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14:57:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:57:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:57:19 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2013
14:57:54 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started
14:57:56 <Zakim> +??P0
14:58:04 <nigel> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:58:04 <Zakim> +nigel; got it
14:58:23 <nigel> Agenda+ Assign Scribe
14:58:29 <nigel> Agenda+ IANA Registration
14:58:34 <nigel> Agenda+ Charter
14:58:39 <nigel> Agenda+ Actions pending review
14:58:45 <nigel> Agenda+ Actions due
14:58:50 <nigel> Agenda+ Overdue actions
14:58:55 <nigel> Agenda+ Issues discussed over the last week
14:59:07 <nigel> Agenda+ TTML WG Liaison from the EBU MIM-XMLSubs Group
14:59:13 <nigel> Agenda+ AOB
15:00:36 <nigel> agenda 3 = Charter, Face to Face
15:01:06 <nigel> next agendum
15:01:11 <nigel> chair: nigel
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15:01:54 <Zakim> +Mike
15:01:55 <Zakim> -Mike
15:01:55 <Zakim> +Mike
15:03:18 <nigel> Regrets: Michael Jordan, Frans de Jong, Cyril Concolato, Thierry Michel, Andreas Tai
15:03:48 <glenn> yes
15:03:56 <nigel> Regrets+ Glenn Adams
15:04:29 <nigel> scribeNick: nigel
15:04:58 <nigel> next agendum
15:05:39 <nigel> action-88?
15:05:39 <trackbot> action-88 -- Mike Dolan to Make sure the TTML media type is properly registered for Issue-175. -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
15:05:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/88
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15:06:27 <nigel> mike: We have closure on wording, need to communicate to IANA. Need to know who the contact is and how to respond.
15:06:33 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:38 <nigel> ... Last time it was just an email exchange.
15:07:04 <nigel> action: plh to tell mike contact details for proceeding with IANA registration
15:07:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Tell mike contact details for proceeding with iana registration [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-11-28].
15:07:34 <nigel> next agendum
15:07:56 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
15:08:04 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/ttml-charter-diff.html
15:08:46 <nigel> mike: please could you summarise TTWG at TPAC?
15:08:52 <nigel> jdsmith: +1
15:09:31 <nigel> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/tpac
15:09:41 <nigel> nigel: above is agenda, with links to minutes
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15:14:49 <nigel> nigel: summarises TPAC meeting
15:15:48 <nigel> action: nigel to take deliverables of draft charter to TAG for scrutiny
15:15:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Take deliverables of draft charter to tag for scrutiny [on Nigel Megitt - due 2013-11-28].
15:17:01 <nigel> plh: dsinger is addressing WebVTT licensing issues, which may delay charter.
15:19:49 <nigel> plh: part of the issue is that the WebVTT documents were created under a different license
15:20:44 <nigel> mike: will take up the licence issue with dsinger directly.
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15:21:20 <nigel> action-241?
15:21:20 <trackbot> action-241 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Edit charter by next tuesday -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:21:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/241
15:21:30 <nigel> close action-241
15:21:31 <trackbot> Closed action-241.
15:21:48 <nigel> action-242?
15:21:48 <trackbot> action-242 -- Nigel Megitt to Action mark_vickers to ask ig to provide input in external groups list in new charter -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:21:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/242
15:21:53 <Zakim> +[Adobe]
15:22:18 <mijordan> Zakim, mijordan is Adobe
15:22:18 <Zakim> sorry, mijordan, I do not recognize a party named 'mijordan'
15:22:36 <mijordan> Zakim, Adobe is mijordan
15:22:36 <Zakim> +mijordan; got it
15:23:38 <nigel> plh: contact Dan Appleqvist directly (the chair) with precise details of what we're asking TAG to do and provide.
15:24:03 <nigel> ... What kind of technical feedback would you like from TAG for the charter.
15:24:51 <plh> Daniel Appelquist, Peter Linss
15:25:08 <plh> https://www.w3.org/Member/Mail/
15:25:50 <nigel> topic: IANA Registration
15:25:56 <nigel> action-245?
15:25:56 <trackbot> action-245 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Tell mike contact details for proceeding with iana registration -- due 2013-11-28 -- OPEN
15:25:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/245
15:26:41 <nigel> plh: thought Mike already had the contact details.
15:27:00 <nigel> plh: will forward the original email request or provide the information here.
15:27:49 <nigel> next agendum
15:28:46 <nigel> action-223?
15:28:46 <trackbot> action-223 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Find iana tracking number for resubmit of mime type registration -- due 2013-10-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:28:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/223
15:29:09 <nigel> close action-223
15:29:09 <trackbot> Closed action-223.
15:29:22 <nigel> close action-226
15:29:23 <trackbot> Closed action-226.
