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15:02:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 58 minutes
15:02:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:02:17 <trackbot> Date: 09 December 2013
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15:57:25 <ivan> zakim, code?
15:57:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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15:57:55 <astearns> Will be late driving boy into school
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15:58:17 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
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15:58:28 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 4 (13%), ivan (9%)
15:58:32 <Zakim> +Tzviya
15:58:45 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:58:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P12, mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya
15:58:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
15:58:55 <Zakim> +laudrain
15:59:04 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
15:59:19 <Zakim> +??P36
15:59:29 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P36 is mgylling
15:59:29 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
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15:59:55 <ivan> zakim, ??P12 is gcapiel
15:59:55 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
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16:00:03 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:00:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see gcapiel, mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling
16:00:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
16:00:06 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
16:00:09 <dshkolnik> Dmitry Shkolnik is on the phone too
16:00:15 <Zakim> + +1.505.603.aaaa
16:00:15 <TomDN> zakim, +[Ugent] is me
16:00:16 <Zakim> sorry, TomDN, I do not recognize a party named '+[Ugent]'
16:00:31 <TomDN> zakim, [Ugent] is me
16:00:31 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
16:00:31 <azaroth> zakim, aaaa is azaroth
16:00:32 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
16:00:37 <TomDN> zakim, mute me
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16:01:01 <TomDN> Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN
16:01:01 <Zakim> +duga
16:01:02 <Zakim> +Hajar; got it
16:01:13 <Zakim> +??P39
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16:01:27 <walkley> Zakim, P38 is walkley
16:01:27 <Zakim> sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named 'P38'
16:01:28 <Zakim> +Vlad
16:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.503.887.aabb
16:01:45 <ivan> zakim, ??P38 is walkley
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16:01:56 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, ??P39, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, Bert
16:01:59 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar
16:01:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_,
16:01:59 <Zakim> ... m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
16:02:05 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
16:02:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, ??P39, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, Bert
16:02:09 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar
16:02:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_,
16:02:09 <Zakim> ... m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
16:02:09 <Zakim> -??P39
16:02:28 <Zakim> + +1.212.364.aacc
16:02:29 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Sharad
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16:03:09 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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16:03:17 <ivan> zakim, ??P42 is gcapiel
16:03:17 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
16:03:21 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
16:03:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, Vlad, Sharad, Bert, +1.212.364.aacc, gcapiel, fjh,
16:03:24 <Zakim> ... madi
16:03:24 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar
16:03:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, Sharad, brady_duga, karen, Hajar, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, Luc, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert, Zakim,
16:03:24 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe_, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
16:03:26 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
16:04:12 <Zakim> +??P48
16:04:16 <tmichel> zakim, ??P48 is tmichel
16:04:16 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
16:04:38 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
16:04:38 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
16:04:48 <TomDN> +q
16:04:49 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Phil_Madans
16:04:50 <Zakim> +Phil_Madans; got it
16:05:15 <mgylling> scribe: TomDN
16:05:15 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
16:05:15 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
16:05:48 <TomDN> mgylling: Asks Phil to introduce himself
16:06:21 <TomDN> ?: I am the director of publishing standard for ? book group
16:06:45 <TomDN> ... interested in metadata, and joined the taskforce because of this
16:06:57 <TomDN> mgylling: You are warmly welcome!
16:07:18 <dauwhe_> s/?/Phil_Madans/
16:07:24 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler
16:07:26 <dauwhe_> s/?/Hachette/
16:07:42 <TomDN> Topic: CSS Shapes review - status
16:07:56 <TomDN> mgylling: We have an outstanding request to review CSS Shapes
16:07:59 <Bill_Kasdorf> Technically Hachette Book Group (HBG)
16:08:13 <TomDN> ... Is there anyone on the call who would like to volunteer for this?
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16:08:35 <TomDN> dave: I can take a look, but best effort
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16:09:23 <TomDN> ?: I had a look at it. Looks great. Happy to talk about it
16:09:40 <ivan> s/?/azaroth/
16:10:00 <Bert> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/201311282205.16558.bert@w3.org Bert's mail about css-shapes
16:10:23 <TomDN> mgylling: please post findings to the list by Monday the 16th
16:10:50 <TomDN> Topic: This weeks focus theme: accessibility task force
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16:11:57 <TomDN> mgylling: Last week we decided to have TF leads present some things for discussion for their own topic, to allow task forces to have an hour of quality discussion in their field
16:12:17 <TomDN> ... We will probably internally review this somewhere mid January.
