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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 06 August 2013

Seen
Bert Bos, Frederick Hirsch, George Kerscher, Hajar Sigarchian, Ivan Herman, Jean Kaplansky, Karen Myers, Liam Quin, Madi Solomon, Markus Gylling, Miel Vander Sande, Peter Linss, Robert Sanderson, Robert Sanderson, Seth SL, Sharad Garg, Thierry Michel, Tom De Nies, Tyng-Ruey Chuang, Tyng-Ruey Chuang
Guests
Karen Myers, Robert Sanderson, Tyng-Ruey Chuang, Jean Kaplansky, Seth SL, Hajar Sigarchian
Chair
Markus Gylling
Scribe
Karen Myers
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
<sandro> Guest: Karen Myers
<sandro> Guest: Robert (azaroth) Sanderson
<sandro> Guest: Tyng-Ruey (trc) Chuang
<sandro> Guest: Jean Kaplansky
<sandro> Guest: Seth SL
<sandro> Guest: Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian
13:58:07 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-irc

13:58:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 61

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs 61

13:58:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub_ig

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub_ig

13:58:11 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

13:58:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
13:58:12 <trackbot> Date: 06 August 2013
13:58:58 <ivan> zakim, this will be digpub

Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be digpub

13:58:58 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan

14:01:18 <ivan> zakim, this will be dpub

Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be dpub

14:01:18 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes

14:04:00 <ivan> RRSagent, set log public

Ivan Herman: RRSagent, set log public

14:32:14 <azaroth> Good morning all :)

(No events recorded for 28 minutes)

Robert Sanderson: Good morning all :)

14:32:46 <azaroth> Call is in 30 minutes, yes?

Robert Sanderson: Call is in 30 minutes, yes?

14:35:18 <liam> welcome, azaroth

Liam Quin: welcome, azaroth

14:36:40 <azaroth> Thanks Liam!

Robert Sanderson: Thanks Liam!

14:56:32 <madi> Hello!

(No events recorded for 19 minutes)

Madi Solomon: Hello!

14:57:06 <mgylling> madi, hi

Markus Gylling: madi, hi

14:57:40 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started

14:57:42 <Zakim> + +1.212.389.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.212.389.aaaa

14:57:59 <Zakim> - +1.212.389.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.212.389.aaaa

14:58:01 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended

14:58:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.212.389.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.212.389.aaaa

14:58:14 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

14:58:14 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

14:58:15 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started

14:58:16 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

14:58:47 <Zakim> +mgylling

Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling

14:58:51 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

14:58:52 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

14:58:59 <Zakim> + +1.505.665.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.505.665.aaaa

14:59:26 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is azaroth

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is azaroth

14:59:27 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it

15:00:32 <madi> must change phones.  Can't use Skype to dial in, no credit.  Odd.

Madi Solomon: must change phones. Can't use Skype to dial in, no credit. Odd.

15:00:33 <Zakim> + +88626614aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +88626614aabb

15:01:11 <Zakim> +Bert

Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert

15:01:14 <Zakim> + +1.212.389.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.212.389.aacc

15:01:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:01:20 <Zakim> + +329331aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aadd

15:01:28 <karen_> zakim, IPcaller is Karen

Karen Myers: zakim, IPcaller is Karen

15:01:28 <Zakim> +Karen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen; got it

15:01:31 <Zakim> +plinss

Zakim IRC Bot: +plinss

15:01:34 <TomDN> Zakim, +32 is me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, +32 is me

15:01:34 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it

15:01:37 <karen_> Chair: Markus Gylling
15:01:39 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:01:39 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:01:41 <karen_> Scribe: Karen

(Scribe set to Karen Myers)

15:01:56 <trc> Hi, this is Tyng-Ruey Chuang. Nick trc.

Tyng-Ruey Chuang: Hi, this is Tyng-Ruey Chuang. Nick trc.

15:02:03 <TomDN> Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN

Tom De Nies: Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN

15:02:04 <Zakim> +Hajar; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Hajar; got it

15:02:04 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

15:02:05 <Zakim> +Madi

Zakim IRC Bot: +Madi

15:02:08 <ivan> zakim, aabb is trc

Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is trc

15:02:08 <Zakim> +trc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +trc; got it

15:02:16 <TomDN> Zakim, mielvds is with TomDN

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mielvds is with TomDN

15:02:16 <Zakim> +mielvds; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mielvds; got it

15:02:20 <tmichel> zakim, ??P25 is me

Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P25 is me

15:02:20 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it

15:02:24 <Zakim> +George_Kerscher

Zakim IRC Bot: +George_Kerscher

15:02:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

15:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher

15:02:32 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

15:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

15:03:26 <Zakim> + +1.503.456.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.503.456.aaee

15:03:40 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

15:04:25 <karen_> zakim, 1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy

zakim, 1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy

15:04:25 <Zakim> I don't understand '1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy', karen_

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy', karen_

15:04:35 <Zakim> + +1.518.581.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.581.aaff

15:04:39 <ivan> zakim, aaccc is SethSL

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaccc is SethSL

15:04:39 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaccc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaccc'

15:04:46 <mgylling> Zakim, aacc is SethSL

Markus Gylling: Zakim, aacc is SethSL

15:04:46 <Zakim> +SethSL; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SethSL; got it

15:04:48 <SethSL> 212.389 is me... SethSL = Seth Seigel-Laddy

Seth SL: 212.389 is me... SethSL = Seth Seigel-Laddy

15:05:02 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

15:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff

15:05:05 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

15:05:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

15:05:39 <mgylling> Zakim, aaff is Jean Kaplansky

Markus Gylling: Zakim, aaff is Jean Kaplansky

15:05:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaff is Jean Kaplansky', mgylling

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aaff is Jean Kaplansky', mgylling

15:06:17 <ivan> zakim, aaee is Sharad

Ivan Herman: zakim, aaee is Sharad

15:06:17 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad; got it

15:06:56 <mgylling> zakim, aaff is JeanKaplansky

Markus Gylling: zakim, aaff is JeanKaplansky

15:06:56 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky; got it

15:07:20 <karen_> Ivan: handing chair back to Markus

Ivan Herman: handing chair back to Markus

15:07:22 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is noisy?

