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<ivan> Present: bert, bill_kasdorf, dave cramer, frederick hirsch, gerardo capiel, ivan herman, jean kaplansky, laura fowler, madi solomon, robert sanderson, sharad garg, suzanne taylor, tzviya siegman
14:00:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:00:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:00:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:00:56 <trackbot> Date: 28 October 2013
14:00:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 60 minutes
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14:55:06 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0045.html
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Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0045.html ←
14:55:15 <ivan> Chair: Madi
14:55:35 <ivan> regrets: Markus, Vladimir, Brady
14:56:29 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started
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14:56:35 <Zakim> + +1.518.669.aaaa
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14:58:34 <Zakim> +madi
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14:58:52 <Zakim> + +1.505.665.aabb
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14:58:57 <Zakim> +Tzviya
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14:59:01 <azaroth> Zakim, aabb is azaroth
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14:59:01 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
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14:59:11 <ivan> zakim, code?
Ivan Herman: zakim, code? ←
14:59:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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14:59:19 <Zakim> +BillKasdorf
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14:59:25 <Zakim> + +1.415.577.aacc
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14:59:34 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:59:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:59:44 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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14:59:44 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
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15:00:08 <tzviya> scribe: tzviya
(Scribe set to Tzviya Siegman)
15:00:31 <tzviya> aacc is gcapiel
aacc is gcapiel ←
15:00:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
15:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.518.669.aaaa, madi, azaroth, Tzviya, BillKasdorf, +1.415.577.aacc, Ivan, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.518.669.aaaa, madi, azaroth, Tzviya, BillKasdorf, +1.415.577.aacc, Ivan, fjh ←
15:00:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, gcapiel, azaroth, fjh, liam, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, gcapiel, azaroth, fjh, liam, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss ←
15:00:39 <ivan> zakim, aacc is gcapiel
Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is gcapiel ←
15:00:39 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
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15:01:23 <tzviya> zakim, aaaa is jean kaplansky
zakim, aaaa is jean kaplansky ←
15:01:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is jean kaplansky', tzviya
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15:01:53 <Zakim> +dauwhe
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15:01:57 <fjh> zakim, aaa is jean_kaplansky
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, aaa is jean_kaplansky ←
15:01:57 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa' ←
15:02:08 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is jean_kaplansky
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, aaaa is jean_kaplansky ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> +jean_kaplansky; got it
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15:02:14 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is jean
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15:02:14 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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15:02:15 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see jean_kaplansky, madi, azaroth, Tzviya, BillKasdorf, gcapiel (muted), Ivan, fjh, dauwhe
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15:02:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see dauwhe, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, gcapiel, azaroth, fjh, liam, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dauwhe, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, madi, gcapiel, azaroth, fjh, liam, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss ←
15:02:42 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aadd
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15:03:05 <Zakim> -gcapiel
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15:03:14 <Zakim> +gcapiel
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15:03:28 <ivan> zakim, aadd is laura
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15:03:28 <Zakim> +laura; got it
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15:04:12 <Zakim> +Bert
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15:04:15 <tzviya> madi opens the meeting
madi opens the meeting ←
15:04:30 <ivan> topic: intro, admin
15:04:39 <tzviya> approval of last week's minutes
approval of last week's minutes ←
15:04:47 <tzviya> ...https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-10-21
...https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-10-21 ←
15:04:51 <tzviya> approved
approved ←
15:04:53 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg
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15:04:55 <tzviya> next item
next item ←
15:04:58 <ivan> topic: new members?
15:05:04 <tzviya> madi: new members
Madi Solomon: new members ←
15:05:13 <tzviya> laura fowler
laura fowler ←
15:05:51 <tzviya> Laura: work in enterprise architecture at educational testing serice
Laura Fowler: work in enterprise architecture at educational testing serice ←
15:06:02 <tzviya> ...with mark haaden and others
...with mark hakkinen and others ←
15:06:12 <Zakim> -gcapiel
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15:06:15 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
Zakim IRC Bot: +Suzanne_Taylor ←
15:06:16 <tzviya> madi: ETS is already a member of W3C
Madi Solomon: ETS is already a member of W3C ←
15:06:24 <ivan> s/haaden/hakkinen/
15:06:25 <tzviya> ..other new members?
