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16:53:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
16:53:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
16:53:26 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:53:26 <trackbot> Date: 24 October 2013
16:54:56 <kford> agenda+ finish survey
16:54:57 <kford> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20131016/
16:54:59 <kford> Agenda+ vote to go to last call with a resolution
16:55:16 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
16:55:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-ua-minutes.html kford
16:57:52 <Greg> Greg has joined #ua
16:58:38 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
16:58:39 <Zakim> +Jeanne
16:59:55 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
16:59:57 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:59:57 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:00:07 <kford> zakim, microsoft is kford
17:00:07 <Zakim> +kford; got it
17:00:35 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney
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17:03:44 <allanj> zakim, agenda?
17:03:44 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
17:03:45 <Zakim> 1. finish survey [from kford]
17:03:45 <Zakim> 2. vote to go to last call with a resolution [from kford]
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17:04:53 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
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17:05:37 <Jan1> zakim, code?
17:05:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan1
17:05:42 <allanj> zakim, open item 1
17:05:42 <Zakim> agendum 1. "finish survey" taken up [from kford]
17:05:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:06:00 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20131001/results
17:06:10 <Jan1> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
17:06:10 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
17:07:21 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20131016/
17:07:33 <allanj> regrets: eric
17:07:57 <allanj> scribe: allanj
17:08:37 <allanj> js: notes at beginning, question 1. there are 2 other locations where we start Guidelines with notes.
17:08:51 <allanj> ... can I leave them for purposes of LC
17:09:09 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/UAAG20/
17:09:30 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/UAAG20/#principle-operable
17:09:53 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/UAAG20/#principle-AT-access
17:11:04 <allanj> jr: +1
17:11:31 <allanj> Resolution: leave notes at beginnings of Guidelines as needed
17:12:30 <jeanne> topic: 1.8.9 including Reflow?
17:13:44 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/UAAG20/#gl-viewport-orient
17:14:34 <jeanne> 1.8.9 Allow Viewport Resize:
17:14:34 <jeanne> The user can resize viewports within restrictions imposed by the platform, overriding any values specified by the author. (Level AA)
17:15:41 <allanj> js: add 'if the user has reflowed to 1 column (1.8.7) and resize viewport, then you don't loose the reflow.
17:16:32 <allanj> ... how frustrating, if everytime you resize the viewport, the browser resets the reflow.
17:16:47 <allanj> ja: done see UA doing this now
17:17:03 <kford> I am back, sorry for the delay
17:17:16 <allanj> jr: agree with greg its already covered.
17:17:51 <allanj> gl: no problem with a note on 1.8.9. rather have note, than making the SC longer
17:18:14 <allanj> ... more important to maintain point of regard.
17:18:43 <allanj> gl: craft a note that covers important things that need to be retained.
17:18:58 <jeanne> Note: If the user has used features in 1.8.7 to reflow the viewport to one column, and the user resizes the viewport, the reflowed page has one column and maintains the original point of regard (x.x.x)
17:19:26 <allanj> ja: maintain PoR on reflow, and scale text, and resize viewport
17:20:03 <allanj> gl: reflow should happen on any viewport resize, not just the One Column
17:20:16 <jeanne> 1.8.6 is Maintain point of regard
17:22:24 <jeanne> Note: When the user resizes the viewport, prior user selections are respected.
17:22:56 <allanj> ja: do we need a top level comment, that combinations of SCs still need to be met
17:23:14 <allanj> gl: perhaps under conformance applicability notes
17:23:59 <allanj> kp: use note that JS just wrote with expanded e.g.
17:25:34 <jeanne> Note: When the user resizes the viewport, prior user selections are respected (e.g if the user chose to display the content in one column, when the viewport is resized, the content is still displayed in one column, the font customizations are maintained and the point of regard is maintained. )
17:25:56 <jeanne> UAAG 2.0 Guidelines
17:25:56 <jeanne> The success criteria and applicability notes are normative. Guideline summaries are informative.
17:26:57 <allanj> gl: what about other Notes?
17:27:12 <allanj> js: remove the word "applicability"
17:27:33 <jeanne> The success criteria, their notes, and applicability notes are normative. Guideline summaries are informative.
17:27:43 <allanj> gl: we have notes and applicability notes, note sure of the distinction
17:27:54 <allanj> gl: should call them both out as normative
17:28:21 <allanj> ... applicability note are only in one place in the doc.
17:28:48 <Jan1> The success criteria and applicability notes are normative. Guideline summaries are informative. --> The success criteria and conformance applicability notes are normative. Guideline summaries are informative.
17:29:20 <allanj> all discussion of Notes and normativeness
17:30:33 <allanj> jr: in this section only Guideline summaries are informative
17:31:03 <jeanne> The guidelines, success criteria, their notes, and the conformance applicability notes are normative
17:31:05 <allanj> gl: not sure what This Section means. not visually distinguishable
17:31:28 <Jan1> +1 to Jeanne's
17:31:41 <allanj> +1 to jeanne;s
17:31:51 <KimPatch> +1 to Jeanne's
17:32:19 <allanj> jr: nothing in implementing guide is normative
17:33:22 <jeanne> The guidelines, success criteria, their notes, and the conformance applicability notes are normative. Guideline summaries are informative.