15:07:22 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?

Markus Gylling: zakim, who is noisy?

15:07:32 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (35%), Ivan (29%)

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (35%), Ivan (29%)

15:07:43 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (34%), trc (4%), Bert (6%), Ivan (36%)

Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (34%), trc (4%), Bert (6%), Ivan (36%)

15:07:59 <karen_> Markus: Welcome everybody to the first get together of this interest group

Markus Gylling: Welcome everybody to the first get together of this interest group

15:08:08 <karen_> ...Yesterday I sent out the agenda

...Yesterday I sent out the agenda

15:08:13 <karen_> ...Today is a lot about logistics

...Today is a lot about logistics

15:08:20 <karen_> ...Great to see a good number already

...Great to see a good number already

15:08:34 <karen_> ...We will be talking later, both chairs and W3C staff

...We will be talking later, both chairs and W3C staff

15:08:43 <karen_> ...to encourage members to show up over the next months

...to encourage members to show up over the next months

15:08:55 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

15:08:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky

15:08:55 <karen_> ...Today we thought we would go around the table to introduce ourselves briefly

...Today we thought we would go around the table to introduce ourselves briefly

15:08:57 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

15:08:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

15:09:02 <karen_> ...We will also go through the charter

...We will also go through the charter

15:09:11 <karen_> ...for clarities, what charter is asking us to do by when

...for clarities, what charter is asking us to do by when

15:09:18 <karen_> ...So we don't discuss scope later on

...So we don't discuss scope later on

15:09:23 <karen_> ...it should be clear from the start

...it should be clear from the start

15:09:40 <karen_> ...We'll talk about telcos and which face-to-face meetings

...We'll talk about telcos and which face-to-face meetings

15:09:44 <karen_> ...Also talk about group extensions

...Also talk about group extensions

15:09:49 <karen_> ...and talk about the work methodology

...and talk about the work methodology

15:10:05 <karen_> ...where we see ourselves starting and going about the work in the initial part of the chart

...where we see ourselves starting and going about the work in the initial part of the chart

15:10:15 <karen_> ...Does anyone have any additional agenda items to add?

...Does anyone have any additional agenda items to add?

15:10:19 <karen_> ...Ok, introductions

...Ok, introductions

15:10:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:10:31 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] lis me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] lis me

15:10:31 <Zakim> I don't understand '[IPcaller] lis me', fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '[IPcaller] lis me', fjh

15:10:35 <karen_> ...My suggestion is that we do introductions in alphabetical order as seen on irc

...My suggestion is that we do introductions in alphabetical order as seen on irc

15:10:42 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is fjh

Ivan Herman: zakim, IPcaller is fjh

15:10:42 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it

15:10:46 <karen_> Frederick Hirsch: sorry to be late

Frederick Hirsch: sorry to be late

15:10:50 <karen_> Markus: Ok

Markus Gylling: Ok

15:10:51 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

15:10:51 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

15:10:55 <fjh> zakim, who is here?

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here?

15:10:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh

15:10:59 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds

15:10:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro

15:11:10 <karen_> Rob @ at Los Alamos National Lab

Rob @ at Los Alamos National Lab

15:11:32 <karen_> Azaroth: interest in W3C community group; interest in annotations in epub; also attended February workshop

Robert Sanderson: interest in W3C community group; interest in annotations in epub; also attended February workshop

15:11:44 <karen_> ...very much look forward to working with the group and feel that annotation has a role to play

...very much look forward to working with the group and feel that annotation has a role to play

15:11:50 <karen_> ...for web and for digital publishing arena

...for web and for digital publishing arena

15:11:54 <karen_> Markus: next is Bert

Markus Gylling: next is Bert

15:12:08 <karen_> Bert Bos, W3C: sorry, muted

Bert Bos, W3C: sorry, muted

15:12:18 <karen_> ...I have two roles and why I am here

...I have two roles and why I am here

15:12:25 <karen_> ...one is staff contact for MathML

...one is staff contact for MathML

15:12:33 <karen_> ...standards that are useful for publishing

...standards that are useful for publishing

15:12:42 <karen_> ...other role is staff contact for CSS Working Group

...other role is staff contact for CSS Working Group

15:12:53 <karen_> ...assume there will be requirements coming out of this group to pass along to CSS WG

...assume there will be requirements coming out of this group to pass along to CSS WG

15:13:02 <karen_> Markus: FJH

Markus Gylling: FJH

15:13:09 <karen_> Frederick Hirsch: I work for Nokia

Frederick Hirsch: I work for Nokia

15:13:17 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me

15:13:17 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

15:13:20 <karen_> ...on Open Web Platform; interested in how publishing will evolve

...on Open Web Platform; interested in how publishing will evolve

15:13:27 <karen_> Hajar: I work in @

Hajar Sigarchian: I work in @

15:13:34 <karen_> ...in digital publishing project

...in digital publishing project

15:13:42 <fjh> I chair the W3C Device APIs wg, interested ePub3 as well

Frederick Hirsch: I also chair the W3C Device APIs wg, interested ePub3 as well

15:13:52 <fjh> also chair W3C XML Security WG

Frederick Hirsch: also chair W3C XML Security WG

15:14:01 <karen_> Ivan Herman: Also at W3C, Activity Lead for Digital Publishing and one of staff contacts for this Interest Group

Ivan Herman: Also at W3C, Activity Lead for Digital Publishing and one of staff contacts for this Interest Group

15:14:45 <fjh> s/I chair/I also chair/
15:14:58 <azaroth> Do we have a backup scribe for karen_?

Robert Sanderson: Do we have a backup scribe for karen_?

