13:55:19 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #webtv
13:55:19 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-irc
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13:55:45 <jcverdie> agenda+ Gap Analysis review
13:55:49 <jcverdie> agenda
13:55:56 <jcverdie> zakim, agenda?
13:55:56 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
13:55:57 <Zakim> 4. new template http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/UseCases [from jcverdie]
13:55:57 <Zakim> 5. Gap Analysis review [from jcverdie]
13:56:11 <jcverdie> zakim, delete agendum 4
13:56:11 <Zakim> agendum 4, new template http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/UseCases, dropped
13:56:13 <jcverdie> zakim, delete agendum 5
13:56:13 <Zakim> agendum 5, Gap Analysis review, dropped
13:56:17 <jcverdie> zakim, agenda?
13:56:17 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
13:56:19 <jcverdie> agenda+ Gap Analysis review
13:56:27 <jcverdie> agenda+ Use Cases refactoring
13:57:33 <jcverdie> zakim, clear agenda
13:57:33 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:57:38 <jcverdie> zakim, agenda ?
13:57:38 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
13:57:40 <jcverdie> agenda+ Gap Analysis review
13:57:43 <jcverdie> agenda+ Use Cases refactoring
13:57:53 <jcverdie> agenda+ Tuner CG discussion (if time permits)
13:59:00 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has now started
13:59:07 <Zakim> +??P15
13:59:08 <PaulHiggs> PaulHiggs has joined #webtv
13:59:14 <Zakim> -??P15
13:59:15 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has ended
13:59:15 <Zakim> Attendees were
13:59:25 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has now started
13:59:33 <Zakim> +Jean-Charles
14:00:17 <Zakim> +Paul_Higgs
14:01:20 <Sheau> Sheau has joined #webtv
14:01:59 <Bin_Hu> Bin_Hu has joined #webtv
14:02:35 <Zakim> +Sheau_Ng
14:02:42 <Zakim> +??P17
14:03:02 <Zakim> +Bin_Hu
14:03:29 <igarashi> +Tatauya
14:03:30 <Zakim> +gmandyam
14:03:44 <gmandyam> gmandyam has joined #webtv
14:04:17 <igarashi> +Tatsuya_Igarashi
14:05:45 <igarashi> +??P17 is Igarashi
14:06:45 <jcverdie> zakim, list agenda
14:06:45 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
14:06:47 <Zakim> 1. Gap Analysis review [from jcverdie]
14:06:47 <Zakim> 2. Use Cases refactoring [from jcverdie]
14:06:47 <Zakim> 3. Tuner CG discussion (if time permits) [from jcverdie]
14:07:11 <jcverdie> Sheau: http://www.w3.org/mid/CEC217DF.B760%25sheau.ng@nbcuni.com
14:07:20 <jcverdie> Daniel: http://www.w3.org/mid/529EC494.4070206@w3.org
14:07:28 <jcverdie> Louay: http://www.w3.org/mid/3958197A5E3C084AB60E2718FE0723D4741498FB@FEYNMAN.fokus.fraunhofer.de
14:07:42 <jcverdie> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE#gid=1
14:07:53 <jcverdie> regrets: D. Davis
14:07:58 <jcverdie> next agendum
14:09:22 <jcverdie> Sheau: http://www.w3.org/mid/CEC217DF.B760%25sheau.ng@nbcuni.com
14:09:42 <kaz> kaz has joined #webtv
14:10:27 <igarashi> zakim, ??P17 is Igarashi
14:10:27 <Zakim> +Igarashi; got it
14:11:09 <jcverdie> Sheau: web storage
14:11:18 <jcverdie> Sheau: req 8 recommendation is X
14:11:50 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-skype
14:11:50 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
14:11:52 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
14:11:55 <jcverdie> ... req 21
14:12:10 <kaz> zakim, mute me
14:12:10 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
14:12:14 <w3c> w3c has joined #webtv
14:12:16 <jcverdie> q?