16:12:23 <Zakim> +Stearns
16:12:26 <TomDN> ...  This week: Accessibility
16:12:52 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility
16:13:05 <TomDN> Suzanne: Let;s take a look at some of the data
16:13:23 <TomDN> Suzanne: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility is the TF's main page
16:13:43 <tzviya> q+
16:13:49 <TomDN> ... if you are interested in joining, please sign up there
16:13:51 <TomDN> -TomDN
16:14:02 <TomDN> -q
16:14:31 <TomDN> tzviya: Don't know how my name got on there.
16:14:40 <tzviya> q-
16:14:49 <TomDN> Suzanne: No problem, we can take you off
16:15:11 <TomDN> Suzanne: Our primary output document is the Use Cases
16:15:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Accessibility_and_Personalization
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16:15:42 <TomDN> Suzanne: We have a category on WCAG 2.0 & Education Environment / Educational Publishing
16:15:55 <TomDN> .. also on Pre-School through Middle School
16:16:43 <TomDN> ... For example: a child might need to ask an application for more time, but might not know exactly how much time
16:17:01 <Suzanne> Thea Eaton
16:17:05 <Suzanne> DoodleDoo
16:17:32 <TomDN> Suzanne: going through the categories
16:17:44 <TomDN> ... Specialized Subject Areas (e.g. Chemistry, Grammar, Poetry)
16:18:06 <TomDN> ... What do we need in the standard for these? Especially for visual impairments
16:18:17 <TomDN> ... Next one is Allowing Versions
16:18:45 <TomDN> ... ideally it would be the same W3C mechanism to make them possible
16:18:59 <TomDN> ... Also we have General Accessibility Use Cases
16:19:33 <TomDN> ... One example might be different math pronunciations
16:20:00 <TomDN> s/Also we have General Accessibility Use Cases/
16:20:45 <TomDN> Suzanne: section on General Accessibility Use Cases has a bit of everything in there
16:21:05 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:21:16 <astearns> zakim, who is noisy?
16:21:27 <Zakim> astearns, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ivan (15%), laudrain (72%), gcapiel (13%)
16:21:40 <TomDN> ?: One of the version use cases we have is crowdsourced based post-production
16:21:45 <ivan> zakim, mute laudrain
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16:21:54 <ivan> s/?/gcapiel/
16:22:03 <TomDN> ... e.g. A parent, expert, etc. could make additions after publication
16:22:03 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGCrowdDesc
16:22:24 <TomDN> ... e.g., alternate descriptions to images
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16:23:03 <TomDN> ... won't go into too much detail here
16:23:23 <TomDN> ... Probably going to come some use cases out of the EDUPUB workshops
16:23:37 <TomDN> ... and Interactive Widgets group
16:23:57 <TomDN> Suzanne: Can you add the link?
16:24:15 <TomDN> gcapiel: Will do (or Marcus)
16:24:27 <TomDN> ... Another example is MathML inside of SVG
16:24:35 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathSVGA11y
16:24:57 <TomDN> ... They would at least show the graphical representation, and then the MathML underneath
16:25:11 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/MathSonifyA11y
16:25:44 <TomDN> ... There's some examples under the references on the wiki
16:26:00 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGStructDesc
16:26:08 <TomDN> ... Other work on adding HTML to SVG
16:26:25 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGMediaQueriesA11y
16:26:43 <TomDN> ... Also something like Media Queries for stylesheets, but then for SVG
16:27:09 <TomDN> ... The idea is that one SVG file would have multiple modalities
16:27:26 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/SVGReuse
16:27:40 <TomDN> gcapiel: We also want to make it easier to use SVG across documents
16:28:15 <TomDN> .., The whole idea is to better support the portability of image description
16:28:23 <TomDN> s/..,/...
16:29:33 <TomDN> ... We also need to think about best practices around the recent schema.org adaptibility metadata
16:29:46 <mgylling> q?
16:29:50 <TomDN> ... plus all the other things that we haven't addressed
16:29:57 <TomDN> mgylling: Thank you.
16:30:01 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:30:34 <TomDN> Bill_Kasdorf: Amazing amount of content and detail
16:31:02 <TomDN> ... It's going to be important to keep in mind which of these are OWP issues and which are actually reading system implementation issues
16:32:07 <TomDN> ... When I say reading system I include assisting technology in this
16:32:17 <gcapiel> q+
16:32:43 <TomDN> Bill_Kasdorf: for example the multiple languages for Math
16:32:46 <TomDN> Suzanne: Indeed something we need to talk about.