15:15:06 <karen_> Karen Myers: also with W3C, doing member relations and outreach, organizing digital publishing events for this activity

Karen Myers: also with W3C, doing member relations and outreach, organizing digital publishing events for this activity

15:15:22 <karen_> ...scribing today, but not so much going forward as I will not do the technical work

...scribing today, but not so much going forward as I will not do the technical work

15:15:35 <karen_> Madi Solomon: I am co-chair with Markus of this Interest Group

Madi Solomon: I am co-chair with Markus of this Interest Group

15:15:40 <karen_> ...based in London with Pearson

...based in London with Pearson

15:15:48 <karen_> ...also co-chair of @ Community Group

...also co-chair of @ Community Group

15:15:53 <karen_> ...jumping in with both fee

...jumping in with both fee

15:15:56 <karen_> s/feet

s/feet

15:16:06 <karen_> Markus: Working with Daisy Consortium with George for some time

Markus Gylling: Working with Daisy Consortium with George for some time

15:16:12 <karen_> ...main focus has been accessibility

...main focus has been accessibility

15:16:16 <karen_> ...also working with IDPF

...also working with IDPF

15:16:24 <karen_> ...doing the ePub3 specifications

...doing the ePub3 specifications

15:16:55 <karen_> Mie: I work with semantic web technologies; interest in how this can help digital publishing

Miel Vander Sande: I work with semantic web technologies; interest in how this can help digital publishing

15:17:13 <ivan> s/Mie/Miel/
15:17:17 <karen_> Peter Linss: I work for HP; co-chair of CSS; also co-chairing upcoming dig pub workshop on workflow in Paris

Peter Linss: I work for HP; co-chair of CSS; also co-chairing upcoming dig pub workshop on workflow in Paris

15:17:28 <karen_> Seth Seigel-Laddy: VP and digital services at Scholastic

Seth Seigel-Laddy: VP and digital services at Scholastic

15:17:34 <karen_> ...which is transitioning to epub3

...which is transitioning to epub3

15:17:39 <karen_> ...interested in fixed formats

...interested in fixed formats

15:17:51 <karen_> ...seeing transitions in schools...particularly in speech

...seeing transitions in schools...particularly in speech

15:18:02 <karen_> Sharad: from Intel Corp.

Sharad Garg: from Intel Corp.

15:18:05 <karen_> ...manager of @

...manager of Intel Education

15:18:12 <karen_> ...worked at W3C web services

...worked at W3C web services

15:18:17 <karen_> ...was editor for their requirements doc

...was editor for their requirements doc

15:18:32 <karen_> ...I am interested in digital publshing formats, particularly epub security

...I am interested in digital publshing formats, particularly epub security

15:18:37 <mgylling> s/@/Intel Education/
15:18:41 <karen_> Thierry Michel: I am the other W3C staff contact

Thierry Michel: I am the other W3C staff contact

15:18:46 <karen_> ...based in France

...based in France

15:18:55 <karen_> ...joined from the beginning and organized workshop

...joined from the beginning and organized workshop

15:19:05 <karen_> ...helping you guys to run this group, so please do not hesitate to contact me

...helping you guys to run this group, so please do not hesitate to contact me

15:19:15 <karen_> Tom Denise: I work at iMinds University

Tom De Nies: I work at iMinds - Ghent University

15:19:29 <karen_> ...project we're doing I'm focused on Semantic Web, metadata and provenance

...project we're doing I'm focused on Semantic Web, metadata and provenance

15:19:34 <karen_> ...also member of Provenance WG

...also member of Provenance WG

15:19:40 <karen_> ...interested in what we are going to do here

...interested in what we are going to do here

15:19:44 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:19:44 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:19:52 <karen_> TRC: Academica Sinica

Tyng-Ruey Chuang: Academica Sinica

15:19:55 <Bert> s/Denise/De Nies/
15:20:00 <karen_> ...mostly working on @

...mostly working on @

15:20:18 <karen_> Jeanne Kaplansky, Aptara: solutions architect

Jeanne Kaplansky, Aptara: solutions architect

15:20:18 <TomDN> s/iMinds University/iMinds - Ghent University
15:20:23 <karen_> ...we have interest in W3C standards

...we have interest in W3C standards

15:20:29 <karen_> ...been following since early '90s

...been following since early '90s

15:20:33 <ivan> s/TRC/Tyng-Ruey Chuang/
15:20:34 <karen_> ...sit on indexing group for IDPF

...sit on indexing group for IDPF

15:20:38 <karen_> ...also interested in MathML

...also interested in MathML

15:20:46 <karen_> ...talking about more support for MathML

...talking about more support for MathML

15:20:48 <ivan> s/Denise/De Nies/
15:20:55 <karen_> ...company has great interest in web standards

...company has great interest in web standards

15:20:58 <karen_> ...and web projects

...and web projects

15:21:18 <karen_> George Kirscher: with Daisy Consortium

George Kerscher: with Daisy Consortium

15:21:23 <karen_> ...we're super interested in ePub3

...we're super interested in ePub3

15:21:41 <karen_> ...Daisy Consortium has endorsed ePub3 and we are moving into that domain as systems an authoring tools come into that domain

...Daisy Consortium has endorsed ePub3 and we are moving into that domain as systems an authoring tools come into that domain

15:21:48 <Bert> s/Kirscher/Kerscher/
15:21:57 <karen_> ...hoping in future Daisy Consortium materials will be coming into epub

...hoping in future Daisy Consortium materials will be coming into epub

15:22:09 <karen_> ...moving disability needs into mainstream is goal of ours

...moving disability needs into mainstream is goal of ours

15:22:18 <karen_> ...we have been members of W3C for many years

...we have been members of W3C for many years

15:22:36 <karen_> ...and serve as part of stearing council for Web Accessibility Initiative

...and serve as part of stearing council for Web Accessibility Initiative

15:22:43 <karen_> Markus: anyone who did not introduce themselves?

