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14:53:18 <AWK> meeting: WCAG Working Group Teleconference
14:53:24 <AWK> chair: AWK
14:53:59 <AWK> regrets: Kathy Wahlbin, Alan
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14:57:02 <BBailey> I am not finding the meeting announcement
14:57:55 <AWK> WHat do you mean?
14:58:41 <BBailey> yes, the email
14:58:42 <AWK> s/WHat do you mean?/
14:58:59 <BBailey> s/I am not finding the meeting announcement/
14:59:06 <BBailey> s/yes, the email/
15:00:54 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 9224
15:00:54 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_WCAG()11:00AM
15:00:56 <Zakim> +??P14
15:00:57 <AWK> agenda+ October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/
15:01:01 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P14 is Michael_Cooper
15:01:01 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
15:01:07 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper
15:01:15 <Zakim> +Kathleen_Anderson
15:01:17 <AWK> agenda+ Continue techniques review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/
15:01:40 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
15:01:41 <AWK> agenda+ Update on Mobile TF
15:01:54 <AWK> Scribe: Bruce
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15:05:51 <AWK> Online comment form for WCAG, Techs, and Understanding: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/comments/onlineform
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15:06:32 <BBailey> Ad hoc discussion of commenting process
15:06:47 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
15:06:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:07:06 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is David_MacDonald
15:07:06 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald; got it
15:08:57 <kathleen> q+
15:09:12 <AWK> ack ka
15:09:23 <kathleen> thank you
15:10:30 <BBailey> s/thank you/
15:10:44 <AWK> Zakim, Agenda?
15:10:44 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
15:10:45 <Zakim> 1. October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/ [from AWK]
15:10:45 <Zakim> 2. Continue techniques review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/ [from AWK]
15:10:45 <Zakim> 3. Update on Mobile TF [from AWK]
15:11:20 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:11:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper, Kathleen_Anderson, Bruce_Bailey, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald
15:12:27 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 3
15:12:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update on Mobile TF" taken up [from AWK]
15:13:07 <BBailey> Michael and AWK briefed
15:13:26 <BBailey> Official kickoff has not happened, but starting soon
15:13:36 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:13:36 <Zakim> sorry, BBailey, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:13:47 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 1
15:13:47 <Zakim> agendum 1. "October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/" taken up [from AWK]
15:13:57 <BBailey> zakim, i am Bruce_Bailey
15:13:57 <Zakim> ok, BBailey, I now associate bbailey with Bruce_Bailey
15:14:02 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:14:02 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
15:14:25 <BBailey> zakim, take up item 1
15:14:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "October 29 survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/" taken up [from AWK]
15:14:42 <BBailey> TOPIC:  1. Comment LC-2857: Draft response to Captions Technique
15:17:20 <BBailey> RESOLUTION:  Accepted Response as proposed
15:17:55 <BBailey> TOPIC:  2. Comment LC-2858: Providing descriptive link text in spacer gif alt tag
15:18:40 <BBailey> zakim, unmute me
15:18:40 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
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15:20:42 <BBailey> RESOLUTION:  Accept response as amended.
15:21:40 <BBailey> TOPIC:  3. Owners needed to complete proposed techniques
15:22:16 <BBailey> AWK shared some background on survey item
15:23:34 <David_MacD_Lenovo> q+
15:23:44 <AWK> ack d
15:23:55 <BBailey> Looking for volunteers on drafting examples
15:24:28 <BBailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/results#x2663
15:25:16 <BBailey> Bruce and David volunteer
15:27:06 <BBailey> Previous survey:  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20131008comments/results#x0001
15:27:06 <AWK> ACTION: Bruce to work with David on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2013May/0001.html
15:27:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-227 - Work with david on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-wcag2-techs/2013may/0001.html [on Bruce Bailey - due 2013-11-05].
15:28:19 <AWK> ACTION: Bruce to work with David on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2012Jan/0001.html
15:28:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Work with david on creating clear list of edits for http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-wcag2-techs/2012jan/0001.html [on Bruce Bailey - due 2013-11-05].
15:28:42 <BBailey> RESOLUTION:  closed
15:29:01 <BBailey> TOPIC:  4. Comment LC-2861: Draft response to Techniques should be scoped by Succescriterium
15:29:15 <BBailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Oct29_2013/results#xtechsc2
15:29:38 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:29:38 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
15:32:48 <AWK> F62: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F62.html
15:34:48 <BBailey> zakim, unmute me
15:34:48 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
15:35:40 <BBailey> F62: Failure of Success Criterion 1.3.1 and 4.1.1 due to insufficient information in DOM to determine specific relationships in XML
15:37:24 <BBailey> Discuss that w/ HTML 5, irrelevant reference in FOR attribute is validation error
15:38:12 <BBailey> With XML and HTML 4, spurious references in FOR attribute do *not* cause validation errors
15:39:21 <David_MacD_Lenovo> q+
15:39:26 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
15:42:58 <MichaelC>                                     the content fails Success Criterion 4.1.1.