14:12:18 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
14:12:49 <jcverdie> scribe: jcverdie
14:12:53 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-skype
14:12:53 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
14:12:55 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
14:13:01 <jcverdie> if someone else wants to scribe that's ok, my line is really terrible today
14:13:37 <jcverdie> Zakim, who's making noise ?
14:13:49 <Zakim> jcverdie, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jean-Charles (28%), Sheau_Ng (52%), Bin_Hu (10%)
14:14:38 <jcverdie> Sheau: messaging API
14:15:13 <w3c> I'm in an all-day meeting, so I cannot call in, but I'm running IRC.
14:15:32 <jcverdie> who is w3c?
14:15:58 <w3c> sorry, this is mark vickers. just started a new IRC client. I'll fix it.
14:16:03 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:16:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jean-Charles, Paul_Higgs, Sheau_Ng, Igarashi, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, Kazuyuki
14:16:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see w3c, kaz, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, Sheau, PaulHiggs, igarashi, RRSAgent, jcverdie, Zakim, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:16:19 <jcverdie> Hi, Mark W3C Vickers :)
14:16:24 <jcverdie> Sheau: comments?
14:16:26 <jcverdie> q?
14:16:45 <yosuke> yosuke has joined #webtv
14:16:47 <jcverdie> Sheau: Manifest for Web Apps
14:18:29 <jcverdie> q?
14:19:26 <kaz> zakim, drop kazuyuki
14:19:26 <Zakim> Kazuyuki is being disconnected
14:19:27 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
14:19:31 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
14:19:31 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
14:19:32 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
14:19:53 <kaz> zakim, mute me
14:19:53 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
14:20:48 <jcverdie> (sorry for not scribing, my line connexion is too bad)
14:20:53 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:20:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jean-Charles, Paul_Higgs, Sheau_Ng, Igarashi, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, Kazuyuki (muted)
14:20:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see yosuke, MarkVickers, kaz, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, Sheau, PaulHiggs, igarashi, RRSAgent, jcverdie, Zakim, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:21:04 <jcverdie> Sheau: comments?
14:21:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:21:42 <jcverdie> Louay: http://www.w3.org/mid/3958197A5E3C084AB60E2718FE0723D4741498FB@FEYNMAN.fokus.fraunhofer.de
14:21:53 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is yosuke
14:21:53 <Zakim> +yosuke; got it
14:22:01 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:22:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jean-Charles, Paul_Higgs, Sheau_Ng, Igarashi, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, Kazuyuki (muted), yosuke
14:22:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see yosuke, MarkVickers, kaz, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, Sheau, PaulHiggs, igarashi, RRSAgent, jcverdie, Zakim, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:22:19 <kaz> Present: JC, Paul, Sheau, Igarashi, Bin, Giri, Kaz, Yosuke
14:22:22 <jcverdie> Daniel: http://www.w3.org/mid/529EC494.4070206@w3.org
14:22:32 <jcverdie> jc: we have two emails
14:22:49 <jcverdie> ... from Daniel and Louay with proposed resolutions
14:22:58 <jcverdie> ... any comments on these?
14:24:22 <jcverdie> ... may be wait a few days to give people a chance to read these emails
14:25:24 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:25:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:25:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:27:09 <kaz> Louay's writeup: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Dec/0010.html
14:27:50 <kaz> Chair: JC
14:27:56 <kaz> Regrets: Daniel
14:28:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:28:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:28:05 <jcverdie> jcverdie: there are a few remaining ? in web crypto
14:28:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:28:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:28:23 <jcverdie> yosuke: right, we need clarification on req side
14:28:36 <kaz> Meeting: Web and TV IG - Media APIs TF call
14:28:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:28:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:29:09 <kaz> -> https://docs.google.com/a/keio.w3.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvACjV6qSvmxdEctdjYwa2JOalZLOG10elE1LVRZNlE&richtext=true#gid=1 Google Doc Gap Analysis table
14:29:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:29:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:29:29 <jcverdie> jcverdie: how can we get some comments?