Markus Gylling: anyone who did not introduce themselves?

15:23:08 <karen_> ...next on agenda is to look at the charter

...next on agenda is to look at the charter

15:23:19 <karen_> ...if there are questions or remarks, suggest we do that now

...if there are questions or remarks, suggest we do that now

15:23:36 <karen_> ...since you joined group, hope you have read the charter

...since you joined group, hope you have read the charter

15:23:43 <karen_> ...in enough detail to understand what the intent is

...in enough detail to understand what the intent is

15:23:52 <karen_> ...it's nice in its compactness

...it's nice in its compactness

15:23:57 <karen_> ...seems pretty clear to me

...seems pretty clear to me

15:24:08 <karen_> ...But will repeat what is obvious

...But will repeat what is obvious

15:24:09 <tmichel> Digital Publishing Interest Group Charter

Thierry Michel: Digital Publishing Interest Group Charter

15:24:10 <tmichel>  http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html

Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html

15:24:18 <karen_> ...it's not a group to create specifications

...it's not a group to create specifications

15:24:22 <karen_> ...but to identify problems

...but to identify problems

15:24:26 <karen_> ...this as many of you know

...this as many of you know

15:24:35 <karen_> ...is a very difficult thing to do with technical people in group

...is a very difficult thing to do with technical people in group

15:24:46 <karen_> ...who want to go into technical design space

...who want to go into technical design space

15:24:56 <karen_> ...Madi and I will push hard so we do not design solutions here

...Madi and I will push hard so we do not design solutions here

15:25:05 <karen_> ...but that said, Ivan, Thierry and Karen correct me if wrong

...but that said, Ivan, Thierry and Karen correct me if wrong

15:25:17 <karen_> ...Looks like one easy way to summarize is that it takes major steps

...Looks like one easy way to summarize is that it takes major steps

15:25:24 <karen_> ...First is the collection of use cases and requirements

...First is the collection of use cases and requirements

15:25:39 <karen_> ...describing all the things that the publishing industry wants to do with the OWP but cannot do yet

...describing all the things that the publishing industry wants to do with the OWP but cannot do yet

15:25:44 <karen_> ...describe the issues and the features

...describe the issues and the features

15:25:55 <karen_> ...The second step of course is once that opus matures

...The second step of course is once that opus matures

15:26:06 <karen_> ...is to start an outreach to the relevant W3C Working Groups

...is to start an outreach to the relevant W3C Working Groups

15:26:13 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:26:16 <karen_> ...and discuss and have an impact about how to address these features

...and discuss and have an impact about how to address these features

15:26:21 <karen_> ...Ivan, Thierry, would you agree?

...Ivan, Thierry, would you agree?

15:26:28 <karen_> ...overly simplistic or did I miss it?

...overly simplistic or did I miss it?

15:26:37 <karen_> Thierry: I think you summarized excellently the scope and deliverables

Thierry Michel: I think you summarized excellently the scope and deliverables

15:26:39 <karen_> ack Ivan

ack Ivan

15:26:46 <karen_> Ivan: I actually do have something to say

Ivan Herman: I actually do have something to say

15:26:53 <karen_> ...one is what you said is absolutely true

...one is what you said is absolutely true

15:27:00 <karen_> ...the reality we have to prepare ourselves with

...the reality we have to prepare ourselves with

15:27:07 <karen_> ...is that if we go to one or more of the Working Groups

...is that if we go to one or more of the Working Groups

15:27:17 <karen_> ...and we have chairs or staff contacts who may react on this

...and we have chairs or staff contacts who may react on this

15:27:29 <karen_> ...You may hear, that is all nice, but we don't have enough people to put it through properly

...You may hear, that is all nice, but we don't have enough people to put it through properly

15:27:38 <karen_> ...We can do that only if you are prepared to do the work

...We can do that only if you are prepared to do the work

15:27:44 <karen_> ...So in practice what that means

...So in practice what that means

15:28:09 <karen_> ...is that either you or a colleague joins a specific group, say CSS, and pushes that item through to completion in the WG

...is that either you or a colleague joins a specific group, say CSS, and pushes that item through to completion in the WG

15:28:11 <fjh> +1

Frederick Hirsch: +1

15:28:16 <karen_> ...I know Peter is here, Bert...

...I know Peter is here, Bert...

15:28:21 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

15:28:23 <karen_> ...this is a realistic expectation, yes?

...this is a realistic expectation, yes?

15:28:27 <karen_> Peter: yes, of course

Peter Linss: yes, of course

15:28:28 <Bert> +1

Bert Bos: +1

15:28:30 <karen_> Ivan: so this is one thing

Ivan Herman: so this is one thing

15:28:35 <karen_> ...the other thing that is in the charter

...the other thing that is in the charter

15:28:45 <karen_> ...it's important, in some sense direction

...it's important, in some sense direction

15:28:52 <karen_> ...feedback we got from the publishing industry

...feedback we got from the publishing industry

15:29:03 <karen_> ...is that it is very difficult to find your way through the maze of W3C recommendations

...is that it is very difficult to find your way through the maze of W3C recommendations

15:29:15 <karen_> ...and to find out which ones are relevant to digital publishing industry

...and to find out which ones are relevant to digital publishing industry

15:29:31 <karen_> ...so we should produce a prioritized list of W3C specifications that the digital publishing industry should know about

...so we should produce a prioritized list of W3C specifications that the digital publishing industry should know about

15:29:38 <karen_> ...that is a parallel work that is also important

...that is a parallel work that is also important

15:29:56 <karen_> ...Third one again, we got a lot of feedback from industry that interoperability of ebook readers is a problem

...Third one again, we got a lot of feedback from industry that interoperability of ebook readers is a problem

15:30:01 <karen_> ...even if they rely on Webkit

...even if they rely on Webkit

15:30:15 <karen_> ...to improve that, this community should also be in position to add test cases to overall work on testing

...to improve that, this community should also be in position to add test cases to overall work on testing

15:30:20 <karen_> ...being done at W3C right now

...being done at W3C right now

15:30:24 <karen_> ...So that of course

...So that of course

15:30:45 <Zakim> -Karen

Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen

15:31:19 <Bert> mgylling: See sect 2 in cgharter with deliverables.

