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16:00:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:00:29 <trackbot> Date: 03 December 2013
16:00:30 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:00:41 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:00:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see AWK, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], [IPcaller.aa], Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:00:50 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
16:00:51 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
16:01:08 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller.a is Joshue
16:01:08 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
16:01:15 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller.aa is Ryladog
16:01:15 <Zakim> +Ryladog; got it
16:01:30 <Zakim> +??P5
16:01:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:55 <Joshue> Chair: Joshue
16:02:03 <Loretta> zakim, [IPcaller] is Loretta
16:02:03 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:02:55 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:03:05 <Joshue> Scribenick: Katie
16:03:37 <MichaelC> scribeNick: Ryladog
16:03:58 <adam_solomon> im on the call - i put it in irc as soon as i got on (but i dont know which caller i am - its an ip caller)
16:04:24 <AWK> Chair: Josh
16:04:35 <Ryladog> scribe: Ryladog
16:04:58 <MichaelC> regrets: Alan_Smith, Kathleen_Anderson, Kathy_Wahlbin
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16:05:00 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013OctDec/0224.html
16:05:14 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
16:05:19 <Joshue> agenda + 1) Volunteers needed to run through techniques looking for any out of date items/content.
16:05:25 <Joshue> agenda + Volunteer needed to craft a proposed response for: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2866
16:05:27 <AWK> Regrets+ David
16:05:31 <Joshue> agenda + Kick-off review of Evaluation Methodology Note <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126EM_Review/>
16:05:39 <Joshue> agenda + Continue ARIA Techniques review <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126ARIA_Techniques/>
16:05:47 <Joshue> agenda + LC-2861 is a dupe of LC-2860 - brief heads up to the group about removing
16:05:47 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2861
16:06:52 <Ryladog> zakim, Ryladog is Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:06:53 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
16:06:54 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 3
16:06:54 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Kick-off review of Evaluation Methodology Note <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126EM_Review/>" taken up [from Joshue]
16:07:29 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/
16:07:49 <MichaelC> regrets- David
16:07:57 <Ryladog> Shadi: Thansk for your time. We apologize for the delay,We got over 100 comments from the previous draft
16:08:25 <Ryladog> Shadi: WCAG_EM is a subtask of the WCAG WG
16:08:42 <Joshue> A link to the survey is available from last weeks, or directly from here https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WCAG-EM-20131129/
16:08:55 <AWK> Evaluation Methodology Task Force is a WCAG WG and Evaluation and Repair Tools WG joint TF and they are producing a W3C Note on the topic.
16:09:17 <Ryladog> Shadi: We want to be sure that the EM is closely associated with WCAG. We want approval from WCAG as a Working Draft
16:09:29 <Joshue> s/Thansk/Thanks
16:09:36 <AWK> TF link: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/eval-tf
16:09:53 <shadi>     priority: [mild/medium/strong suggestion]
16:09:53 <shadi>     location: (such as: "under Introduction heading, third paragraph")
16:09:53 <shadi>     current wording:
16:09:53 <shadi>     suggested revision:
16:09:53 <shadi>     rationale:
16:10:01 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:10:01 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:10:10 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
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16:10:34 <bbailey> zakim, i am bruce
16:10:34 <Zakim> ok, bbailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
16:10:38 <Ryladog> Shadi: Right now would be great if we can get any comments from WCAG WG on any mis-interpretations in WCAG-EN draft - and any suggested revisions, It will help us proritize the comments
16:11:18 <Ryladog> Shadi: We may fix some things after publication. Low hanging fruit we will be able to address before publication
16:11:51 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131129#context
16:12:03 <Ryladog> Shadi: New section "Relation to WCAG 2 Conformance Claim" which is of particular interest for your feedback.
16:12:20 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20131129#step4
16:12:31 <Joshue> +q
16:12:33 <Ryladog> Shadi: That section we need input on. And the entire STEP 4.