16:32:50 <mgylling> ack gcapiel
16:33:00 <TomDN> ... but the /tagging/ definitly seems something for W3C
16:33:20 <ivan> q+
16:33:33 <TomDN> gcapiel: Not sure how quickly those problems will be solved. Which is why we are looking for things to solve them today.
16:33:43 <TomDN> ... Good point about the languages
16:33:57 <TomDN> ... also something to consider when doing alternative descriptions for images
16:34:18 <TomDN> ... Maybe describethat could be used for the languages?
16:35:08 <TomDN> Bill_Kasdorf: We must be careful to not bypass the natural accessibility of MathML
16:35:18 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:35:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain (muted), Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, TomDN (muted), azaroth, walkley, duga, Vlad, Sharad (muted), Bert, Phil_Madans,
16:35:19 <Zakim> ... gcapiel, fjh, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Laura_Fowler, Stearns
16:35:19 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar
16:35:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see dauwhe, gcapiel, philm, madi_, tmichel, Bill_Kasdorf, Vlad, brady_duga, karen, walkley, TomDN, Suzanne, tzviya, azaroth, LauraFowler, dshkolnik, fjh, mgylling, Bert,
16:35:23 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, m4nu, astearns, trackbot, plinss
16:35:45 <tzviya> q+
16:35:47 <TomDN> Suzanne: Good point. You would have a library for 4th grade math, 5th grade math, ....
16:36:03 <TomDN> mgylling: So there are multiple questions here to be answered
16:36:17 <TomDN> ... First is: how do you include the content?
16:36:18 <gcapiel> aria-describedat https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/aria-unofficial/raw-file/tip/describedat.html
16:36:41 <TomDN> ... second is query. how does the reader get to the right branch?
16:36:43 <mgylling> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/indie-ui-context.html
16:37:01 <TomDN> s/describethat/describedat
16:37:42 <TomDN> mgylling: so 1: "how do you author the content?", 2: "how do you query it?"
16:38:26 <TomDN> ... One of the observations is that math languages might be considered a personalisation issue
16:38:29 <mgylling> q?
16:38:38 <TomDN> Suzanne: You could change allowing versions to personalisation
16:38:55 <TomDN> ... There's just some of the use cases that don't fit under that
16:38:56 <mgylling> ack ivan
16:39:06 <TomDN> ... Will look into dividing them up
16:39:29 <TomDN> mgylling: Suzanne, you know a lot about ??
16:40:12 <gcapiel> IDPF interactive widgets work: https://github.com/idpf/widgets
16:40:13 <TomDN> ... Could you work on some clear examples/use cases for it? It's not clear for a lot of people
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16:40:50 <Bill_Kasdorf> could someone put a clear reference to what Markus is talking about on the IRC?
16:40:53 <mgylling> s/??/APIP
16:40:54 <Zakim> -Sharad
16:40:56 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg
16:41:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> Plus a link, please
16:41:38 <TomDN> mgylling: just describe some scenarios where APIP would be the solution
16:41:48 <mgylling> q?
16:41:48 <TomDN> Suzanne: will provide some examples
16:42:03 <TomDN> ivan: coming back to the MathML issue.
16:42:12 <TomDN> ... Must disagree with Bill
16:42:30 <TomDN> ... MathML as it is used, is not language-agnostic (presentation mathML)
16:42:36 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/arabic-math/ MathML in arabic context
16:43:04 <gcapiel> http://www.imsglobal.org/apip/
16:43:22 <TomDN> ... e.g., MathML in arabic context. Includes examples of similar formulae in different languages
16:43:48 <TomDN> ... langauge-dependent stuff in presentation mathML is put in verbatim
16:43:59 <gcapiel> indie UI user preferences: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/indie-ui-context.html
16:44:05 <TomDN> ... content MathML is extremely underused
16:44:07 <ivan> s/langauge/language/
16:44:31 <TomDN> gcapiel: It is used, for semantics
16:44:40 <TomDN> Bill_Kasdorf: Also in the browser?
16:45:06 <TomDN> gcapiel: Yes, the semantics part. Seems to be language-agnostic.
16:45:11 <mgylling> q?
16:45:37 <TomDN> Ivan: But what about e.g. if-then constructs? They are not the same in some languages
16:46:20 <TomDN> gcapiel: that is text, but that cannot be evaluated automatically. The semantic part can, and there is no text in there
16:46:23 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
16:46:36 <TomDN> tzviya: Another example: it's also based on culture
16:47:04 <TomDN> ... e.g. difference in cultural lingo
16:48:33 <TomDN> ?: We should probably look into EPUB overlays, APIP, ...