Markus Gylling: See sect 2 in cgharter with deliverables. [ Scribe Assist by Bert Bos ]

15:31:34 <Bert> ... Develop reqs.

Bert Bos: ... Develop reqs.

15:31:53 <fjh> Ivan: hard to find way through maze of w3c specs to find what is relevant, - need to produce list of w3c specs digitial publishing industry needs to know about, additional deliverable

Ivan Herman: hard to find way through maze of w3c specs to find what is relevant, - need to produce list of w3c specs digitial publishing industry needs to know about, additional deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Frederick Hirsch ]

15:31:53 <Bert> ... with help from W3C [noise] specifications involved.

Bert Bos: ... with help from W3C [noise] specifications involved.

15:31:53 <fjh> Ivan: interoperability of ebook readers is a problem, even if rely on webkit etc ; community needs to be able to add test cases to test cases being developed at w3c, another deliverable

Ivan Herman: interoperability of ebook readers is a problem, even if rely on webkit etc ; community needs to be able to add test cases to test cases being developed at w3c, another deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Frederick Hirsch ]

15:32:02 <ivan> ack azaroth

Ivan Herman: ack azaroth

15:32:09 <ivan> scribe ivan:

Ivan Herman: scribe ivan:

15:32:15 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers

15:32:27 <ivan> azaroth: the open annotation is on a community group

Robert Sanderson: the open annotation is on a community group [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ]

15:32:38 <ivan> … does that have an impact

Ivan Herman: … does that have an impact

15:33:05 <ivan> scribe: kmyers
15:33:09 <kmyers> @: question is

@: question is

15:33:29 <kmyers> ...is there an impact on the community group to be beneficial to the IG

...is there an impact on the community group to be beneficial to the IG

15:33:36 <kmyers> ...should we be forming a WG within time frame so that documents can be referenced

...should we be forming a WG within time frame so that documents can be referenced

15:33:46 <kmyers> Ivan: I would look at that in general framework of priority

Ivan Herman: I would look at that in general framework of priority

15:33:52 <kmyers> ...of what technologies come up

...of what technologies come up

15:34:05 <kmyers> ...Madi and Markus will have to set up and how annotation fits into this

...Madi and Markus will have to set up and how annotation fits into this

15:34:24 <kmyers> ...at the moment, I would not make a difference between certain issues being controlled by CG or IG

...at the moment, I would not make a difference between certain issues being controlled by CG or IG

15:34:29 <kmyers> ...or to the MathML group for example

...or to the MathML group for example

15:34:34 <kmyers> ...the way you handle it is different

...the way you handle it is different

15:34:45 <kmyers> ...different structure, but I think they should look at the issues the same way

...different structure, but I think they should look at the issues the same way

15:34:47 <azaroth> q-

Robert Sanderson: q-

15:34:52 <kmyers> ...does that answer:

...does that answer:

15:34:52 <kmyers> @: yes

@: yes

15:34:54 <ivan> acl waves

Ivan Herman: acl waves

15:34:56 <azaroth> q-

Robert Sanderson: q-

15:34:58 <kmyers> Markus: yes, I agree with that as well

Markus Gylling: yes, I agree with that as well

15:35:04 <ivan> ack waves

Ivan Herman: ack waves

15:35:05 <kmyers> ...I don't see why this group should offer differences

...I don't see why this group should offer differences

15:35:17 <kmyers> Markus: should not matter

Markus Gylling: should not matter

15:35:35 <kmyers> Ivan: connection comes and goes

Ivan Herman: connection comes and goes

15:35:39 <kmyers> Markus: Let's see...

Markus Gylling: Let's see...

15:35:58 <kmyers> ...only thing I wanted to ask about in the deliverables section is the contributions to the tesing efforts

...only thing I wanted to ask about in the deliverables section is the contributions to the tesing efforts

15:36:17 <kmyers> ...sounds like it is going to be difficult in some cases; maybe that is not an issue

...sounds like it is going to be difficult in some cases; maybe that is not an issue

15:36:21 <kmyers> ...let's say for example

...let's say for example

15:36:32 <kmyers> ...in describing what the digpub industry needs in pagination in CSS

...in describing what the digpub industry needs in pagination in CSS

15:36:44 <kmyers> ...primarily is use cases and functional requirements for pagination

...primarily is use cases and functional requirements for pagination

15:36:50 <kmyers> ...maybe stratified in feature set

...maybe stratified in feature set

15:37:01 <kmyers> ...but there will be an overall declarative use case that describes what is needed

...but there will be an overall declarative use case that describes what is needed

15:37:12 <kmyers> ...but no way to test for that because there is no syntax to use

...but no way to test for that because there is no syntax to use

15:37:24 <kmyers> ...I think this is going to be quite common

...I think this is going to be quite common

15:37:24 <kmyers> ...Just want to be clear

...Just want to be clear

15:37:33 <kmyers> ...that expecation is that we are not hard core test writers

...that expecation is that we are not hard core test writers

15:37:42 <kmyers> Ivan: yes, that is to be done as part of the work of the group

Ivan Herman: yes, that is to be done as part of the work of the group

15:37:51 <kmyers> ...the issue here that I had in mind is slightly different

...the issue here that I had in mind is slightly different

15:38:04 <kmyers> ...Let's forget about the case when there is a specification that has to be developed

...Let's forget about the case when there is a specification that has to be developed

15:38:11 <kmyers> ...and take case when specification that is already there

...and take case when specification that is already there

15:38:18 <kmyers> ...take CSS example on text declaration

...take CSS example on text declaration

15:38:38 <kmyers> ...which as I scan through has detailed specifications on underlines in other langages

