15:16:52 RRSAgent has joined #dpub 15:16:52 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/11/04-dpub-irc 15:16:54 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:16:54 Zakim has joined #dpub 15:16:56 Zakim, this will be dpub 15:16:56 ok, trackbot; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 44 minutes 15:16:57 Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference 15:16:57 Date: 04 November 2013 15:19:31 astearns has joined #dpub 15:42:02 mgylling has joined #dpub 15:44:34 mgylling has joined #dpub 15:49:25 fjh has joined #dpub 15:53:17 azaroth has joined #DPUB 15:53:30 Morning all :) 15:55:53 madi has joined #dpub 15:56:13 tzviya has joined #dpub 15:56:52 SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started 15:56:58 +Tzviya 15:57:18 +dauwhe 15:59:04 brady_duga has joined #dpub 15:59:20 zakim, dial ivan-voip 15:59:20 ok, ivan; the call is being made 15:59:22 +Ivan 15:59:40 +duga 15:59:50 +mgylling 15:59:58 + +1.917.447.aaaa 16:00:10 + +1.617.453.aabb 16:00:23 +plinss 16:00:52 Sharad has joined #dpub 16:01:13 lizadaly has joined #dpub 16:01:15 +madi 16:01:17 regrets: Laura Fowler, Jean Kaplansky, Suzanne Taylor, Bill Kasdorf 16:01:23 + +1.503.887.aacc 16:01:33 benjaminsko has joined #dpub 16:01:41 +Bert 16:01:47 I'm on the call 16:01:48 karen has joined #dpub 16:01:51 Bert has joined #dpub 16:02:08 zakim, aaaa is benjaminsko 16:02:08 +benjaminsko; got it 16:02:12 +??P15 16:02:15 Vlad has joined #dpub 16:02:28 +azaroth 16:02:40 +[IPcaller] 16:02:42 +Karen_Myers 16:02:47 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 16:02:47 +fjh; got it 16:02:57 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 16:03:16 gcapiel has joined #dpub 16:03:25 zakim, aabb is lizadaly 16:03:25 +lizadaly; got it 16:03:40 Guest: Liza (lizadaly) Daly, Pearson 16:04:00 +[IPcaller] 16:04:01 zakim, aacc is Sharad 16:04:01 +Sharad; got it 16:04:01 zakim, who is here? 16:04:01 On the phone I see Tzviya, dauwhe, Ivan, duga, mgylling, benjaminsko, lizadaly, plinss, madi, Sharad, Bert, ??P15, azaroth, fjh, Karen_Myers, [IPcaller] 16:04:05 On IRC I see gcapiel, Vlad, Bert, karen, benjaminsko, lizadaly, Sharad, brady_duga, tzviya, madi, azaroth, fjh, mgylling, astearns, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe, liam, trackbot, 16:04:05 ... plinss 16:04:33 that was me 16:04:46 zakim, IPcaller is me 16:04:46 +Vlad; got it 16:05:11 zakim, ??p15 is gcapiel 16:05:11 +gcapiel; got it 16:05:36 scribe: Tzviya 16:05:58 Markus: topic: CSS3 text and agenda for TPAC 16:06:16 .topic last week's minutes 16:06:20 https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2013-10-28 16:06:32 s/.topic/topic:/ 16:06:39 markus: approved 16:06:54 ...topic: 2 new members 16:06:54 Topic: two new members 16:07:29 Liza: VP of engineering at safari books online 16:07:42 ...involved in EPUB from beginning 16:08:20 ben: BEn ko, know @dauwhe and involved in pub and pub consulting for many years 16:08:37 markus: many task forces involved in areas related to your areas 16:08:47 s/BEn ko/Ben Ko/ 16:08:56 ...pagination will be of interest to ben, especially 16:09:15 ...we will try to schedule meetings at times of day when US/Europe can call in 16:09:42 ...Gerardo has been a guest, but is now here to stay 16:10:10 Gerardo: will be at TPAC as well. Runs engineering at benetech 16:10:46 ...runs DIAGRAM with NCAM, more cost effective production for image descriptions, math, etc 16:11:01 Topic: Comments on CSS Text 16:11:15 Markus: received review of CSS3 text. Brady, Jean, and Dave reviewed. Due on 6 nov 16:11:24 ...must get together by tomorrow 16:11:58 Brady: finished review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Oct/0074.html 16:12:05 ,,,received no comments 16:12:13 s,,,/... 16:12:26 markus: comments from others? 