16:13:02 <Ryladog> Shadi: We want to be sure that thereare no mis-representations
16:13:42 <Ryladog> Shadi: Two sections, "Relation to WCAG 2 Conformance Claim" and Step 4
16:13:45 <shadi> Step 4: Audit the Selected Sample
16:13:53 <Joshue> ack me
16:14:06 <Ryladog> zakim, make minutes
16:14:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Ryladog
16:14:35 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
16:14:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
16:14:36 <shadi> Purposes for this Methodology
16:15:22 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:15:22 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:15:24 <Ryladog> Shadi: How well does this website conform to WCAG 2
16:15:47 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
16:15:47 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:16:04 <Ryladog> Shadi: Another use case, you are a developer of a web site, and you do QA, but before yo ship you want to do a more comprehensive QA
16:16:39 <Ryladog> Shadi: Someone procures a website and yu want to be sure the statement for confromance is valid or not
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16:17:00 <AWK> Shadi, can you also clarify the steps between editor's draft/working draft and published note for the group?
16:17:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:17:29 <Joshue> s/How well does this website conform to WCAG 2/ The WCAG-EM is designed for anyone who wants to follow a common procedure for evaluating the conformance of websites to WCAG 2.0.
16:17:31 <Ryladog> Shadi: There is a use case for validation after the fact.
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16:17:48 <Zakim> +Sailesh_Panchang
16:17:56 <MichaelC> zakim, ipcaller is Kerstin_Probiesch
16:17:56 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Probiesch; got it
16:18:01 <kerstin> zakim, ipcaller is me
16:18:01 <Zakim> sorry, kerstin, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
16:18:12 <kerstin> zakim, mute
16:18:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', kerstin
16:18:18 <MichaelC> zakim, mute kerstin
16:18:18 <Zakim> Kerstin_Probiesch should now be muted
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16:19:11 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:19:11 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:19:19 <Ryladog> Shadi: A working group NOTE is not normative, but supports a standard. The WCAG-EM is expected to be a WG NOTE
16:20:15 <Joshue> zakim, mute me
16:20:15 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:20:28 <Ryladog> Shadi: The stept to get to a WG NOTE - keep showing a Working Group draft - Editor Draft are created - but are not intended for public feedback. This is the 4th Public Working Drfat
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16:20:58 <Joshue> zakim, unmute me
16:20:58 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:21:36 <Ryladog> AK: After is it a Public Working Draft, after that it becomes a NOTE?
16:22:23 <Ryladog> Shadi: You are stll welcome to send additional comments after i is published, wewill create additional Editor drafts
16:22:41 <Ryladog> Shadi: A working Group NOTE can be unpdated failrly often
16:23:07 <Ryladog> Joshue:How do you want to receive our comments?
16:24:05 <Ryladog> Shadi: We might want to discuss for an alternative way for addressing them- once the WG accepts how thecomments will be addressedthan we can log in the minutes
16:24:19 <Ryladog> Shadi: We are awaiting you approval for publication
16:24:58 <Ryladog> Joshue: We woll provide your comments. From the survey you can find the Disposition of Comments URL
16:25:23 <Ryladog> Joshue: What is the status of the Disposition of Comments?
16:25:45 <Ryladog> Shadi: Our response to previous Public Working draft comments
16:26:16 <bbailey> q+ To say that DHS and SSA is close to making their coordinated Trusted Tester protocol publicly available.  I will work to get the public EM working draft in front of those principals.
16:26:28 <Ryladog> Shadi: Each Public Working Draft has its own Disposition of Commentsdocument. Survey is open until Dec 17th
16:27:04 <Ryladog> Shadi; If yo need more time please let us know, bu we are hoping to get things dome earlieer. Then our call will be more effective
16:27:41 <Ryladog> Shadi: Ley us kow if you are unable to meet this deadline. Please try to do the review earlier
16:27:49 <AWK> q+
16:27:59 <Joshue> ack bruce
16:27:59 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey, you wanted to say that DHS and SSA is close to making their coordinated Trusted Tester protocol publicly available.  I will work to get the public EM working draft in
16:28:02 <Zakim> ... front of those principals.
