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14:58:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:58:18 <trackbot> Date: 05 December 2013
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15:01:52 <bhyland> Hi
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15:02:58 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
15:02:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, +33.4.93.00.aabb, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Sandro
15:03:14 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, gatemezi is aabb
15:03:14 <Zakim> sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'gatemezi'
15:03:18 <bhyland> zakim, aabb is gatemazi
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15:03:26 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
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15:03:38 <bhyland> chair: hadley
15:03:54 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-21
15:04:03 <fadmaa> +1
15:04:06 <bhyland> +1
15:04:08 <HadleyBeeman> proposed:  approve last week's minutes
15:04:10 <HadleyBeeman> +1
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15:04:28 <HadleyBeeman> resolved:  approve last week's minutes
15:04:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> the link was wrong
15:05:02 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> should have been http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-28
15:05:05 <bhyland> +1
15:05:13 <HadleyBeeman> thanks, joaopaulo!
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15:05:41 <sandro> +1 minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-11-28
15:05:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 anyway
15:05:46 <fadmaa> TOPIC: DCAT
15:05:50 <sandro> (agreed we meant that one)
15:05:50 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me
15:05:50 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
15:06:02 <sandro> scribe: sandro
15:06:05 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_PR_transition
15:06:16 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: fadmaa where are we on PR transition
15:06:30 <sandro> fadmaa: all good, except I didn't know how to generate diff
15:06:44 <sandro> sandro: I'll do diff
15:06:46 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:06:56 <tinagheen> Zakim, LC is me
15:06:56 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it
15:07:02 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
15:07:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, gatemazi, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Sandro, biplav, [IPcaller], tinagheen
15:07:33 <sandro> Zakim, IPcaller is deirdrelee
15:07:33 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
15:08:09 <sandro> fadmaa: Impl report, three sections to look at
15:08:28 <fadmaa> dcat:byteSize has only one conforming usage, however its deprecated predecessors (dcat:bytes and dcat:size) are used. dcat:byteSize was introduced to replace dcat:bytes and dcat:size to simplify the data model less than a year ago. The DCAT Application profile for data portals in Europe (DCAT-AP), a specification based on DCAT for describing public sector datasets in Europe, includes dcat:byteSize in its recommended terms. A similar recommendation of dcat:byte[CUT]
15:08:35 <sandro> fadmaa: only dcat:byteSize is at issue
15:08:44 <sandro> +1
15:09:15 <fadmaa> Some further comments were received. We kept track of them and tried to address all of them. Few requests asked to extend the vocabulary in some direction (e.g. specific terms for tabular data, versioning, etc...) These requests couldn't be addressed due to the scope of the work as described in the WG charter and to the resources available.
15:09:18 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: under Wide Review, yes, looks good.
15:10:01 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: I think that's okay.
15:10:44 <sandro> fadmaa: I added the bit about domains.
15:10:58 <HadleyBeeman> … to the HTML document.  PhilA did it for the ontology.
15:11:04 <sandro> fadmaa: It's a "noteworthy" change, but not "minor"
15:11:11 <fadmaa> Missing domain definitions for some terms The document was updated so that all properties defined under the DCAT namespace have their domain explicitly mentioned in the document (described above).
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15:11:20 <sandro> +1
15:11:24 <HadleyBeeman> +1
15:11:46 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
15:11:50 <sandro> sandro: suggest s/mentioned/declared/
15:11:50 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Implementations
15:11:50 <bhyland> s/mentioned/declared
15:12:24 <sandro> fadmaa: Three new reports.   ckan, ...
15:12:42 <HadleyBeeman> … Data Tank
15:12:52 <sandro> fadmaa: new section, on "Recommending DCAT"
15:12:59 <sandro> +1 looks great
15:13:04 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
15:13:35 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: I like it, it supports the case well.
15:14:19 <sandro> fadmaa: Yes, I'm happy with impl. reports.   Links are all good.
15:14:22 <bhyland> Whoot!  Great work Fadi!
15:14:24 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments
15:14:26 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Comments?
15:14:46 <sandro> fadmaa: I just replied to Leigh Dodds asking for confirmation that he's okay with the text as it now stands
15:15:11 <sandro> fadmaa: For the one about downloadURL and accessURL; last week I sent reply, but don't have confirmation from commenters.
15:15:27 <sandro> fadmaa: Two issues were resolved by WG.   We just don't have formal acknowledgement.