..other new members? ←
15:06:33 <tzviya> thank, ivan
thank, ivan ←
15:06:44 <ivan> Topic: new use cases
15:07:19 <tzviya> madi: bert sent update from MathML WG, please summarize
Madi Solomon: bert sent update from MathML WG, please summarize ←
15:07:37 <tzviya> Bert: was a UC about interactive use of mathematics
Bert Bos: was a UC about interactive use of mathematics ←
15:07:55 <Zakim> +gcapiel
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15:08:05 <tzviya> ...MathML WG started writing note about interactivity, example: fill-in blank in math
...MathML WG started writing note about interactivity, example: fill-in blank in math ←
15:08:18 <tzviya> ...this was a note that never got published
...this was a note that never got published ←
15:08:31 <tzviya> ...added to the comments of the use case
...added to the comments of the use case ←
15:08:40 <tzviya> ...uses <input> from HTML in MathML
...uses <input> from HTML in MathML ←
15:08:57 <Zakim> -gcapiel
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15:08:58 <tzviya> ...if anyone wants to follow up, happy to discuss
...if anyone wants to follow up, happy to discuss ←
15:09:03 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:09:25 <tzviya> bert: see note in http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_2
Bert Bos: see note in http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_2 ←
15:09:39 <tzviya> suzanne: new use case for a11y
Suzanne Taylor: new use case for a11y ←
15:09:45 <tzviya> ...mirroring resources
...mirroring resources ←
15:10:33 <madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mirror_Sources_UC
Madi Solomon: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Mirror_Sources_UC ←
15:10:38 <tzviya> ...important for accessible resource to match opther resources
...important for accessible resource to match opther resources ←
15:10:47 <tzviya> ...simple example is pagination
...simple example is pagination ←
15:11:14 <Zakim> +gcapiel
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15:11:19 <tzviya> ...audio transcripts have a similar issue
...audio transcripts have a similar issue ←
15:11:41 <tzviya> student must know which transcript s/he is responsible to study
student must know which transcript s/he is responsible to study ←
15:11:56 <Zakim> -gcapiel
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15:11:57 <tzviya> ...this extends to markup as well
...this extends to markup as well ←
15:12:18 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:12:38 <tzviya> ...if a resource is a bullet list in resource, must be bullet list in both, not alpha list in one and bullet list in another
...if a resource is a bullet list in resource, must be bullet list in both, not alpha list in one and bullet list in another ←
15:12:42 <tzviya> q+
q+ ←
15:12:50 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
15:13:16 <tzviya> tzviya" this will overlap the behavioral adaptive content group
Tzviya Siegman: this will overlap the behavioral adaptive content group ←
15:13:33 <ivan> s/"/:/
15:13:39 <tzviya> madi: suzanne spoke about timed tests, anything to add?
Madi Solomon: suzanne spoke about timed tests, anything to add? ←
15:14:04 <Zakim> +gcapiel
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel ←
15:14:18 <tzviya> suzanne: not now, but laura may have something to add once she reads
Suzanne Taylor: not now, but laura may have something to add once she reads ←
15:14:21 <tzviya> q-
q- ←
15:14:44 <ivan> Topic: tpac agenda topics
15:15:11 <tzviya> madi: logistics for TPAC should be settled by now
Madi Solomon: logistics for TPAC should be settled by now ←
15:15:23 <tzviya> ...posted informal list by now
...posted informal list by now ←
15:15:38 <tzviya> ..one topic not on list was pagination, but that will be discussed
..one topic not on list was pagination, but that will be discussed ←
15:16:08 <tzviya> ...pagination is on the agenda
...pagination is on the agenda ←
15:16:36 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:17:38 <tzviya> ,,,fonts and typography potential agenda item, but need to discuss with ???
...fonts and typography potential agenda item, but need to discuss with ??? ←
15:18:05 <tzviya> s/,,,/...