16:29:19 <David> q+
16:29:33 <Ryladog> Briuce: There is work in the US Federal Goverement is trying to find a common way to test. Particularly DHS and SSA - they have two very different approaches. I am hping that the EM document would have been better coordinated with the DHS andSSA processes
16:30:27 <Ryladog> Shadi: There are some things we can change after the Public Working Draft, if we need to, but that input from those organizations would be great
16:31:05 <Joshue> ack awk
16:31:23 <Ryladog> Bruce: Hopefully this PWD will help those organizations get engagedin providing input. I want to besure there are not conflicts bewtween those frameworks
16:32:10 <shadi> +1 awk
16:32:36 <Ryladog> AK: We want to clarify the timing. That is 2 weeks from today. Next weekwe will take some time for this. So if we can send our comments by Friday the 13th so we can make our ultimate deciasion by 17th
16:32:57 <Joshue> ack Dav
16:33:31 <Ryladog> David: It sounds like something that wecan look at it and we can compare it
16:33:45 <Ryladog> q+
16:33:54 <Joshue> ack Ryla
16:34:26 <Joshue> KHS: DHS are very specific about the tools that they use.
16:34:28 <shadi> q+
16:34:47 <Joshue> <discussion on Trusted Tester vs WCAG EM>
16:35:04 <shadi> +1 bruce
16:35:07 <Joshue> ack shadi
16:36:23 <Ryladog> Shadi: Clarification there are a number of various organizations have specific tools - WCAG EM would be at the Techniques level, by providing a framewok and process
16:37:11 <Ryladog> Shadi: Accessibility Supported  and language aspects come in. I would be very intersted to see if WCAG EMwod be compatatble with DHS Trusted Tester program
16:37:47 <Ryladog> Shadi; Thanks for your time.. Eric andI willbe processing the commenst as they comein
16:38:37 <Ryladog> Joshue: Thanks. 2 or 3 other items
16:38:50 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 1
16:38:50 <Zakim> agendum 1. "1) Volunteers needed to run through techniques looking for any out of date items/content." taken up [from Joshue]
16:39:37 <Ryladog> Joshua: We needvolunteers t look through. Kerstinhas agreed to do this, we need others
16:39:58 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Main_Page
16:40:17 <AWK> q+
16:40:20 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Probiesch
16:40:45 <Ryladog> David: Are there approved ones?
16:40:50 <Ryladog> Joshue: Yes
16:40:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:41:04 <kerstin> zakim, ipcaller is me
16:41:04 <Zakim> +kerstin; got it
16:42:04 <Ryladog> ANDREW: My understanding is what we are looking for. The Techiques TF has to do determine if they are approved or not. I would like our group to look for terrible errors or things that might be wrong
16:42:22 <Loretta> James made a review of the Failures, primarily focused on ARIA issues but also flagging a few other things.
16:42:52 <Ryladog> Andrew: Jared had pointed out some things, as have others on Twitter, etc. We just need to do a good review for outdated/old content
16:43:32 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
16:43:33 <Zakim> kerstin should now be muted
16:43:42 <AWK> Task - are there issues that haven't been identified with published techs? http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/
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16:43:51 <Ryladog> Joshue: So good we are not doing a full review of ARIA - Andrew is saying big issue that we need to review with our techniques and failures. Like the F65 issue
16:44:05 <Ryladog> Joshua: Is this what you want?
16:44:45 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
16:44:59 <Peter_Thiessen> Jumping in now and looking through the IRC log (sorry got hung up..)
16:45:08 <Ryladog> Andrew: Yes. There are afew ways to do this. Failure Techniques. It will be good for folks to scan through - some are entirely uncontroversial, but other maybe addressing the SC or is i something else
16:45:46 <Ryladog> Andrew: If we cold get people to volunteer to pick 20 afailures or techniques, we woud need 4peope to cover all th failures
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16:46:07 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:46:07 <Zakim> I see AWK on the speaker queue
16:46:11 <Ryladog> David: With ARIA do we need to change things or were we wrong from the start?
16:46:11 <Joshue> ack awk
16:46:20 <Ryladog> David: With ARIA do we need to change things or were we wrong from the start?
16:46:28 <Ryladog> Andrew Yes, both of those
16:47:06 <Ryladog> Andrew: On the Techiques Wiki there are some on your list
16:47:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:47:34 <Ryladog> Andrew: There are other issues there, it will be good to havefolks give thema pass
16:47:34 <Peter_Thiessen> Zakim, IPcaller is me
16:47:34 <Zakim> +Peter_Thiessen; got it
16:47:39 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, mute me
16:47:39 <Zakim> Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
16:47:55 <Ryladog> Joshue; How current is the Wiki page?
16:48:21 <Ryladog> James: They need to be undated?
16:48:40 <Ryladog> Joshue: Can you look through to see that it is updated?
