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13:05:17 <kaz> Present: Paul, SungHei, Kaz, Bin, Giri, Daniel, Hyun
13:06:02 <kaz> zakim, pick up victim
13:06:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick up victim', kaz
13:06:06 <kaz> zakim, pick up a victim
13:06:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick up a victim', kaz
13:06:11 <Zakim> +??P15
13:06:33 <kaz> zakim, ??P15 is Louay
13:06:33 <Zakim> +Louay; got it
13:07:09 <kaz> zakim, select a scribe
13:07:09 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Kazuyuki
13:07:24 <kaz> scribe: kaz
13:08:19 <kaz> chair: bin
13:08:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:08:32 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:08:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Paul_Higgs, skim13, Kazuyuki, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, ddavis, hyun, Louay, [IPcaller]
13:08:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see whyun, RRSAgent, yosuke, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, ddavis, Zakim, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, olivier, trackbot, timeless
13:08:48 <kaz> zakim, IPcaller is Yosuke
13:08:48 <Zakim> +Yosuke; got it
13:09:19 <Louay> Louay has joined #WEBTV
13:09:30 <kaz> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Oct/0063.html
13:09:31 <igarashi> igarashi has joined #webtv
13:09:51 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:09:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Paul_Higgs, skim13, Kazuyuki, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, ddavis, hyun, Louay, Yosuke
13:09:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, Louay, whyun, RRSAgent, yosuke, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, ddavis, Zakim, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, olivier, trackbot, timeless
13:10:06 <kaz> bin: checking the participants
13:10:56 <kaz> ... Olivier sent out the agenda
13:11:03 <kaz> ... will check the actions
13:11:14 <kaz> topic: action items
13:11:16 <Bin_Hu> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/products/7
13:11:48 <kaz> action-125?
13:11:48 <trackbot> action-125 -- Giuseppe Pascale to Draft use cases related to metadata -- due 2013-11-21 -- OPEN
13:11:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/125
13:11:52 <kaz> bin: still open
13:11:55 <kaz> action-153?
13:11:55 <trackbot> action-153 -- Giridhar Mandyam to Look through webrtc column in gap analysis document -- due 2013-10-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW
13:11:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/153
13:12:02 <kaz> bin: seems it's done
13:12:04 <kaz> ... right?
13:12:06 <kaz> giri: yep
13:12:14 <kaz> close action-153
13:12:14 <trackbot> Closed action-153.
13:12:18 <kaz> action-154?
13:12:18 <trackbot> action-154 -- Sheau Ng to Look through web storage column in the gap analysis doc -- due 2013-11-13 -- OPEN
13:12:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/154
13:12:22 <kaz> bin: for Sheau
13:12:31 <kaz> ... Web Storage
13:12:48 <kaz> ... seems finished
13:12:51 <kaz> close action-154
13:12:51 <trackbot> Closed action-154.
13:12:55 <kaz> action-156?
13:12:55 <trackbot> action-156 -- Bin Hu to Look through server-sent events columns in gap analysis doc -- due 2013-10-23 -- OPEN
13:12:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/156
13:13:02 <kaz> bin: done
13:13:08 <kaz> close action-156
13:13:08 <trackbot> Closed action-156.
13:13:12 <kaz> action-157?
13:13:12 <trackbot> action-157 -- Bin Hu to Look through push api column in gap analysis doc -- due 2013-10-23 -- OPEN
13:13:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/157
13:13:15 <kaz> bin: done
13:13:19 <kaz> close action-157
13:13:19 <trackbot> Closed action-157.
13:13:22 <kaz> action-158?
13:13:23 <trackbot> action-158 -- Sheau Ng to Look through manifest/appcache column, to be used as input for service worker -- due 2013-11-13 -- OPEN
13:13:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/158
13:13:26 <kaz> bin: for Sheau
13:13:30 <kaz> ... Manifest
13:13:51 <kaz> ... manifest is done
13:14:08 <kaz> ... appcache needs reorganization
13:14:25 <kaz> ... no appcache spec
13:14:46 <kaz> ... so action itself is done
13:14:46 <kaz> close action-158
13:14:46 <trackbot> Closed action-158.
13:14:48 <kaz> action-161?
13:14:48 <trackbot> action-161 -- Louay Bassbouss to Review indexed database api for media apis gap analysis -- due 2013-11-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW
13:14:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/161
13:14:58 <kaz> bin: in progress?