15:18:07 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:18:37 <tzviya> madi: inforgraphics is a topic that was suggested by Tzviya
Madi Solomon: inforgraphics is a topic that was suggested by Tzviya ←
15:18:52 <tzviya> tzviya: this is not a topic I am qualified to lead
Tzviya Siegman: this is not a topic I am qualified to lead ←
15:19:52 <tzviya> madi: behavioral adaptive content is another topic
Madi Solomon: behavioral adaptive content is another topic ←
15:20:49 <tzviya> tzviya: this is a topic to discuss, but I will not be at TPAC and was not able to work on this much last week (no computer)
Tzviya Siegman: this is a topic to discuss, but I will not be at TPAC and was not able to work on this much last week (no computer) ←
15:20:54 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
15:21:07 <tzviya> ...will call in to as much of TPAC as I can
...will call in to as much of TPAC as I can ←
15:21:22 <tzviya> Ivan: let me and markus know what availability is
Ivan Herman: let me and markus know what availability is ←
15:21:47 <ivan> ack dauwhe
Ivan Herman: ack dauwhe ←
15:22:03 <tzviya> BillK: typogaphy overlaps a lot with pagination and we may want to combine the two
Bill Kasdorf: typogaphy overlaps a lot with pagination and we may want to combine the two ←
15:22:15 <dauwhe> q-
Dave Cramer: q- ←
15:22:17 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:22:19 <tzviya> dauwhe: keeping an open mind about what pagination means
Dave Cramer: keeping an open mind about what pagination means ←
15:22:49 <tzviya> ivan: is it correct that some of the issues are more related to HTML than CSS?
Ivan Herman: is it correct that some of the issues are more related to HTML than CSS? ←
15:22:53 <tzviya> tzviya: yes
Tzviya Siegman: yes ←
15:23:33 <tzviya> Ivan: we are trying to get reps from CSS so once we have your schedule we will try to synchronize with them
Ivan Herman: we are trying to get reps from CSS so once we have your schedule we will try to synchronize with them ←
15:23:47 <tzviya> madi: another topic is security. sharad?
Madi Solomon: another topic is security. sharad? ←
15:24:04 <tzviya> sharad: what would the group like to see? this will help to prepare
Sharad Garg: what would the group like to see? this will help to prepare ←
15:24:13 <fjh> q+
Frederick Hirsch: q+ ←
15:24:31 <tzviya> ...I have experience and I will prepare based on expectations and requirements
...I have experience and I will prepare based on expectations and requirements ←
15:24:39 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:25:16 <tzviya> ivan: discussion over last few days has shown that once someone provokes email discussion, the list wakes up
Ivan Herman: discussion over last few days has shown that once someone provokes email discussion, the list wakes up ←
15:25:54 <tzviya> sharad: I will send a list of question related to ebooks and content distribution
Sharad Garg: I will send a list of question related to ebooks and content distribution ←
15:26:08 <tzviya> ..is it possible to talk to ivan off line as well?
..is it possible to talk to ivan off line as well? ←
15:26:17 <tzviya> ivan: yes, but not today
Ivan Herman: yes, but not today ←
15:26:18 <ivan> ack fjh
Ivan Herman: ack fjh ←
15:26:37 <tzviya> sharad: this may not take 3 hours
Sharad Garg: this may not take 3 hours ←
15:27:11 <tzviya> fjh: what is specific to ebooks vs HTML5? what is offline?
Frederick Hirsch: what is specific to ebooks vs HTML5? Are there any specific security concerns related to offline operation?? ←
15:27:18 <tzviya> Sharad: this will be addressed
Sharad Garg: this will be addressed ←
15:27:45 <fjh> s/what is offline/Are there any specific security concerns related to offline operation?/
15:28:02 <fjh> what should we consider behind same origin policies?
Frederick Hirsch: what should we consider beyond same origin policies? ←
15:28:07 <fjh> s/behind/beyond/
15:28:12 <tzviya> madi: question for ivan, should we explore discussions from list at TPAC?
Madi Solomon: question for ivan, should we explore discussions from list at TPAC? ←
15:28:18 <fjh> q?