16:48:46 <Ryladog> James: Yes
16:49:17 <Ryladog> Joshue: Do you think we should divvy up the issues?
16:49:23 <Ryladog> David: I will
16:49:24 <kerstin> zakim, unmute me
16:49:24 <Zakim> kerstin should no longer be muted
16:49:33 <Ryladog> Joshue: What do yu want to do
16:49:41 <AWK> David will review F0-F20
16:49:53 <Ryladog> Kerstin: I will look at the Sufficiaent Techniques
16:50:01 <Ryladog> Andrew: there are many
16:50:40 <Ryladog> Joshue: Let say that you will look at 20 to 30 techiques
16:51:01 <Ryladog> Kerstin: Folks can write in there names
16:51:25 <AWK> Any volunteers for F41-F60?
16:51:29 <Peter_Thiessen> Happy to help out
16:51:41 <AWK> Kerstin will review F21-F40
16:51:45 <Peter_Thiessen> sounds good
16:51:53 <AWK> Bruce will review F41-F60
16:52:03 <bbailey> Thank you.
16:52:05 <AWK> Peter will review F61-F80
16:52:18 <Peter_Thiessen> oh just noticed that :)
16:52:24 <Ryladog> JOshua: David F1 to F20, Kestin F20 to F40, Who? F 40 to F60, Peter F60  to F80
16:52:34 <AWK> AWK will review F81+
16:52:59 <Ryladog> Joshue: David F1 to F20, Kestin F20 to F40, Bruce F40 to F60, Peter F60  to F8
16:53:18 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/Failures
16:53:20 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
16:53:20 <Zakim> kerstin should now be muted
16:53:35 <Ryladog> Joshue: David = F1 to F20, Kestin = F20 to F40, Bruce = F40 to F60, Peter = F60 to F80
16:53:35 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
16:53:35 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:54:39 <Ryladog> Joshue: MC will put in the headings on the page for each individual who wll be reviewing on the Wiki Page
16:55:07 <Ryladog> Joshue: How many are there?
16:55:28 <Ryladog> Andrew: I think 90 (maybe) failures
16:55:40 <Ryladog> David: Actually  91
16:56:02 <Ryladog> Micheal: Andrew = F80 to F 91
16:56:06 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 2
16:56:06 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Volunteer needed to craft a proposed response for: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2866" taken up [from Joshue]
16:56:14 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2866
16:56:30 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:56:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
16:56:39 <Ryladog> Josh: We need someone to draft a response for this
16:57:24 <Ryladog> Andrew: I wwant someone elase to draft an initail response as a starting point. But if we can discuss now
16:57:37 <Joshue> Perfect, thanks Michael
16:58:07 <jamesn> q+
16:58:48 <Ryladog> Andrew: Basically SC 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide - the question is what if there is a button to start the movement - do you need to provide the Pause, Stop, Hide because theuser started the changingcontent?
16:58:52 <Joshue> +q
16:58:52 <jamesn> +1 to Andrew. This only applies if it is started automatically
16:59:12 <Ryladog> Andrew: Currently we do not cover or address this issue.
16:59:14 <Joshue> ack James
16:59:19 <Loretta> +1 to Andrew
16:59:43 <Joshue> ack josh
17:00:05 <Joshue> ack sail
17:00:23 <Ryladog> James: The requirement says for anything that starts AUTOMATICALLY. Andif they push a button it is not starting automatically. If the button isnot clearabou what it will do that is another issue
17:00:57 <Ryladog> Salesh: That is new content, no interference
17:01:33 <Ryladog> Salesh: If he user starts it they should be able to go back and undo
17:02:23 <Ryladog> Joshua: Who wants to draft this response that 2.2.2 does not apply - is that what weare agreeing on?
17:02:47 <Ryladog> David: I have never run in to this problem.
17:03:16 <Ryladog> Andrew: Do you want to take a few more minutes to work on this issue?
17:03:32 <Ryladog> Salesh: Yes
17:04:30 <Ryladog> Andrew: The proecess is to place our response in the Resolution box on the comment
17:05:07 <Ryladog> Andrew: Indicate in the status that you are taking it
17:05:18 <AWK> s/proecess/process
17:05:27 <Ryladog> Joshue: Salesh will be the owner of number 2
17:06:04 <Ryladog> ACTION: Salesh to draft response to 2866
17:06:04 <trackbot> Error finding 'Salesh'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/users>.