15:43:05 <BBailey> MichaelC made editorial note that technique may need to be split into two separate techniques
15:43:10 <MichaelC> 									the content fails Success Criterion 1.3.1.
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15:43:23 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:43:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:46:50 <kathleen> q+
15:47:00 <AWK> ack d
15:48:44 <BBailey> Concurrence with commenter that there is reason for concern.
15:49:27 <BBailey> Discuss if we need to split HTML as separate use case.
15:50:29 <AWK> ISSUE: F62 may need to be modified to encompass HTML4/5
15:50:29 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-13 - F62 may need to be modified to encompass html4/5.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/13/edit>.
15:51:05 <AWK> ack k
15:51:22 <BBailey> Discuss proposed response to commenter.
15:51:28 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
15:53:56 <BBailey> RESOLUTION:  Accept response as amended.
15:55:02 <AWK> Zakim, take up next item
15:55:02 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue techniques review https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/" taken up [from AWK]
15:55:46 <BBailey> TOPIC:  1. [Start here on 22nd Oct] Update of using role=heading
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15:58:02 <David_MacD_Lenovo> q+
15:58:36 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:58:36 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
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15:58:55 <BBailey> Discuss phrasing.
15:59:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:59:31 <Joshue> zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:59:31 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
16:01:51 <David_MacD_Lenovo> AWK	https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results
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16:02:31 <David_MacD_Lenovo> AWK	https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Techsreview15thOct2013/results
16:03:07 <David_MacD_Lenovo> q+
16:03:22 <BBailey> Discuss what happens when no ARIA level specified.
16:04:43 <Joshue108> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:04:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper, Kathleen_Anderson, Bruce_Bailey (muted), Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Joshue
16:06:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:57 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:06:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108
16:07:24 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:07:32 <Joshue108> zakim, who is noisy?
16:07:44 <Zakim> Joshue108, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Marc_Johlic (4%), Joshue (4%), Andrew_Kirkpatrick (80%)
16:11:27 <Joshue108> +q
16:11:37 <Joshue108> ack David
16:12:27 <Joshue108> -q
16:12:47 <Joshue108> +q to say that maybe some verbiage saying Example 2 illustrates an edge case of some sort
16:13:11 <AWK> Zakim, queue?
16:13:11 <Zakim> I see Joshue on the speaker queue
16:13:14 <AWK> ack j
16:13:14 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say that maybe some verbiage saying Example 2 illustrates an edge case of some sort
16:13:21 <BBailey> Discuss best way to address examples which are not best practices
16:19:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:20:05 <kerstin> hi
16:20:18 <kerstin> zakim, ipcaller is me
16:20:18 <Zakim> +kerstin; got it
16:20:24 <kerstin> zakim, mute me
16:20:24 <Zakim> kerstin should now be muted
16:21:19 <BBailey> Some testing w/ screen readers
16:23:08 <BBailey> Discuss, looking for good model use case of leaving out specific ARIA level
16:23:28 <BBailey> Suggestion that syndication is a good use case
16:24:53 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_role%3Dheading_to_identify_headings#Example_1
16:24:55 <AWK> Zakim, queue?
16:24:55 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:26:19 <Joshue108> I've updated the example  http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_role%3Dheading_to_identify_headings#Example_1
16:26:33 <AWK> "Often, heading elements will be referenced with the aria-labelledby attribute of the section for which they serve as a heading"
16:27:54 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#kbd_layout_nesting
16:28:01 <Joshue108> Ok, updated again
16:28:24 <jamesn> 3.2.7.3.1. Header Levels Versus Nesting Levels
16:28:37 <BBailey> s/Ok, updated again/
16:30:22 <BBailey> Josh update example to use sydication
16:32:05 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:32:19 <BBailey> RESOLUTION:  Accept response as amended.
16:32:49 <Joshue108> done
16:33:14 <AWK> ISSUE: Group needs to decide on right level of user agent support for the notes on individual techniques.
16:33:14 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-14 - Group needs to decide on right level of user agent support for the notes on individual techniques..  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/issues/14/edit>.
16:33:39 <BBailey> zakim, unmute me
16:33:39 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
16:33:42 <Joshue108> done
16:33:48 <BBailey> s/done/
16:34:55 <BBailey> Note that time zones are changing, might be back in sync next week
16:35:56 <Joshue108> rrsagent, make minutes
16:35:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108
16:36:11 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
16:36:13 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:36:15 <Zakim> -Kathleen_Anderson
16:36:17 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:36:18 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
16:36:19 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
16:36:19 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:36:23 <Zakim> -kerstin
16:36:24 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has ended
16:36:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Michael_Cooper, Kathleen_Anderson, Bruce_Bailey, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Joshue, kerstin
16:37:33 <AWK> Note: We stopped on the Oct 15 survey after finishing the first item.  We need to address #s 2, 3, 5, and 7
16:37:42 <AWK> rrsagent, make minutes
16:37:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
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