13:15:08 <Zakim> +??P18
13:15:13 <kaz> louay: think we can review later
13:15:23 <kaz> ... basically finished from my side
13:15:34 <kaz> close action-161
13:15:34 <trackbot> Closed action-161.
13:15:57 <kaz> zakim, ??P18 is Igarashi
13:15:57 <Zakim> +Igarashi; got it
13:16:03 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:16:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Paul_Higgs, skim13, Kazuyuki, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, ddavis, hyun, Louay, Yosuke, Igarashi
13:16:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, Louay, whyun, RRSAgent, yosuke, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, ddavis, Zakim, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, olivier, trackbot, timeless
13:16:14 <kaz> action-162?
13:16:14 <trackbot> action-162 -- Sung Hei Kim to Review File API & File API: Writer for Media APIs gap analysis -- due 2013-11-13 -- OPEN
13:16:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/162
13:16:21 <kaz> bin: Sung Hei?
13:16:48 <kaz> skim13: done
13:16:55 <kaz> close action-162
13:16:55 <trackbot> Closed action-162.
13:17:01 <kaz> bin: we need to review the result
13:17:06 <kaz> action-163?
13:17:06 <trackbot> action-163 -- Yosuke Funahashi to Review web crypto api for media apis gap analysis -- due 2013-11-13 -- OPEN
13:17:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/actions/163
13:17:13 <kaz> bin: Yosuke?
13:17:18 <kaz> yosuke: still working
13:17:31 <kaz> ... will finish this week
13:17:36 <kaz> bin: ok
13:18:25 <kaz> ... are there any missing pieces?
13:18:51 <kaz> ... media source extension is done by Olivier
13:19:07 <kaz> ... encrypted media extension is ongoing
13:19:48 <kaz> ... that is the current status
13:20:30 <kaz> topic: Review of gap analysis
13:24:04 <kaz> bin: 3 features on device discovery are covered
13:24:23 <kaz> ... 5 red ones are not covered
13:24:51 <kaz> i/3 features/bin: NSD API/
13:24:53 <kaz> ... 3 yellow ones are not sure
13:25:17 <kaz> bin: next is "HTML5"
13:25:35 <kaz> ... 1.22 Content Playback is covered
13:26:23 <kaz> ... 3 features need further investigation
13:26:51 <kaz> bin: "HTML 5.1"
13:26:55 <kaz> ... 1.16 Tuner Control is not covered yet
13:27:03 <kaz> ... who did this review?
13:27:29 <kaz> ... 1.23 Content Recording while Watching is not covered
13:29:02 <kaz> giri: who did this but the logic (why not covered by 5.1) is it might be going to be supported by WebRTC instead of HTML 5.1
13:29:06 <kaz> bin: ok
13:29:51 <kaz> q+
13:30:51 <kaz> ack k
13:30:57 <kaz> kaz: should we record that point on the spleadsheet itself?
13:31:00 <kaz> bin: can try
13:31:51 <kaz> kaz: maybe you can insert a new column between A and B?
13:32:12 <kaz> bin: (adding comments)
13:33:17 <kaz> bin: next "WebRTC"
13:33:23 <kaz> ... three features covered
13:33:48 <kaz> ... two features not covered but should be covered
13:33:57 <kaz> ... four features need further discussion
13:34:02 <kaz> s/three/3/
13:34:06 <kaz> s/two/2/
13:34:09 <kaz> s/four/4/
13:34:16 <kaz> bin: and "Web Storage"
13:34:25 <kaz> ... 2 features covered
13:34:51 <kaz> ... 1.5.1 Device Authentication Mechanism is not covered but should be
13:35:04 <kaz> ... 4 features need further discussion
13:35:14 <kaz> bin: move on EME
13:35:18 <kaz> s/on/on to/
13:35:30 <kaz> ... 3 requirements covered
13:35:58 <kaz> ... 1.20 Media Content Protection (Offline) needs further discussion
13:36:05 <kaz> bin: next "File API"
13:36:12 <kaz> ... 2 requirements covered
13:36:29 <kaz> ... 4 requirements need further investigation
13:36:51 <kaz> ... any comments/questions?