...which as I scan through has detailed specifications on underlines in other langages

15:38:48 <kmyers> ...this has to be thoroughly tested

...this has to be thoroughly tested

15:38:53 <kmyers> ...more than others

...more than others

15:38:59 <kmyers> ...therefore there are some corner or special cases

...therefore there are some corner or special cases

15:39:12 <Bert> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-css-text-decor-3-20130801/ CR of CSS Text Decoration

Bert Bos: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-css-text-decor-3-20130801/ CR of CSS Text Decoration

15:39:12 <kmyers> ...that this group knows more about how to test than the average browser manufacturers

...that this group knows more about how to test than the average browser manufacturers

15:39:27 <kmyers> ...so this group can produce additional test cases that the browser manufacturer may not care about

...so this group can produce additional test cases that the browser manufacturer may not care about

15:39:39 <kmyers> ...Bert and Peter, I am getting into your area, but hope what I am saying makes sense

...Bert and Peter, I am getting into your area, but hope what I am saying makes sense

15:39:44 <kmyers> Bert: yes, it does

Bert Bos: yes, it does

15:40:05 <kmyers> Ivan: So group makes sure that the test environment is as thorough and exhaustive, taking care of specificities

Ivan Herman: So group makes sure that the test environment is as thorough and exhaustive, taking care of specificities

15:40:25 <kmyers> Markus: again, two major steps

Markus Gylling: again, two major steps

15:40:28 <kmyers> ...would happen during the later phase when we start engaging with the other Working Groups

...would happen during the later phase when we start engaging with the other Working Groups

15:40:35 <kmyers> ...we have 20 minutes left

...we have 20 minutes left

15:40:41 <kmyers> ...in terms of the charter, speeding up here

...in terms of the charter, speeding up here

15:40:47 <kmyers> ...you have seen the timelines

...you have seen the timelines

15:40:54 <kmyers> ...are there any questions or remarks? Is it clear?

...are there any questions or remarks? Is it clear?

15:41:05 <kmyers> ...Ok

...Ok

15:41:05 <kmyers> ...Let me ask you this

...Let me ask you this

15:41:19 <kmyers> ...Are there any questions or remarks on the charter as a whole that you would like to ask about?

...Are there any questions or remarks on the charter as a whole that you would like to ask about?

15:41:19 <kmyers> ...Moving on then

...Moving on then

15:41:26 <kmyers> ...Quickly about logistics

...Quickly about logistics

15:41:32 <kmyers> ...Karen is kindly taking minutes

...Karen is kindly taking minutes

15:41:49 <kmyers> ...but may be only meeting; in following meetings we will ask for volunteer scribes

...but may be only meeting; in following meetings we will ask for volunteer scribes

15:42:06 <kmyers> ...Madi and I would be grateful if you cannot scribe so we exclude you from the rotating scheme

...Madi and I would be grateful if you cannot scribe so we exclude you from the rotating scheme

15:42:14 <kmyers> ...We'll have a page pointing to that list that we will rotate through

...We'll have a page pointing to that list that we will rotate through

15:42:29 <kmyers> ...Agendas and minutes will be collected from the Interest Group's home page

...Agendas and minutes will be collected from the Interest Group's home page

15:42:48 <kmyers> ...the agenda will be published via email

...the agenda will be published via email

15:42:48 <kmyers> ...Minutes as always will be published through the W3C minuting system

...Minutes as always will be published through the W3C minuting system

15:43:02 <kmyers> ...And we will collect the URLs of the agenda and published minutes and put them on the home page

...And we will collect the URLs of the agenda and published minutes and put them on the home page

15:43:16 <kmyers> ...The chairs of course will publish agenda at least 24 hours in advance of meeting

...The chairs of course will publish agenda at least 24 hours in advance of meeting

15:43:22 <kmyers> ...These will be draft agendas

...These will be draft agendas

15:43:40 <kmyers> ...So if you have an agenda item to be discussed, please let us know a few days before meeting

...So if you have an agenda item to be discussed, please let us know a few days before meeting

15:43:49 <kmyers> ...We'll try to get it in depending about how packed it is

...We'll try to get it in depending about how packed it is

15:43:52 <kmyers> ...Anything else?

...Anything else?

15:43:58 <kmyers> Thierry: no

Thierry Michel: no

15:44:09 <kmyers> Markus: For time being, we are intending to stay with the day and time we are on now

Markus Gylling: For time being, we are intending to stay with the day and time we are on now

15:44:17 <kmyers> ...If going forward group finds this problematic

...If going forward group finds this problematic

15:44:28 <kmyers> ...but for now, please reserve Tuesdays at 15:00UTC each week

...but for now, please reserve Tuesdays at 15:00UTC each week

15:44:30 <kmyers> ...Emailing lists

...Emailing lists

15:44:33 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Main_Page

Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Main_Page

15:44:40 <kmyers> ...There are ones that the IG should be aware of

...There are ones that the IG should be aware of

15:44:47 <tmichel> see mailing lists deatails

Thierry Michel: see mailing lists deatails

15:44:48 <kmyers> ...First one is the one where you got your agenda invite

...First one is the one where you got your agenda invite

15:44:54 <kmyers> ...Also a second list

...Also a second list

15:44:58 <kmyers> ...which is not world visible

...which is not world visible

15:45:13 <kmyers> ...agenda is readable by world but writable by IG members

...agenda is readable by world but writable by IG members

15:45:20 <kmyers> ...also one only for IG members

...also one only for IG members

15:45:39 <kmyers> ...and also a comment list that is world visible

...and also a comment list that is world visible

15:45:50 <kmyers> ...These are all available at the lists.w3.org site

...These are all available at the lists.w3.org site

15:46:18 <kmyers> Ivan: Pointers to the archives are all listed on the wiki page

Ivan Herman: Pointers to the archives are all listed on the wiki page

15:46:18 <kmyers> ...on right hand side

...on right hand side

15:46:24 <kmyers> Markus: so the default list in short term is same email list as agenda