16:12:36 Dave: will get to today 16:12:48 Regrets: Jean, Bill 16:12:52 Ivan: jean sent her regrets 16:13:15 Markus: please supply comments by end of day today so we can assemble comments tomorrow 16:13:51 ivan: just sent email to CSS WG, not overly formal 16:13:59 Markus: I will send email 16:14:21 ...any other comments on CSS text? 16:14:33 Topic: Agenda for TPAC 16:14:44 markus: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC2013_Agenda 16:15:21 http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/TPAC-F2F 16:16:12 Markus: there is a list of subjects and who will join 16:16:51 ...for people who want to call, we want to make sure that the time in china works 16:17:05 .,,who wants to call in? 16:17:23 s/.,,/.../ 16:17:35 madi: I will call in when I am awake 16:17:48 fjh: I would like to call in for security 16:18:33 Ben: I would like to call in for pagination 16:18:44 security scheduled for 11 pm Tuesday Shenzhen, I think that is 10 pm ET on Monday 16:18:50 s/pm/am/ 16:19:17 ivan: there is a 12 hour difference between Shenzhen and EST 16:20:02 markus: pagination and behavioral adaption are a given 16:20:17 ...tuesday afternoon is up for discussion 16:20:41 ...infographics may be a topic 16:21:08 gerardo: could discuss image descriptions and a11y, materials from EDUPUB 16:21:26 Markus: have not discussed packaging and distribution at all yet 16:21:50 ...what else would people like to hear discussed? 16:22:26 ...many observers at these sessions 16:22:34 q+ 16:23:07 ack Tzviya 16:24:00 tzviya: I would be interested in joining a11y discussion if possible, but it would be difficult to do late night and early morning 16:24:10 Apologies, my office phone rebooted for no reason; will rejoin when it's back up 16:25:24 +lizadaly.a 16:25:24 ivan: Suzanne is in Eastern time as well, so early afternoon does not work for her either 16:25:35 I'm back 16:26:02 markus: we could switch security and a11y 16:27:28 gerardo: I could speak with suzanne before TPAC to make sure her list is coeverd 16:27:37 markus: then, we do not adjust the agenda 16:28:11 ...we will have local scribes. Please consider scribing. 16:28:17 ...any questions? 16:28:34 Topic: task forces 16:28:36 no additional topics for agenda 16:28:56 scribe: mgylling 16:29:09 Tzviya: had trouble with the wiki over the weekend 16:29:32 Tzviya: have started putting together UC on structural semantics (indexes , dictionaries, books) 16:30:00 -duga 16:30:31 +duga 16:30:56 q+ 16:31:02 ack Ivan 16:31:23 Markus: Tzviya, are you covering behavioural expectations for these? 16:31:37 Tzviya: for most of them 16:32:06 Ivan: what kind of identification is universally accepted? 16:32:30 q+ 16:32:39 Tzviya: At publicationlevel, ISBN is mostly accepted, but not used as identifier in the way the URIs are used, more used for tracking than linking. In journals, we have DOI as generally accepted. 16:34:54 s/publicationlevel/the publication level 16:34:59 ack azaroth 16:35:01 ack azaroth 16:35:05 gerardo: doesn't this have implications for OA? and a11y? 16:35:09 Rob: ISBNs are not necessarily unique 16:35:13 markus: yes 16:35:56 q+ 16:36:03 ack fjh 16:36:21 ivan: which organization can take the responsibility for UID? 16:36:46 fjh: scalability; URIs vs ISBNs 16:36:57 fjh: does it makes sense/is it scalable for dynamic content to use the same type of ID as print? 16:37:13 +Rich_Schwerdtfeger 16:37:31 richardschwerdtfeger has joined #dpub 16:37:40 marus: EPUB combines UID such as ISBN with time stamp so can differentiate incremental changes 16:37:51 s/marus/markus 16:38:09 markus: welcome to rich 16:38:16 thanks for the explanation marcus, that means the ISBN serves the role of identifying the core work, yet no need to assign new ISBNs for each possibly frequent revision 16:38:26 great 16:38:38 rich: CTO for accessibility for IBM software. focus on ARIA 16:38:44 I assume this includes variants 16:38:49 ISBN identifies the publication, not the work 16:39:15 and a new ISBN would be assigned for a new print revision 16:39:28 but probably not for a minor ebook revision 16:39:36 Guest: Rich (richarschwerdtfeger) Schwerdtfeger, IBM 16:41:04 markus: does the identifier end up in Bill's taskforce? 