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14:21:53 <sharper_> zakim, please clear the agenda
14:21:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:21:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:21:56 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:21:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:21:58 <trackbot> Date: 20 November 2013
14:22:24 <sharper_> Chair: Harper_Simon
14:22:25 <sharper_> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
14:22:26 <sharper_> Agenda+ E-Learning Symposium Progress http://goo.gl/bbjL92 [justin silvia]
14:22:28 <sharper_> Agenda+ Accreditation of Websites Template  http://goo.gl/OACzpz [klaus]
14:22:29 <sharper_> Agenda+ Accreditation of Websites http://goo.gl/MLs83m [vivienne]
14:22:31 <sharper_> Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Finalised  [klaus]
14:22:32 <sharper_> Agenda+ Close the Loop on the symposium L&F [shadi]
14:22:34 <sharper_> Agenda+ Next Symposium Topic Survey [sharper]
14:22:35 <sharper_> Agenda+ User Modelling W3C Note Survey http://goo.gl/25nl1u [yehya/christos]
14:22:37 <sharper_> Agenda+ STANDING  - Next Catalogue Topic [sharper]
14:22:38 <sharper_> Agenda+ PENDING  - Tips for AAR http://goo.gl/PTzghe [david]
14:22:40 <sharper_> Agenda+ PENDING  - Metrics W3C Note Status  [shadi]
14:22:41 <sharper_> Agenda+ PENDING  - Mobile W3C Note Public Release this Week  [shadi]
14:22:42 <sharper_> Agenda+ PENDING  - Text Customisation W3C Note Status [shawn/david]
14:22:43 <sharper_> Agenda+ STANDING - Issues and Actions  http://goo.gl/Z7XY3Y [sharper]
14:22:44 <sharper_> Agenda+ STANDING - Any Other Business [sharper]
14:22:48 <sharper_> zakim, save agenda
14:22:49 <sharper_> zakim, take up item 1
14:22:55 <Zakim> ok, sharper_, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/11/20-rd-agenda.rdf
14:22:57 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper via sharper_]
14:22:57 <klaus> klaus has joined #rd
14:23:21 <sharper_> regrets: Markel, Yeliz, David, Silvia
14:23:32 <sharper_> rrsagent, make logs public
14:23:32 <sharper_> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:23:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/20-rd-minutes.html sharper_
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14:31:49 <Vivienne> HI Shadi.  I keep getting "this pass code is not valid"
14:32:02 <shadi> not again  :(
14:32:43 <Vivienne> Argh!
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14:32:59 <shadi> zakim, this is rd
14:32:59 <Zakim> shadi, I see WAI_RDWG()10:30AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be rd".
14:33:07 <shadi> zakim, this will be rd
14:33:07 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_RDWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
14:33:21 <shadi> zakim, room for 15?
14:33:22 <Zakim> ok, shadi; conference Team_(rd)14:33Z scheduled with code 26633 (CONF3) for 60 minutes until 1533Z
14:33:49 <shadi> shadi has changed the topic to: conference code for today is 26633
14:34:00 <shadi> guys, please use 26633
14:34:12 <shadi> apologies for this inconvenience
14:34:59 <Zakim> Team_(rd)14:33Z has now started
14:35:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:35:11 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:35:13 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:35:47 <Zakim> +??P16
14:35:52 <Zakim> +??P19
14:35:54 <sharper_> zakim, ??P16 is sharper
14:35:54 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
14:37:14 <Yehya> zakim, +??P19 is me
14:37:15 <Zakim> sorry, Yehya, I do not recognize a party named '+??P19'
14:37:29 <Peter_Thiessen> Greetings. The telco system keeps giving me a "the conference is restricted at this time" error message after I key the password. I'll be lurking on IRC for this call.
