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15:36:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 24 minutes
15:36:38 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:36:38 <trackbot> Date: 27 November 2013
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15:45:47 <AndyS> gavinc - I did the reply for ISSUE-172 (covers TTL and TriG).
15:45:54 <gavinc> Thanks AndyS
15:46:04 <gavinc> Sorry for seeming to vanish into the night
15:46:12 <AndyS> Separately, what's your opinion on the ECHAR issue?
15:46:32 <gavinc> Jury Duty + moving platform from hardware to Google Compute
15:46:58 <gavinc> This is " vs ' yes?
15:47:32 <gavinc> and my unclear guidance in N-Triples c14n?
15:48:10 <gavinc> and the missing \
15:51:27 <AndyS> Aside from the editorial on \ (that's fixed), I noticed the CR texts has ' in the ECHAR for NT and NQ.  "abc\'def" is allowed even though ''-strings aren't
15:51:42 <AndyS> ''-string == single quoted string.
15:52:28 <gavinc> I think the following: N-Triples should allow \' to stay compatible with the escaping process in Turtle/TriG eg, \' are allowed in '' strings, and c14n N-Triples should continue to say (by accident) to escape them?
15:52:55 <gavinc> N-Triples c14n is already very much NOT Test Cases N-Triples
15:53:14 <AndyS> Works for me - no one seemed to care very much.  I'll do go docs.
15:53:47 <gavinc> I have lost my link to the dbpedia limited Turtle format...
15:53:48 <gavinc> mmm
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15:57:47 <Zakim> +pfps
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15:58:38 <Zakim> +GavinC
15:58:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:01 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:59:01 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:59:04 <gavinc> scribe: gavinc
15:59:29 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
15:59:40 <Guus> chair: Guus
16:00:45 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
16:00:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, GavinC, AndyS, Guus_Schreiber
16:00:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, gkellogg, AndyS, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, ivan, gavinc, ericP, manu, yvesr, trackbot
16:00:56 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
16:00:56 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
16:00:58 <Zakim> +Ivan
16:01:09 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
16:01:18 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:01:18 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
16:01:20 <Zakim> +??P18
16:01:22 <Zakim> +??P16
16:01:28 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P16
16:01:29 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
16:01:34 <ivan> zakim, mute me
16:01:35 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
16:01:37 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P18 is me
16:01:37 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
16:01:45 <gavinc> Topic: Admin
16:02:14 <gavinc> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 20 Nov telecon    https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-11-20
16:02:19 <pfps> minutes look fine
16:02:21 <gavinc> RESOLVED accept the minutes of the 20 Nov telecon
16:02:32 <gavinc> subtopic: action items
16:03:47 <gavinc> subtopic: JSON-LD
16:03:56 <ivan> zakim unmute me
16:03:57 <gavinc> Guus: Votes from AC going well
16:04:01 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
16:04:01 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
16:04:07 <AndyS> q+
16:04:24 <gavinc> ivan: 18 votes earlier today, all positive.
16:04:42 <Zakim> +David_Wood
16:04:47 <Guus> ack AndyS
16:05:37 <gavinc> AndyS: Nice that votes are going to the comments list, but worried that commenter trying to ack replies on that mailing list may turn off the mailing list
16:05:37 <gavinc> +q
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16:05:49 <gavinc> -q
16:05:51 <Zakim> +Arnaud
16:06:11 <gavinc> ivan: Not sure why all the votes are going to the comments list
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16:06:24 <gavinc> ... but it is done
16:07:05 <gavinc> topic:  CR implementations
16:07:39 <gavinc> PROPOSED: The WG approves the test suites for TriG, N-Triples and N-Quads
16:08:39 <gkellogg> +1
16:08:39 <gavinc> AndyS: We have tests, gkellogg has set them up. Everything is working, we should move them to their official test locations
16:08:40 <AndyS> +1
16:08:41 <ivan> +1
16:08:41 <gavinc> +1
16:08:45 <pfps> +3
16:08:47 <yvesr> +1
16:08:47 <Guus> +1
16:08:48 <Arnaud> +1
16:08:51 <davidwood> +1
16:08:56 <TallTed> +1
16:09:16 <gavinc> Resolved: The WG approves the test suites for TriG, N-Triples and N-Quads
16:09:20 <gavinc> RESOLVED: The WG approves the test suites for TriG, N-Triples and N-Quads
16:10:40 <gavinc> gkellogg: the tests will ALSO be in hg
16:11:15 <gavinc> Guus: Which W3C team person can place the tests in the official locations?