13:36:55 <kaz> bin: move on to File API: Writer
13:37:02 <kaz> s/File/"File/
13:37:07 <kaz> s/Writer/Writer"/
13:37:21 <kaz> ... 4 covered
13:37:44 <Zakim> +??P22
13:37:51 <kaz> ... 3 need further investigation
13:37:51 <kaz> bin: next indexed DB
13:38:00 <kaz> s/indexed/"Indexed/
13:38:04 <kaz> s/DB/DB"/
13:38:16 <kaz> (Olivier just joined)
13:38:23 <kaz> bin: (explains the situation)
13:38:51 <kaz> ... looking at the google doc table
13:39:36 <kaz> ... added a comment on COntent Recording while Watching
13:39:48 <kaz> olivier: ok
13:39:51 <kaz> bin: "Indexed DB"
13:39:55 <kaz> ... 5 features covered
13:40:51 <kaz> ... 6 items need further investigation
13:40:54 <kaz> ... comments?
13:41:03 <olivier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2013Oct/0065.html
13:41:06 <kaz> olivier: just saw the comment
13:41:27 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
13:41:38 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ddavis (4%), Louay (95%)
13:41:51 <kaz> louay: DB API is genelic api for storage
13:42:02 <ddavis> s/genelic/generic/
13:42:19 <kaz> ... not sure about service synchronization mechanism, etc.
13:42:51 <kaz> bin: agree Indexed DB is a generic API for storage
13:43:17 <kaz> ... and needs further investigation
13:43:34 <kaz> ... for some requirements implemented two or more specs could be combined
13:43:59 <kaz> ... maybe good for requirements description
13:44:08 <kaz> q+
13:44:26 <kaz> ack k
13:44:51 <kaz> kaz: in that case, maybe we might want to add another comment on that to the spleadsheet?
13:44:59 <kaz> bin: ok
13:46:11 <kaz> s/the comment/the comment on EME/
13:46:18 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:46:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:46:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:46:31 <kaz> zakiim, who is here?
13:47:08 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:47:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Paul_Higgs, skim13, Kazuyuki, Bin_Hu, gmandyam, ddavis, hyun, Louay, Yosuke, Igarashi, olivier
13:47:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see igarashi, Louay, whyun, RRSAgent, yosuke, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, ddavis, Zakim, PaulHiggs, skim13, kaz, olivier, trackbot, timeless
13:47:17 <kaz> s/zakiim, who is here?/
13:47:57 <kaz> Present: Paul, SunHei, Kaz, Bin, Giri, Daniel, Hyun, Louay, Yosuke, Igarashi, Olivier
13:48:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:48:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webtv-minutes.html kaz
13:48:11 <kaz> bin: next Media Source Extensions
13:48:30 <kaz> s/comment on EME/comment on MSE/
13:50:17 <kaz> bin: "Push API"
13:51:12 <kaz> ... synchronization and transfer should be covered
13:51:25 <kaz> ... push notification is not covered but needed
13:51:29 <Sheau> Sheau has joined #webtv
13:51:48 <kaz> ... wake-up mechanism needs further investigation
13:52:22 <kaz> ... questions?
13:52:40 <kaz> bin: "Messaging API" by Sheau
13:52:59 <kaz> ... 2 requirements covered
13:53:07 <kaz> ... 1 needs further investigation
13:53:16 <Sheau> Sorry, I will dial in shortly.
13:53:34 <kaz> bin: let's assign an action item
13:53:48 <kaz> ... rational for his analysis
13:53:55 <kaz> q+
13:55:12 <kaz> ack k
13:55:52 <kaz> [ Sheau is joining shortly. ]
13:56:09 <kaz> olivier: can talk with Sheau about his rational
13:56:13 <kaz> kaz: is also interested
13:56:28 <kaz> s/interested/interested in his rational/
13:56:46 <kaz> bin: "Server-Sent Events"
13:57:17 <kaz> ... server can send any kind of events to web apps
13:57:39 <gmandyam> q+
13:57:58 <kaz> ack g
13:58:15 <kaz> giri: what we use this?
13:58:21 <kaz> ... WebSocket can be used
13:58:28 <kaz> bin: two approaches
13:58:39 <kaz> giri: I know
13:58:39 <olivier> worth adding web sockets column next to SSE?