16:41:24 tzviya: yes, it is a metadata issue, but I will point to it 16:41:41 ivan: identifiers crosses many groups 16:42:36 markus: there is another area - behavioral indicators such as books that go into the ibookstore that have specific controls 16:43:02 ...would it make sense to collect these behaviors? 16:43:05 -Sharad 16:43:06 +Sharad_Garg 16:43:19 gcapiel has joined #dpub 16:43:21 tzviya: I would appreciate examples from others 16:43:50 markus: start with what you know, others will see and provide additional examples 16:44:18 topic: pagination 16:44:24 +1 to Ivan's idenitfier meeting, either virtual or physical 16:44:32 markus: status update from Dave 16:44:46 dave: not a lot of change in the last week 16:45:10 ...made some changes, just updates re: punctuation, spacing 16:45:20 markus: what are we calling this? 16:45:42 dave: this is just descriptive. These are things we do in terms of laying out content 16:46:08 ...we are trying to achieve X effects 16:46:23 markus: with luck, CSS WG will help us 16:46:50 ...are there particular topics to focus on in f2f? 16:47:19 dave: scope. How do we approach multiple languages? traditions? 16:47:35 ...what large features do we want to cover? I know trade and some ed 16:47:47 ...not much from STEM and journals 16:48:02 ....I'd like to flesh out the outline and examples 16:48:24 ...relationship with CSS and other groups 16:49:20 markus: another question beyond the document is the relationship between the document and the use cases 16:49:32 ...do we connect these 2? is it worth it? 16:50:03 ...Dave's document would need to be well-featured in it's covered 16:50:17 ...how does Ben's activity come in? 16:50:38 Dave: ben has experience in Higher Ed and automation. We will have side conversation 16:51:13 Markus: at edupub we saw a number of demos of EPUB in HE platforms 16:51:33 ...many abandoned pagination in favor of scrolling 16:52:05 ...in terms of scope, maybe we could focus on STEM to try to complete the discussion 16:52:15 ...questions? 16:52:45 ...we can't to status update on a11y without suzanne 16:52:59 ...Rob, anything on annotations? 16:53:08 Rob: I haven't added any use cases 16:53:33 Ivan: will we try at the end to combine the use cases the way that dave did with pagination? 16:53:44 markus: this is the connecting discussion 16:54:34 ...the point is that there is so much tradition and terminology that we need a primer like Dave 16:54:40 ...'s 16:55:08 ...We might not need something similar for the other areas. We might need more pedagogics for areas like annotations 16:55:28 ...at some point we will leave the wiki and assemble these into more formal documents 16:55:55 ...Once Robin has added his material, and we've assessed the cases, we can create the documents 16:56:04 ivan: OK 16:56:07 s/Robin/Rob/ 16:56:33 q? 16:56:36 markus: we can end a little early 16:57:18 markus: the final agenda will be what is on the wiki page 16:57:35 -lizadaly.a 16:57:36 -duga 16:57:40 -madi 16:57:41 -fjh 16:57:42 -mgylling 16:57:43 Thank you! 16:57:43 -azaroth 16:57:43 -benjaminsko 16:57:46 -Bert 16:57:47 -dauwhe 16:57:47 -Karen_Myers 16:57:47 fjh has left #dpub 16:57:48 -Vlad 16:57:48 -Sharad_Garg 16:57:51 -plinss 16:57:53 -gcapiel 17:00:00 -Rich_Schwerdtfeger 17:02:04 http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/index.php?title=UseCase_Directory&action=edit§ion=15 17:06:21 -Tzviya 17:06:26 -Ivan 17:06:32 zakim, who is here? 17:06:32 On the phone I see lizadaly 17:06:33 On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, Bert, karen, tzviya, azaroth, mgylling, astearns, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe, liam, trackbot, plinss 17:06:43 zakim, drop lizadaly 17:06:44 lizadaly is being disconnected 17:06:45 SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended 17:06:45 Attendees were Tzviya, dauwhe, Ivan, duga, mgylling, +1.917.447.aaaa, +1.617.453.aabb, plinss, madi, +1.503.887.aacc, Bert, benjaminsko, azaroth, Karen_Myers, fjh, lizadaly, 17:06:45 ... 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