14:37:44 <sharper_> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:37:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vivienne, sharper, ??P19
14:37:46 <Yehya> zakim, ??P19 is me
14:37:46 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
14:37:53 <shadi> peter, please use the code 26633 today
14:38:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:38:51 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:38:51 <Zakim> +Peter_Thiessen; got it
14:38:55 <Peter_Thiessen> zakim, mute me
14:38:55 <Zakim> Peter_Thiessen should now be muted
14:39:08 <klaus> Hi, are we on myglobalconference? Or zakim
14:39:11 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:39:11 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:39:26 <sharper_> zakim, close item 1
14:39:26 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
14:39:26 <sharper_> zakim, take up item 2
14:39:28 <Zakim> I see 14 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:39:28 <Zakim> 2. E-Learning Symposium Progress http://goo.gl/bbjL92 [from justin silvia via sharper_]
14:39:28 <Zakim> agendum 2. "E-Learning Symposium Progress http://goo.gl/bbjL92" taken up [from justin silvia via sharper_]
14:40:02 <annika> annika has joined #rd
14:40:04 <sharper_> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:40:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vivienne (muted), sharper, Yehya, Peter_Thiessen (muted)
14:40:50 <Zakim> +??P20
14:40:51 <sharper_> ack shar
14:40:53 <sharper_> ls
14:40:58 <sharper_> q?
14:41:14 <annika> hi
14:41:21 <sharper_> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:41:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vivienne (muted), sharper, Yehya, Peter_Thiessen (muted), ??P20
14:41:49 <shadi> annika, klaus, please use the code 26633 today
14:41:58 <sharper_> Need a Scribe <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
14:42:06 <Zakim> +??P21
14:42:15 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:43:14 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:43:14 <Zakim> sorry, annika, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:43:44 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:43:44 <Zakim> sorry, klaus, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:43:53 <sharper_> zakim, who is making noise?
14:44:05 <Zakim> sharper_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (64%), Yehya (20%), ??P21 (4%), Shadi (75%)
14:45:28 <klaus> zakim, ??P20 is me
14:45:28 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
14:45:31 <annika> zakim, ??P21 is me
14:45:31 <Zakim> +annika; got it
14:45:41 <annika> q-
14:45:44 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:45:44 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
14:45:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:45:52 <Justin> Justin has joined #rd
14:45:55 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:45:55 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:46:11 <Vivienne> yup
14:46:12 <klaus> yes
14:46:15 <klaus> no
14:46:19 <klaus> o.k.
14:46:22 <klaus> no
14:46:24 <Vivienne> all good
14:46:25 <Peter_Thiessen> all good
14:46:25 <annika> ok
14:46:45 <shadi> scribe: Yehya
14:47:10 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is Justin
14:47:10 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
14:47:20 <Yehya> SH: e-learning symposium first
14:47:45 <Yehya> Justin: we have got 7 - 8 papers
14:47:47 <shadi> q+
14:47:55 <sharper_> ack shadi
14:47:56 <shadi> q- ??p21
14:48:52 <Yehya> SAZ: the reviewer should start reviewing
14:49:15 <silvia_mirri> After the meeting I'm going to assign papers to reviewers
14:51:39 <Yehya> Zakim, take up next
14:51:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Accreditation of Websites Template  http://goo.gl/OACzpz" taken up [from klaus]
14:52:35 <klaus> zakim, unmute me
14:52:35 <Zakim> klaus should no longer be muted
14:52:42 <Yehya> SH: this a template for accessibility accreditation
14:53:03 <sharper_>  http://goo.gl/OACzpz
14:53:23 <Vivienne> its fine.  You have to scroll down to the link to the template
14:54:06 <Yehya> Klaus: we shoudl keep it readable and managable
14:54:52 <Yehya> Klaus: author and co-author are there. Not sure if we shoudl give refrence to RDWG groupe
14:56:38 <Yehya> Klaus: if this is okay, we can start then start defining examples filing the template
14:56:44 <Vivienne> ack me
14:57:20 <shadi> +1 -- author is RDWG
14:57:42 <Yehya> Vivienne: the template is helpful. may be te editor(s) instead of the author
14:57:52 <shadi> [contact could be RDWG list too]
14:58:49 <shadi> q+
14:58:53 <sharper_> ack sha
14:58:55 <Yehya> contact : road map and goal may be the same. We should think about merging the two
14:59:08 <klaus> zakim, mute me
14:59:08 <Zakim> klaus should now be muted
14:59:12 <shadi> ack me
15:00:03 <Yehya> SAZ: I agree the author is RDWG, so add editor(s). Contact to RDWG
15:01:08 <Yehya> SAZ: change problem to challenges. road map is too loaded word, Merge goals and road map to future directions
15:01:26 <Justin> +1
15:01:31 <Yehya> ´+1
15:01:33 <Vivienne> +1
15:01:35 <klaus> +1
15:01:35 <Peter_Thiessen> +1
15:01:38 <sharper_> +1
15:01:42 <Peter_Thiessen> (Agree with Shadi's comments also)
15:01:45 <annika> +1
15:01:47 <shadi> +1
15:01:59 <klaus> +1
15:01:59 <Vivienne> and take out the wording for 'road map'
15:02:01 <Justin> +1
15:02:04 <sharper_> +1
15:02:05 <annika> +1
15:02:06 <Vivienne> +1
15:02:12 <Yehya> +1
15:02:59 <sharper_> RESOLVED: change problem to challenges. road map is too loaded word, Merge goals and road map to future directions
15:03:00 <silvia_mirri> +1
15:03:12 <sharper_> RESOLVED: Change Authors to Editors
15:03:33 <Vivienne> sure will do
15:03:40 <klaus> yes!
