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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 27 August 2013

Present
Tzviya Siegman, Robert Sanderson, Ivan Herman, Markus Gylling, Brady Duga, Bert Bos, Vladimir Levantovsky, Frederick Hirsch, Peter Linss, Sharad Garg
Guests
Karen Myers (W3C), Bill Kasdorf, Jean Kaplansky (Aptara), Bernard Grunow (Cengage Learning)
Regrets
George Kerscher, Madi Solomon
Scribe
Tzviya Siegman, Robert Sanderson
IRC Log
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Resolutions

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Topics
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14:02:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:02:52 <trackbot> Date: 27 August 2013
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14:57:43 <Zakim> +Tsviya

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14:57:51 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

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14:57:52 <Zakim> +azaroth

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14:57:53 <Zakim> +Ivan

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14:58:29 <ivan> scribe: tzviya

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14:58:37 <Zakim> +mgylling

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14:58:50 <mgylling> regrets: George Kerscher, Madi Solomon
15:00:14 <ivan> zakim, mute me

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15:00:14 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

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15:00:38 <Zakim> +duga

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15:00:55 <Zakim> +Bert

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15:00:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:01:01 <Zakim> +Vlad

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15:01:02 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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15:01:02 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

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15:01:08 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

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15:01:45 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf

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15:02:26 <Zakim> +plinss

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15:02:33 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

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15:02:42 <Zakim> + +1.248.699.aaaa

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15:03:11 <Zakim> +Sharad

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15:03:15 <mgylling> Zakim, aaaa is Bernard

Markus Gylling: Zakim, aaaa is Bernard

15:03:15 <Zakim> +Bernard; got it

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15:03:16 <ivan> Guest: Jean (JeanKaplansky) Kaplansky, Aptara
15:04:35 <tzviya> Markus: opens meeting

Markus Gylling: opens meeting

15:04:41 <karen_> Vlad is AC rep from Monotype

Karen Myers: Vlad is AC rep from Monotype

15:04:53 <tzviya> vladimir: from Monotype

Vladimir Levantovsky: from Monotype

15:05:32 <tzviya> ...provides software solutions for customers, e-tech and digital solutions

...provides software solutions for customers, e-text and digital solutions

15:05:48 <tzviya> ...member of W3C and fonts WG

...member of W3C and fonts WG

15:06:11 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

15:06:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tsviya, azaroth, Ivan (muted), mgylling, duga, Bert, fjh, Vlad, plinss, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, Karen_Myers, Bernard, Sharad

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Tsviya, azaroth, Ivan (muted), mgylling, duga, Bert, fjh, Vlad, plinss, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, Karen_Myers, Bernard, Sharad

15:06:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, JeanKaplansky, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, duga, Bert, azaroth, mgylling, tzviya, fjh, karen_, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sharad, JeanKaplansky, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, duga, Bert, azaroth, mgylling, tzviya, fjh, karen_, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro

15:06:35 <tzviya> Bernard from Cengage, an educational company, dir. of systems analysis

Bernard from Cengage, an educational company, dir. of systems analysis

15:08:09 <mgylling> prev weeks minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-20

Markus Gylling: prev weeks minutes: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-08-20

15:08:35 <Vlad> s/e-tech/e-text/
15:08:43 <tzviya> Markus: approval of last week's minutesL approved

Markus Gylling: approval of last week's minutesL approved

15:09:02 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: meeting agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Aug/0018.html

Ivan Herman: ivan has changed the topic to: meeting agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Aug/0018.html

15:09:43 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory

15:10:04 <tzviya> makrus: all members of group are free to add use cases to directory

Markus Gylling: all members of group are free to add use cases to directory

15:10:16 <ivan> s/makrus/markus/
15:10:35 <tzviya> ...we have a few people who are responsible for specific areas of use cases