13:58:44 <kaz> +1
13:59:01 <kaz> giri: but not sure why WebSocket is not included
13:59:09 <kaz> bin: Olivier has just made a good point
13:59:15 <kaz> ... we can add WebSocket as well
13:59:22 <olivier> s/Olivier/Giri/
13:59:28 <ddavis> q+
13:59:48 <kaz> olivier: agree
13:59:50 <kaz> ack d
13:59:50 <olivier> ack ddavis
14:00:00 <kaz> ddavis: +1
14:00:16 <kaz> bin: we all agree then
14:00:22 <Zakim> +Sheau_Ng
14:00:29 <kaz> ... so who would like to do gap analysis?
14:00:33 <kaz> giri: will do
14:00:37 <skim13> +q
14:00:44 <kaz> action: giri to do gap analysis for websocket
14:00:45 <trackbot> Error finding 'giri'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
14:01:02 <kaz> action: gmanyam to do gap analysis for websocket
14:01:02 <trackbot> Error finding 'gmanyam'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/track/users>.
14:01:17 <kaz> action: gmandyam to do gap analysis for websocket
14:01:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-164 - Do gap analysis for websocket [on Giridhar Mandyam - due 2013-11-06].
14:01:29 <kaz> (Sheau has just joined)
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14:01:48 <kaz> bin: want to ask Sheau about Messaging API
14:01:49 <skim13> q+
14:02:12 <kaz> sheau: messaging API was primarily text exchange
14:02:27 <kaz> ... focusing on part of the requirements
14:03:00 <kaz> ... tought device transfer could be covered
14:03:07 <kaz> s/tought/thought
14:03:24 <kaz> ... maybe smarter than handling device itself
14:03:50 <kaz> q?
14:04:00 <kaz> ack s
14:04:30 <kaz> skim13: should also look at the gap on @@@
14:04:56 <kaz> ... should add device API and SysApps APIs as well
14:04:56 <olivier> device api and system api
14:05:13 <kaz> s/device API/device APIs/
14:05:49 <kaz> kaz: agree
14:06:00 <kaz> ... though they're trying many new APIs
14:06:06 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/sysapps/ SysApp work
14:06:17 <kaz> q+
14:07:48 <kaz> kaz: wondering if we would concentrate on API definition or might wan to see generic message handling architecture as well
14:07:53 <kaz> bin: good question
14:08:47 <kaz> ... APIs might be compatible with that architecture
14:09:07 <kaz> kaz: maybe we should concentrate on APIs first and can see extension later
14:09:33 <kaz> sheau: some of our requirements are horizontal
14:09:48 <kaz> ... while others should be considered deeper
14:09:59 <kaz> ... e.g., tuner control should be considered deeper
14:10:40 <kaz> ... some architecture or picture might give clearer view
14:10:49 <kaz> ... but it may force us much work
14:11:13 <kaz> bin: yeah, it may make our work a long journey
14:11:30 <kaz> q+
14:11:48 <kaz> ... we have already done much work
14:11:58 <kaz> ... we'd like to get a consolidated view at TPAC
14:12:27 <kaz> ... e.g., WebSocket is not yet analyzed yet
14:13:48 <kaz> ... maybe we can see what would be the best approach after finishing the current gap analysis
14:13:52 <kaz> ... we can talk about that at TPAC
14:14:11 <kaz> kaz: agree
14:14:25 <kaz> ... and we can visit the meetings of related groups, can't we?
14:14:51 <kaz> giri: is it possible to have a joint meeting?
14:15:52 <kaz> kaz: we (web&tv ig) can hold a joint meeting with MMI
14:16:09 <kaz> ... also I'd suggest we hold joint meetings with the other related groups as well
14:16:12 <gmandyam> kaz, that wasn't me who suggested that?
14:16:50 <kaz> s/kaz/giri/
14:17:30 <kaz> action: kaz to check the MMI WG about a joint meeting with web&tv ig
14:17:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-165 - Check the mmi wg about a joint meeting with web&tv ig [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2013-11-06].
14:19:21 <kaz> giri: service expiry mechanism needs further investigation
14:19:53 <kaz> s/needs further investigation/not covered
14:20:08 <kaz> i/giri/giri: Manifest/
14:21:13 <kaz> giri: 4 features need further investigation
14:21:48 <kaz> bin: web crypto is ongoing
14:21:54 <kaz> ... who would like to Service Worker?