Frederick Hirsch: q? ←
15:28:19 <tzviya> ...such as spacing issue
...such as spacing issue ←
15:28:36 <tzviya> ivan: this is in some sense a typographic issue
Ivan Herman: this is in some sense a typographic issue ←
15:28:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
15:28:44 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
15:28:58 <tzviya> ...we can pick them up in task forces and see where they go
...we can pick them up in task forces and see where they go ←
15:29:13 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:29:30 <tzviya> billK: one observation: the most salient issue that came out of that discussion is the cultural differences
Bill Kasdorf: one observation: the most salient issue that came out of that discussion is the cultural differences ←
15:29:56 <tzviya> ...not just language differences. This will avoid eliminating options
...not just language differences. This will avoid eliminating options ←
15:30:01 <ivan> ack dauwhe
Ivan Herman: ack dauwhe ←
15:30:16 <tzviya> Dauwhe: this is a good topic for CSSWG
Dave Cramer: this is a good topic for CSSWG ←
15:30:40 <tzviya> ...because there is a text replacement option in CSS, would like to push to get that back into CSS
...because there was a text replacement option in CSS, would like to push to get that back into CSS ←
15:30:54 <Bert> q+ to ask how authors currently do (or do not) type the spaces.
Bert Bos: q+ to ask how authors currently do (or do not) type the spaces. ←
15:31:09 <tzviya> Ivan: I contacted Koji about this because he [provided information that I didn't know about
Ivan Herman: I contacted Koji about this because he [provided information that I didn't know about ←
15:31:23 <tzviya> ...I encouraged him to join this meeting, but there are time differences
...I encouraged him to join this meeting, but there are time differences ←
15:31:24 <dauwhe> s/because there is/because there was/
15:31:34 <tzviya> madi: will koji be at TPAC?
Madi Solomon: will koji be at TPAC? ←
15:31:44 <ivan> ack Bert
Ivan Herman: ack Bert ←
15:31:44 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to ask how authors currently do (or do not) type the spaces.
Zakim IRC Bot: Bert, you wanted to ask how authors currently do (or do not) type the spaces. ←
15:31:53 <tzviya> ivan: yes Koji will be at CSS
Ivan Herman: yes Koji will be at CSS ←
15:32:34 <tzviya> bert: what is the input? What does it look like? where are spaces? This would inform CSS WG
Bert Bos: what is the input? What does it look like? where are spaces? This would inform CSS WG ←
15:32:49 <tzviya> ...Does it differ across cultures/languages
...Does it differ across cultures/languages ←
15:33:27 <tzviya> madi: this would be very informative. Does such a thing exist
Madi Solomon: this would be very informative. Does such a thing exist ←
15:33:49 <tzviya> billK: this assumes author = writer
Bill Kasdorf: this assumes author = writer ←
15:34:38 <tzviya> ...a lot will depend on what is available on keyboard. Thin space and nbsp are not available to authors
...a lot will depend on what is available on keyboard. Thin space and nbsp are not available to authors ←
15:35:18 <tzviya> ivan: true, but I see regular spaces before punctuation in french
Ivan Herman: true, but I see regular spaces before punctuation in french ←
15:35:30 <tzviya> BillK: practices often change
Bill Kasdorf: practices often change ←
15:35:35 <tzviya> q+
q+ ←
15:35:40 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
15:36:28 <tzviya> tzviya
tzviya ←
15:36:53 <tzviya> : there are also differences across segments of the industry
Tzviya Siegman: there are also differences across segments of the industry ←
15:37:15 <ivan> s/:/tzviya:/
15:37:20 <tzviya> ...indentation of paragraphs is more common in trade
...indentation of paragraphs is more common in trade ←
15:37:58 <tzviya> ...non-indented paragraphs and extra space between paragraphs is more common in professional books
...non-indented paragraphs and extra space between paragraphs is more common in professional books ←
15:39:01 <ivan> Resolution: topics for TPAC: (1) Pagination, Dave (2) Infographics, but chair is needed (3) font/typography, Vlad (4) Behavioral adaption, Tzviya (5) Security, Sharad
RESOLVED: topics for TPAC: (1) Pagination, Dave (2) Infographics, but chair is needed (3) font/typography, Vlad (4) Behavioral adaption, Tzviya (5) Security, Sharad ←
15:40:13 <ivan> Topic: Metadata task force?