17:06:33 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 5
17:06:33 <Zakim> agendum 5. "LC-2861 is a dupe of LC-2860 - brief heads up to the group about removing" taken up [from Joshue]
17:06:33 <Ryladog> ACTION: Sailesh to draft response to 2866
17:06:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-232 - Draft response to 2866 [on Sailesh Panchang - due 2013-12-10].
17:06:48 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2861
17:07:01 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/2860
17:07:41 <Ryladog> Josh: Is it OK to Delete 2861 becaus it was dealt within 2960?
17:08:01 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Delete the comment 2861
17:08:10 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 4
17:08:10 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Continue ARIA Techniques review <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131126ARIA_Techniques/>" taken up [from Joshue]
17:08:25 <AWK> s/dealt within 2960/dealt within 2860
17:09:09 <Ryladog> Joshua: Have you done this one David?
17:09:25 <Ryladog> David: no
17:09:44 <Ryladog> David: I will put this in
17:10:06 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea.a
17:10:19 <Ryladog> test
17:10:52 <Ryladog> David: Now we are clear, I did that update. The support is intermittenet
17:11:30 <Ryladog> Josh: We have done. He will update the resolution. Do we ut in a fresh one?
17:13:06 <Ryladog> Josh: suggest we look at 5 and 6
17:13:15 <Joshue> ARIA1: Using the aria-describedby property to provide a descriptive label for user interface controls .
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17:13:21 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA1:_Using_the_aria-describedby_property_to_provide_a_descriptive_label_for_user_interface_controls
17:13:22 <Ryladog> Joshua: Number 5,
17:13:46 <Ryladog> Joshue: One comment from Kathy and James
17:14:02 <Ryladog> James: It doesnt seem to make any difference
17:14:22 <Ryladog> James: The IE one for paragraph
17:14:52 <Ryladog> Josh: Maybe this is a non-issue. Then there is Sailesh's comment
17:15:32 <Ryladog> David: I think Sailesh's idea for error messgaes is a great idea
17:15:40 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
17:15:40 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
17:16:32 <Ryladog> James: I am fine with having an ARIA techinuqe for this, can we put Saileshs exampleinto an error technique, not this one, there are too many things going on here
17:16:33 <Joshue> http://mars.dequecloud.com/demo/form-alert2.htm
17:16:47 <Ryladog> Sailesh: I  agree
17:17:07 <Ryladog> Josh: I agree, let find another place to put this
17:17:22 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_Live_Regions_or_role%3Dalert_to_Identify_Errors
17:17:36 <Ryladog> James: This is good to put it in here.......(putting link in)
17:18:36 <David> q+
17:18:48 <Ryladog> Sailesh: If you give a simple from control
17:19:10 <Joshue> ack david
17:19:12 <Ryladog> James: We are not trying to cover 3.3.1 in this example
17:19:54 <Ryladog> Josh: We agree that we will use Sailesh's example in another techinque
17:21:02 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Accepted http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA1:_Using_the_aria-describedby_property_to_provide_a_descriptive_label_for_user_interface_controls
17:21:16 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA1:_Using_the_aria-describedby_property_to_provide_a_descriptive_label_for_user_interface_controls
17:21:26 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA1:_Using_the_aria-describedby_property_to_provide_a_descriptive_label_for_user_interface_controls
17:21:31 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA2:_Identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property
17:21:34 <Ryladog> Josh: Number 6 ARIA Technique
17:22:13 <Ryladog> Andrew: I see that Jame is saying, there is a gap there
17:22:42 <Ryladog> Andrew: What is missing in my procedures is missing in each element
17:22:49 <Joshue> +q
17:22:50 <Loretta> Andrew, it sounds like you are saying there should be a failure for not marking a required field as required.
17:23:06 <Zakim> -shadi
17:23:15 <jamesn> How about "examine each element where aria-required is bieng used to convey the required state of the field"
17:23:26 <Ryladog> Andrew: Examine each element that is intended to be required
17:23:51 <Loretta> q+
17:24:28 <Ryladog> Andrew: Maybe I am splitting a hair, it seems that the title and procedure is ou of sync
17:24:46 <Joshue> ack Lor
17:24:49 <Ryladog> Loretta: I like the current wording better.