14:22:04 <olivier> +1
14:22:40 <kaz> giri: @@@
14:22:47 <kaz> bin: (put a comment)
14:23:03 <kaz> s/@@@/we can come back later/
14:23:51 <kaz> bin: we'll have another column on WebSocket
14:24:30 <kaz> topic: TPAC
14:24:39 <kaz> olivier: TPAC is approaching
14:25:03 <kaz> ... we should decide what we would like to report there
14:25:12 <kaz> ... and aside question is
14:25:19 <kaz> ... who from this TF will be there
14:25:37 <olivier> I will be at TPAC
14:25:48 <kaz> q+
14:25:53 <Bin_Hu> I will not be in TPAC
14:26:00 <kaz> shau will be there
14:26:06 <kaz> kaz: as well
14:26:14 <ddavis> s/shau/Sheau/
14:26:15 <yosuke> I too will be.
14:26:19 <whyun> I'll be there too.
14:26:29 <Louay> Christian Fuhrhop (Fraunhofer FOKUS) will be there
14:26:32 <Sheau> s/shau/sheau
14:26:51 <ddavis> q?
14:26:54 <kaz> olivier: make sure to get your VISA
14:27:05 <kaz> bin: seems many participants there
14:27:18 <kaz> ... regarding the TF report
14:27:32 <kaz> ... we can talk about the gap analysis results
14:27:48 <kaz> ... coverage of our requirements
14:28:10 <kaz> ... and some discussion on an expected system architecture
14:28:21 <kaz> ... which pieces are missing
14:28:22 <olivier> q+
14:28:37 <olivier> ack kaz
14:29:27 <kaz> kaz: maybe providing WebEX service might be useful?
14:29:30 <kaz> bin: yeah
14:29:48 <kaz> olivier: like that idea on the agenda
14:29:48 <kaz> ... 2 things to add
14:30:08 <kaz> ... 1. communication with the other groups based on the gap analysis
14:30:39 <kaz> ... 2. and good opportunity to think about what kind of NEW (non-existing) specs needed
14:30:51 <kaz> s/needed/needed to fill the gap/
14:31:01 <kaz> ... TPAC is a good opportunity to do that
14:31:08 <kaz> bin: great suggestion
14:31:51 <kaz> kaz: which groups do we want to meet?
14:31:58 <kaz> olivier: not clear yet
14:33:06 <kaz> kaz: maybe we can send a heads-up to the groups chairs and staff contacts?
14:33:10 <kaz> olivier: sure
14:33:25 <kaz> kaz: ddavis and I will do that
14:33:52 <kaz> action: kaz to work with Daniel and send a heads-up to the related groups' chairs/team contacts
14:33:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Work with daniel and send a heads-up to the related groups' chairs/team contacts [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2013-11-06].
14:34:22 <kaz> bin: will discuss those points at TPAC
14:34:25 <Zakim> -Sheau_Ng
14:34:28 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
14:34:29 <Zakim> -olivier
14:34:31 <Zakim> -Paul_Higgs
14:34:32 <Zakim> -Yosuke
14:34:33 <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
14:34:36 <Zakim> -skim13
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14:34:38 <Zakim> -gmandyam
14:34:38 <skim13> skim13 has left #webtv
14:34:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:34:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webtv-minutes.html kaz
14:34:39 <Zakim> -ddavis
14:34:44 <Zakim> -hyun
14:34:46 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
14:34:59 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
14:34:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Louay, Igarashi
14:35:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheau_, igarashi, Louay, RRSAgent, gmandyam, Bin_Hu, Zakim, PaulHiggs, kaz, olivier, trackbot, timeless
14:35:09 <kaz> zakim, drop Louay and Igarashi
14:35:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drop Louay and Igarashi', kaz
14:35:12 <Louay> sorry I had a connection problem
14:35:15 <kaz> zakim, drop Louay
14:35:16 <Zakim> Louay is being disconnected
14:35:17 <Zakim> -Louay
14:35:23 <kaz> zakim, drop Igarashi
14:35:23 <Zakim> Igarashi is being disconnected
14:35:26 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has ended
14:35:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Paul_Higgs, Kazuyuki, Bin_Hu, skim13, gmandyam, ddavis, hyun, Louay, Yosuke, Igarashi, olivier, Sheau_Ng
14:36:12 <kaz> Meeting: Web&TV IG - Media APIs TF meeting
14:36:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:36:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webtv-minutes.html kaz
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17:20:46 <Sheau> zakim, list my action
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