13:58:43 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #webtv
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13:58:51 <jcverdie> zakim, agenda?
13:58:52 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:58:56 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
13:58:56 <Zakim> ok, kaz, I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM already started
13:59:04 <jcverdie> agenda+ review gap analysis
13:59:14 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
13:59:14 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
13:59:16 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
13:59:19 <Zakim> +Paul_Higgs
13:59:56 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:59:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P14, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs
13:59:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:00:05 <whyun> whyun has joined #webtv
14:00:51 <kaz> zakim, ??P14 is whyun
14:00:51 <Zakim> +whyun; got it
14:00:52 <igarashi> igarashi has joined #webtv
14:01:01 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:01:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs
14:01:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Jean-Charles
14:01:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:04 <Zakim> +gmandyam
14:02:09 <kaz> zakim, [ is skim13
14:02:09 <Zakim> +skim13; got it
14:02:23 <Zakim> +??P20
14:02:28 <gmandyam> gmandyam has joined #webtv
14:02:33 <ddavis> zakim, ??P20 is me
14:02:33 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it
14:03:00 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
14:03:12 <kaz> zakim, [ is giuseppe
14:03:12 <Zakim> +giuseppe; got it
14:03:14 <giuseppep> giuseppep has joined #webtv
14:03:21 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:03:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, Jean-Charles, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, giuseppe
14:03:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see giuseppep, gmandyam, igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:03:23 <gmandyam> Giri Mandyam, Qualcomm Innovation Center, on the call
14:03:54 <Bin_Hu> Bin_Hu has joined #webtv
14:04:33 <Louay> Louay has joined #webtv
14:04:51 <Sheau> Sheau has joined #webtv
14:04:58 <Zakim> +Bin_Hu
14:05:15 <Zakim> +sheau
14:05:28 <kaz> Present: Wook, Kaz, Paul, JC, Sunghei, Giri, Daniel, Giuseppe, Bin, Sheau
14:05:32 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:05:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, Jean-Charles, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, giuseppe, Bin_Hu, sheau
14:05:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheau, Louay, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, gmandyam, igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:05:48 <Zakim> +??P26
14:06:04 <kaz> zakim, ??P26 is Louay
14:06:04 <Zakim> +Louay; got it
14:06:10 <kaz> Present+ Louay
14:06:10 <jcverdie> regrets+ Cyril Rickelton-Abdi
14:08:14 <jcverdie> i am :)
14:08:19 <Zakim> -Jean-Charles
14:08:22 <Bin_Hu> excellent :)
14:08:24 <jcverdie> but i can't unmute (skype crashed)
14:08:33 <jcverdie> please go ahead Bin, I'm calling back
14:08:35 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:08:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, giuseppe, Bin_Hu, sheau, Louay
14:08:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheau, Louay, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, gmandyam, igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:08:50 <igarashi>  i will join soon. What is the passcode.
14:08:56 <kaz> zakim, code?
14:08:57 <ddavis> WEBTV1
14:08:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 932881 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), kaz
14:09:39 <kaz> scribe: Giuseppe
14:09:46 <Bin_Hu> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE#gid=1
14:09:49 <giuseppep> scribenick:giuseppep
14:09:53 <kaz> scribenick: giuseppep
14:09:55 <Zakim> +??P19
14:10:03 <Zakim> +Jean-Charles
14:10:07 <kaz> zakim, ??P19 is Igarashi
14:10:07 <Zakim> +Igarashi; got it
14:10:10 <kaz> Present+ Igarashi
14:10:27 <giuseppep> Topic: gap analysis
14:10:30 <kaz> s|https|-> https|
14:10:44 <kaz> s|gid=1|gid=1 gap analysis document|
14:10:51 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:10:52 <giuseppep> Bin: it seems we only have few question marks to address
14:10:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:10:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:11:00 <giuseppep> ... also need to finilize email discussions
14:11:32 <kaz> Meeting: Web and TV IG - Media APIs TF call
14:11:53 <kaz> Chair: Bing
14:11:53 <kaz> Chair: Bin
14:11:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:11:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:12:39 <giuseppep> Bin: NSD doesn't have device autentication in scope
14:12:51 <giuseppep> so B11 should probably be blank
14:13:10 <kaz> s/so B11/... so B11/
14:13:14 <giuseppep> ...do people agree? no objection
14:13:41 <jcverdie> zakim, mute me
14:13:41 <Zakim> sorry, jcverdie, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:14:26 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:14:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see whyun, Kazuyuki, Paul_Higgs, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, giuseppe, Bin_Hu, sheau, Louay, Igarashi, Jean-Charles
14:14:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheau, Louay, Bin_Hu, giuseppep, gmandyam, igarashi, whyun, Zakim, RRSAgent, jcverdie, ddavis, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:14:36 <giuseppep> ... req7 also should go to bank, agree? agreed
14:14:50 <kaz> zakim, Jean-Charles is jcverdie
14:14:50 <Zakim> +jcverdie; got it
14:15:04 <ddavis> q+
14:15:05 <kaz> s/bank/blank/
14:17:21 <kaz> s/req7/req7 (B7)/
14:17:21 <kaz> q?