15:03:54 <Yehya> Zakim, take up next
15:03:56 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Accreditation of Websites http://goo.gl/MLs83m" taken up [from vivienne]
15:03:59 <sharper_> http://goo.gl/MLs83m
15:04:30 <Vivienne> ack me
15:05:11 <sharper_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2013Nov/0035.html
15:07:10 <sharper_> http://goo.gl/oi81LD
15:07:19 <Yehya> Vivienne: I have done a summary, I am wondering about the links I got, where to put them. I can put as well David's comment sent today
15:07:36 <klaus> sorry but have to leave early today to catch a train - bye
15:07:42 <Zakim> -klaus
15:08:59 <Yehya> SH: you need feedback on the length and content. I suggest to send a survey to the groupe
15:09:27 <shadi> q+
15:09:31 <Yehya> Vivienne: I want to make some canges beyond the resolution we made last time
15:09:36 <sharper_> ack  shadi
15:10:50 <Yehya> SAZ: This a write up of the discussion. What is the intent, I tink it was to create a catalouge item
15:12:36 <annika> q+
15:12:43 <Yehya> SH: the summerisation is the result which is useful for future work, but not te full transcript
15:13:25 <Yehya> SAZ: we are using this topic to learn.
15:14:28 <Yehya> SAZ: the discssion helps to create the catalouge item(s). We should not refer to the discussion telco we had in September
15:15:20 <Yehya> SAZ: We should try to look to te broader work and not to the discussion, which has no stand in W3C means
15:15:35 <shadi> q+ to talk about referencing the discussion rather than making it the center piece
15:15:51 <sharper_> ack annika
15:16:10 <shadi> q+ to react on "ivory tower" statement
15:17:15 <sharper_> ack shadi
15:17:15 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to talk about referencing the discussion rather than making it the center piece and to react on "ivory tower" statement
15:17:21 <Yehya> Annika: agree to Shadi's comment. We should get rid of the style of meeting's minutes
15:17:33 <annika> zakim, mute me
15:17:33 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
15:19:29 <Yehya> SH: if we do not tell about the discussion could confuse people
15:20:51 <Vivienne> q+
15:21:01 <sharper_> ack viv
15:22:15 <shadi> q+
15:22:54 <Yehya> Vivienne: I conclude I will rewrite the item. This will be public and everybody can contribute. I make it as a sumary of a topic rather than a discussion/ meeting
15:23:52 <sharper_> ack shadi
15:25:21 <Yehya> SAZ: I agree it should be short. The language is earher narrative, it should be cleaned up with short sentences / pargraphs
15:28:20 <Yehya> Vivienne: The summary will refelct the groupe consensus
15:29:19 <Yehya> SAZ: phone calls is an instruments to create common understanding within the groupe
15:30:19 <Justin> toodles
15:30:22 <Peter_Thiessen> cheers all
15:30:24 <annika> bye
15:30:24 <Vivienne> good night!
15:30:27 <Zakim> -sharper
15:30:29 <Zakim> -Peter_Thiessen
15:30:30 <Zakim> -annika
15:30:30 <Zakim> -Yehya
15:30:31 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:30:36 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:30:43 <silvia_mirri> bye
15:31:14 <Zakim> -Justin
15:31:16 <Zakim> Team_(rd)14:33Z has ended
15:31:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Vivienne, sharper, Yehya, Peter_Thiessen, Shadi, klaus, annika, Justin
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16:42:51 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
16:42:51 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:42:51 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:42:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:42:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/20-rd-minutes.html trackbot
16:43:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:43:00 <RRSAgent> I see no action items