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16:03:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
16:03:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
16:03:02 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
16:03:02 <trackbot> Date: 05 November 2013
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16:03:46 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:46 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, adrianba
16:03:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see BobLund, Zakim, RRSAgent, adrianba, acolwell, markw, jdsmith, pal, pladd, trackbot, wseltzer
16:03:57 <adrianba> zakim, this is html_wg
16:03:57 <Zakim> ok, adrianba; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
16:04:00 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], markw, pladd, [Microsoft.a], Aaron_Colwell
16:04:04 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
16:04:05 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
16:04:33 <Zakim> +pal
16:05:04 <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Oct/0043.html
16:05:12 <adrianba> Chair: Aaron Colwell
16:05:18 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
16:05:23 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
16:05:34 <adrianba> TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
16:05:48 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:05:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], markw, pladd, adrianba, Aaron_Colwell, pal
16:05:57 <adrianba> acolwell: done
16:06:07 <adrianba> TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
16:06:12 <adrianba> acolwell: posted
16:06:32 <adrianba> TOPIC: Review of action items and issues
16:06:38 <acolwell> https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/43
16:06:46 <Zakim> +BobLund
16:07:10 <adrianba> TOPIC: status of bugs
16:07:15 <adrianba> acolwell: as of this morning 3 open
16:07:18 <adrianba> TOPIC: Unresolved Last Call bugs
16:07:28 <adrianba> TOPIC: Bug 23169 - reconsider the jitter video quality metrics again
16:07:34 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23169
16:07:58 <markw> q+
16:08:11 <adrianba> acolwell: lots of discussion - aaron can live with won't fixing this
16:08:25 <adrianba> ... believe paul contacted dsinger who said he would contact the appropriate people
16:08:29 <adrianba> ... not heard anything
16:08:33 <adrianba> ack next
16:08:49 <adrianba> markw: i think one of the original comments was about microsecond granularity
16:09:05 <adrianba> ... so i think we have to consider this rather than won't fixing the whole iess
16:09:09 <jdsmith> q+
16:09:10 <adrianba> s/iess/issue/
16:09:29 <adrianba> markw: current spec seems infeasible - perhaps say as accurate as one refresh interval
16:09:49 <adrianba> acolwell: i could propose text - should we change micro to milli
16:09:51 <adrianba> ack next
16:10:16 <adrianba> jdsmith: we talked about maybe 1 millisecond resolution - realistically refresh rates will be in multiple millisecond
16:10:50 <adrianba> markw: units could still be microseconds - don't think we could say millisecond - think it should be in terms of frame interval
16:11:02 <adrianba> acolwell: mark, could you propose some text?
16:11:07 <adrianba> markw: okay?
16:11:21 <adrianba> acolwell: any other questions on this one?
16:11:49 <adrianba> adrianba: mark are you okay to provide text?
16:11:52 <adrianba> markw: yes
16:12:02 <adrianba> TOPIC: Bug 23441 - Establish an MSE bytestream format registry
16:12:09 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23441
16:12:24 <adrianba> acolwell: i checked in a change for this yesterday - made changes so MSE doesn't refer to a specific format
16:12:26 <adrianba> q+
16:12:43 <adrianba> ... need to do another pass - consider this done though - new bugs if there are other tweaks needed
16:14:58 <adrianba> adrianba: two issues
16:15:24 <adrianba> ... 1) not sure if we lost the sense of "you don't have to support this format but if you do you should do it this way"
16:15:39 <adrianba> ... 2) we have to figure out how to publish the break-out documents - perhaps as W3C Notes
16:15:44 <adrianba> ... or maybe something less formal
16:15:54 <adrianba> ... not a major problem but something we need to think through
16:16:05 <adrianba> acolwell: yes, not sure how we will regulate additions
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16:16:41 <adrianba> adrianba: i think we need people to look through these changes and give feedback
16:16:59 <adrianba> acolwell: agree - i started with glenn's key system document removing the tricky parts of key systems
16:17:04 <adrianba> ... it's bare bones right now
16:17:16 <pal> q+
16:17:18 <adrianba> ... might need more structure for media formats
16:17:37 <Zakim> +AWK
16:17:39 <adrianba> ... the other thing is whether we need different editors so the people who care about those formats have more ownership
16:18:06 <adrianba> pal: i'm reading the proposed text - it says it is the authoritative source of formats
16:18:13 <adrianba> ... if it isn't listed should it not work?
16:18:32 <adrianba> acolwell: we can't stop that but people who accept a format should register the format so we get interop
16:18:47 <adrianba> ... you can do what you want with MSE but if you want interop then you should register
16:18:58 <adrianba> pal: the registry doesn't say what implementations support
16:19:05 <adrianba> acolwell: yes, you have to use the API to determine that
16:19:24 <adrianba> pal: right, i think the sentence is misleading because it suggests that if it is not there at can't be implemented
16:19:47 <adrianba> ... someone could support something not listed and still find out with isTypeSupported
16:20:00 <adrianba> acolwell: yes, but that's not ideal - rather that they filed a bug with proposed text
16:20:06 <adrianba> q?