16:11:29 <gavinc> AndyS: Are we linking to a specific revision, or are we making a copy?
16:11:40 <gavinc> +1 to linking to a specific revision that's tagged
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16:12:40 <gavinc> AndyS: Right now it links to dvcs on the default branch, we can point it to a specific revision
16:12:42 <gavinc> +q
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16:12:55 <Guus> ack gavinc
16:14:15 <Zakim> +karima
16:14:32 <FabGandon> Zakim, karima is me
16:14:32 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it
16:14:35 <AndyS> ACTION AndyS Mark tests approved and email the list.
16:14:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-328 - Mark tests approved and email the list. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2013-12-04].
16:15:48 <gavinc> subaction: Semantics Tests
16:16:06 <gavinc> Guus: ??? has nearly completed an implementation of the semantics tests
16:16:19 <ivan> s/???/Michael Schneider/
16:16:29 <gavinc> pfps: Sent out announcements, but haven't heard back from them, even acks.
16:16:39 <ivan> s/subaction/subtopic/
16:18:33 <gavinc> ivan: Is there somewhere a pointer or description of which are the new tests that are relevant for this round?
16:18:47 <gavinc> ... only looking at 1.1 tests, not 1.0
16:18:58 <gavinc> pfps: Things that haven't changed should just work.
16:19:28 <gavinc> ivan: Thinking of trying to contact rdflib folks if we know what tests we need to run
16:19:52 <gavinc> pfps: ran them with owl reasoner, but they didn't pass. Wasn't too much work to do
16:22:19 <gavinc> ... not sure what we can do to get people to send in responses
16:23:04 <gavinc> pfps: at this moment we have 0 results
16:23:08 <gavinc> ivan: that's not much
16:23:14 <gavinc> Guus: One promised
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16:24:57 <gavinc> Guus: Do we just build a reasoner?
16:25:10 <gavinc> pfps: I had hopped it was easy using something from oxford, but it wasn't
16:25:53 <gavinc> ivan: If someone has an old reasoner, what is the extra work that needs to be done to create a 1.1 reasoner?
16:26:36 <Zakim> +??P0
16:26:56 <az> zakim, ??P0 is me
16:26:56 <Zakim> +az; got it
16:28:13 <gavinc> pfps: forwarding one of the personal requests to the RDF-WG mailing list
16:29:15 <Guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Nov/0139.html
16:31:45 <gavinc> pfps: Will work a bit on some Oxford stuff to see if I can get it to produce test results
16:32:07 <Zakim> +ericP
16:33:21 <gavinc> ericP: ??? passed all of OWL2, might pass the RDF Semantics tests
16:33:34 <ivan> s/???/Euler/
16:35:06 <gavinc> FabGandon: Oliver says "passing the entailments"
16:35:18 <gavinc> FabGandon: Asked him to send pfps an email
16:35:46 <gavinc> ivan: That may mean we are fine, if Michael's works too
16:36:10 <gavinc> s/Oliver/Olivier Cory/
16:36:33 <gavinc> pfps: So if I ping Olivier Cory he should send me test results back?
16:36:36 <FabGandon> s/Olivier/Olivier Corby/
16:37:02 <FabGandon> s/Olivier Cory/Olivier Corby/
16:38:01 <gavinc> Topic:  CR comments
16:38:43 <gavinc> ericP: waiting on 5 from Dave Robillard
16:38:49 <gavinc> AndyS: I sent reply on @base @prefix
16:38:59 <gavinc> ... comment 37 on turtle
16:39:10 <gavinc> ... comment 6 on the other documents list
16:40:16 <AndyS> ACTION-328 done
16:40:22 <AndyS> ACTION-328 close
16:40:46 <AndyS> to ivan, ericP - please update the test pages
16:41:10 <AndyS> The version is d2aa3c0cdec7
16:43:09 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/mid/alpine.LRH.2.02.1311171537260.23626@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com
16:44:02 <AndyS> Ivan - http://www.w3.org/2013/N-TriplesTests/ http://www.w3.org/2013/N-QuadsTests/ http://www.w3.org/2013/TrigTests/
16:44:15 <ericP> ACITON: ericP to respond to http://www.w3.org/mid/alpine.LRH.2.02.1311171537260.23626@sphinx.mythic-beasts.com
16:44:54 <gavinc> Topic: [edit] RDF Schema
16:45:34 <gavinc> Guus: Only real change might consider is the title of the document
16:45:50 <gavinc> ... RDF 1.1 Vocabulary Description Language: RDF Schema
16:45:57 <gavinc> ... would we be allowed to change the name?