14:29:39 <jcverdie> Sheau: trace back to reqs
14:31:44 <jcverdie> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Requirements#Device_Authentication_Mechanism
14:31:56 <jcverdie> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Requirements#Device_Authentication_Mechanism
14:32:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:32:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:32:44 <jcverdie> Zakim, who's making noise?
14:32:57 <Zakim> jcverdie, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Jean-Charles (4%), Sheau_Ng (22%), Bin_Hu (76%)
14:33:07 <kaz> zakim, mute Bin_Hu
14:33:08 <Zakim> Bin_Hu should now be muted
14:33:57 <gmandyam> q+
14:34:50 <kaz> Present+ Mark(IRC)
14:35:03 <jcverdie> ack gmandyam
14:35:19 <jcverdie> yosuke: ??? (too much noise)
14:35:28 <jcverdie> gmandyam: web crypto is mainly sw implementation
14:35:57 <jcverdie> ... such mechanism is much more than what web crypto would deliver
14:36:16 <jcverdie> ... web crypto unlike EME is not deeply HW integrated
14:36:21 <kaz> s/??? (too much noise)/we could use Web crypto for authentication but it depends on the implementation of Web browsers/
14:36:30 <jcverdie> yosuke: different opinion
14:36:48 <jcverdie> ... web crypto is interface to other entities (middleware or hw)
14:36:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:36:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:37:09 <jcverdie> gmandyam: on android we're not going to open any hw interface to the browser
14:37:48 <jcverdie> gmandyam: I would put a red cross
14:38:08 <Bin_Hu> q+
14:38:26 <jcverdie> jcverdie: does it mean that we need to leave it or move it to a different group?
14:38:50 <jcverdie> ack Bin_Hu
14:39:04 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: +1 giri
14:39:10 <jcverdie> ... red cross
14:39:52 <jcverdie> ... or blank if we see it as not a sufficient solution (web crypto)
14:40:16 <jcverdie> yosuke: i don't think webcrypto is a good solution neither
14:40:17 <gmandyam> To clarify:  My parent org. (Qualcomm) has concluded that Web Crypto has no HW dependencies, and requires nothing from the HW to support.  Therefore the working assumption is that it will be a SW-only implementation.  Device auth. is not possible.
14:40:43 <jcverdie> ... if we want to find a good solution, we need to put a red cross
14:41:05 <jcverdie> ... if we just want a solution, I think we can use webcrypto anyway
14:41:47 <Bin_Hu> Based on Giri's more information, I suggest to put "blank", i.e. N/A for REQ 6 Device Authentication
14:41:53 <kaz> s/good solution/good solution for device authentication/
14:42:05 <jcverdie> Sheau: ???
14:42:18 <Bin_Hu> ... to put Red X for REQ 5.2 App Authentication
14:42:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:42:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:43:01 <jcverdie> if anyone can hear Sheau properly please scribe him, I can't hear him clearly
14:43:29 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:43:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jean-Charles, Paul_Higgs, Sheau_Ng, Igarashi, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, Kazuyuki (muted), yosuke
14:43:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see yosuke, MarkVickers, kaz, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, Sheau, PaulHiggs, igarashi, RRSAgent, jcverdie, Zakim, sangwhan, timeless, schuki, trackbot
14:43:50 <kaz> zakim, unmute me
14:43:50 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should no longer be muted
14:44:49 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: device auth => blank
14:45:16 <jcverdie> ... App authentication => red cross
14:45:33 <jcverdie> ... or a blank if it's really not applicable
14:45:56 <jcverdie> +1 Bin
14:46:21 <jcverdie> Sheau: +1 but leave a note somewhere to ???
14:47:00 <MarkVickers> MarkVickers has joined #webtv
14:47:46 <jcverdie> Bin_Hu: Giri's comment should be captured as final comment on the spreadsheet
14:48:12 <jcverdie> jcverdie: Yosuke can do this?
