13:31:12 RRSAgent has joined #er 13:31:12 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-er-irc 13:31:14 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:31:14 Zakim has joined #er 13:31:16 Zakim, this will be 3794 13:31:16 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now 13:31:17 Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference 13:31:17 Date: 30 October 2013 13:31:26 zakim, this is ert 13:31:26 ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM 13:31:33 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:31:33 On the phone I see ??P19 13:31:41 zakim, ??P19 is me 13:31:41 +samuelm; got it 13:32:37 +Shadi 13:34:11 http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/WD-AERT/ED-AERT 13:34:36 +??P21 13:35:00 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2013Oct/0012.html 13:35:32 zakim, ??p21 is carlos 13:35:32 +carlos; got it 13:37:07 [[- 2.1.8. Crawling. Editorial comment: the list refers to topics already 13:37:07 dealt with in previous sections. There is nothing wrong with that but, 13:37:07 should we include linked cross-references to those sections? 13:37:07 ]] 13:51:03 #1. try to avoid requiring people to move back and forth to read a document 13:51:21 #2. where necessary to reference other sections, add cross-references 13:52:12 #3. where cross-references are added, make sure it is clear that they are cross-references (so that readers can decide if they want to follow them or not) 13:52:44 #4. when listing items, make sure you don't list different types of items (eg. new and old content can be confusing) 13:53:43 #5. don't add new information to previous sections from another sections -- add the information to the section itself and only cross-reference if necessary 13:55:03 [[- 2.2.3 Development of own tests and test extensions. Instead of "advanced 13:55:03 tools offer an API so developers can create their own tests", I would 13:55:03 suggest "advanced tools define an API which developers can implement so as 13:55:03 to integrate the tests they create with the tool". Rationale: the test 13:55:04 integration API is not *provided* by the tool, but indeed *required* by it 13:55:04 from any third party who wishes to have their developments integrated.]] 14:02:19 [[a) Localization is broader than translation. Maybe the case I linked in 14:02:19 the minutes is already covered by 2.4.2 (functionality customization), but 14:02:19 there are other aspects as well that go beyond translation (e.g. icons, 14:02:19 formatting, directionality, UI layout, units, etc.) Although I would not 14:02:20 suggest listing all those items, I would nonetheless make explicit that 14:02:21 localization is much more than translation.]] 14:03:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization 14:06:34 "Localization is important for making your tool more usable for people in different regions and who speak other languages. This includes translating and adapting the user interface and reports accordingly. The W3C Internationalization Activity provides more resources on this topic. There are also translations for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines available." 14:09:03 [[b) Internationalized tools need to deal correctly with non-English (or 14:09:03 non-local) contents. Typical internationalization errors happen, e.g., 14:09:03 when you are going to render the errors on the content and you see 14:09:03 everything riddled with question marks, when a readability evaluation 14:09:03 technique is only applicable to English contents, etc. I'm not sure if 14:09:04 this should be considered either under the same point as the localization 14:09:06 of the UI or separately, but I think it merits being mentioned anyway.]] 14:13:28 add to section 2.1 14:15:03 also note the tools that evaluate "readability" and how that applies to different languages 14:19:10 probably need to add to several sections, not only 2.1 14:19:24 [[2.1.3 Web applications]] 14:24:35 "Emulating User Actions" 14:30:07 "Dynamic Content" or "Interactive Content" 14:30:38 -carlos 14:30:40 NO MEETING NEXT WWK 14:30:57 -samuelm 14:30:58 -Shadi 14:30:58 WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has ended 14:30:58 Attendees were samuelm, Shadi, carlos 14:50:58 trackbot, end meeting 14:50:58 Zakim, list attendees 14:50:58 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 14:51:06 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:51:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-er-minutes.html trackbot 14:51:07 RRSAgent, bye 14:51:07 I see no action items