14:17:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:17:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:17:21 <ddavis> ack ddavis
14:17:21 <giuseppep> .. for B12, there is ongoing discussion on the mailing list, so let's take it later.
14:17:21 <giuseppep> Bin: let's go to col C
14:19:22 <giuseppep> Bin: I propose to set C9 blank as  HTML5 doesn't address authentication directly
14:19:34 <giuseppep> ... agreed? No objection
14:20:12 <kaz> s/req7 (B7)/req7 (B12)/
14:20:55 <giuseppep> Bin: col D only one comment on tuner API, how should we resolve it
14:21:07 <giuseppep> giuseppe: it will be solved as part of the tuner API discussion, so comment can be closed
14:21:21 <kaz> i/Bin:/(C9, C10, C11 turned into blank)/
14:21:44 <giuseppep> Bin: one left, B30
14:22:39 <kaz> s/B30/D30/
14:22:46 <giuseppep> D30
14:23:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:23:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:23:50 <giuseppep> Giri: recording is part of WebRTC
14:24:08 <giuseppep> ... is probably reasonable to say that is not in scope for HTML5
14:24:45 <giuseppep> ... but maybe there should be something in html5.1 to make recording of a video element possible
14:26:41 <kaz> q+
14:26:46 <giuseppep> giuseppe: then maybe we should leave it red as would be good to bring it up with the HTML WG
14:27:04 <giuseppep> Giri: yes I agree, but one comment here
14:27:33 <giuseppep> ... there is a green in the webrtc column because for some use cases WebRTC can certainly be used
14:27:42 <giuseppep> .. but this is not for all use cases
14:27:54 <giuseppep> s/../.../
14:28:22 <kaz> q-
14:28:27 <giuseppep> Sheau: if we have a red here, shouldn't we say the same for authentication?
14:29:19 <giuseppep> Giri: I'm not sure what the relevance is for html5 of all of them
14:30:31 <giuseppep> giuseppe: I think the requirement is too highlevel to drive work/discussion in HTML5
14:30:40 <giuseppep> ... if we want something to happen we need to dive into the details
14:30:48 <giuseppep> ... and point out what is missing
14:30:56 <giuseppep> Giri: agree
14:31:04 <kaz> q+
14:31:10 <giuseppep> ... [makes some examples from the TV industry]
14:31:44 <giuseppep> Sheau: it seems to me that at this point we don't know exactly what we mean
14:31:58 <giuseppep> ... so we don't have enough elements to decide
14:32:56 <kaz> q+ to ask if "HTML 5.1" here means "possible HTML extensions other than all the existing specs"
14:33:52 <giuseppep> Sheau: maybe we should actually put green as html5 enables authentication
14:34:27 <giuseppep> giuseppe: I agree with Sheau
14:36:24 <giuseppep> Bin: so let's close D30 red
14:37:37 <giuseppep> .. and let's change D9-10-11 to green
14:37:56 <giuseppep> ... same for c9-10-11
14:38:17 <kaz> q?
14:38:24 <kaz> ack k
14:38:24 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to ask if "HTML 5.1" here means "possible HTML extensions other than all the existing specs"
14:40:25 <giuseppep> Kaz: should we split the html5.1 column to alos future version of 5.x?
14:40:31 <giuseppep> giuseppe: no.
14:40:33 <giuseppep> Bin: no
14:41:14 <giuseppep> Bin: I propose to address question marks first
14:41:18 <giuseppep> ... next is G7
14:41:37 <giuseppep> s/G7/G27/
14:41:58 <kaz> s/to alos/into two, (1) the existing HTML 5.1 and (2) the/
14:42:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:42:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:42:31 <giuseppep> ... there is a suggestion to leave that blank
14:42:57 <giuseppep> .. since the eme doesn't prevent nor prescribe support for offline, is not a matter of såpec but of implementation
14:43:18 <giuseppep> ... what do you think?
14:43:21 <giuseppep> giuseppe: agree
14:43:48 <giuseppep> Bin: any objection? none
14:43:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:43:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/11-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:44:10 <giuseppep> Bin: after that there is clumn J
14:44:59 <giuseppep> ... J6/7 proposal to leave it blank
14:45:07 <giuseppep> simce the req. is not related to offline storage capability
14:45:29 <kaz> s/såpec/spec/
14:45:40 <giuseppep> s/simce/since/
14:45:59 <giuseppep> Bin: any objection? none
14:46:00 <ddavis> s/clumn/column/
14:46:10 <Zakim> -ddavis
14:46:47 <giuseppep> ... same applies to other questionmarks in column J
14:46:53 <Zakim> +??P20
14:46:56 <ddavis> zakim, ??P20 is me
14:46:56 <Zakim> +ddavis; got it