15:40:38 <tzviya> madi:Bill, please introduce the topic
Madi Solomon: Bill, please introduce the topic ←
15:41:01 <tzviya> billK: do we need a WG on metadata or are the features of HTML and CSS sufficient?
Bill Kasdorf: do we need a Task Force on metadata or are the features of HTML and CSS sufficient? ←
15:41:13 <ivan> s/WG/Task Force/
15:41:26 <tzviya> ...be mindful of the types of metadata: rights, subject, etc.
...be mindful of the types of metadata: rights, subject, etc. ←
15:41:45 <tzviya> ...publishers increasingly want to include this at a more granular level
...publishers increasingly want to include this at a more granular level ←
15:42:12 <tzviya> ...we have done this by adding <div class ="x">
...we have done this by adding <div class ="x"> ←
15:42:22 <tzviya> ...there is also microdata and RDFa
...there is also microdata and RDFa ←
15:42:31 <tzviya> ...is there a need to change W3C specs?
...is there a need to change W3C specs? ←
15:42:50 <tzviya> ...we do not want to discuss individual vocabularies
...we do not want to discuss individual vocabularies ←
15:43:07 <tzviya> ...are there sufficient vocabularies?
...are there sufficient vocabularies? ←
15:43:38 <tzviya> ...ivan asked would it be useful to create a clearing house for these vocabularies?
...ivan asked would it be useful to create a clearing house for these vocabularies? ←
15:43:52 <gcapiel> +q
Gerardo Capiel: +q ←
15:44:10 <tzviya> ...for example, book publishers are usually aware of ONIX, but not aware of PRISM (used in magazines)
...for example, book publishers are usually aware of ONIX, but not aware of PRISM (used in magazines) ←
15:44:32 <tzviya> ...neither magazines nor books are usually aware of MARC, TEI, etc
...neither magazines nor books are usually aware of MARC, TEI, etc ←
15:44:37 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:44:40 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:44:46 <azaroth> +q
Robert Sanderson: +q ←
15:44:48 <tzviya> ...what is in scope? would it be helpful?
...what is in scope? would it be helpful? ←
15:45:07 <tzviya> ivan: we have to be careful about terminology
Ivan Herman: we have to be careful about terminology ←
15:45:34 <tzviya> ...a WG would be separate from this IG (within W3C)
...a WG would be separate from this IG (within W3C) ←
15:46:01 <tzviya> ...it is a question about whether this group could answer with a yes/no
...it is a question about whether this group could answer with a yes/no ←
15:46:05 <tzviya> ...let
...let ←
15:46:17 <tzviya> ..us define clearing house
..us define clearing house ←
15:46:35 <tzviya> ...we could define each vocabulary and how they relate to one another
...we could define each vocabulary and how they relate to one another ←
15:46:39 <ivan> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/
Ivan Herman: http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/ ←
15:47:05 <tzviya> ...this link is an example of linked vocabilaries
...this link is an example of linked vocabilaries ←
15:47:36 <tzviya> ...the other possibility is to create formal mapping between these vocabularies
...the other possibility is to create formal mapping between these vocabularies ←
15:48:02 <tzviya> ...should this be done by this IG or by organizations that host these vocabularies?