...we have a few people who are responsible for specific areas of use cases

15:10:56 <tzviya> ...Jean oversees MathML, Rob oversees annotations

...Jean oversees MathML, Rob oversees annotations

15:11:09 <tzviya> ...Markus is looking for a lead on pagination

...Markus is looking for a lead on pagination

15:11:42 <tzviya> ...our structure is still in beta. We will use this for about 1 month. If there is something that is annoying, point it out

...our structure is still in beta. We will use this for about 1 month. If there is something that is annoying, point it out

15:12:27 <tzviya> ...we have 1-2 new faces weekly. Growing steadily

...we have 1-2 new faces weekly. Growing steadily

15:12:36 <ivan> Guest: Bernard (Bernard) Grunow, Cengage Learning
15:12:57 <tzviya> ...scribing. This week had 2 volunteers. So, we will stick with volunteers for now

...scribing. This week had 2 volunteers. So, we will stick with volunteers for now

15:13:28 <tzviya> ...everyone is asked to scribe from time to time

...everyone is asked to scribe from time to time

15:13:49 <tzviya> ...reminder of TPAC meeting. Register if going. Visas are often needed

...reminder of TPAC meeting. Register if going. Visas are often needed

15:14:04 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

15:14:04 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

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15:14:32 <tzviya> Karen: main thing for TPAC: register and VISA letter can take time. Contact Karen with questions

Karen Myers: main thing for TPAC: register and VISA letter can take time. Contact Karen with questions

15:15:01 <ivan> Topic: Use Cases

1. Use Cases

15:15:12 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory Use case directory

15:15:13 <tzviya> Markus; move on to wiki activities http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory

Markus Gylling: move on to wiki activities http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory

15:15:29 <ivan> s/Markus;/Markus:/
15:15:58 <tzviya> Markus: structure of use case directory is also somewhat arbitrary, expect it to change later on

Markus Gylling: structure of use case directory is also somewhat arbitrary, expect it to change later on

15:16:28 <tzviya> ...two initial use cases from naka-tobira needs input

...two initial use cases from naka-tobira needs input

15:16:36 <tzviya> ...and transclusion

...and transclusion

15:16:56 <tzviya> ...both are still state "new" and no need to change yet

...both are still state "new" and no need to change yet

15:17:33 <tzviya> ...we will probably leave use cases as "new" until we have a large sample and blessing from larger group

...we will probably leave use cases as "new" until we have a large sample and blessing from larger group

15:17:44 <tzviya> ...new use cases on math from jean

...new use cases on math from jean

15:17:59 <ivan> Subtopic: Math use cases

1.1. Math use cases

15:18:05 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC Math Use cases

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC Math Use cases

15:18:39 <tzviya> Jean: there are 2 different kinds of mathML - content-based and presentation-based MathML

Jean Kaplansky: there are 2 different kinds of mathML - content-based and presentation-based MathML

15:19:10 <tzviya> ...most browsers have taken a stab at presentation-based MathML. It is easier.

...most browsers have taken a stab at presentation-based MathML. It is easier.

15:19:44 <tzviya> ...We talk of separation of content and presentation. In math, presentation can change meaning of content.

...We talk of separation of content and presentation. In math, presentation can change meaning of content.

15:20:06 <tzviya> ...There needs to be a way to render MathML in general. Lack of native support in web engines.

...There needs to be a way to render MathML in general. Lack of native support in web engines.

15:20:50 <tzviya> ...second use case http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_2 is for dynamic use of math

...second use case http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_2 is for dynamic use of math

15:21:43 <tzviya> ...this is done with presentational MathML. user interacts with math. It is only when get to very high level math that require content MathML

...this is done with presentational MathML. user interacts with math. It is only when get to very high level math that require content MathML

15:22:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:22:11 <Bert> q+ to mention (1) Math WG is interested in case 2, and (2) ask how case 3 would be authored.

Bert Bos: q+ to mention (1) Math WG is interested in case 2, and (2) ask how case 3 would be authored.