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16:48:44 <ivan> s/?/gcapiel
16:48:57 <TomDN> LauraFowler: More than happy to work on some of the use cases
16:49:50 <TomDN> mgylling: Question for Laura in terms of next steps: Could you contribute a use case on semantics of ?
16:49:53 <TomDN> LauraFowler: sure
16:50:16 <TomDN> Suzanne: do you have an example of what's currently missing for Assessment?
16:50:32 <TomDN> s/Assessment/assessments
16:50:56 <TomDN> LauraFowler: Some came up at EDUPUB, and we will look into providing those in the course of this week
16:51:16 <TomDN> mgylling: We'll need to provide an appropriate slot on the wiki
16:51:35 <TomDN> ... Next activities for Accessibility TF?
16:51:52 <TomDN> Suzanne: Still entering use cases for another couple of weeks
16:52:02 <TomDN> ... then a few meetings with key participants
16:52:37 <TomDN> ... Might need some type of proposal towards solution, even though that's not our main task
16:52:59 <TomDN> ... with some technical details. Especially for layers, versions, ...
16:53:41 <TomDN> mgylling: Building flowcharts and such is always welcome
16:54:14 <TomDN> mgylling: Are there more placeholders coming to the wiki page from you?
16:54:24 <TomDN> Suzanne: Not much more, other than details
16:54:38 <mgylling> q?
16:54:52 <TomDN> ... the basic things have been mentioned on the call, or on the wiki
16:55:13 <TomDN> gcapiel: There's a lot of stuff that got started, that needs more detail underneath it
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16:56:03 <TomDN> mgylling: Question to the group: Are there any specialists/experts that we need to bring to the table?
16:56:39 <TomDN> Suzanne: We need more input for [did not hear]
16:56:55 <mgylling> s/[did not hear]/K12 and Math
16:57:07 <TomDN> ivan: there's an overlay to the TF of Jean in that sense
16:57:25 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/09-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
16:57:29 <TomDN> Topic: Next weeks theme
16:57:59 <TomDN> mgylling: Who want to go next week?
16:58:07 <TomDN> ... Suggestion: Rob
16:58:42 <Zakim> -laudrain
16:58:52 <TomDN> Rob: sure. Would be good that the Annotation TF is bigger than it's current size by then (1 member)
16:59:34 <TomDN> ... especially publishers. Of course others also welcome
16:59:34 <Zakim> -fjh
17:00:20 <TomDN> mgylling: I would like to volunteer to read through it all
17:00:30 <TomDN> ... anyone else?
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17:01:10 <tzviya> q+
17:01:19 <TomDN> ivan: Question which might help people decide: ATM there are 3 places where annotation is being discussed: Rob's group, IDPF, and this TF
17:01:43 <mgylling> ack tzviya
17:01:47 <TomDN> ... Curious as to how these overlap/work together/ ...
17:01:59 <liza> I get "the conference is restricted" on the phone
17:02:27 <TomDN> ?: Comment: I know it's a very busy period for publishers. Maybe in January there will be more feedback
17:02:51 <liza> Whoops, timezones
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17:03:00 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/09-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
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17:03:05 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
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17:03:05 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
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17:03:05 <Zakim> -mijordan
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17:03:05 <Zakim> -dauwhe
17:03:05 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
17:03:05 <Zakim> -walkley
17:03:05 <Zakim> -Vlad
17:03:07 <Zakim> -Stearns
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17:03:40 <TomDN> Does anyone generate the minutes from here?
17:03:56 <liza> No, Markus, it's right, I was going from the last time I attended which must've been before DST changed
17:03:57 <mgylling> TomDN, yes, tmichel already did
17:04:08 <liza> My apologies
17:04:15 <TomDN> ok, thanks!
17:04:17 <TomDN> bye
17:04:22 <Zakim> -TomDN
17:04:24 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended
17:04:24 <Zakim> Attendees were mijordan, ivan, dauwhe, Tzviya, laudrain, Suzanne_Taylor, mgylling, gcapiel, +1.505.603.aaaa, TomDN, azaroth, duga, Hajar, Vlad, +1.503.887.aabb, walkley, Bert,
17:04:24 <Zakim> ... +1.212.364.aacc, Sharad, fjh, madi, Bill_Kasdorf, tmichel, Phil_Madans, Laura_Fowler, Stearns, Sharad_Garg
17:04:26 <mgylling> TomDN gets massive amount of karma points for scribing
17:05:25 <liza> I'm an idiot!
17:06:37 <Suzanne> oh, we've all done it ;-)
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