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14:28:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
14:28:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 32 minutes
14:28:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
14:28:40 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2013
14:29:28 <fjh> Regrets+ Jean-Claude_Dufourd, Josh_Soref
14:29:38 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0028.html
14:29:53 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0028.html
14:30:27 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:30:40 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
14:31:08 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
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14:58:29 <mats> Present+ Mats_Wichmann
14:59:19 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
14:59:27 <Zakim> +Lisa_DeLuca
14:59:42 <Zakim> +??P5
14:59:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:01 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:00:01 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:00:11 <mats> zakim, ??P5 is me
15:00:11 <Zakim> +mats; got it
15:00:30 <fjh> Present+ Lisa_DeLuca
15:00:34 <LisaDeLuca_IBM> Present+ Lisa_DeLuca
15:00:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:00:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_DeLuca, mats, fjh
15:00:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see lgombos, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mats, LisaDeLuca_IBM, dom, anssik, Josh_Soref, richt, trackbot, mounir, slightlyoff
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15:00:54 <anssik> zakim, ??P10 is me
15:00:54 <Zakim> +anssik; got it
15:01:00 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
15:01:24 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
15:01:35 <fjh> Welcome new member, Mats Wichmann (Samsung), http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0026.html
15:01:47 <fjh> No call next week; upcoming calls   5, 12, 19 December
15:01:47 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Cancel DAP teleconference 2 January 2014.
15:02:13 <Zakim> +??P15
15:02:15 <dom> Zakim, ??P15 is me
15:02:15 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:02:40 <Zakim> +gmandyam
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15:03:16 <dom> Present+Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
15:04:58 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Cancel DAP teleconference 2 January 2014
15:05:00 <dom> +1 on cancelling on Jan 2 :)
15:05:11 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
15:05:19 <fjh> Approve minutes from 7 November 2013
15:05:19 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/att-0024/minutes-2013-11-07.html
15:05:25 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 7 November 2013 are approved
15:05:37 <fjh> Topic: TPAC update
15:05:48 <fjh> Relevant news from TPAC
15:06:29 <anssik> http://webscreens.github.io/presentation-api/
15:06:45 <fjh> fjh: presentation api might be relevant to our group, breakout session
15:07:10 <fjh> fjh: minutes from session, http://www.w3.org/2013/11/13-webscreens-minutes.html
15:07:24 <fjh> anssik: discovery is out of scope for this specification so not tightly linked
15:07:34 <fjh> … spec is in community group, could be in scope for DAP
15:07:42 <fjh> … interest in this specification
15:08:21 <fjh> fjh: we need to figure out which group it needs to go to
15:08:24 <fjh> dom: would need rechartering if it goes to DAP
15:08:38 <fjh> … need to figure out which implementers want to work on this, that should drive this decision
15:08:43 <fjh> fjh: makes sense
15:09:25 <fjh> dom: anssik you should take the lead on getting support from implementers to determine where this should go
15:09:46 <fjh> anssik: we are doing that, Mozilla is also already engaged, talking to other browser vendors
15:10:15 <fjh> … want to get two browser vendors on board, then find WG where they are already members
15:10:29 <fjh> dom: will need rejoining due to charter regardless, but good to have group that is working
15:10:48 <fjh> … happy to serve as team contact on this if you anssik can continue moving this forward
15:10:53 <fjh> anssik: ok
15:11:23 <fjh> … want to start in community group, easy to get started there
15:11:45 <fjh> … once we have implementers then we can take it forward
15:12:14 <fjh> … prefer to use existing group, heads up for participants of this group
15:12:26 <fjh> … here is link to community group
15:12:28 <anssik> http://www.w3.org/community/webscreens/
15:12:33 <fjh> … join if you wish
15:13:18 <fjh> fjh: another interesting TPAC session was Web of Things break-out session at TPAC2013
15:13:25 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/community/wot/2013/11/13/web-of-things-break-out-session-at-tpac2013/
15:13:46 <fjh> fjh: anything new that can inform our work
15:14:23 <fjh> dom: lots of overlap with sensors
15:14:40 <fjh> … practical overlap not that great, since this work is in very early stages
15:15:20 <fjh> … interest in network service discovery
15:16:15 <fjh> fjh: anything else to report from TPAC
15:16:21 <fjh> dom: media capture TF met
15:16:29 <fjh> … discussions on constraint mechanisms
15:16:53 <fjh> … can see follow up discussion on mailing list of  TF
15:17:07 <fjh> … original goal was to move to LC in next few weeks but will be delayed
15:17:40 <fjh> Media Capture TF mailing list archive is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/
15:17:59 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/14-mediacap-minutes.html Media Capture TF minutes
15:18:22 <fjh> Topic: Testing
15:18:31 <fjh> anssik: nothing to report
15:19:28 <fjh> fjh: dom you might want to look at the minutes of the previous DAP call(s), I think there are some testing pull requests you might want to review
15:19:39 <fjh> Topic: Network Service Discovery
15:20:05 <fjh> fjh: ISSUE 131, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0025.html, goal to resolve this one
15:20:09 <fjh> ISSUE-131?
15:20:09 <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Support UPnP device discovery by Device Type? -- open
15:20:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/131
15:20:29 <fjh> fjh: not sure we can do much on this call without Rich, Cathy or Jean-Claude
15:21:13 <fjh> Topic: Note publication for Shelved docs
15:21:33 <fjh> fjh: assume we wait until Anssi has a chance to look at this, be aware of end of year moratorium
15:21:46 <fjh> publishing moratorium information: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Main_Page#Administrativia
15:22:32 <Zakim> -anssik
15:22:34 <Zakim> -dom
15:22:34 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
15:22:35 <fjh> none
15:22:38 <Zakim> -mats
15:22:40 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
15:22:43 <Zakim> -Lisa_DeLuca
15:22:44 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:22:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:22:44 <Zakim> -gmandyam
15:23:10 <fjh> Present+ Giri_Mandyam
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15:24:15 <fjh> s/Relevant news from TPAC/fjh: Lets review relevant news from TPAC, starting with the Second Screen session/
15:24:34 <fjh> s/, breakout session//
15:24:55 <fjh> s/interest in this specification/there is interest in this specification/
15:25:44 <Zakim> +Cathy
15:26:09 <Zakim> -Cathy
15:28:21 <fjh> s/overlap with sensors/overlap of Web of Things and DAP/
15:28:58 <fjh> Regrets+ Cathy_Chan_(Joining late)
15:29:03 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:29:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-dap-minutes.html fjh
15:29:28 <fjh> Regrets- Cathy_Chan_(Joining late)
15:29:33 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:29:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/21-dap-minutes.html fjh
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15:30:16 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:30:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Lisa_DeLuca, fjh, mats, anssik, dom, gmandyam, Cathy
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