15:29:32 <nigel> action-227?
15:29:32 <trackbot> action-227 -- Nigel Megitt to Inform plh when issue(s) filed in order to coordinate -- due 2013-11-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:29:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/227
15:30:06 <nigel> close action-227
15:30:07 <trackbot> Closed action-227.
15:31:08 <plh> mike, email address is iana-mime@iana.org
15:31:36 <nigel> action-229?
15:31:36 <trackbot> action-229 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Answer the ebu liaison letter -- due 2013-11-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:31:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/229
15:31:40 <plh> use [IANA #711352] at the start of the subject header
15:31:58 <nigel> close action-229
15:31:58 <trackbot> Closed action-229.
15:32:10 <nigel> action-235?
15:32:10 <trackbot> action-235 -- Nigel Megitt to Post ebu input document re: issue-288 -- due 2013-11-18 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:32:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/235
15:32:49 <nigel> Document now available via email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Nov/0026.html
15:33:57 <nigel> close action-235
15:33:57 <trackbot> Closed action-235.
15:34:01 <nigel> next agendum
15:34:30 <plh> action-239?
15:34:30 <trackbot> action-239 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Raise this issue -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:34:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/239
15:36:01 <nigel> mike: requests that the issue is codified better
15:36:14 <nigel> plh: notes that it's for pal to codify, as part of the action
15:36:35 <nigel> action-240?
15:36:35 <trackbot> action-240 -- David Singer to Consider the problem of the license change from cg to wg, with the ac and ab and staff -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:36:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/240
15:37:03 <nigel> nigel: action open as philippe mentioned before, nothing to add at this point. Action is in progress.
15:37:23 <nigel> action-243?
15:37:23 <trackbot> action-243 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Edit dsinger's proposed wording which captures the intent. -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:37:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/243
15:39:25 <nigel> action: nigel to send text version of TPAC minutes to public list - tracker will then combine the issues and actions and associate them automatically.
15:39:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Send text version of tpac minutes to public list - tracker will then combine the issues and actions and associate them automatically. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2013-11-28].
15:39:52 <nigel> action-244?
15:39:52 <trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:39:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
15:40:38 <nigel> next agendum
15:41:19 <nigel> nigel: Glenn sent regrets until Dec 5 so passing over actions assigned to him
15:41:28 <nigel> action-164?
15:41:28 <trackbot> action-164 -- Jerry Smith to Investigate interop issues using CSS familyName constructs -- due 2013-06-06 -- OPEN
15:41:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/164
15:42:14 <nigel> jdsmith: is there any further info?
15:42:26 <nigel> plh: action raised by sean, passed to Jerry
15:42:46 <nigel> jdsmith: requests assistance on this action, to understand what it's about.
15:45:36 <plh> Mike: we're not using the unicode escape from CSS. does it present an issue in TTML?
15:45:48 <plh> Jerry: I'll look into it
15:46:26 <nigel> action-222?
15:46:26 <trackbot> action-222 -- Mike Dolan to Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
15:46:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/222
15:46:26 <plh> action-222?
15:46:26 <trackbot> action-222 -- Mike Dolan to Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
15:46:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/222
15:47:42 <nigel> mike: thinks liaison went to Chris
15:48:03 <nigel> ... one liaison was posted directly to Web and TV IG
15:48:12 <nigel> ... Will take this action
15:49:09 <nigel> ... documents need to be published to the non-public (member) group d-list
15:49:54 <nigel> ... cover letter can be made public but draft standards can not be.
15:49:59 <nigel> plh: will do so.
15:50:11 <nigel> mike: can find email and rese
15:50:18 <nigel> s/rese/resend
15:50:36 <nigel> action-228?
15:50:36 <trackbot> action-228 -- Nigel Megitt to Coordinate with david singer re: vtt agenda items. -- due 2013-11-07 -- OPEN
15:50:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/228
15:51:01 <nigel> close action-228
15:51:01 <trackbot> Closed action-228.
15:51:09 <nigel> action-231?
15:51:09 <trackbot> action-231 -- Nigel Megitt to Find out which group within dvb we should target -- due 2013-11-07 -- OPEN
15:51:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/231
15:51:53 <nigel> close action-231
15:51:53 <trackbot> Closed action-231.
15:52:22 <nigel> next agendum
15:52:38 <nigel> issue-298?
15:52:38 <trackbot> issue-298 -- Permit reuse of animation constructs by allowing multiple content elements to reference same out-of-line animation declaration -- raised
15:52:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/298
15:54:00 <plh> action-239?