16:20:10 <adrianba> ack next
16:20:12 <adrianba> ack next
16:20:37 <adrianba> acolwell: ACTION-43 is closed
16:20:47 <adrianba> TOPIC: Bug 23558 - Requirement to ignore additional top-level boxes in ISO BMFF limits forward compatibility.
16:20:54 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23558
16:21:09 <adrianba> acolwell: mark and i responded - don't think we've come to a conclusion yet
16:21:12 <markw> I just suggested we close WONT FIX
16:22:00 <adrianba> markw: i think the existing text is fine - if i come up with better text then we can look later
16:22:17 <adrianba> acolwell: now that iso is not in the MSE spec it technically shouldn't be a blocker
16:22:25 <adrianba> ... resolving the bug right now WONTFIX
16:22:47 <adrianba> close ACTION-45
16:22:47 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-45.
16:23:08 <adrianba> TOPIC: Bug 23661 - video stream requirement would restrict sign-language use cases
16:23:14 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23661
16:23:31 <adrianba> acolwell: resolved WORKSFORME this morning because we're not restricting anything
16:23:38 <adrianba> close ACTION-46
16:23:38 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-46.
16:23:38 <pal> Proposed text: "The byte stream format registry provides a mapping between return values of canPlayType() and byte stream format specifications."
16:23:46 <adrianba> TOPIC: Bug 23663 - Section 2.4.4 is not clear about whether it runs while seeking
16:23:48 <adrianba> q+
16:23:57 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23663
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16:25:48 <adrianba> adrianba: was planning to find a bug to dup this to indicating that we wanted someone to work on a primer
16:25:54 <adrianba> acolwell: i will make the text change i indicated
16:26:15 <adrianba> acolwell: i will make the text change today - simple one line change
16:27:22 <adrianba> adrianba: so we'll close 23663 later today and then we just need text for the jitter issue
16:27:31 <Zakim> +ddorwin
16:29:09 <adrianba> adrianba: if mark can add the text for 23169 to the bug and we give people a couple of days to review
16:29:13 <adrianba> ... then we can add to the spec and close
16:29:27 <adrianba> ... i think we've met the requirement of contacting people who reported issues using Bugzilla
16:29:48 <adrianba> TOPIC: Exiting from Last Call
16:30:05 <adrianba> acolwell: i'm not an expert here - not sure if i can lead this
16:30:10 <adrianba> adrianba: i can talk through this
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16:33:30 <Zakim> -AWK
16:34:31 <acolwell> q+
16:35:31 <adrianba> ack next
16:35:35 <adrianba> ack next
16:38:43 <adrianba> adrianba: [discussion of LC to CR process]
16:38:50 <adrianba> acolwell: any other questions?
16:39:44 <adrianba> pal: i suggested some text in 23441
16:39:45 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23441#c2
16:40:11 <pal> The statement "the byte stream format registry is the authoritative source for byte stream format specifications that can be accepted by a SourceBuffer" implies that implementations cannot support a byte stream unless it is listed in the registry. Per the call earlier, this does not sound like it is the objective.
16:40:11 <pal> Suggest instead: "The byte stream format registry provides a mapping between return values of canPlayType() and byte stream format specifications."
16:40:35 <adrianba> acolwell: we would need to tweak this - these are values for isTypeSupported
16:40:53 <adrianba> pal: my point is to make a statement of fact instead of something normative
16:41:10 <adrianba> ... if you want to see what is the defining spec for a particular format go see this registry
16:41:36 <adrianba> acolwell: part of the reason why i was using authoritative source text was to try to have the weight of saying you have to implement it this way
16:41:48 <adrianba> ... adrian's comments suggest i wasn't successful
16:41:57 <adrianba> ... so i will try again to address both your concerns
16:42:00 <adrianba> pal: thank you
16:42:20 <Zakim> -pladd
16:42:21 <adrianba> TOPIC: Any other business
16:42:25 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:42:25 <adrianba> acolwell: nothing
16:42:27 <pal> see you next week
16:42:31 <Zakim> -pal
16:42:34 <Zakim> -adrianba
16:42:36 <Zakim> -markw
16:42:37 <Zakim> -BobLund
16:42:38 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
16:42:40 <Zakim> -Aaron_Colwell
16:42:46 <adrianba> acolwell: i think we're done for today
16:42:53 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:42:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/05-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
16:42:57 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
16:43:01 <adrianba> zakim, bye
16:43:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were [Microsoft], markw, pladd, Aaron_Colwell, adrianba, pal, BobLund, AWK, ddorwin
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16:43:06 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
16:43:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/11/05-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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