13:35:31 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:35:31 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/31-dap-irc 13:35:33 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:35:33 Zakim has joined #dap 13:35:35 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:35:35 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes 13:35:36 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:35:36 Date: 31 October 2013 13:36:34 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0161.html 13:36:54 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0161.html 13:37:37 Chair: Frederick_Hirsch 13:37:53 Present+ Frederick_Hirsch 13:38:15 Regrets+ Jean-Claude_Dufourd 13:39:00 fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 ; agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0161.html ; 1hr earlier in europe this week 13:46:10 Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux 13:59:01 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 13:59:07 +[IPcaller] 13:59:14 zakim, [IPcaller] is me 13:59:14 +fjh; got it 13:59:31 gmandyam has joined #dap 13:59:37 +gmandyam 14:01:07 +Lisa_DeLuca 14:01:23 igarashi has joined #dap 14:01:26 ScribeNick: fjh 14:01:31 LisaDeLuca_IBM has joined #dap 14:01:41 Present+ Lisa_DeLuca 14:02:34 Present+ Giri_Mandyam 14:02:49 Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements 14:03:01 RfC: Updates of the Technical Reports process; deadline November 27, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0158.html 14:03:38 +??P15 14:03:56 zakim, ??P15 igarashi 14:03:56 I don't understand '??P15 igarashi', fjh 14:04:12 zakim, ??P15 is igarashi 14:04:13 +igarashi; got it 14:05:19 Present+ Tatsuya_Igarashi 14:05:54 +Cathy 14:06:17 Cathy has joined #dap 14:06:34 Present+ Cathy_Chan 14:06:55 fjh: more information on git is available, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0174.html 14:07:14 Topic: Minutes approval 14:07:26 Approve minutes from 17 October 2013 14:07:26 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/att-0141/minutes-2013-10-17.html 14:07:33 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 17 October 2013 are approved 14:07:52 Topic: Vibration 14:08:03 ISSUE-156: add the [Clamp] attribute to the argument of the vibrate method ; http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/156 14:08:03 Notes added to ISSUE-156 add the [Clamp] attribute to the argument of the vibrate method. 14:08:20 ISSUE-156? 14:08:20 ISSUE-156 -- add the [Clamp] attribute to the argument of the vibrate method -- open 14:08:20 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/156 14:08:42 fjh: I think this is a good idea to add to our specification, suggest Anssi add this 14:08:59 action: anssik to review ISSUE-156 and add Clamp to vibration specification 14:08:59 Created ACTION-670 - Review issue-156 and add clamp to vibration specification [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2013-11-07]. 14:09:16 Topic: Network Service Discovery 14:09:25 Updated draft, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/default/discovery-api/Overview.html 14:10:00 fjh: Rich summarized Mitigating router compromise, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0152.html 14:10:19 fjh: proposed text for ISSUE-130, as part of ACTION-654: Propose text for network service discovery to define wildcard api and feature detection ; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0157.html (Jean-Claude) 14:11:11 cathy: jean-claude enables wild card search, a good idea 14:11:40 cathy: independent of the other discussion 14:12:06 cathy: other discussion is to support UPnP devices rather than at service level 14:12:24 … initially I proposed adding search string for UPnP device type 14:13:03 … but we might want to change data model to device model, support UPnP devices naturally, problem is that in mDns there is no device concept 14:14:19 fjh: not sure it makes sense to create a dummy model when abstracting to obtain uniformity 14:14:55 cathy: works if we make device for each service in mdns, thus we can achieve device level for UPnP naturally, but also have it work for others 14:15:19 … need opinion from Rich for this 14:15:22 fjh: looks like we are near reaching a conclusion and consensus 14:17:21 fjh: i would like to schedule a security review with WebAppSec and also a privacy review with PING but am waiting until the specification stabiliizes 14:17:38 … this change wouldn't be ready for TPAC (and WebAppSec is not meeting then anyway) 14:17:54 … so once we get the data model updated then I think we can start reviews 14:18:03 cathy: this should be a fairly big change 14:18:54 fjh: we have a scheduled slot for the privacy review in January with PING so it would be good to get these changes done in November if possible 14:19:35 fjh: no more to discuss, need feedback from Rich 14:19:44 Topic: Proximity, Light Test update 14:19:47 no new information 14:19:58 Topic: Note publication 14:20:11 Updated CfC (ended 29 Oct): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2013Oct/0130.html 14:20:22 fjh: we had agreement on call, no disagreement on list 14:21:13 fjh: The CfC has concluded successfully so we can make these changes 14:21:35 Topic: Issue Review 14:21:44 ISSUE-151? 14:21:44 ISSUE-151 -- USN should not be used as device identifier -- open 14:21:44 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/151 14:22:19 fjh: this issue includes a proposal, status? 14:22:26 cathy: this needs to be looked at and agreed 14:22:34 fjh: need to revive this on the list 14:23:05 Topic: Action review 14:23:13 ACTION-666? 14:23:13 ACTION-666 -- Giridhar Mandyam to Check with internal implementers whether vibration api is consistent with chip capabilities -- due 2013-10-17 -- OPEN 14:23:13 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/666 14:23:20 gmandyam: still working on this 14:24:45 -Cathy 14:24:47 -Lisa_DeLuca 14:24:54 Topic: Other Business 14:24:55 none 14:25:03 s/none/no other business/ 14:25:12 -igarashi 14:25:17 -gmandyam 14:25:21 -fjh 14:25:22 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 14:25:22 Attendees were fjh, gmandyam, Lisa_DeLuca, igarashi, Cathy 14:26:42 fjh: Upcoming calls: next week (7 Nov), week after TPAC (21 Nov), 5 Dec, 12 Dec, 19 Dec 14:27:11 fjh: No call week of TPAC, 14 Nov, no call US Thanksgiving week (28 Nov) 14:27:15 Topic: Adjourn 14:27:19 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:27:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/31-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:01:18 lgombos has joined #dap 15:40:23 tobie has joined #dap 16:30:40 Zakim has left #dap