17:34:03 <allanj> above is only in guidelines and not in implementing docs
17:36:11 <allanj> jr: statement: SC are not mutually exclusive.
17:36:26 <allanj> jr: statement: SC are not mutually exclusive.
17:36:53 <allanj> the ua should respect other settings
17:37:29 <allanj> gl: the UA should comply with the SCs at the same time, unless they are mutually exclusive.
17:39:06 <allanj> ja: do other guideline documents state this general assumption?
17:39:17 <Greg> Under Conformance Applicability Notes, something like 4. Users should have access to all behaviors required by this document at the same time, except where those behaviors are mutually exclusive.
17:41:01 <jeanne> 4. Users can access all behaviors required by this document at the same time, except where those behaviors are mutually exclusive.
17:41:50 <allanj> e.g. When the user resizes the viewport, prior user selections are respected (e.g if the user chose to display the content in one column(1.8.7), when the viewport is resized (1.8.9), the content is still displayed in one column, the font customizations(1.4.1-6) are maintained and the point of regard is maintained.  (1.8.6)
17:43:00 <Greg> (e.g. when the user resizes the viewport per 1.8.9, content is reflowed per 1.8.6)
17:45:01 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/UAAG20/#intro-conf-levels
17:46:45 <jeanne> Users can access all behaviors required by this document at the same time (e.g. when the user resizes the viewport per 1.8.9, content is reflowed per 1.8.6), except where those behaviors are mutually exclusive.
17:48:38 <allanj> kf: link to RFC2119
17:49:56 <allanj> kf: 2 and 4 in conformance applicability note...this document, should say UAAG20,
17:50:01 <allanj> js: agree
17:50:23 <Jan1> What do we think of adding stems for the conformance applicability notes, like ATAG2...
17:50:24 <Jan1> Recognized content only:
17:50:26 <Jan1> Oprional preference settings:
17:50:27 <Jan1> RFC 2119 language not used:
17:50:29 <Jan1> Simultaneous satisfaction of success criteria:
17:52:29 <allanj> Optional settings
17:55:21 <allanj> issue: add something in implementing document, about Simultaneous satisfaction of success criteria
17:55:21 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-98 - Add something in implementing document, about simultaneous satisfaction of success criteria.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/98/edit>.
17:58:47 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/UAAG20/#gl-text-config
18:00:45 <Greg> I was just questioning on whether "global" and "element type" should be emphasis (italics) instead of strong (bold) in "Note 1: Success criteria 1.4.1, 1.4.3, and 1.4.6 address configuration at a global level, that is, it changes all of the text. Success criteria 1.4.2 and 1.4.5 are at an element type level, such as configuring just the heading text.", because we elsewhere use bold only for...
18:00:46 <Greg> ...titles/stems.
18:02:00 <allanj> polling group: any issues, blocks, etc. for going to Last Call
18:02:36 <allanj> Topic: vote on last call
18:02:52 <allanj> 6 week comment time
18:04:36 <Greg> The link "Implementing 2.11.6" is *before* 2.11.6 rather than after it.
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18:04:49 <allanj> assuming publishing Nov 4, 6 weeks is Dec. 8
18:05:02 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:05:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-ua-minutes.html allanj
18:05:10 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
18:07:55 <Greg> Appendix D has one list with bullets, two without.
18:12:44 <Greg> Under References, the dt for [UAAG10] is marked with <strong>.
18:16:38 <Jan1> 3.3.2 Describe Accessibility Features.. a,b,c list each strong needs...class="handle"
18:18:09 <allanj> 1.6.4 & 5  is AA, it is in the AAA section, should be in AA section, need renumbering
18:20:55 <Greg> 1.1.6 there's a space before the anchor tag.
18:20:58 <jeanne> 1.6.1, 1.6.2 & 1.6.3 share an IER, which messes up the numbering.
18:23:20 <allanj>     Fastest Search :: Add-ons for Firefox - Mozilla Add-ons
18:23:21 <allanj>     https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/fastest-search/‎
18:25:30 <jeanne> Jeanne pinged Shawn in IRC to look at the change to the Applicability Notes as a solution to 1.8.9 adding reflow.  She agreed to our change.
18:26:52 <jeanne> +1 for publishing Last Call
18:26:58 <allanj> Topic: vote for last call
18:27:07 <allanj> +1 for last call
18:27:11 <Jan1> +1 for publishing Lasdt call
18:27:13 <Greg> +1 for publishing Last Call
18:27:20 <jeanne> +1 for publishing Last Call
18:27:40 <allanj> eric: +1 for last call
18:27:44 <kford> +1 for last call
18:27:48 <KimPatch> +1
18:28:10 <KimPatch> +1 for publishing Lasdt call
18:28:32 <jeanne> s/Lasdt/Last
18:28:37 <allanj> resolution: UAWG going to last call (UAAG20) with 6 week review period.
18:29:11 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:29:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-ua-minutes.html allanj
18:31:36 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
18:31:39 <Zakim> -Jan
18:31:52 <allanj> zakim, please part
18:31:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Jeanne, kford, Greg_Lowney, Jim_Allan, Kim_Patch, Jan
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18:31:58 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
18:31:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-ua-minutes.html allanj
18:32:14 <allanj> rrsagent, please part
18:32:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items