Markus Gylling: so the default list in short term is same email list as agenda

15:46:30 <kmyers> ...next topic

...next topic

15:46:36 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/

Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/

15:46:50 <kmyers> ...We have a faceto-face meeting planned at the TPAC [Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee Meeting] in China

...We have a faceto-face meeting planned at the TPAC [Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee Meeting] in China

15:46:51 <tmichel> registration for TPAC now open

Thierry Michel: registration for TPAC now open

15:47:02 <kmyers> ...hopefully we can show early drafts of corpus of requirements that we are working on

...hopefully we can show early drafts of corpus of requirements that we are working on

15:47:08 <kmyers> ...Thierry, Ivan should we say here

...Thierry, Ivan should we say here

15:47:16 <kmyers> ...express a recommendation about people getting here

...express a recommendation about people getting here

15:47:24 <kmyers> Ivan: It's important to register to the meeting as soon as possible

Ivan Herman: It's important to register to the meeting as soon as possible

15:47:35 <kmyers> ...A lot of people will be there form different groups

...A lot of people will be there form different groups

15:47:45 <kmyers> ...Thierry put TPAC page in the minutes

...Thierry put TPAC page in the minutes

15:47:54 <kmyers> ...also there is information about getting a visa to China

...also there is information about getting a visa to China

15:48:00 <kmyers> ...so please register as soon as you can

...so please register as soon as you can

15:48:05 <kmyers> Markus: thank you

Markus Gylling: thank you

15:48:14 <kmyers> ...any questions about logistics, telcons, lists, F2F meetings?

...any questions about logistics, telcons, lists, F2F meetings?

15:48:20 <kmyers> @: how often are the telcons?

@: how often are the telcons?

15:48:35 <kmyers> @: if we are not traveling internationally, will there be any options for remote attendance?

@: if we are not traveling internationally, will there be any options for remote attendance?

15:48:46 <kmyers> Ivan: we usually have possibility to dial into f2f meeting in Shenzhen

Ivan Herman: we usually have possibility to dial into f2f meeting in Shenzhen

15:49:05 <kmyers> ...we will know figures closer to meeting, but cannot change the time difference

...we will know figures closer to meeting, but cannot change the time difference

15:49:13 <kmyers> @: clearly, midnight is midnight

Jean Kaplansky: clearly, midnight is midnight

15:49:20 <ivan> s/@/Jean/
15:49:23 <kmyers> ...to whom should we contact if we cannot travel?

...to whom should we contact if we cannot travel?

15:49:32 <kmyers> Ivan: If you don't register, you don't register

Ivan Herman: If you don't register, you don't register

15:49:34 <kmyers> ...action is needed for those who do come

...action is needed for those who do come

15:49:57 <kmyers> Ivan: that may be a good idea to set up information for phone

Ivan Herman: that may be a good idea to set up information for phone

15:50:12 <kmyers> Markus: in terms of group membership

Markus Gylling: in terms of group membership

15:50:27 <kmyers> ...as I mentioned, there is work on-going with groups and co-chairs with stakeholders

...as I mentioned, there is work on-going with groups and co-chairs with stakeholders

15:50:30 <kmyers> ...as that progresses

...as that progresses

15:50:39 <kmyers> ...no time to list all the names of organizations and people

...no time to list all the names of organizations and people

15:50:56 <kmyers> ...we would like to encourage you all to think about organizations and companies that you believe should be on this interest group

...we would like to encourage you all to think about organizations and companies that you believe should be on this interest group

15:51:14 <kmyers> ...If you come up with any, please contact us and the W3C staff reps and we'll discuss strategies to invite and get them to participate

...If you come up with any, please contact us and the W3C staff reps and we'll discuss strategies to invite and get them to participate

15:51:27 <kmyers> ...this is an historic opportunity for digital publishing industry to harmonize with W3C

...this is an historic opportunity for digital publishing industry to harmonize with W3C

15:51:36 <kmyers> ...would not be good not to get the right people at the table

...would not be good not to get the right people at the table

15:51:44 <kmyers> ...let us know of anyone you think should join

...let us know of anyone you think should join

15:51:52 <kmyers> ...any questions about recruitment and membership

...any questions about recruitment and membership

15:52:01 <kmyers> ...Ok...work methodology

...Ok...work methodology

15:52:06 <kmyers> zakim, take up next agendum

zakim, take up next agendum

15:52:06 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda

Zakim IRC Bot: I see nothing on the agenda

15:52:16 <kmyers> ...there are many ways to gather corpus and use cases

...there are many ways to gather corpus and use cases

15:52:39 <kmyers> ...has been done many times in W3C before, so we are not expected to take a revolutionary new approach

...has been done many times in W3C before, so we are not expected to take a revolutionary new approach

15:52:52 <kmyers> ...one of key things is having right stakeholders at the table

...one of key things is having right stakeholders at the table

15:53:05 <kmyers> ...risk that we may be understaffed in certain areas depending upon who joins group

...risk that we may be understaffed in certain areas depending upon who joins group

15:53:16 <kmyers> ...Second observation is that this is a huge field with many different aspects

...Second observation is that this is a huge field with many different aspects

15:53:33 <kmyers> ...Likely we won't go through a single thread but multiple as we go through requirements gathering

...Likely we won't go through a single thread but multiple as we go through requirements gathering

15:53:44 <kmyers> ...Some members here interested in pagination; others interested in metadata

...Some members here interested in pagination; others interested in metadata

15:53:52 <kmyers> ...those are two communities with different expertise

...those are two communities with different expertise

15:54:03 <kmyers> ...makes no sense to do in serial but rather in parallel fashion