...should this be done by this IG or by organizations that host these vocabularies? ←
15:48:07 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
15:48:28 <ivan> ack gcapiel
Ivan Herman: ack gcapiel ←
15:48:46 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:48:58 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: gcapiel (31%)
Zakim IRC Bot: fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: gcapiel (31%) ←
15:49:28 <tzviya> gcapiel: I've been working with Bill on enhancing vocabularies like schema.org, a search vocab
Gerardo Capiel: I've been working with Bill on enhancing vocabularies like schema.org, a search vocab ←
15:49:45 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/mediaont-10/ somewhat similar work done at W3C in the past
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/mediaont-10/ somewhat similar work done at W3C in the past ←
15:49:51 <tzviya> ...it may be that what we need for publishing will not move fast enough
...it may be that what we need for publishing will not move fast enough ←
15:49:58 <Zakim> -jean_kaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: -jean_kaplansky ←
15:50:17 <Zakim> +jean_kaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: +jean_kaplansky ←
15:50:38 <tzviya> ...schema.org will not address these issues in time
...schema.org will not address these issues in time ←
15:51:04 <tzviya> ...this issue needs to be addressed
...this issue needs to be addressed ←
15:51:06 <ivan> zakim, mute gcapiel
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute gcapiel ←
15:51:06 <Zakim> gcapiel should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gcapiel should now be muted ←
15:51:26 <tzviya> BillK: Gerardo's points are excellent
Bill Kasdorf: Gerardo's points are excellent ←
15:51:47 <tzviya> ...this is not just metadata about the document, but metadata within the document
...this is not just metadata about the document, but metadata within the document ←
15:51:55 <ivan> ack azaroth
Ivan Herman: ack azaroth ←
15:51:56 <fjh> q+
Frederick Hirsch: q+ ←
15:52:39 <tzviya> azaroth: love/hate relationship with metadata standards. We need to be careful not to disappear down a hole
Robert Sanderson: love/hate relationship with metadata standards. We need to be careful not to disappear down a hole ←
15:53:12 <tzviya> ...we should point to standards, not try to incorporate them all
...we should point to standards, not try to incorporate them all ←
15:53:24 <dauwhe> http://xkcd.com/927/
Dave Cramer: http://xkcd.com/927/ ←
15:53:26 <tzviya> ...should not try to provide crosswalsk
...should not try to provide crosswalks ←
15:53:42 <ivan> ack fjh
Ivan Herman: ack fjh ←
15:53:58 <tzviya> s/crosswalsk/crosswalks
15:54:16 <tzviya> fjh: please summarize what gerardo said
Frederick Hirsch: please summarize what gerardo said ←
15:54:31 <azaroth> +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
15:54:44 <tzviya> billK: not only are there many standards, but they are constantly evolving
Bill Kasdorf: not only are there many standards, but they are constantly evolving ←
15:55:27 <tzviya> ivan: if we decide to set up a clearing house then we have to be conscious of the fact that the content is dynamic
Ivan Herman: if we decide to set up a clearing house then we have to be conscious of the fact that the content is dynamic ←
15:55:48 <tzviya> ...and the community has to be able to maintain it even after the WG is gone
...and the community has to be able to maintain it even after the WG is gone ←
15:55:55 <gcapiel> Q+
Gerardo Capiel: Q+ ←
15:56:06 <ivan> zakim, unmute gcapiel
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute gcapiel ←
15:56:07 <Zakim> gcapiel should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gcapiel should no longer be muted ←
15:56:08 <tzviya> fjh: I would be concerned about ongoing maintenance
Frederick Hirsch: I would be concerned about ongoing maintenance ←
15:56:15 <ivan> ack gcapiel
Ivan Herman: ack gcapiel ←
15:56:47 <tzviya> gcapiel: i think there are a lot of metadata standards, and I'd hate to reinvent the wheel
Gerardo Capiel: i think there are a lot of metadata standards, and I'd hate to reinvent the wheel ←
15:57:06 <tzviya> ...we need to make sure it's clear how to use existing standards within HTML
...we need to make sure it's clear how to use existing standards within HTML ←
15:57:08 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:57:43 <tzviya> ...in terms of ongoing maintenance, that is an issue if W3C takes on metadata work
...in terms of ongoing maintenance, that is an issue if W3C takes on metadata work ←
15:57:55 <Zakim> -jean_kaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: -jean_kaplansky ←
15:58:03 <tzviya> ...it might make sense to point to existing specs
...it might make sense to point to existing specs ←
15:58:22 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:58:34 <tzviya> BillK: perhaps the goal should be advising about how to make metadata specs interoperable
Bill Kasdorf: perhaps the goal should be advising about how to make metadata specs interoperable ←
15:59:06 <tzviya> ivan: fully agree with gerardo that defining a metadata spec is not something that we want to do
Ivan Herman: fully agree with gerardo that defining a metadata spec is not something that we want to do ←
15:59:17 <tzviya> ...there is an intersection with annotations
...there is an intersection with annotations ←
15:59:24 <azaroth> I agree with Ivan :)
Robert Sanderson: I agree with Ivan :) ←
15:59:53 <tzviya> ...in that we have to a way define a URI, a way to uniquely identify something
...in that we have to a way define a URI, a way to uniquely identify something ←
16:00:14 <tzviya> ...IDPF has a separate document on this, but not sure that it covers what we need
...IDPF has a separate document on this, but not sure that it covers what we need ←
16:00:23 <fjh> is that a TAG discussion topic?