15:22:40 <tzviya> .....3rd case http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_3 involves using MathML with interactivity that uses results

.....3rd case http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathML_UC#MathML_3 involves using MathML with interactivity that uses results

15:23:07 <tzviya> ,,,connects computational results of research outside of the publication

...connects computational results of research outside of the publication

15:23:17 <ivan> s/,,,/.../
15:23:33 <tzviya> ...these use cases were written by Peter Krautzberger of MathJax javascript library

...these use cases were written by Peter Krautzberger of MathJax javascript library

15:23:35 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

15:23:58 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf

15:25:59 <tzviya> Bill: a common use case: publisher input variables on graph, and changes visual display. Does this require content MathML or is presentational OK?

Bill Kasdorf: a common use case: publisher input variables on graph, and changes visual display. Does this require content MathML or is presentational OK?

15:26:15 <mgylling> ack Bert

Markus Gylling: ack Bert

15:26:15 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to mention (1) Math WG is interested in case 2, and (2) ask how case 3 would be authored.

Zakim IRC Bot: Bert, you wanted to mention (1) Math WG is interested in case 2, and (2) ask how case 3 would be authored.

15:26:23 <tzviya> Jean: to start with, presentational may be OK. The goal is to get something supported

Jean Kaplansky: to start with, presentational may be OK. The goal is to get something supported

15:26:59 <tzviya> Bert: I am on Math WG. Use case 2 is already in progress in Math WG

Bert Bos: I am on Math WG. Use case 2 is already in progress in Math WG

15:27:11 <Zakim> -duga

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15:27:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:27:44 <tzviya> ...question about use case 3 - who will author this? who will add semantic part?

...question about use case 3 - who will author this? who will add semantic part?

15:27:58 <Zakim> +duga

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15:28:13 <tzviya> Jean: I can't say. The authoring tools that exist are designscience, LaTeX, and something else

Jean Kaplansky: I can't say. The authoring tools that exist are designscience, LaTeX, and something else

15:29:22 <tzviya> ...Authoring tools are behind the scene. This needs to be part of use case. Will talk to Peter and bring back to Math WG

...Authoring tools are behind the scene. This needs to be part of use case. Will talk to Peter and bring back to Math WG

15:29:28 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf

Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf

15:30:14 <tzviya> Bill: Scholarly publishing often asks how researchers are using web to do their work and how they publish their work

Bill Kasdorf: Scholarly publishing often asks how researchers are using web to do their work and how they publish their work

15:31:24 <tzviya> ...consider whether mathematicians are doing the work or publishing it

...consider whether mathematicians are doing the work or publishing it

15:32:00 <tzviya> Jean: there is a distinction. That is use case 3 - the interactive book.

Jean Kaplansky: there is a distinction. That is use case 3 - the interactive book.

15:32:21 <tzviya> ...whether this gains traction remains to be seen, but it is a use case

...whether this gains traction remains to be seen, but it is a use case

15:33:27 <tzviya> Markus: can we make use case 2 more specific in terms of interacting with math?

Markus Gylling: can we make use case 2 more specific in terms of interacting with math?

15:34:21 <tzviya> ...we expect to have many use cases of interaction. This may benefit from having specialized examples.

...we expect to have many use cases of interaction. This may benefit from having specialized examples.

15:34:33 <tzviya> ...How does this interact with math?

...How does this interact with math?

15:34:46 <tzviya> Jean: will talk to Peter about adding examples.

Jean Kaplansky: will talk to Peter about adding examples.

15:34:47 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:34:54 <mgylling> ack ivan

Markus Gylling: ack ivan

15:35:49 <tzviya> Ivan: general question: Have heard that current status of MathML implementation is bad.

Ivan Herman: general question: Have heard that current status of MathML implementation is bad.

15:36:13 <tzviya> ...what kind of additional documentation would be helpful to publishing industry?

...what kind of additional documentation would be helpful to publishing industry?

15:36:26 <tzviya> ...what would improve the state of MathML support?

...what would improve the state of MathML support?

