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17:59:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
17:59:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
17:59:30 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
17:59:30 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2013
17:59:54 <allanj> agenda+ new members
17:59:55 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
17:59:56 <allanj> agenda+ TPAC Shenzhen recap
17:59:57 <allanj>    minutes - Nov 11 http://www.w3.org/2013/11/11-ua-minutes.html
17:59:59 <allanj>    minutes - Nov 12 http://www.w3.org/2013/11/12-ua-minutes.html
18:00:00 <allanj> agenda+ implementations (developing rules)
18:00:02 <allanj>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013OctDec/0046.html
18:00:02 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:00:03 <allanj>    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013OctDec/0047.html
18:00:18 <kford> zakim, microsoft is kford
18:00:18 <Zakim> +kford; got it
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18:00:36 <Jan> zakim, code?
18:00:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
18:01:04 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
18:01:06 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
18:02:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
18:02:27 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
18:02:27 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
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18:04:45 <Zakim> +Jeanne
18:05:18 <allanj> International Day of Persons with Disabilities, 3 December 2013
18:05:26 <allanj> http://www.un.org/disabilities/default.asp?id=1607
18:06:04 <Greg> Greg has joined #ua
18:06:05 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney
18:08:39 <allanj> FCC Revises Complaint Procedures for Resolving Accessibility Issues http://www.wirelessrerc.gatech.edu/content/newsroom/fcc-revises-complaint-procedures-resolving-accessibility-issues?goback=%2Egde_1854667_member_5808944761934983169#%21
18:09:27 <allanj> scribe: allanj
18:10:30 <allanj> zakim, open item 2
18:10:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC Shenzhen recap" taken up [from allanj]
18:10:56 <allanj> js: good stuff happened
18:17:28 <allanj> UAWG welcomes Takeshi Kurosawa for to the working group Mitsue-Links Co in Japan
18:18:25 <allanj> regrets: Eric
18:18:36 <allanj> Chair: JimAllan, KellyFord
18:19:19 <allanj> Use of Skype during TPAC useful?
18:20:14 <allanj> kp: was useful.
18:21:43 <allanj> zakim, close item 1
18:21:43 <Zakim> agendum 1, new members, closed
18:21:45 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:21:45 <Zakim> 2. TPAC Shenzhen recap [from allanj]
18:21:51 <allanj> zakim, close item 2
18:21:51 <Zakim> agendum 2, TPAC Shenzhen recap, closed
18:21:52 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
18:21:52 <Zakim> 3. implementations (developing rules) [from allanj]
18:22:03 <allanj> zakim, open item 3
18:22:03 <Zakim> agendum 3. "implementations (developing rules)" taken up [from allanj]
18:23:48 <allanj> -- discussion of how to keep track of implementations --
18:24:13 <allanj> html table was usable for ATAG
18:25:11 <Greg> I see various spreadsheet to Wiki converters, such as http://excel2wiki.net/, but I haven't tried any.
18:25:54 <allanj>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013OctDec/0046.html 	allanj	http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013OctDec/0047.html
18:27:10 <allanj> we will work from spreadsheet and create html table snapshots
18:27:14 <Greg> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Data_Transfer might be worth looking into as well.
18:30:02 <Zakim> -Jan
18:30:27 <allanj> Jim reviews messages
18:30:54 <allanj> js: should gather implementations, then sort them out
18:31:48 <allanj> ... see what we have, then define exit criteria
18:33:00 <allanj> kf: JS make sense. interesting cases - some SC could use the same rendering engine and create vastly different views of the same content.
18:33:29 <allanj> ... both ja and js are right. we will sort out rules later
18:34:31 <allanj> gl: implementations have implications for testing. for content testing - focus on rendering engines.
18:35:13 <allanj> js: that's right. for now we need to cast a wide net to get all implementations we can, then pick the best representations for an SC
18:35:48 <allanj> kf: order of action - how to collect info - what details
18:36:51 <allanj> js: most detail will come in the testing phase.
18:37:27 <allanj> ... need to just get browser name
18:38:05 <allanj> ja: want more detail - what i did in which menu or extension
18:38:31 <allanj> kp: some notes, or path to a file, for path to settings
18:38:58 <allanj> gl: need basic info OS, version of UA,
18:39:13 <allanj> kp: path - click this this this to make it happen
18:39:37 <allanj> ... notes are different (this is what I thought about it)
18:40:30 <allanj> kf: configuration field - UAs have different modes for rendering that might impact a11y.
18:40:37 <allanj> kp: +1
18:41:43 <allanj> kp: different versions without numbers for different users...
18:42:13 <allanj> js: version numbers are good. capture that make sense but not get everything
18:42:22 <allanj> needs:
18:42:30 <allanj> os + version
18:42:38 <allanj> UA + version
18:44:06 <allanj> if need add device type (iPad, iPhone, android x)
18:46:00 <allanj> mobile version vs desktop version may have different renderings
18:47:09 <allanj> who tested and date
18:47:29 <allanj> special settings
18:48:48 <allanj> Resolution: No meeting on 28 Nov because of USA Thanksgiving
18:49:57 <allanj> Jim will create spreadsheet and html and desiminate
18:50:52 <Zakim> -kford
18:50:57 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
18:50:59 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
18:50:59 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:51:02 <allanj> rrsagent make minutes
18:51:02 <Zakim> -Greg_Lowney
18:51:03 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:51:03 <Zakim> Attendees were kford, Jim_Allan, Kim_Patch, Jan, Jeanne, Greg_Lowney
18:51:06 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:51:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-ua-minutes.html allanj
18:51:19 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
18:51:30 <allanj> zakim, please part
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18:51:35 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:51:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-ua-minutes.html allanj
18:51:53 <allanj> rrsagent, please part
18:51:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items