16:45:59 <pfps> I vote for tradition  :-)
16:46:15 <gavinc> ivan: I know we have changed the names for RDFa, but only a small change
16:46:28 <gavinc> ... so no, I don't know if we can change the name
16:46:50 <gavinc> ericP: The objection to the change would be that we're hiding the document
16:47:09 <gavinc> ... did we change to something that's not true, but we're saying we're changing to something that's more true
16:47:29 <gavinc> ivan: We will see, if the director objects we can change it back. Not a big deal.
16:47:58 <gavinc> Guus: taking action to propose a new time
16:48:00 <gavinc> +q
16:48:40 <gavinc> -q
16:48:44 <Guus> ack gavinc
16:50:18 <gavinc> Topic:  RDF/XML
16:50:30 <AndyS> q+
16:50:33 <gavinc> Guus: Change URI Refrence to IRI
16:50:44 <gkellogg> I believe "URI Reference" is replaced with just "IRI"
16:51:01 <AndyS> "RDF URI Reference" -> "IRI"
16:52:27 <Zakim> +PatH
16:52:42 <Zakim> -David_Wood
16:53:00 <AndyS> ack me
16:53:24 <gavinc> Topic: What's new in RDF
16:53:38 <pfps> sign me up
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16:53:51 <gavinc> Guus: Who can check the document?
16:54:52 <gavinc> ACTION GavinC add syntax sections to What's new in RDF 1.1
16:54:52 <trackbot> Error finding 'GavinC'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
16:54:59 <gavinc> ACTION gavinc add syntax sections to What's new in RDF 1.1
16:54:59 <trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
16:55:04 <gavinc> ACTION gcarothe add syntax sections to What's new in RDF 1.1
16:55:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-329 - Add syntax sections to what's new in rdf 1.1 [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-12-04].
16:55:20 <gavinc> Topic:  Primer
16:55:53 <gavinc> Guus: In general we have a very informal example in the beinging. PatH doesn't like it. Thinking of ways of making more informal.
16:57:02 <yvesr> maybe the (new) diagram would help a little?
16:57:08 <gavinc> path: objection is that it seems to transition from natural language examples to IRI examples without anything in between
16:57:39 <gavinc> Guus: I can't seem to get rid of the term RDF Schema itself.
16:57:55 <gavinc> ... schema is used in the outside world in many ambiguous ways
16:58:32 <gavinc> path: Maybe just call it RDFS?
16:58:43 <gavinc> Guus: Just call it RDFS, without explaining what the S is.
16:59:25 <gavinc> ... schema.org, it's a vocabulary
16:59:39 <yvesr> in the primer now - there's no mention of Schema, without 'RDF ' or 'XML ' prefixing it
17:00:20 <gavinc> ivan: If we change the title of the RDF Schema document it should have language in the SOTD referring to the old name
17:01:39 <Zakim> -AndyS
17:02:21 <gavinc> Guus: Rest of primer discussion can happen via email
17:02:54 <gavinc> ... hopefully next week we have a version that's nearer to consensus
17:03:33 <gavinc> Topic: Timing
17:04:13 <gavinc> Guus: As long as we have completed all our comments by the end of December if we extend for one or two months we'll likely get it.
17:04:24 <gavinc> ... for things like the Primer and Notes.
17:05:27 <ivan> Well, the staff contacts would have to face angry looks:-)
17:06:21 <gavinc> Adjourned!
17:06:24 <Zakim> -pfps
17:06:25 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:06:26 <Zakim> -gkellogg
17:06:26 <Zakim> -Arnaud
17:06:28 <Zakim> -ericP
17:06:28 <Zakim> -PatH
17:06:30 <Zakim> -FabGandon
17:06:31 <Zakim> -GavinC
17:06:32 <Zakim> -TallTed
17:06:34 <Zakim> -yvesr
17:06:35 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
17:17:26 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
17:17:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:17:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pfps, GavinC, AndyS, Guus_Schreiber, Ivan, TallTed, gkellogg, yvesr, David_Wood, Arnaud, FabGandon, az, ericP, PatH
17:17:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:17:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
17:17:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:17:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items