Herman: use cases may apply to several task forces ←
16:42:33 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: don't want to dupllicate effort
Bill Kasdorf: don't want to duplicate effort ←
16:42:40 <dauwhe_> s/dupllicate/duplicate/
16:43:00 <dauwhe_> mgyling: do you want to devote a call to your task force?
Markus Gylling: do you want to devote a call to your task force? ←
16:43:12 <dauwhe_> s/mgyling/mgylling/
16:43:30 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: when's optimal time for that? Won't be ready by 10th. Maybe on the 17th?
Bill Kasdorf: when's optimal time for that? Won't be ready by 10th. Maybe on the 17th? ←
16:43:43 <dauwhe_> ... it's not a reporting as much an interactive session
... it's not a reporting as much an interactive session ←
16:43:59 <dauwhe_> mgylling: OK to record March 17 as call devoted to metadata task force?
Markus Gylling: OK to record March 17 as call devoted to metadata task force? ←
16:44:05 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: OK.
Bill Kasdorf: OK. ←
16:44:09 <dauwhe_> mgylling: done.
Markus Gylling: done. ←
16:44:14 <dauwhe_> ... any nore questions on metadata?
... any nore questions on metadata? ←
16:44:22 <dauwhe_> ... moving on. Tzviya:
... moving on. Tzviya: ←
16:44:25 <tzviya> Zkim, unmute me
Tzviya Siegman: Zkim, unmute me ←
16:44:31 <dauwhe_> tzviya:
16:44:32 <tzviya> zakim, unmite me
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, unmite me ←
16:44:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmite me', tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmite me', tzviya ←
16:44:41 <tzviya> zakim, umute me
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, umute me ←
16:44:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute me', tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'umute me', tzviya ←
16:44:50 <tzviya> zakim, unmute me
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:44:50 <Zakim> tzviya should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tzviya should no longer be muted ←
16:44:53 <azaroth> :)
Robert Sanderson: :) ←
16:44:56 <dauwhe_> ... [having trouble spelling]
... [having trouble spelling] ←
16:45:19 <dauwhe_> ... Behavioural UI has suffered from group neglect
... Behavioural UI has suffered from group neglect ←
16:45:25 <dauwhe_> ... haven't gotten very far
... haven't gotten very far ←
16:45:38 <dauwhe_> ... how much broad interest is there in this area?
... how much broad interest is there in this area? ←
16:46:09 <dauwhe_> ... i'd like to gauge how much interest there is
... i'd like to gauge how much interest there is ←
16:46:42 <dauwhe_> ... not a lot of activity around the use cases
... not a lot of activity around the use cases ←
16:46:44 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:46:50 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
16:47:02 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
16:47:05 <dauwhe_> Ivan: my understanding based on SLC conversationsIvan Herman: my understanding based on SLC conversations ←
... play on the role attribute and how it's used in HTML ←
... joint work between IG and ARIA ←
... Rich is not here today ←
... we should get joint meeting with ARIA, what should be done, what can be done, how can this group help ←
... invite on that call co-chair of HTML working group ←
Tzviya Siegman: that touches on an area we haven't discussed ←
... aria roles and epub:type are often for structural elements, chapter and preface ←
... being expanded for things that have behaviour like indexes ←
... our use cases mostly involve behavioural intent ←
... like when user wants to adjust font family ←
... but monospace code should not change fonts ←
... would ARIA help with this? ←
... there may be two parts: ARIA stuff and behavioural UI ←
Ivan Herman: don't have an answer ←
... need to talk with ARIA people. ←
... ARIA was originally done for accessibility ←
... the usage of role may evolve beyond the original scope ←
... but we need to ask them ←
Tzviya Siegman: OK ←
Markus Gylling: the role attribute discussion is not the only thing going on there, but something we need to engage in ←
... your task force is the place to do this ←
... it might be about redesigning parts of epub to make more compliant with OWP ←
... perhaps meet with 1 or 2 of the editors, then HTML chairs ←
Tzviya Siegman: I agree ←
Ivan Herman: should I set up a Doodle? ←
Ivan Herman: I need list of people who should be on the call? ←
Markus Gylling: Ivan, Markus, Tzviya, Rich, Ted, Robin, Gerardo ←
Gerardo Capiel: we've been having parallel discussion about using ARIA roles in SVG ←
Markus Gylling: for doodle list also: Mark Hakkinen ←
... we met at EDUPUB to talk about this; there's a wiki I can reference ←
... the same idea has application here ←
... I can attend the call, or can be represented by Rich ←
Ivan Herman: I will put you on the list ←
Markus Gylling: five minutes to go and lots of task forces to cover ←
... accessibility: next steps etc ←
Gerardo Capiel: Rich and I and Mark H. and shepazou had about alternative modalities ←
... right before christmas discussed with Daniel Weck about SMIL ←
... support for web platform ??? ←
... some prior efforts that didn't go anywhere ←
... that's a big area that hasn't been covered ←
... on annotations ←
... added some stuff, will go deeper as I think about iAnnotate event ←
... we should loop in with Mark H re CSS speech use cases ←
... there is a spec, but browser support is weak ←
Markus Gylling: meeting with Suzanne, and Sue Fowler ←
... three minutes to go ←
Jean Kaplansky: Math is a poor red-headed step-orphan-child ←
... our use case count has not gone up ←
... we could find more ←
... we'd like more use cases from actual publisher ←
... I can solicit them, but I need to know which kinds of publishers ←
... journal or book? ←
Tzviya Siegman: +1 to liam ←
... probably get more from Journal publishers ←
... some stuff happening in Math and accessibility ←
Bill Kasdorf: Note that there is vastly more journal content online than book content, which is mainly EPUB etc. ←
... math should be accessible! ←
... need some time to get updated use cases, and then meet with accessibility group ←
Markus Gylling: do you have a name of who you can work with re accesibility? ←
Jean Kaplansky: I would start with gcapiel ←
... Design Science is also working on accessible math, which is good ←
... I have at least two sources to talk about accessible ←
Tzviya Siegman: do you want examples from chemistry? ←
... CML is unsupported ←
Jean Kaplansky: we've been using math for that ←
Markus Gylling: concrete action item for Tzviya ←
Markus Gylling: we should clarify scope here for deliverables ←
... same holds true for Tzviya's group ←
... focus on accessibility with Math and Chemistry is good ←
... any final comments or questions? Great. Thank you all. ←
... next week we'll push buttons to publish annotations and latinreq ←
Robert Sanderson: Thanks all :) ←
Tom De Nies: bye ←
Thierry Michel: next meeting: next Monday ←