15:36:40 <tzviya> Jean: there have been some one on one discussions

Jean Kaplansky: there have been some one on one discussions

15:36:54 <tzviya> ...Peter K and Jean will do a call to action

...Peter K and Jean will do a call to action

15:37:29 <tzviya> for publishers to adequately specify what their needs are for browser and reading system vendors

...for publishers to adequately specify what their needs are ...for browser and reading system vendors

15:37:54 <tzviya> s/for/...for
15:38:32 <tzviya> Bert: this is a regular topic for Math WG as well

Bert Bos: this is a regular topic for Math WG as well

15:39:09 <tzviya> ...Firefox tries to do the right thing. Chrome had some security issues, so shut it off, probably need some engineering help

...Firefox tries to do the right thing. Chrome had some security issues, so shut it off, probably need some engineering help

15:39:16 <tzviya> ...if have ideas, let Bert know

...if have ideas, let Bert know

15:39:48 <karen_> +1 Jean

Karen Myers: +1 Jean

15:39:54 <ivan> Subtopic: book semantics

1.2. book semantics

15:40:11 <azaroth> scribe: azaroth

(Scribe set to Robert Sanderson)

15:40:40 <azaroth> Tzviya:  I mentioned this briefly, in HTML structural semantics don't rewflect the issues we have.  H1 is the highest structure, and in books that's nested in many other levels

Tzviya Siegman: I mentioned this briefly, in HTML structural semantics don't rewflect the issues we have. H1 is the highest structure, and in books that's nested in many other levels

15:40:59 <azaroth> ... typically there is part or chapter first, so it would be good to have structure that reflects part and chapter before H1

... typically there is part or chapter first, so it would be good to have structure that reflects part and chapter before H1

15:41:18 <azaroth> ... Chapter is typically labeled H1 and h1 in print would be h2, making it confusing or it gets tagged incorrectly

... Chapter is typically labeled H1 and h1 in print would be h2, making it confusing or it gets tagged incorrectly

15:41:25 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:41:29 <azaroth> ... the highest level gets a div, and then h1 so it's not correct

... the highest level gets a div, and then h1 so it's not correct

15:41:38 <mgylling> ack ivan

Markus Gylling: ack ivan

15:42:07 <azaroth> Ivan: To be technical, there is something called a role attribute which is defined and something HTML5 acks as a possible attribute even if not in the WG

Ivan Herman: To be technical, there is something called a role attribute which is defined and something HTML5 acks as a possible attribute even if not in the WG

15:42:39 <azaroth> ... at first glance this attribute could be used for that, question to Tzviya if that is correct.  It can be put on any element so can give the right semantics

... at first glance this attribute could be used for that, question to Tzviya if that is correct. It can be put on any element so can give the right semantics

15:43:10 <azaroth> ... the problem with this, and where this group may come up with requirements, at the moment the way that html5 defines the possible values that can be used for role is fairly restrictive

... the problem with this, and where this group may come up with requirements, at the moment the way that html5 defines the possible values that can be used for role is fairly restrictive

15:43:18 <azaroth> Markus: it's only aria

Markus Gylling: it's only aria

15:43:39 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

15:43:46 <azaroth> Ivan:  Where we would go with the requirement would be to have some sort of mechanism whereby the allowed values could be extended in view of this requirement

Ivan Herman: Where we would go with the requirement would be to have some sort of mechanism whereby the allowed values could be extended in view of this requirement

15:43:55 <azaroth> ... that might be one way of solving the issue, if I understand

... that might be one way of solving the issue, if I understand

15:44:07 <azaroth> Tzviya:  I think roles could be appropriate if able to be extended

Tzviya Siegman: I think roles could be appropriate if able to be extended

15:44:24 <azaroth> Markus:  We just need an agreement on what to use. Could be rdfa or microdata etc. At the moment a big ?

Markus Gylling: We just need an agreement on what to use. Could be rdfa or microdata etc. At the moment a big ?

