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21:01:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
21:01:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start now
21:01:21 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
21:01:21 <trackbot> Date: 20 November 2013
21:01:30 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
21:01:30 <Zakim> IA_Fonts()4:00PM has not yet started, Vlad
21:01:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, kuettel, Vlad, sergeym, trackbot
21:01:41 <Vlad> zakim, this is 3668
21:01:41 <Zakim> ok, Vlad; that matches IA_Fonts()4:00PM
21:01:45 <Vlad> zakim, who is here?
21:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vlad, [Microsoft], +1.650.214.aaaa
21:01:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, kuettel, Vlad, sergeym, trackbot
21:01:49 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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21:09:07 <Vlad> scribe: cslye
21:09:42 <cslye> kuettel: Updates from Google
21:09:57 <cslye> New Brotli version pushed out.
21:10:09 <cslye> and WOFF2 tools
21:10:53 <cslye> Asking about interest in re-running compression tests for stats.
21:11:59 <Zakim> + +1.250.668.aabb
21:13:01 <kuettel> Link to the Font Compression Reference project with the new conversion tool with Brotli:
21:13:02 <kuettel> https://code.google.com/p/font-compression-reference/
21:13:30 <cslye> kuettel: Will post new instructions for tools.
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21:13:59 <cslye> Now changed from Java to C++
21:15:13 <cslye> Vlad: TPAC news...
21:16:09 <cslye> Spoke of involving Larry Masinter of Adobe.
21:16:27 <cslye> about media types.
21:16:33 <cslye> Vlad spoke informally to Larry.
21:16:56 <cslye> Larry asks what we want to get out of a new media type.
21:17:22 <cslye> How far we get is dependent on how we answer the question.
21:18:59 <cslye> Getting a good story together is the first important task.
21:20:28 <cslye> Vlad: Plan to use new compression technology in WOFF2, IETF might be a good place to put it.
21:22:16 <cslye> IETF is maybe not a good place for a standards track document.
21:24:53 <cslye> Lack of compression experts or other interest there might be bad for it.
21:24:58 <cslye> ISO might be better?
21:26:17 <cslye> Where do most compression standards exist?
21:27:17 <cslye> ZLIP Compressed Data format is IETF.
21:27:44 <jfkthame> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950
21:28:21 <cslye> Spec there is "information only".
21:29:34 <cslye> ZLIB seems legitimate enough, so it just depends on people being comfortable with IETF as a vehicle.
21:30:15 <cslye> If it starts as info only, it could move to standards track later.
21:31:48 <cslye> Vlad: The lack of process complexity makes it easier to publish.
21:32:27 <cslye> jfkthame: More formal process might help with comfort around patents.
21:33:37 <cslye> Vlad: ISO has experts which will better-vet the technology and IP.
21:35:37 <cslye> cslye: How do we decide which avenue to take?
21:36:05 <cslye> Vlad: Best that WG members talk to colleagues and bring back an opinion/preference.
21:36:24 <cslye> Vlad: will check with Chris L.
21:36:56 <cslye> jfkthame: What's the best ISO channel?
21:37:13 <cslye> Vlad: MPEG committee. Knows compression.
21:37:53 <cslye> Some overlap between MPEG and JPEG committees.
21:38:30 <cslye> jfkthame: Less experience with lossless compression?
21:38:55 <cslye> Vlad: Not a big deal. One stage of larger compression picture.
21:39:36 <cslye> Vlad: No urgent need to decide. Just something to think about and discuss.
21:40:37 <cslye> Vlad: Did Google have any advice for IETF?
21:41:03 <cslye> kuettel: Nothing yet. Maybe next week.
21:41:30 <cslye> kuettel: Might have an update in two weeks.
21:41:55 <cslye> John_Hudson: Size specific design selection, related to web/CSS...
21:42:16 <cslye> Microsoft published OS/2 proposal.
21:42:35 <cslye> jfkthame: Probably best discussed in CSS WG.
21:44:11 <cslye> Vlad: Should we have a call on the 27th?
21:44:26 <cslye> No interest. Will cancel call.
21:44:40 <cslye> Vlad: Would like to see more activity on the email list.
21:45:34 <cslye> cslye: Bram Stein from Adobe Typekit is now WG member.
21:46:29 <Vlad> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:46:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/20-webfonts-minutes.html Vlad
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22:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, [Microsoft], in IA_Fonts()4:00PM
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22:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Vlad, [Microsoft], +1.650.214.aaaa, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, jfkthame, +1.250.668.aabb
22:15:29 <Vlad> rrsagent, generate minutes
22:15:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/20-webfonts-minutes.html Vlad
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