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14:26:14 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
14:26:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:26:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:26:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:26:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:26:19 <trackbot> Date: 04 December 2013
14:26:50 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
14:26:50 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets & Agenda Requests) [sharper]
14:26:52 <sharper> Agenda+ E-Learning Symposium Progress [justin silvia]
14:26:53 <sharper> Agenda+ User Modelling W3C Note Survey http://goo.gl/25nl1u [yehya/christos]
14:26:55 <sharper> Agenda+ Next Topic Discussion [markku]
14:26:56 <sharper> Agenda+ RDWG Flyer http://goo.gl/eXbav6
14:26:58 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Close the Loop on the symposium L&F [shadi]
14:26:59 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Text Customisation W3C Note Status [shawn/david]
14:27:01 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Accreditation of Websites [vivienne]
14:27:02 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Tips for AAR http://goo.gl/PTzghe [david]
14:27:04 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Metrics W3C Note Status  [shadi]
14:27:05 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week  [shadi]
14:27:07 <sharper> Agenda+ PENDING  - Easy to Read W3C Note Finalised  [klaus]
14:27:08 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING - Next Catalogue Topic [sharper]
14:27:09 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING - Issues and Actions  http://goo.gl/Z7XY3Y [sharper]
14:27:10 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING - Any Other Business [sharper]
14:27:13 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
14:27:19 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-rd-agenda.rdf
14:27:21 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
14:27:21 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets & Agenda Requests)" taken up [from sharper]
14:29:07 <annika> annika has joined #rd
14:30:06 <sharper> regrets: Shadi, David, Vivienne, Yeliz, Christos, Klaus, Kerstin
14:30:17 <sharper> rrsagent, make logs public
14:30:18 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:30:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-rd-minutes.html sharper
14:31:11 <markel> markel has joined #rd
14:31:53 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
14:32:00 <Zakim> +??P26
14:32:14 <Zakim> +??P22
14:32:18 <gcapiel_> gcapiel_ has joined #rd
14:32:38 <Zakim> +??P27
14:32:55 <sharper> zakim, ??P27 is sharper
14:32:55 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
14:32:57 <Zakim> +??P28
14:32:59 <annika> zakim, ??P22 is me
14:32:59 <Zakim> +annika; got it
14:33:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:33:13 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:33:13 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
14:33:14 <markel> zakim, ??P28 is me
14:33:15 <Zakim> +markel; got it
14:33:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:33:24 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:33:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P26, annika, sharper, markel, shadi, [IPcaller]
14:33:41 <Justin> Justin has joined #rd
14:34:01 <gcapiel_> I'm on
14:34:05 <Zakim> +Mark_Hakkinen
14:34:05 <silvia_mirri> silvia_mirri has joined #rd
14:34:13 <gcapiel_> As ipcaller probably
14:34:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:34:30 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
14:34:33 <Justin> zakim, p26 is me
14:34:33 <Zakim> sorry, Justin, I do not recognize a party named 'p26'
14:34:53 <gcapiel_> Zakim, ipcaller is me
14:34:53 <Zakim> +gcapiel_; got it
14:34:58 <sharper> regrets- Shadi
14:35:04 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:35:04 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:35:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:35:11 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:35:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P26, annika (muted), sharper, markel, shadi, gcapiel_, Mark_Hakkinen, [IPcaller]
14:35:12 <Justin> zakim, ??p26 is me
14:35:13 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
14:35:29 <silvia_mirri> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:35:29 <Zakim> +silvia_mirri; got it
14:35:34 <Yehya> Yehya has joined #rd
14:35:46 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
14:35:46 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should now be muted
14:36:00 <silvia_mirri> sure!
14:36:06 <Mhakkinen> Mhakkinen has joined #rd
14:36:18 <Zakim> +[FIT]
14:36:55 <Yehya> zakim, [FIT] is me
14:36:55 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
14:37:25 <silvia_mirri> sh: welcome to a new member, we are going to present ourselves, presenting who we are and what we do
14:37:41 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:37:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Justin, annika (muted), sharper, markel, shadi, gcapiel_, Mark_Hakkinen, silvia_mirri (muted), Yehya
14:39:04 <annika> zakim, unmute me
14:39:04 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
14:39:37 <silvia_mirri> zakim, unmute me
14:39:37 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should no longer be muted
14:39:47 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:39:47 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:40:25 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
14:40:25 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should now be muted
14:43:06 <Zakim> -Mark_Hakkinen
14:43:12 <silvia_mirri> zakim, agenda
14:43:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', silvia_mirri
14:43:28 <silvia_mirri> zakim, agenda?
