14:59:13 RRSAgent has joined #xproc 14:59:13 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-xproc-irc 14:59:16 +Norm 14:59:38 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 14:59:38 Meeting: XML Processing Model WG 14:59:38 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/12/11-agenda 14:59:38 Date: 11 Dec 2013 14:59:38 Meeting: 240 14:59:38 Chair: Norm 14:59:38 Scribe: Norm 14:59:39 ScribeNick: Norm 15:00:34 on my wy 15:01:29 +[IPcaller] 15:01:44 alexmilowski has joined #xproc 15:01:46 zakim, IPcaller is jf_2013 15:01:46 +jf_2013; got it 15:02:03 Vojtech has joined #xproc 15:02:15 ht has joined #xproc 15:02:37 In a meeting, will duck out in a few minutes 15:03:00 thanks, ht 15:03:00 MoZ has joined #xproc 15:03:07 Zakim, code ? 15:03:07 the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MoZ 15:03:08 Vojtech has left #xproc 15:04:18 + +33.9.52.47.aaaa 15:04:18 Vojtech has joined #xproc 15:04:26 Zakim, aaaa is me 15:04:26 +MoZ; got it 15:04:45 alexmilowski_ has joined #xproc 15:04:48 OK. Waiting for Henry ... 15:05:06 +[EMC] 15:05:14 zakim, emc is me 15:05:14 +Vojtech; got it 15:06:14 Present: Norm, Jim, Mohamed, Vojtech, Alex, Henry 15:07:58 + +44.794.975.aabb 15:08:15 +??P38 15:08:48 zakim, aabb is alexmilowski 15:08:48 +alexmilowski; got it 15:09:04 zakim, who's here? 15:09:04 On the phone I see Norm, jf_2013, MoZ, Vojtech, alexmilowski, ht 15:09:05 On IRC I see alexmilowski, Vojtech, MoZ, ht, RRSAgent, Zakim, Norm, jf_2013, liam 15:09:46 -alexmilowski 15:10:27 Topic: Accept this agenda? 15:10:27 -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/12/11-agenda 15:10:29 alexmilowski has joined #xproc 15:10:47 Accepted. 15:10:51 Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting? 15:10:51 -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2013/11/13-minutes 15:10:57 Accepted. 15:11:02 Topic: Next meeting: 8 Jan 2014. Happy New Year! 15:11:28 Jim gives regrets for 8 Jan. 15:11:35 Topic: Review of open action items 15:11:45 Norm: I closed a couple 15:12:30 updated xml processing home page with links to latest minutes 15:12:31 http://www.w3.org/XML/Processing/ 15:13:01 A-235-02 is completed. 15:13:04 Thanks, Jim 15:13:19 Topic: Progress on XML processor profiles 15:13:37 Norm: We're chipping away on actions and waiting to hear back from Michael. 15:13:43 lates 15:13:45 Henry: I think that' s right. 15:13:45 http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xml-proc-profiles.html 15:14:46 Jim: I added a table to the invariants section. 15:14:47 http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xml-proc-profiles.html 15:15:27 Topic: Progress on rechartering 15:15:34 Norm: I was hoping to hear from Liam, but I haven't. 15:19:19 Mohamed: The "state machine" XML just went into Last Call. There's something similar to general pipelines in there; do we have to liase with them? 15:19:27 http://www.w3.org/TR/scxml/ 15:19:37 Norm: We weren't asked to review it, but if it's got pipeline stuff in it then we probably should. 15:20:06 I've read it before 15:20:44 Mohamed: I thought I saw a paper about XProc and scxml. 15:21:24 Jim: I think there's a paper. I read scxml a while ago; it is a kind of pipeline. 15:22:14 Jim: It's a different approach. We're flow-based. Managing state is a fundamentally different approach. 15:22:30 Henry: It's not the state machine that's the issue, it's the executable content that's the issue. 15:23:16 Mohamed: This document looks to have been rewritten since the previous draft. 15:23:32 ...Just to put into the discussion that there is some thought around XML and synchronization and processing. 15:24:40 ACTION: Jim to review scxml and provide a summary of the similarities and differences. 15:24:55 Henry: I think the fundamental question is, does XML flow through these control structures? 15:25:52 Topic: Progress on zip/unzip? 15:26:06 Norm: Have you made any progress, Jim? 15:26:15 Jim: I've made some progress, but it's not ready to publish yet. 15:26:17 Zakim, who is making noise? 15:26:23 Topic: Any other business? 15:26:24 last published draft is 15:26:24 http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/xproc-zip_unzip.html 15:26:28 MoZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Norm (66%), ht (5%) 15:26:30 but its far off from where I am going too 15:27:24 Topic: Proposed face-to-face meeting in Edinburgh after XML Prague 15:27:41 I could come 15:27:42 Norm: How many people would attend? 15:27:50 I won't 15:28:39 Norm: I hear yeas from Henry, Jim, Norm, Alex, and possibly Vojtech 15:29:19 Proposal: we shall meet in Edinburgh face-to-face possibly contingent on the rechartering 15:29:29 Accepted. 15:30:09 not what I was ..... 15:30:41 Henry: When would we meet? 15:30:48 Norm: I propose Feb 18, 19 and possibly 20. 15:30:52 Henry: I'll book a room! 15:30:58 Norm: Thank you Henry 15:31:18 Norm: Any other any other business? 15:31:49 Mohamed: Michael Kay started discussion about chained pipelines in XSLT 3.0. I don't know how this relates to XProc. 15:32:16 Norm: Yes, I plan to respond. 15:33:22 Norm: Adjourned. Happy holidays and Merry New Year to you all! 15:33:35 -Norm 15:33:37 -Vojtech 15:33:47 merry xmas/ happy new year 15:33:48 -ht 15:33:50 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 15:33:53 -MoZ 15:33:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:33:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-xproc-minutes.html Norm 15:33:57 -jf_2013 15:33:58 XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended 15:33:58 Attendees were Norm, jf_2013, +33.9.52.47.aaaa, MoZ, Vojtech, +44.794.975.aabb, ht, alexmilowski 15:34:15 alexmilowski has left #xproc 16:28:32 Norm has joined #xproc 17:55:23 Zakim has left #xproc 20:13:08 ht has joined #xproc 21:00:16 ht has joined #xproc 21:51:20 liam has joined #xproc