15:54:00 <trackbot> action-239 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Raise issue on permit reuse of animation construct(s) by allowing multiple content elements to reference same out-of-line animation declaration -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
15:54:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/239
15:54:06 <mike> IANA replied to by email
15:54:53 <nigel> nigel: adds note to issue to state it was raised due to action-239
15:54:53 <mike> ISO liaison emailed to PLH and Nigel - close 222
15:56:03 <nigel> action-239: raised as issue-209
15:56:03 <trackbot> Notes added to action-239 Raise issue on permit reuse of animation construct(s) by allowing multiple content elements to reference same out-of-line animation declaration.
15:56:11 <nigel> close action-239
15:56:11 <trackbot> Closed action-239.
15:56:39 <nigel> action-222: plh to send to members list
15:56:39 <trackbot> Notes added to action-222 Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496.
15:56:50 <nigel> action-222: plh has done this
15:56:50 <trackbot> Notes added to action-222 Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496.
15:56:59 <nigel> close action-222
15:56:59 <trackbot> Closed action-222.
15:57:08 <plh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2013Nov/0000.html
15:57:21 <nigel> agendum 3?
15:57:34 <nigel> open agendum 3
15:59:33 <nigel> nigel: raises face to face meeting topic
16:00:00 <nigel> mike: we've discussed a transformation between TTML and VTT, but we haven't discussed the use cases and requirements for co-habitation.
16:00:22 <nigel> ... I don't think everyone everywhere needs to deal with both standards. Some environments are better suited by one or the other.
16:01:01 <nigel> ... Before discussing mappings we need to consider use case and requirements for each - we may find that all mappings (both directions) are not needed or there could be an HTML5 compatibility solution
16:01:14 <nigel> nigel: agrees
16:01:49 <nigel> plh: What's driving W3C in this mapping is to ensure that people with TTML document can deliver it on the web, using VTT if needed, therefore they need a mapping to VTT.
16:02:12 <nigel> ... same thing goes for WebVTT if delivery as TTML is needed. That's W3C's use case.
16:02:42 <nigel> mike: I don't agree that both are necessary or useful. Need to understand the need for bidirectional mapping. We may not need WebVTT into TTML transformation.
16:03:44 <Zakim> -mijordan
16:03:49 <nigel> nigel: any preferences re timing or location for a f2f?
16:04:32 <nigel> plh: is the goal to have WebVTT people together?
16:04:35 <nigel> nigel: yes
16:04:58 <nigel> plh: need to have the charter agreed before choosing f2f - seems too early to decide now.
16:05:11 <nigel> nigel: I think dsinger is keen to push ahead.
16:05:21 <nigel> plh: can shoot for spring for example.
16:05:41 <nigel> ... eg Feb or Mar
16:05:48 <nigel> ... based on charter.
16:06:14 <nigel> nigel: suggests April or May.
16:06:20 <nigel> plh: who would host?
16:06:37 <nigel> nigel: happy to have volunteers otherwise David and I will have to discuss.
16:06:54 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
16:07:42 <mijordan> Zakim, Andrew_Kirkpatrick is mijordan
16:07:42 <Zakim> +mijordan; got it
16:08:13 <nigel> agenda?
16:08:40 <plh> zakim, take up agendum 8
16:08:40 <Zakim> agendum 8. "TTML WG Liaison from the EBU MIM-XMLSubs Group" taken up [from nigel]
16:09:05 <nigel> plh: circulated this last week
16:09:15 <nigel> nigel: This is the EBU-TT-D draft for comments
16:09:46 <nigel> nigel: [with EBU hat] members can comment by Nov 25
16:10:13 <nigel> ... EBU will be happy for comments directly
16:10:40 <nigel> ... [with TTWG hat on] suggests that people copy in public-tt list if making any comments.
16:12:09 <nigel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Nov/0032.html
16:12:26 <nigel> next agendum
16:12:33 <nigel> next agendum
16:12:49 <nigel> topic: AOB
16:13:43 <nigel> nigel: believes there's a US holiday next week?
16:13:53 <nigel> group decides to postpone next week's meeting
16:14:03 <nigel> nigel: next meeting will be Dec 5.
16:14:21 <Zakim> -mijordan
16:14:22 <Zakim> -Plh
16:14:22 <Zakim> -nigel
16:14:24 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:14:26 <Zakim> -Mike
16:14:27 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
16:14:27 <Zakim> Attendees were nigel, Mike, [Microsoft], Plh, mijordan
16:14:27 <nigel> rrsagent, publish minutes
16:14:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html nigel
16:15:06 <nigel> rrsagent, make the minutes public
16:15:06 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make the minutes public', nigel.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:15:18 <nigel> rrsagent, make log public
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16:18:17 <nigel> rrsagent, pointer?
16:18:17 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-irc#T16-18-17
16:19:47 <nigel> rrsagent, publish minutes
16:19:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-tt-minutes.html nigel
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