...makes no sense to do in serial but rather in parallel fashion

15:54:14 <kmyers> ...so we will need to devise way to do things simultaneously

...so we will need to devise way to do things simultaneously

15:54:22 <kmyers> ...We may choose certain meetings for certain themes

...We may choose certain meetings for certain themes

15:54:32 <kmyers> ...or we may have certain chunks for each meeting

...or we may have certain chunks for each meeting

15:54:36 <kmyers> ...that remains to be seen

...that remains to be seen

15:54:47 <kmyers> ...based on where the largest number of stakeholders are doing work

...based on where the largest number of stakeholders are doing work

15:54:56 <kmyers> ...What we have been thinking about the corpus of requirements

...What we have been thinking about the corpus of requirements

15:55:02 <kmyers> ...is an initial taxonomy

...is an initial taxonomy

15:55:14 <kmyers> ...of problem or issue areas that we should be filling in

...of problem or issue areas that we should be filling in

15:55:23 <kmyers> ...Layout would be one such category with pagination and int'l

...Layout would be one such category with pagination and int'l

15:55:33 <kmyers> ...Metadata is another with publication level vs microdata

...Metadata is another with publication level vs microdata

15:55:34 <kmyers> ...and so on

...and so on

15:55:47 <kmyers> ...Idea is that the first thing this group does is to set out the first version of the problem areas

...Idea is that the first thing this group does is to set out the first version of the problem areas

15:55:50 <kmyers> ...and then from there on

...and then from there on

15:55:59 <kmyers> ...move into them and start to populate them with the requirements

...move into them and start to populate them with the requirements

15:56:07 <kmyers> ...This is a way for us to provide structure to the work

...This is a way for us to provide structure to the work

15:56:16 <kmyers> ...and to see where work is progressing and where it is not

...and to see where work is progressing and where it is not

15:56:30 <kmyers> ...So if we see in October that work is not progressing in certain areas, then we can address it

...So if we see in October that work is not progressing in certain areas, then we can address it

15:56:37 <kmyers> ...So proposal is that we work on that structure first

...So proposal is that we work on that structure first

15:56:48 <kmyers> ...and once we agree then we work on the functional requirements

...and once we agree then we work on the functional requirements

15:56:52 <kmyers> ...What do people think

...What do people think

15:56:53 <azaroth> +1

Robert Sanderson: +1

15:57:00 <SethSL> +! makes sense

Seth SL: +! makes sense

15:57:01 <TomDN> sounds good

Tom De Nies: sounds good

15:57:29 <kmyers> Markus: Perhaps we can produce first action for Markus and Madi to create a first strawman for the taxonomy on the wiki page

Markus Gylling: Perhaps we can produce first action for Markus and Madi to create a first strawman for the taxonomy on the wiki page

15:57:35 <kmyers> Ivan: Thierry, will you do that/

Ivan Herman: Thierry, will you do that/

15:57:41 <kmyers> s/?

s/?

15:57:49 <kmyers> Thierry: an action for everybody?

Thierry Michel: an action for everybody?

15:57:49 <madi> Yes sounds good to me.

Madi Solomon: Yes sounds good to me.

15:58:02 <kmyers> Markus: no, for Markus and Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy

Markus Gylling: no, for Markus and Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy

15:58:34 <kmyers> Action: Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy

ACTION: Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy

15:58:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-1 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-13].

15:59:18 <kmyers> Markus: It's not a catastrophe if we get it wrong at first, but we need a starting point and will take it from there

Markus Gylling: It's not a catastrophe if we get it wrong at first, but we need a starting point and will take it from there

15:59:26 <kmyers> ...great...we are approaching the top of the hour

...great...we are approaching the top of the hour

15:59:30 <kmyers> ...what is left?

...what is left?

15:59:38 <kmyers> ...Are there any questions or remarks at this point?

...Are there any questions or remarks at this point?

15:59:46 <tmichel> Action: Markus to create the strawman for the taxonomy

ACTION: Markus to create the strawman for the taxonomy

15:59:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-2 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-13].

15:59:51 <kmyers> ....if not, we are done for the day

....if not, we are done for the day

15:59:57 <Zakim> -fjh

Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh

15:59:57 <kmyers> ...thank you everyone, and talk to you in one week

...thank you everyone, and talk to you in one week

16:00:00 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

16:00:01 <Zakim> -SethSL

Zakim IRC Bot: -SethSL

16:00:01 <Zakim> -mgylling

Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling

16:00:04 <Zakim> -Madi

Zakim IRC Bot: -Madi

16:00:06 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky

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16:00:10 <trc> bye now

Tyng-Ruey Chuang: bye now

16:00:12 <Zakim> -plinss

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16:00:21 <Zakim> -trc

Zakim IRC Bot: -trc

16:00:23 <TomDN> bye

Tom De Nies: bye

16:00:25 <Zakim> -Bert

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16:00:32 <Zakim> -TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN

16:00:33 <Zakim> -Sharad

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16:01:39 <George> hello world

George Kerscher: hello world

16:01:58 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:01:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-minutes.html ivan

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-minutes.html ivan

16:03:09 <mgylling> George, hi, can you read this?

Markus Gylling: George, hi, can you read this?

16:03:43 <George> Yes, Markus I can read it

George Kerscher: Yes, Markus I can read it

16:05:03 <George> goodbye

George Kerscher: goodbye

16:05:34 <Zakim> -George_Kerscher

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16:10:42 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers

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16:10:55 <Zakim> -Ivan

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16:15:56 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, tmichel, in SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM

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16:15:58 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended

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16:15:58 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, mgylling, +1.505.665.aaaa, azaroth, +88626614aabb, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, +329331aadd, Karen, plinss, TomDN, Hajar, Madi, trc, mielvds, tmichel,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ivan, mgylling, +1.505.665.aaaa, azaroth, +88626614aabb, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, +329331aadd, Karen, plinss, TomDN, Hajar, Madi, trc, mielvds, tmichel,

16:15:59 <Zakim> ... George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff, SethSL, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh, Karen_Myers

Zakim IRC Bot: ... George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff, SethSL, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh, Karen_Myers



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