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15:15:49 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Table at top of comments page.
15:16:12 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Status....
15:16:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:16:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:16:37 <sandro> fadmaa: All we've replied to, but not received....
15:16:53 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:17:07 <Zakim> +??P11
15:17:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P11 is me
15:17:09 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
15:17:19 <sandro> sandro: LC vs CR comments....?
15:17:32 <sandro> fadmaa: Some of the LC ones were CR.
15:17:55 <sandro> fadmaa: I'll split the CR ones out into another table.
15:18:00 <sandro> fadmaa: on same page
15:18:13 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: It looks like we're ready to go!
15:18:21 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Anything else on your to-do list?
15:18:38 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: As the WG had enough time to review it?
15:18:53 <bhyland> The organization of the http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments is really helpful.
15:18:56 <sandro> bhyland: I'd like a chance to review, but I don't want to hold things up.
15:19:44 <sandro> sandro: If folks needs to review, we could resolve to move forward sending transition request tomorrow?
15:20:05 <sandro> bhyland: THanks so much Fadi.    Excellent, excellent work.
15:21:02 <sandro> PROPOSED: DCAT is ready to advance to Proposed Recommendations.  We
15:21:09 <sandro> PROPOSED: DCAT is ready to advance to Proposed Recommendations.
15:21:13 <sandro> PROPOSED: DCAT is ready to advance to Proposed Recommendation.
15:21:16 <sandro> +1
15:21:18 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
15:21:20 <gatemezi> +1
15:21:21 <HadleyBeeman> +1
15:21:22 <fadmaa> +1
15:21:24 <tinagheen> +1
15:21:25 <Biplav> +1
15:21:26 <DaveReynolds> +1
15:21:44 <bhyland> +1
15:21:53 <sandro> RESOLVED: DCAT is ready to advance to Proposed Recommendation.
15:21:59 <bhyland> Yay!
15:22:05 <sandro> congradulations!!!!
15:22:08 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
15:22:08 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
15:22:17 <gatemezi> congrats fadmaa and al.
15:22:21 <fadmaa> TOPIC: Data Cube
15:22:21 <sandro> topic: Data Cube
15:22:30 <DaveReynolds> <http://environment.data.gov.uk/registry/structure/entity-type/>
15:22:34 <sandro> scribe:fadmaa
15:22:40 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_PR_transition
15:22:56 <bhyland> Congratulations to Fadi, John, and Phil for the considerable work in getting DCAT transitioned!
15:22:59 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: There's been no change to the transition page itself
15:23:09 <bhyland> s/transitioned/ready for transition
15:23:09 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations
15:23:24 <fadmaa> ... the implementations page  http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Implementations had three new reports
15:23:39 <fadmaa> ... there were some issued raised related to conformance report
15:23:46 <fadmaa> s/issued/issues/
15:24:25 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: there were three failures but all agreed that the failure was due to the data and not the conformance test
15:24:50 <fadmaa> ... that's a good indicator that the conformance tests are doing good job
15:25:32 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: It is still possible that we get an extra one
15:25:46 <sandro> +1 DaveReynolds this is awesome
15:25:53 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: that's great work! phenomenal
15:26:11 <fadmaa> great work DaveReynolds !
15:26:38 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: no changes were made to the Data Cube TR
15:26:46 <bhyland> @Dave, your implementations write up should serve as the bar for all others, excellent work.  Thank you!
15:26:49 <bhyland> +1
15:26:53 <sandro> RESOLVED: Data Cube is ready to advance to Proposed Recommendation.
15:26:58 <gatemezi> +1
15:26:59 <fadmaa> Proposed: Transition Data Cube to recommendation
15:27:00 <Biplav> +1
15:27:01 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
15:27:03 <DaveReynolds> +1
15:27:04 <HadleyBeeman> +1
15:27:04 <sandro> +1
15:27:05 <tinagheen> +1
15:27:07 <deirdrelee_> +1
15:27:20 <fadmaa> Proposed: Transition Data Cube to  Proposed recommendation
15:27:20 <fadmaa> +1
15:27:41 <fadmaa> Resolved: Transition Data Cube to  Proposed recommendation
15:27:49 <bhyland> Congrats!
15:27:57 <sandro> Congratulations!!