17:25:32 <Ryladog> Andrew: Looking at what I wrote before yes
17:25:56 <Joshue> zakim, queue?
17:25:56 <Zakim> I see Joshue, Sailesh_Panchang on the speaker queue
17:26:23 <Ryladog> Andrew: Maybe it is just a title (of the technique) issue
17:27:03 <Ryladog> James: H90 maybe we could add one there
17:27:16 <jamesn> "Indicating required fields using aria-required"
17:27:38 <Joshue> ack me
17:27:41 <Ryladog> Josh: Andrew, requires a boolean, it is a little difficult t parse
17:27:56 <Zakim> -Joshue
17:28:55 <Ryladog> Andrew: There are 3 options u in the air here. 1 Change title,
17:29:26 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H90.html
17:29:26 <Ryladog> Andrew: Indicating Required field rather than Identifying
17:29:42 <AWK> zakim, queue?
17:29:42 <Zakim> I see Sailesh_Panchang on the speaker queue
17:30:24 <Ryladog> Sailesh: If there is no visual indication of arequired  field what is your take?
17:31:03 <Ryladog> David: If there is no visual indication than there is no aria-required-by needed
17:32:01 <Ryladog> Sailesh: Where they have arlready problematically associated it then there is no need
17:32:47 <Ryladog> Sailesh: They are duplicates, then it is not a failure of the SC it is then a Best Practice
17:33:55 <Ryladog> James: one can use H90 to pass it or aria-required-by to pass it
17:35:27 <Ryladog> James: That would be an error in some cases if you don't give the indication out to anybody
17:35:47 <Ryladog> James: There are other ways you can pass it too
17:35:58 <Ryladog> Sailesh: Yes, I said that
17:37:43 <Ryladog> * Duplication doesn't bother me either
17:37:55 <Ryladog> David: Duplication doesn't bother me either
17:38:03 <Ryladog> Andrew: It is not harmful
17:38:24 <Ryladog> David: It does not take a special amount of time
17:38:39 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
17:39:19 <Ryladog> Sailesh: I am just saying if there is Programmatic association there is not a requeiement to use aria-required-by
17:39:35 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION: Leave open
17:39:59 <AWK> ACTION: Sailesh to offer paragraph on best practices for http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA2:_Identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property
17:39:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-233 - Offer paragraph on best practices for http://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/aria2:_identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property [on Sailesh Panchang - due 2013-12-10].
17:40:00 <Peter_Thiessen> cheers all
17:40:15 <Ryladog> RESOLUTION:Leave open  http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA2:_Identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property
17:40:25 <Zakim> -Sailesh_Panchang
17:40:27 <kerstin> cheers
17:40:29 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:40:30 <Zakim> -AWK
17:40:32 <Zakim> -Peter_Thiessen
17:40:32 <Zakim> -Loretta
17:40:33 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
17:40:34 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
17:40:41 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
17:40:45 <AWK> rrsagent, make minutes
17:40:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
17:40:47 <Ryladog> rrsagent, make minutes
17:40:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:40:57 <Zakim> -kerstin
17:41:12 <AWK> Katie, you can send to the list?
17:41:21 <Ryladog> yes
17:41:29 <AWK> Trackbot, end meeting
17:41:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:41:29 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AWK, Katie_Haritos-Shea, shadi, Joshue, Michael_Cooper, Loretta, David_MacDonald, Marc_Johlic, Bruce_Bailey, Sailesh_Panchang,
17:41:32 <Zakim> ... Kerstin_Probiesch, kerstin, James_Nurthen, Peter_Thiessen
17:41:33 <Ryladog> I will do some work to clean up
17:41:35 <Ryladog> rrsagent, create minutes
17:41:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html Ryladog
17:41:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:41:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
17:41:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:41:38 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
17:41:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Salesh to draft response to 2866 [1]
17:41:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-irc#T17-06-04
17:41:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sailesh to draft response to 2866 [2]
17:41:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-irc#T17-06-33-2
17:41:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sailesh to offer paragraph on best practices for http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA2:_Identifying_required_fields_with_the_aria-required_property [3]
17:41:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/03-wai-wcag-irc#T17-39-59
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