Frederick Hirsch: is that a TAG discussion topic? ←
16:00:37 <tzviya> ...we may want to address this ourselves or ask W3C to address this
...we may want to address this ourselves or ask W3C to address this ←
16:00:40 <azaroth> (Also agree that the IDPF work is currently insufficient for the DPUB IG's needs)
Robert Sanderson: (Also agree that the IDPF work is currently insufficient for the DPUB IG's needs) ←
16:01:00 <tzviya> ...W3C is setting up a group to address best practices for publishing on the web
...W3C is setting up a group to address best practices for publishing on the web ←
16:01:12 <tzviya> ...this will include describing data
...this will include describing data ←
16:01:27 <tzviya> ...and will be of interest for this group as well
...and will be of interest for this group as well ←
16:01:37 <tzviya> ...probably will begin in Dec
...probably will begin in Dec ←
16:01:56 <tzviya> madi: conclusion seems to be that we don't need a task force
Madi Solomon: conclusion seems to be that we don't need a task force ←
16:02:03 <tzviya> ivan: i don't agree
Ivan Herman: i don't agree ←
16:02:23 <tzviya> ...I think we may need a task force, but it's different from other task forces
...I think we may need a task force, but it's different from other task forces ←
16:02:44 <gcapiel> I agree
Gerardo Capiel: I agree ←
16:02:57 <azaroth> Continue to agree with Ivan
Robert Sanderson: Continue to agree with Ivan ←
16:03:12 <tzviya> ..this task force will research and recommend to W3C where to explore further
..this task force will research and recommend to W3C where to explore further ←
16:03:14 <fjh> thanks
Frederick Hirsch: thanks ←
16:03:17 <Zakim> -Sharad_Garg
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad_Garg ←
16:03:18 <Zakim> -gcapiel
Zakim IRC Bot: -gcapiel ←
16:03:18 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
Zakim IRC Bot: -Suzanne_Taylor ←
16:03:18 <Zakim> -BillKasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: -BillKasdorf ←
16:03:18 <tzviya> BillK: makes sense
Bill Kasdorf: makes sense ←
16:03:20 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi ←
16:03:21 <Zakim> -dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -dauwhe ←
16:03:21 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
16:03:21 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:03:22 <Zakim> -Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tzviya ←
16:03:24 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert ←
16:03:27 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh ←
16:03:29 <Zakim> -laura
Zakim IRC Bot: -laura ←
16:03:30 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:03:30 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.518.669.aaaa, madi, +1.505.665.aabb, Tzviya, azaroth, BillKasdorf, +1.415.577.aacc, Ivan, fjh, gcapiel, dauwhe, jean_kaplansky, +1.609.216.aadd, laura, Bert,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.518.669.aaaa, madi, +1.505.665.aabb, Tzviya, azaroth, BillKasdorf, +1.415.577.aacc, Ivan, fjh, gcapiel, dauwhe, jean_kaplansky, +1.609.216.aadd, laura, Bert, ←
16:03:30 <Zakim> ... Sharad_Garg, Suzanne_Taylor
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sharad_Garg, Suzanne_Taylor ←
16:03:37 <ivan> zakim, who is there?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is there? ←
16:03:37 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ivan.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, ivan. ←
16:03:44 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:03:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
16:04:03 <tzviya> Madi: we defined what this task force will not do. Will continue to define what the task force will fo
Madi Solomon: we defined what this task force will not do. Will continue to define what the task force will fo ←
16:04:03 <ivan> trackbot, stop telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, stop telcon ←
16:04:03 <trackbot> Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
16:04:11 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:04:11 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:04:11 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:04:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:04:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/28-dpub-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:04:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:04:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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