15:28:03 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_PR_transition
15:28:07 <fadmaa> TOPIC: ORG vocabulary
15:28:21 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: ORG TR hasn't changed since two weeks
15:28:31 <fadmaa> ... there has been no new implementation reports
15:28:36 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_Implementations
15:29:08 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: all terms are used apart from 5 terms each of which having 1 usage
15:29:16 <fadmaa> ... and interest in using it later
15:29:54 <fadmaa> ... I'd recommend to proceed with all the terms
15:30:04 <fadmaa> ... this was agreed by the WG
15:30:46 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: we got contacted by a user who is willing to help the WG with the Org ontology
15:30:52 <fadmaa> ... a bit late for our time
15:31:03 <fadmaa> ... but that's evidence of interest
15:31:12 <fadmaa> ... they promise to contact the list
15:31:33 <sandro> q+
15:32:11 <fadmaa> sandro: I don't see a link from TR to the comments page on ORG
15:32:22 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: there were no issues raised durng the CR period
15:32:33 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:32:41 <fadmaa> sandro: any relevant emails other than implementation reports?
15:32:46 <Zakim> +??P11
15:32:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P11 is me
15:32:48 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
15:32:50 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: I'll double check
15:33:06 <fadmaa> ... may be clarifications requests
15:33:19 <fadmaa> sandro: it is helpful to have these in a page
15:33:24 <gatemezi> Dave , I have a small implementation that might be useful..see a small sample here http://goo.gl/fvEF21 ...with an application here http://semantics.eurecom.fr/datalift/Equipment/
15:33:25 <fadmaa> ... linked from the TR
15:33:36 <gatemezi> I will send you an email
15:33:47 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: I'll do the same for the Data Cube
15:34:06 <fadmaa> sandro: it's good to have such a page even if there were no issues
15:34:20 <sandro> sandro: The Director will want to see a Disposition of Comments page, even if it is "There were no comments"
15:34:40 <fadmaa> Proposed: transition ORG to proposed recommendation
15:34:43 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
15:34:44 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
15:34:53 <sandro> +1
15:34:55 <Biplav> +1
15:34:56 <DaveReynolds> +1
15:34:58 <tinagheen> +1
15:34:59 <HadleyBeeman> +1
15:35:00 <fadmaa> +1
15:35:08 <gatemezi> +1
15:35:27 <bhyland> +1
15:35:44 <fadmaa> resolved: transition ORG to proposed recommendation
15:35:49 <bhyland> Double whoot! really well done guys.  Grazie mille
15:35:58 <sandro> congratulations again!
15:35:58 <fadmaa> great!
15:37:07 <HadleyBeeman> Well done, davreynolds and cygri!!
15:37:24 <HadleyBeeman> s/davreynolds/davereynolds
15:37:56 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: These seem to be specialist vocabs, where lots of people don't care very much, but some people need them a lot.
15:38:38 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Editors please comments page & transition requestions in 24 hrs, then chairs will send these out.
15:39:25 <sandro> q+
15:40:01 <HadleyBeeman> hadleybeeman: We'll Send out transition requests to W3M and W3C chairs tomorrow
15:40:01 <HadleyBeeman> We'll arrange transition meetings (to include editors)
15:40:01 <HadleyBeeman> 
15:41:38 <bhyland> Last day for publications is Dec 17th.
15:41:55 <bhyland> If request comes in tomorrow, we can meet 13 or 16-Dec '13
15:42:16 <fadmaa> +1
15:42:39 <fadmaa> sandro: can the editors do the required changes in teh next 24 hours?
15:42:45 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: yes
15:42:52 <fadmaa> yes
15:43:02 <HadleyBeeman> topic: Best practices
15:43:11 <bhyland> Report on status of Best Practices doc:
15:43:11 <bhyland> The editors believe we've resolved all reported issues in Tracker, including Issue-6
15:43:11 <bhyland> 
15:43:11 <bhyland> We've folded in the master normative & informative references but there is one more to add [Wood2011]
15:43:11 <bhyland> 
15:43:11 <bhyland> The work to link to the Linked Data Glossary is still outstanding, but isn't a material change.
15:43:11 <bhyland> 
15:43:12 <bhyland> Editors still must address the most recent feedback (Nov/Dec 2013) from Dave Reynolds, João Paulo Almeida, John Erickson & Richard Cyganiak which are very important.