14:48:49 <jcverdie> ACTION: Bin to capture Giri's comment and finalize "?" in Web Crypto
14:48:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Capture giri's comment and finalize "?" in web crypto [on Bin Hu - due 2013-12-11].
14:49:01 <Sheau> s/???/give ourselves action to identify where Device Authentication Rq can or should be met./
14:49:23 <jcverdie> jcverdie: should we go through Daniel comments of we keep it offline?
14:49:53 <jcverdie> jcverdie: Service Workers. kaz, had you a chance to start this?
14:50:25 <jcverdie> ... next week for both of them
14:50:34 <jcverdie> next agendum
14:50:47 <jcverdie> current list of UC : http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
14:50:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:50:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:50:57 <jcverdie> new template:  http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/UseCases
14:51:53 <kaz> i/current list/topic: Use Cases refractoring
14:51:53 <kaz> s/refractoring/refactoring/
14:51:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:51:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:52:05 <jcverdie> ... Bin, should we do some archeology for each use case owner?
14:52:25 <jcverdie> Bin: yes
14:52:34 <kaz> s/... Bin,/JC: BIn,/
14:52:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:52:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:52:40 <jcverdie> next agendum
14:53:01 <kaz> zakim, take up next agendum
14:53:01 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, kaz
14:53:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:53:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:53:34 <kaz> topic: Tuner CG discussion
14:53:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:53:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:53:50 <jcverdie> email sent today: http://www.w3.org/mid/CA819749-78C4-4D71-A83B-F05030AC6795@yahoo.fr
14:53:55 <jcverdie> summarizing the discussion
14:54:16 <jcverdie> how can we name it? how can we describe its goal?
14:54:53 <kaz> s/summarizing/JC: summarizing
14:54:53 <kaz> s/how/JC: how/
14:54:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:54:57 <jcverdie> we would like to name it in an agnostic way
14:55:01 <jcverdie> not tuner API, not tuner URI
14:55:04 <jcverdie> comments?
14:55:16 <jcverdie> s/we would/... we would
14:55:20 <jcverdie> s/not tuner/... not tuner
14:55:27 <jcverdie> s/comments/... comments
14:55:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:56:12 <kaz> s/how can/... how can/
14:56:23 <kaz> s/we would/... we would/
14:56:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:56:59 <jcverdie> Sheau: Tuner Management ?
14:57:33 <jcverdie> Sheau: Tuner part is ok, right?
14:57:38 <jcverdie> jcverdie: i think so
14:57:50 <kaz> q+ to suggest "tuning"
14:58:00 <jcverdie> ack kaz
14:58:00 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to suggest "tuning"
14:58:28 <jcverdie> kaz: something like Channel Tuning
14:58:45 <jcverdie> ... Tuner implies something else, tuning just talks about functionalities
14:59:04 <jcverdie> yosuke: Tuner API is not so bad imho
14:59:13 <jcverdie> ... i can live with any kind of name
15:00:27 <kaz> s/something else/specific devices or software/
15:00:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:00:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:00:38 <jcverdie> jcverdie: Kaz and Sheau please reply to my email sent today so we can have a conclusion
15:00:40 <jcverdie> next agendum
15:00:52 <jcverdie> jcverdie: AOB?
15:01:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:01:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:02:33 <Zakim> -Sheau_Ng
15:02:35 <Zakim> -Paul_Higgs
15:02:38 <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
15:02:42 <Zakim> -gmandyam
15:02:44 <Zakim> -Jean-Charles
15:02:45 <Zakim> -Igarashi
15:02:52 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
15:02:52 <yosuke> [yosuke: Regarding new names for Tuner API TF, new names are likely to bring new problems. For example channels or services can bring other kind of issues.]
15:03:21 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
15:03:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:03:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:03:32 <kaz> rrsagent, stop