15:44:33 <azaroth> Ivan: FOr other reasons rdfa not appropriate

Ivan Herman: FOr other reasons rdfa not appropriate

15:44:43 <azaroth> Markus:  No need to discuss solutions, just to make sure use case is clear

Markus Gylling: No need to discuss solutions, just to make sure use case is clear

15:44:50 <azaroth> ... Need to answer the question why you want to do this

... Need to answer the question why you want to do this

15:45:19 <azaroth> ... GOtten that back from html WG before -- need to understand why you want to do this, so need to document extra reasons

... GOtten that back from html WG before -- need to understand why you want to do this, so need to document extra reasons

15:45:27 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

15:45:33 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf

Ivan Herman: ack Bill_Kasdorf

15:45:33 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf

Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf

15:45:53 <azaroth> Bill_Kasdorf:  Quick comment -- one side is the semantic, the other side is the implied structure of the document starting with H1

Bill Kasdorf: Quick comment -- one side is the semantic, the other side is the implied structure of the document starting with H1

15:46:11 <azaroth> ... as pointed out publishers want to define structure outside of the H* structure.  Not just semantic.

... as pointed out publishers want to define structure outside of the H* structure. Not just semantic.

15:46:26 <azaroth> Markus:  Gets interesting quickly, eg glossaries and dictionaries and relations that have meaning

Markus Gylling: Gets interesting quickly, eg glossaries and dictionaries and relations that have meaning

15:46:38 <azaroth> ... descendants can have implied or explicit semantics depending on their parents.

... descendants can have implied or explicit semantics depending on their parents.

15:47:10 <azaroth> ... Don't think it's a fair request to expect html5/svg to incorporate domain specific rules natively Need to have extensibility independent of the core specs

... Don't think it's a fair request to expect html5/svg to incorporate domain specific rules natively Need to have extensibility independent of the core specs

15:47:23 <azaroth> ... No one else on queue, so no more questions?

... No one else on queue, so no more questions?

15:47:35 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

15:47:49 <azaroth> ... Again, request to update, and willing to work with you on it.

... Again, request to update, and willing to work with you on it.

15:48:02 <ivan> scribe: tzviya

(Scribe set to Tzviya Siegman)

15:48:18 <ivan> Subtopic: social reading

1.3. social reading

15:48:42 <tzviya> Rob: social reading use cases

Robert Sanderson: social reading use cases

15:48:55 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

15:49:07 <tzviya> .....four basic and simple use cases

.....four basic and simple use cases

15:49:30 <tzviya> ... http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Basic_1 a simple comment made by a user

... http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Basic_1 a simple comment made by a user

15:50:00 <tzviya> ...may wish to make the comment public

...may wish to make the comment public

15:50:09 <tzviya> comments are mostly for identity

comments are mostly for identity

15:50:34 <tzviya> ...use case 2 http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Basic_2 for tagging "this is mine"

...use case 2 http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Anno_Basic_2 for tagging "this is mine"

15:51:07 <tzviya> ... use case 3 structured comment, review for quality

... use case 3 structured comment, review for quality

15:51:49 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:52:02 <tzviya> ... use case 4 - private comment, not for public platform but does need to go from one device to another

... use case 4 - private comment, not for public platform but does need to go from one device to another

15:52:09 <fjh> q+

Frederick Hirsch: q+

15:52:12 <tzviya> ...such as from my nook to my ipadf

...such as from my nook to my ipad

15:52:22 <mgylling> ack ivan

Markus Gylling: ack ivan

15:52:34 <tzviya> s/ipadf/ipad
15:52:46 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky

Zakim IRC Bot: -JeanKaplansky

15:53:06 <tzviya> ivan: refer only to open annotations

Ivan Herman: refer only to open annotations

15:53:42 <tzviya> ...open annotations does not define all the technical mechanisms for porting data (for example)

...open annotations does not define all the technical mechanisms for porting data (for example)

15:54:11 <tzviya> ...something like that is probably necessary.

...something like that is probably necessary.