15:43:12 <bhyland> 
15:43:12 <bhyland> I feel the URI Construction section is not complete. It is insufficient & I personally want to improve it. URI Construction section needs at a minimum references to RPI's design principals, Dutch Gov't reference, as well as informative guidance.
15:43:13 <bhyland> 
15:43:13 <bhyland> Do we need a disposition of comments for this WG Note? I feel this may help with transition to the next Web Best Practices WG.
15:43:42 <fadmaa> bhyland: thanks Dave for the comments
15:44:00 <fadmaa> ... editors resolved all the issues recorded on the tracker
15:44:16 <fadmaa> ... we got quite a bit of feedback
15:44:38 <fadmaa> ... we still need to review the document
15:44:52 <fadmaa> ... an important section taht I'd like to improve is the URI construction
15:45:04 <Biplav> Request to consider comments I sent earlier. Some still relevant/ unaddressed. At http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Nov/0029.html
15:45:15 <gatemezi> s/taht/that
15:46:11 <HadleyBeeman> q+
15:46:21 <sandro> q-
15:46:49 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: from teh next WG perspective, the more organised the work the easier for the next WG
15:47:06 <fadmaa> ... I am more concerned about getting our work finished in this WG
15:47:19 <gatemezi> Thanks Biplav..we will look at it closely. At the mean time, could you look at the current version of the doc at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#sumbp. TIA
15:47:39 <fadmaa> ... the question is more to the editors whether the quality is good enough even if the scope is not as wide as we might like
15:48:02 <Biplav> q+
15:48:11 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:48:23 <fadmaa> bhyland: best practices document can be reviewed. I encourage people to do so
15:48:28 <Zakim> +??P11
15:48:35 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P11 is me
15:48:35 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
15:48:36 <fadmaa> ... I want to change the section on the URI construction
15:49:22 <DaveReynolds> q+
15:49:50 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: changes to the document is more important than organising the comments IMO
15:50:10 <bhyland> For example, choosing entity URIs is only "notes" quality, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#howto
15:50:23 <fadmaa> ... is it possible to do the changes to the URI construction section by next Monday?
15:51:09 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: I mean having a stable version of the document to review by Monday?
15:51:11 <fadmaa> bhyland: yes
15:51:13 <HadleyBeeman> q?
15:51:31 <HadleyBeeman> q-
15:51:38 <fadmaa> gatemezi: I think we addressed most of the comments we received
15:51:51 <fadmaa> ... I believe we can have a stable version by next week
15:52:06 <fadmaa> Biplav: the BP document is extremely valuable
15:52:39 <fadmaa> ... even if there are some pieces which are incomplete, I'd suggest having a section that indicate non-polished sections
15:52:48 <fadmaa> ... the next WG can take it from there
15:53:07 <fadmaa> ... let's have coloured sections indicating where further work is needed
15:53:14 <fadmaa> bhyland: that's good idea
15:53:35 <HadleyBeeman> ack biplav
15:53:51 <HadleyBeeman> ack dave
15:54:33 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: in addition to talking about individual sections, I suggest we have an indication in the abstract that this document is unfinished
15:55:02 <fadmaa> ... to set the reader's expectation and indicate that furhter changes might be introduced
15:55:40 <fadmaa> ACTION: bhyland to indicate in the BP abstract that the document is unfinished and is subject to change
15:55:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Indicate in the bp abstract that the document is unfinished and is subject to change [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-12-12].
15:58:21 <fadmaa> thanks all! a great meeting!
15:58:28 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
15:58:29 <Zakim> -Sandro
15:58:29 <Zakim> -gatemazi
15:58:31 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
15:58:31 <Zakim> -fadmaa
15:58:32 <Zakim> -tinagheen
15:58:32 <Zakim> -bhyland
15:58:33 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
15:58:40 <HadleyBeeman> thank you, fadmaa and sandro for scribing!!
15:58:50 <fadmaa> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:58:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/05-gld-minutes.html fadmaa
15:58:55 <Zakim> -biplav
15:58:56 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended
15:58:56 <Zakim> Attendees were HadleyBeeman, +3539149aaaa, +33.4.93.00.aabb, fadmaa, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, Sandro, gatemazi, biplav, tinagheen, deirdrelee, DaveReynolds
15:58:58 <fadmaa> RRSAgent, make minutes public
15:58:58 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', fadmaa.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:01:44 <bhyland> @Hadley, that was a rockin' GLD WG call, congrats & thanks for pushing things forward!  Well done.
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