14:43:28 <Zakim> I see 15 items remaining on the agenda:
14:43:29 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets & Agenda Requests) [from sharper]
14:43:29 <Zakim> 2. E-Learning Symposium Progress [from justin silvia via sharper]
14:43:30 <Zakim> 3. User Modelling W3C Note Survey http://goo.gl/25nl1u [from yehya/christos via sharper]
14:43:30 <Zakim> 4. Next Topic Discussion [from markku via sharper]
14:43:30 <Zakim> 5. RDWG Flyer http://goo.gl/eXbav6 [from sharper]
14:43:32 <Zakim> 6. PENDING  - Close the Loop on the symposium L&F [from shadi via sharper]
14:43:32 <Zakim> 7. PENDING  - Text Customisation W3C Note Status [from shawn/david via sharper]
14:43:32 <Zakim> 8. PENDING  - Accreditation of Websites [from vivienne via sharper]
14:43:33 <Zakim> 9. PENDING  - Tips for AAR http://goo.gl/PTzghe [from david via sharper]
14:43:35 <Zakim> 10. PENDING  - Metrics W3C Note Status  [from shadi via sharper]
14:43:35 <Zakim> 11. PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week  [from shadi via sharper]
14:43:35 <Zakim> 12. PENDING  - Easy to Read W3C Note Finalised  [from klaus via sharper]
14:43:35 <Zakim> 13. STANDING - Next Catalogue Topic [from sharper]
14:43:35 <Zakim> 14. STANDING - Issues and Actions  http://goo.gl/Z7XY3Y [from sharper]
14:43:36 <Zakim> 15. STANDING - Any Other Business [from sharper]
14:43:48 <Zakim> +Mark_Hakkinen
14:43:52 <silvia_mirri> zakim, unmute me
14:43:53 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should no longer be muted
14:44:12 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:44:12 <Zakim> agendum 2. "E-Learning Symposium Progress" taken up [from justin silvia via sharper]
14:44:19 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 1
14:44:19 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets & Agenda Requests), dropped
14:45:24 <shadi> q+
14:45:28 <sharper> ack s
14:46:46 <silvia_mirri> silvia: we have accepted 8 papers, with a wide range of topics and possible discussions
14:47:19 <silvia_mirri> shadi: registration will be available next week, it is necessary to manage the agenda
14:48:02 <silvia_mirri> it's up to the chairs to decide about a break or not
14:48:04 <Peter_Thiessen> Peter_Thiessen has joined #rd
14:48:47 <silvia_mirri> silvia: my suggestion is one hour, a break, and then another hour
14:48:59 <Yehya> we had approx. 1h - 5 minutes break - approx 1h
14:49:03 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/easy-to-read/
14:49:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:49:44 <Peter_Thiessen> Zakim, IPcaller is me
14:49:44 <Zakim> +Peter_Thiessen; got it
14:49:49 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, mute me
14:49:49 <Zakim> Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
14:49:51 <Peter_Thiessen> greetings
14:49:57 <sharper> Hi Peter!
14:50:01 <silvia_mirri> shadi: people participated at the discussion, they did not disappear after the break
14:50:15 <Justin> yep
14:50:23 <sharper> Hope all is well with you!
14:50:50 <silvia_mirri> shadi: the authors can present their paper in the first half and then the discussion in the last half
14:51:11 <silvia_mirri> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:51:11 <Zakim> agendum 3. "User Modelling W3C Note Survey http://goo.gl/25nl1u" taken up [from yehya/christos via sharper]
14:51:21 <Zakim> -gcapiel_
14:51:25 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
14:51:25 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should now be muted
14:51:31 <silvia_mirri> bye justin
14:51:54 <silvia_mirri> yehya: we are working on the note. We haven't got any feedback
14:51:55 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/UM4A/
14:52:03 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/UM4A/results
14:52:11 <silvia_mirri> simon: the feedbacks are in the results
14:52:47 <silvia_mirri> simon: yehya and christos can contact the people who made comments
14:53:38 <silvia_mirri> yehya: I'll take a look to results and contact the people who made comments and notes, to ask for clarifications, if it is necessary
14:54:21 <Peter_Thiessen> +1
14:54:26 <shadi> +1 good process with the survey
14:54:32 <markel> +1
14:54:33 <annika> +1
14:54:34 <Yehya> +1
14:54:35 <silvia_mirri> +1
14:54:36 <sharper> +1
14:55:04 <silvia_mirri> zakim, unmute me
14:55:04 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should no longer be muted
14:55:51 <sharper> RESOLVED: for the editors to make changes as specified and contact members if clarification is required
14:55:59 <silvia_mirri> zakim, mute me
14:55:59 <Zakim> silvia_mirri should now be muted
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14:56:49 <shadi> q+
14:56:54 <sharper> ack sh
14:57:25 <silvia_mirri> shadi: it is possible to extend the existing survey
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14:58:25 <silvia_mirri> simon: christos and yehya are going to work on the first part of the note
14:58:39 <silvia_mirri> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:58:39 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Next Topic Discussion" taken up [from markku via sharper]
15:00:17 <gcapiel> gcapiel has joined #rd
15:00:20 <silvia_mirri> simon: next symposium will be in three month
15:00:24 <silvia_mirri> *months
15:00:26 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Symposium_Timeline_Calculator
15:01:32 <silvia_mirri> if next symposium will take place in March 16th, we need to announce it at the end of December
15:04:17 <Zakim> -Justin
15:04:27 <silvia_mirri> shadi: maybe the timeline is to tight to make an experiment, trying new way to place the symposium
15:05:17 <silvia_mirri> we should look at early April
15:05:38 <Zakim> +??P14
15:05:56 <shadi> q+
15:06:48 <sharper> ack sh
15:07:03 <silvia_mirri> simon: w4a conference will be on early April.