15:54:36 <tzviya> ...this requirement goes way beyond OA and may involve many other groups

...this requirement goes way beyond OA and may involve many other groups

15:55:05 <tzviya> Rob: agreed. Relevant groups need to be filled out. The list could be very long

Robert Sanderson: agreed. Relevant groups need to be filled out. The list could be very long

15:55:32 <tzviya> ...Could pull in SVG and media fragments or assume by reference

...Could pull in SVG and media fragments or assume by reference

15:56:31 <tzviya> Ivan: we should take one of simpler use cases and people who have worked on this should do thought experiment to determine what is needed

Ivan Herman: we should take one of simpler use cases and people who have worked on this should do thought experiment to determine what is needed

15:56:55 <mgylling> ack fjh

Markus Gylling: ack fjh

15:57:45 <tzviya> Frederick: we need to understand that some things are external.

Frederick Hirsch: we need to understand that some things are external.

15:58:15 <tzviya> ...It would help use cases to understand what has been done already and what needs to be done.

...It would help use cases to understand what has been done already and what needs to be done.

15:58:36 <tzviya> ...we need to narrow scope because this is such a broad area

...we need to narrow scope because this is such a broad area

15:59:01 <tzviya> Rob: OA group has some implementation experience.

Robert Sanderson: OA group has some implementation experience.

15:59:26 <tzviya> ...Scope question - are we talking about annotating EPUB or web?

...Scope question - are we talking about annotating EPUB or web?

15:59:45 <tzviya> ...being more specific would be helpful

...being more specific would be helpful

16:00:22 <fjh> +1 to considering web as part of the scope

Frederick Hirsch: +1 to considering web as part of the scope

16:00:31 <tzviya> ...internal/external question - approach in dpub should not be just internal to publication, but approach whole web (IMO)

...internal/external question - approach in dpub should not be just internal to publication, but approach whole web (IMO)

16:00:56 <tzviya> markus: agreed. Approach the whole web. We are looking to bridge the gap

Markus Gylling: agreed. Approach the whole web. We are looking to bridge the gap

16:01:01 <azaroth> +1 to bridging

Robert Sanderson: +1 to bridging

16:01:27 <tzviya> Markus: ask Rob to continue adding use cases

Markus Gylling: ask Rob to continue adding use cases

16:01:49 <ivan> Topic: future issues

2. future issues

16:01:59 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

16:02:04 <Zakim> -fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh

16:02:06 <tzviya> ...if have use cases, talk to Markus or Madi

...if have use cases, talk to Markus or Madi

16:02:07 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

16:02:09 <Zakim> -Bernard

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bernard

16:02:11 <Zakim> -plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: -plinss

16:02:16 <karen_> meeting adjourned

Karen Myers: meeting adjourned

16:02:17 <Zakim> -Vlad

Zakim IRC Bot: -Vlad

16:02:21 <karen_> +1 Tzviya

Karen Myers: +1 Tzviya

16:02:26 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bill_Kasdorf

16:02:28 <Zakim> -Tsviya

Zakim IRC Bot: -Tsviya

16:02:29 <Zakim> -Bert

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16:02:30 <Zakim> -mgylling

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16:02:33 <karen_> rrsagent, draft minutes

Karen Myers: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:02:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-dpub-minutes.html karen_

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16:02:33 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

16:02:46 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen_Myers

16:02:50 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

16:02:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sharad

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sharad

16:02:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bernard, Sharad, Bert, azaroth, mgylling, tzviya, fjh, karen_, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bernard, Sharad, Bert, azaroth, mgylling, tzviya, fjh, karen_, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, plinss, sandro

16:03:28 <ivan> trackbot, stop telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, stop telcon

16:03:28 <trackbot> Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

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16:03:37 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon

16:03:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:03:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tsviya, azaroth, Ivan, mgylling, duga, Bert, Vlad, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, plinss, Karen_Myers, +1.248.699.aaaa, Sharad, Bernard

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Tsviya, azaroth, Ivan, mgylling, duga, Bert, Vlad, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, JeanKaplansky, plinss, Karen_Myers, +1.248.699.aaaa, Sharad, Bernard

16:03:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:03:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-dpub-minutes.html trackbot

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16:03:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:03:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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