14:56:01 RRSAgent has joined #dap 14:56:01 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-dap-irc 14:56:03 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:56:03 Zakim has joined #dap 14:56:05 Zakim, this will be DAP 14:56:05 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 14:56:06 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 14:56:06 Date: 07 November 2013 14:57:13 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0021.html 14:57:28 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0021.html 14:57:44 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 14:57:48 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 14:57:54 Regrets+ Josh_Soref 14:58:04 ScribeNick: fjh 14:58:13 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:58:54 fjh: No call next week (TPAC) 14 Nov; no call US Thanksgiving week (28 Nov) 14:59:13 fjh: Upcoming calls: week after TPAC (21 Nov), 5 Dec, 12 Dec, 19 Dec 15:00:59 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 15:01:41 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:01:42 Attendees were 15:01:55 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 15:02:13 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 15:02:13 sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' 15:02:19 zakim, who is here? 15:02:19 On the phone I see no one 15:02:20 On IRC I see RRSAgent, fjh, igarashi, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:02:52 Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen 15:03:47 gmandyam has joined #dap 15:04:01 zakim, who is here? 15:04:01 On the phone I see no one 15:04:02 On IRC I see gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, igarashi, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:04:34 zakim, who is here? 15:04:34 On the phone I see no one 15:04:35 On IRC I see gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, igarashi, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:05:07 Present+ GIri_Mandyam 15:05:09 jcdufourd has joined #dap 15:05:54 Present+ Tatsuya_Igarashi 15:06:18 Present+ gmandyam 15:06:59 Present+ JeanClaude_Dufourd 15:07:39 RfC: Updates of the Technical Reports process; deadline November 27, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0158.html 15:07:45 additional git information http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0177.html 15:08:20 publishing moratorium information: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Main_Page#Administrativia 15:11:24 http://www.w3.org/mid/5265397C.7000805@w3.org 15:11:52 maybe of interest, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2013OctDec/0029.html 15:12:51 gmandyam: rechartering of Geolocation happening 15:13:29 also relevant to this group is this breakout session at TPAC: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Second_Screen_for_the_Web 15:14:09 Geolocation rechartering is proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2013Nov/0003.html 15:14:31 There is also a proposed breakout session for TPAC regarding next steps for the Geolocation WG 15:14:35 also relevant Web of Things, http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Web_of_Things 15:14:42 related to network service discovery 15:15:09 Breakout session for Geolocation: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2013/SessionIdeas#Moving_Forward_on_Geolocation_API 15:15:27 DeviceOrientation is also part of the proposed rechartering of the Geo WG 15:15:42 i/maybe of interest/Topic: TPAC sessons 15:15:57 Topic: Minutes approval 15:16:04 Approve minutes from 31 October 2013 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/att-0009/minutes-2013-10-31.html 15:16:12 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 31 October 2013 are approved 15:16:21 Topic: Test Updates - Proximity, Light 15:16:28 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0014.html 15:17:07 fjh: Zhiqiang added some IDL harness tests and initial value checking tests for Ambient Light Events [1] and Proximity Events [2] 15:17:12 fjh: what comes next? 15:17:21 fjh: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0014.html 15:17:40 anssik: this should now be fully aligned with specification but have not been able to review 15:17:51 … upon review can merge them 15:18:20 fjh: does this mean you have an implementation as well 15:18:37 anssik: cannot say right now about our plans 15:19:17 … not sure webkit implementation is shipping, Samsung people might know latest 15:19:18 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#Proximity_Events 15:19:48 fjh: I would like to get implementers looking at the test cases and see if we can get interop started 15:20:12 anssik: should probably check with Kihong Kwon 15:20:15 Cathy has joined #dap 15:20:51 fjh: we need at least two real implementations to exit CR 15:21:10 anssik: vibration is turned on Chrome but not the others as far as I know 15:21:27 fjh: does it match latest, 2nd CR of Vibration 15:21:40 anssik: yes, it matches the latest (afaik) 15:21:53 … Gecko may need revision 15:22:21 … Justin Lebar has moved roles, so need to know who is working on this now 15:22:29 Present+ Cathy_Chan 15:22:34 fjh: I'll check offline 15:22:50 zakim, who is here? 15:22:50 On the phone I see no one 15:22:51 On IRC I see Cathy, jcdufourd, gmandyam, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, igarashi, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:24:20 anssik: I can check at TPAC about implementations and testing for Proximity, Light, Vibration 15:25:40 Cathy has joined #dap 15:27:23 gmandyam: possible concern that device orientation may be changed to use promise based approach, yet some DAP specifications have not advanced. 15:28:19 fjh: Media capture TF has elected not to use promises 15:28:32 gmandyam: sys apps and web crypto have incorporated promises 15:28:35 fjh: right 15:29:00 gmandyam: issue is when promises will be stable and finalized 15:29:01 btw. IE11 added support for Device Orientation Events http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/dn433240(v=vs.85).aspx 15:29:37 gmandyam: other issue is functionality of device orientation, do we need consistency? 15:30:19 … android also supports device orientation events 15:31:17 … this microsoft approach is argument against a change from the event method we use in DAP, already deployed 15:31:55 Topic: Vibration 15:32:03 ISSUE-156? 15:32:03 ISSUE-156 -- add the [Clamp] attribute to the argument of the vibrate method -- open 15:32:03 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/156 15:32:23 decided to defer on list since the underlying specification is not stable 15:32:32 To summarize: Changing DeviceOrientation from an EventTarget approach would likely by too large a change to be supported by implementations, given e.g. IE support for the spec as it stands. 15:32:48 close ACTION-670 15:32:48 Closed ACTION-670. 15:32:54 ACTION-670? 15:32:54 ACTION-670 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Review issue-156 and add clamp to vibration specification -- due 2013-11-07 -- CLOSED 15:32:54 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/670 15:33:15 Topic: Network Service Discovery 15:33:25 Updated implementation using promises, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0003.html (Jean-Claude) 15:33:36 Plan for PING privacy review in January 15:33:54 fjh: Rich will participate PING review, others welcome 15:34:09 fjh: we need to explain the spec, so anything we can do to clarify would be useful 15:34:32 Frederick - have to drop out. Hope to see everyone at TPAC. 15:35:07 Also arranging security issues discussion with WebAppSec to be followed by review 15:35:33 fjh: this will be a call, not TPAC 15:36:11 zakim, who is here? 15:36:11 On the phone I see no one 15:36:12 On IRC I see Cathy, jcdufourd, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mounir, anssik, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, trackbot 15:36:22 cannot discuss without Rich on call 15:36:44 cathy: stuck on whether to go forward with device support 15:36:51 fjh: waiting on Rich to respond to that thread 15:37:20 fjh: will ask Rich offline 15:37:46 Topic: Note publication 15:37:54 CfC concluded http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0010.html 15:38:19 action: anssik to prepare shelved Note publications after TPAC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Nov/0010.html 15:38:21 Created ACTION-671 - Prepare shelved note publications after tpac http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-device-apis/2013nov/0010.html [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2013-11-14]. 15:39:05 Topic: Other Business 15:39:47 TPAC transport, shuttles will be best 15:44:17 Topic: Adjourn 15:44:21 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:44:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/07-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:45:19 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:45:20 Attendees were 15:45:32 igarashi has joined #dap 17:37:03 Zakim has left #dap