15:07:14 <Zakim> -Mark_Hakkinen
15:08:33 <silvia_mirri> shadi: we can arrange to have a room for face to face meeting and some people on the phone. We have to take into account Korean timezone
15:11:31 <silvia_mirri> shadi: if we manage in the late afternoon or in the early morning, there will be no problem about available room
15:11:37 <silvia_mirri> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:11:37 <Zakim> agendum 5. "RDWG Flyer http://goo.gl/eXbav6" taken up [from sharper]
15:11:44 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/flyer/
15:13:30 <silvia_mirri> simon: are there any layout or style?
15:13:54 <silvia_mirri> shadi: first of all we should have the content for the flyer and then we can take a look to the style
15:14:47 <sharper> Action: sharper to 'Create text for flyer'
15:14:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - 'create text for flyer' [on Simon Harper - due 2013-12-11].
15:15:09 <silvia_mirri> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:15:09 <Zakim> agendum 6. "PENDING  - Close the Loop on the symposium L&F" taken up [from shadi via sharper]
15:16:25 <silvia_mirri> zakim, drop agendum 7
15:16:25 <Zakim> agendum 7, PENDING  - Text Customisation W3C Note Status, dropped
15:16:37 <silvia_mirri> zakim, take up agendum 10
15:16:37 <Zakim> agendum 10. "PENDING  - Metrics W3C Note Status " taken up [from shadi via sharper]
15:17:22 <silvia_mirri> zakim, drop agendum 8
15:17:22 <Zakim> agendum 8, PENDING  - Accreditation of Websites, dropped
15:17:34 <silvia_mirri> zakim, drop agendum 9
15:17:34 <Zakim> agendum 9, PENDING  - Tips for AAR http://goo.gl/PTzghe, dropped
15:18:54 <silvia_mirri> shadi: some comments and suggestions to editors, before w3c publication
15:19:35 <silvia_mirri> shadi: minor editorial comments. It will be published very soon
15:19:49 <silvia_mirri> markel: I'm happy to receive them and to modifu
15:19:51 <silvia_mirri> modify
15:19:59 <silvia_mirri> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:19:59 <Zakim> agendum 11. "PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week " taken up [from shadi via sharper]
15:20:17 <silvia_mirri> shadi: this is a little bit more complicated
15:20:48 <silvia_mirri> shadi: there would be a misunderstanding. This is a very important topic
15:22:02 <silvia_mirri> shadi: we have to make sure that our note meets the message of the w3c
15:22:44 <Peter_Thiessen> q+
15:23:33 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, unmute me
15:23:35 <sharper> ack Pe
15:23:35 <Zakim> Peter_Thiessen should no longer be muted
15:24:33 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, mute me
15:24:33 <Zakim> Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
15:25:25 <shadi> +1 simon
15:25:27 <silvia_mirri> simon: the note should reflect the papers presented and address the topic
15:25:28 <Peter_Thiessen> @sharper: sure sounds like a good process (I'll sit tight for now)
15:25:32 <markel> +1
15:25:56 <Zakim> -??P14
15:25:59 <silvia_mirri> shadi: the mobile group is forming
15:26:30 <silvia_mirri> shadi: before we publish, we should show them the draft, just to not surprise them
15:27:04 <silvia_mirri> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:27:04 <Zakim> agendum 11. "PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week " taken up [from shadi via sharper]
15:27:16 <silvia_mirri> zakim, take up agendum 12
15:27:16 <Zakim> agendum 12. "PENDING  - Easy to Read W3C Note Finalised " taken up [from klaus via sharper]
15:27:27 <shadi> q+
15:27:39 <sharper> ack s
15:28:18 <Peter_Thiessen> +1 to schedule
15:28:23 <silvia_mirri> shadi: the next two weeks and then the next meeting will be in January
15:28:32 <silvia_mirri> after Christmas holiday
15:28:46 <silvia_mirri> January 15th
15:29:03 <Peter_Thiessen> cheers all :)
15:29:10 <markel> bye all!
15:29:13 <silvia_mirri> you are welcome
15:29:13 <markel> markel has left #rd
15:29:14 <silvia_mirri> :)
15:29:14 <annika> bye bye
15:29:18 <Zakim> -shadi
15:29:18 <silvia_mirri> bye bye
15:29:19 <Zakim> -markel
15:29:19 <Zakim> -Peter_Thiessen
15:29:21 <Zakim> -Yehya
15:29:21 <Zakim> -annika
15:29:29 <Zakim> -sharper
15:29:39 <Zakim> -silvia_mirri
15:29:41 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:29:41 <Zakim> Attendees were sharper, annika, shadi, markel, Mark_Hakkinen, gcapiel_, Justin, silvia_mirri, Yehya, Peter_Thiessen
15:30:59 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:30:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:30:59 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:31:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:31:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:31:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:31:08 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-rd-actions.rdf :
15:31:08 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sharper to 'Create text for flyer' [1]
15:31:08 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/04-rd-irc#T15-14-47